Even after 47 years, how prepared we are to face China??

Interesting Article!!!!! I disagree

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An eye-opening article from Bharat Verma, Editor Indian Defence Review. (India’s best known military publication)

China will launch an attack on India before 2012.

There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century. The recession that shut the Chinese exports shop is creating an unprecedented internal social unrest. In turn, the vice-like grip of the communists over the society stands severely threatened.

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/2009/08/unmasking-china.html

Dear Members,
It is an interesting article to read. The article is very well written and covers most aspects of strategy. I however disagree with the author on some issues, including the capabilities he gives to China vs. India.
In my earlier post, I have already discussed the tactical advantage that we have over China on the battlefield Tibet. Coupled with that we need to assess certain other issues. But before I even start, remember, I am not a full time journalist while the author is.
The first point I disagree with the author is describing India as a soft target. While India may have its own internal problems, it is definitely not a soft target, and if that be true, all other calculations that the author has made deserve a strict scanner. While, India may have Pakistani infiltrators/supporters/ anti Indian elements as you may call them, within India, in Tibet China faces the similar problem in Tibet. So while fighting with India, China also has to keep a sizable force committed to maintain her lines of communication from mainland to the battle zone.
The second point I want to bring out is the population issue. China is now suffering from her policy of one child. The Indian population is much younger than aging Chinese population and hence the replacement in the fighting ranks in a prolonged war. With India holding second strike capabilities, I don’t visualize a nuclear war between two thickly populated countries, for it will also destroy the most lucrative market for world economies. Hence the diplomatic pressures on both countries to prevent an all out war. In such a scenario, the only war that I perceive is the proxy war which in any case China is supporting for ages in our NE region.
The third point I want to raise is the possibility of a third front. Mr. Obama is President till 2012. With his Pakistan policy, it is unlikely that China can think of creating two front war with India. While nothing can be said for sure in case of unstable country like Pakistan, but chances of they joining the war are remote in current situation. The situation is less likely to be more conducive for China by 2012.
There can be more issues those can be discussed at micro level, but as I said that I am not a full time journalist, hence the time constraint. Any article on the issue of Indian Defense makes a good selling commodity because of the subject itself.
Indian military is not all clean though. I was reading an article about the dissent between the army commanders and the chief on the promotion policy changes that the chief has made. That is not a good sign. Apart from that the rampant corruption in the subjects related to defense forces needs to be addressed sooner than later. All the organizations, like MES, and other services needs to be overhauled. All the established contractors needs to be shown the door. The new contracts can be given to the organizations of retired military personnel (not the retired individuals) and I am sure they will work far better than the existing contractors, who have amassed immense wealth out of defense contracts and have the capability to buy many weak senior officers. They also have the power to influence the posting of good officers to the areas where their interests could be compromised. This is a separate subject and can be tackled on a different thread if needed. But for the article, I disagree with the authors perception.
 
mere bete jat bhi kasute ho s bera n kai baar kiski arr k samasyaa thaa ke baith jya ....... bakki maine lage s ebke n is thread me tod sa karke chhodenge is china ka ...kheench do meter sa iss china ka ;) ebke dekhange meri sasu ke iss china n :boxing
 
Bhai mere kisi aur ki samshya nahi apne Desh ki samasya hai ... aur Jat hamesa desh ki raksha ke liye jaan nyochawar kane mein der na lagate aur na hi dusri baar sochte hein !! Maadi baat kar di mere yaar !!

mere bete jat bhi kasute ho s bera n kai baar kiski arr k samasyaa thaa ke baith jya ....... bakki maine lage s ebke n is thread me tod sa karke chhodenge is china ka ...kheench do meter sa iss china ka ;) ebke dekhange meri sasu ke iss china n :boxing
 
Bhai mere kisi aur ki samshya nahi apne Desh ki samasya hai ... aur Jat hamesa desh ki raksha ke liye jaan nyochawar kane mein der na lagate aur na hi dusri baar sochte hein !! Maadi baat kar di mere yaar !!
pher aade kyu samasyaa me pad rahe so tem aawe jab de diyo jaan ..sochana to aapa n koi ni ;) maadi baat kitt kar di kaka m to kehan laag rya rr ke iss china ka meter sa kheench diyo chhodiyo na n , le lyo is JL par a haath gaal ke susrre n maddi massaah thaaya sa yo china is JL pe :boxing
 
Your post was full of sarcasm. That was least expected from fellow Jat on such a imp discussion !

You may refrain from posting if thread doesn't interest you. But don't make fun of it.

Thanks!


pher aade kyu samasyaa me pad rahe so tem aawe jab de diyo jaan ..sochana to aapa n koi ni ;) maadi baat kitt kar di kaka m to kehan laag rya rr ke iss china ka meter sa kheench diyo chhodiyo na n , le lyo is JL par a haath gaal ke susrre n maddi massaah thaaya sa yo china is JL pe :boxing
 
This is height, Wake up Govt !!

I was seriously annoyed to read today's Indian Express, that China 'strongly protests PM's visit to Arunachal Pardesh. Now this is height, China now will have problem if us roam around in our own country. Although Govt strongly condemned their baseless protest but I wonder isn't it a high time to show this Bloody China some serious lesson? No, I'm not saying we straightaway call for war and invade China but on diplomatic front Govt must take a stand and offensively tell them we won't take your $hit. I've been observing for long that Indian Govt taking China very lightly and ignoring it to be frank even though China is been continuously creating probs and spreading chaos around border areas.

Wake up govt and take strong stand and say in China's eyes that if you try to mess with us this time we'll show you what we're. China is still living in past and think will defeat India again but they don't know us, therefore time to punch them on the face !! :mad:

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Ten days after the event, China on Tuesday expressed "strong" dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Arunachal Pradesh during electioneering.

"We demand the Indian side address China's serious concerns and not trigger disturbance in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said.

"China is strongly dissatisfied with the visit to the disputed region by the Indian leader disregarding China's serious concerns," Mas said in a statement posted on the ministry's website.


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/china-strongly-protests-pms-visit-to-arunachal/528535/
 
Jit/Sumit
I agree.......
That is typical chinese strategy, they will pin prick you, test your patience, your mettle, then make a decision to go to war. Remember 1975 war of Sino-Vietnam war. chinese thought they were almighty compared to vietnamese and these chinese wanted to put vietnam in her place guess what happened, chinese lost more soldiers in that short war than US lost in entire conflict. What happened in 1967 Ussuri River skirmish with Russia, they taught chinese a lesson that chinese have not forgotten. In 1968, Chinese again tried something in Nathula sector where IA taught them a lesson in symmetrical warfare.
Chinese are very good student and learner, they have learned well from their poodle called Pakistan, they have seen how pakistan has wreaked havoc on India and all India has done is 'appeal to international community' make empty threats, lose initiative time and again. If this nation is perceived as such-- a weak coward, gutless, spineless, Lubricate and Bend Over why not take advantage of it, force them to spend more money on defence that in turn will make some Netas richer, people like Admiral Nanda a leecher and nothing tangible will be delivered, because every purchase can be witheld under the guise of corruption and CVC inquiry. Some of these anonymous complaints are lodged by Pakistani Intel agents in India to delay the modernization of Indian Military and the worst part of this ordeal is media and these Slime Ball Leaders of India fall for it everytime. Here are two examples of how bad things are, India was suppose to get complete design and manufacturing from Bofors for their guns production in India, guess what in the zeal of honesty, bruised egos, endless inquiries the agreement expired and IA is paying close to $100 for a titanium screw used in Bofors guns that could have been manufactured for .50 cents. Denel of SA agreed to setup production factory for G6 Howitzer 155mm 52 Cal gun in MP-not sure, again bogged down by some corruption hence we lost crucial technology in fuses used for ammunition. South Africans got so miffed at India they sold their missiles to Pakistanis just to stick it to us.
Chinese know it very well that India and her citizens, leaders, have no clue about Strategy but know tactics meaning, Indians are emotional people who are reactive not pro-active. Chinese have close to 10k heavy artillary pieces, how much India have no more than 400. Chinese have 700 CSS6-7 missiles adding approx 100 missiles per year, this is based on 2005 brief. How many missiles does India have that can strike military base in Tibet? We are still test firing Prithvi and Agnis, still going through Induction drill every time there is a new PM comes in, we haven't setup high production manufacturing facility for any of these missiles.

Chinese have CDS in place that is a point man advising Chinese Gov't on all military matters, who does this job in India, some Addl Secy from MOD.
Chinese have complete superiority in numbers on land, air and sea. Lets not forget pakis, they will do the bidding at the behest of chinese in case of war. Some of our supply lines will be blown, more accurate intel given to chinese about our forces movement. These Naxalites are hand in glove with Communists of India. CPI(m) during first tenure of Congress had law changed that prohibited foreign companies to install, operate and maintain communication equipment near border. Biggest enemy of India from inside are these communists. Heck even a terrorist like Naxalites can blow trains in India all Indian Gov't will do is, appeal to Naxalites to give up arms and talk. It sends a bad message and sets a bad precedence, it basically says if you want something from Gov't in India take up arms, blow few trains, kill some innocent people and Gov't will bow to you and offer you deal. Even though as a nation we want to move forward, we are shackled by our own beliefs, prejuidices, predisposition, and lack of direction. If we want this nation to be strong, our leadership must be ruthless, must annihilate anyone who is a threat to India's National Security by all means and tools available to state.
The basic concept of Strategy Tactics Technology Intelligence Alliance and Leadership (STTIAL) is missing in Indian Parlance. Even if most of the things are in synergy, Political leadership is the missing element. I will give an example of former PM of India called Inder Kumar Gujral, this guy was such an Idiot he cut off all funding to RAW operations in Pakistan and in the spirit of (Punjabi Bhaichara with Nawaz Sharrief) he compromised all our assets in pakistan. Those people who were our assets died a very painful death at the hands of ISI. Is it any wonder, we had kargil and increased terror attacks in Indian Heartland after the tenure of Gujral. The damage was so grave it will be decades before we will recover from that fiasco.
Bharat Verma is no fool, I think he is former navy captain. Buckman Fuller once said, for any radical or revolutionary event to happen all conditions must exist in complete harmony (para phrased). Conditions are becoming highly adversial for India its just a matter of time when it happens. if chinese attack India, pakistanis will take that as their cue and launch lunatics aka jihadis into India to harrass Indian Army and launch full frontal attack to severe kashmir all the time while we would be busy protecting our Arse on Eastern Border and don't forget Bangladesh, they will launch their own misadventure to take whatever land they can from Assam, Megahlya. However, there is only a small window of opportunity for China to annex Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim from India. That window will close by 2025 with condition that Indian Navy gets her nuke sub fleet operational fully armed, IAF raises her combat squadren level to 100, and Indian Army raises a Mountain Corps. India do have some allies and one of them may sound like a contradiction, Indian Allies are the lunatics belong to TTP and some other nations like Vietnam, Taiwan, Phillipines, Indonesia, some African nations like Nigeria, Niger, and of course Brazil.
 
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Here is link to a powerful movie about a fallen soldier, it is a true story of a US Marine. It is not over romanticizing the fallen, or some fetish with military but a difference how military is treated or a fallen soldier is treated in US compared to India. The whole idea behind this movie is that there is a human face behind every fallen comrade, not some bollywood or hollywood movie that is full of jingoism of unrealistic machoism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qMHHsl0nt0
 
Jit/Sumit
I agree.......
That is typical chinese strategy, they will pin prick you, test your patience, your mettle, then make a decision to go to war. Remember 1975 war of Sino-Vietnam war. chinese thought they were almighty compared to vietnamese and these chinese wanted to put vietnam in her place guess what happened, chinese lost more soldiers in that short war than US lost in entire conflict. What happened in 1967 Ussuri River skirmish with Russia, they taught chinese a lesson that chinese have not forgotten. In 1968, Chinese again tried something in Nathula sector where IA taught them a lesson in symmetrical warfare.
Chinese are very good student and learner, they have learned well from their poodle called Pakistan, they have seen how pakistan has wreaked havoc on India and all India has done is 'appeal to international community' make empty threats, lose initiative time and again. If this nation is perceived as such-- a weak coward, gutless, spineless, Lubricate and Bend Over why not take advantage of it, force them to spend more money on defence that in turn will make some Netas richer, people like Admiral Nanda a leecher and nothing tangible will be delivered, because every purchase can be witheld under the guise of corruption and CVC inquiry. Some of these anonymous complaints are lodged by Pakistani Intel agents in India to delay the modernization of Indian Military and the worst part of this ordeal is media and these Slime Ball Leaders of India fall for it everytime. Here are two examples of how bad things are, India was suppose to get complete design and manufacturing from Bofors for their guns production in India, guess what in the zeal of honesty, bruised egos, endless inquiries the agreement expired and IA is paying close to $100 for a titanium screw used in Bofors guns that could have been manufactured for .50 cents. Denel of SA agreed to setup production factory for G6 Howitzer 155mm 52 Cal gun in MP-not sure, again bogged down by some corruption hence we lost crucial technology in fuses used for ammunition. South Africans got so miffed at India they sold their missiles to Pakistanis just to stick it to us.
Chinese know it very well that India and her citizens, leaders, have no clue about Strategy but know tactics meaning, Indians are emotional people who are reactive not pro-active. Chinese have close to 10k heavy artillary pieces, how much India have no more than 400. Chinese have 700 CSS6-7 missiles adding approx 100 missiles per year, this is based on 2005 brief. How many missiles does India have that can strike military base in Tibet? We are still test firing Prithvi and Agnis, still going through Induction drill every time there is a new PM comes in, we haven't setup high production manufacturing facility for any of these missiles.

Chinese have CDS in place that is a point man advising Chinese Gov't on all military matters, who does this job in India, some Addl Secy from MOD.
Chinese have complete superiority in numbers on land, air and sea. Lets not forget pakis, they will do the bidding at the behest of chinese in case of war. Some of our supply lines will be blown, more accurate intel given to chinese about our forces movement. These Naxalites are hand in glove with Communists of India. CPI(m) during first tenure of Congress had law changed that prohibited foreign companies to install, operate and maintain communication equipment near border. Biggest enemy of India from inside are these communists. Heck even a terrorist like Naxalites can blow trains in India all Indian Gov't will do is, appeal to Naxalites to give up arms and talk. It sends a bad message and sets a bad precedence, it basically says if you want something from Gov't in India take up arms, blow few trains, kill some innocent people and Gov't will bow to you and offer you deal. Even though as a nation we want to move forward, we are shackled by our own beliefs, prejuidices, predisposition, and lack of direction. If we want this nation to be strong, our leadership must be ruthless, must annihilate anyone who is a threat to India's National Security by all means and tools available to state.
The basic concept of Strategy Tactics Technology Intelligence Alliance and Leadership (STTIAL) is missing in Indian Parlance. Even if most of the things are in synergy, Political leadership is the missing element. I will give an example of former PM of India called Inder Kumar Gujral, this guy was such an Idiot he cut off all funding to RAW operations in Pakistan and in the spirit of (Punjabi Bhaichara with Nawaz Sharrief) he compromised all our assets in pakistan. Those people who were our assets died a very painful death at the hands of ISI. Is it any wonder, we had kargil and increased terror attacks in Indian Heartland after the tenure of Gujral. The damage was so grave it will be decades before we will recover from that fiasco.
Bharat Verma is no fool, I think he is former navy captain. Buckman Fuller once said, for any radical or revolutionary event to happen all conditions must exist in complete harmony (para phrased). Conditions are becoming highly adversial for India its just a matter of time when it happens. if chinese attack India, pakistanis will take that as their cue and launch lunatics aka jihadis into India to harrass Indian Army and launch full frontal attack to severe kashmir all the time while we would be busy protecting our Arse on Eastern Border and don't forget Bangladesh, they will launch their own misadventure to take whatever land they can from Assam, Megahlya. However, there is only a small window of opportunity for China to annex Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim from India. That window will close by 2025 with condition that Indian Navy gets her nuke sub fleet operational fully armed, IAF raises her combat squadren level to 100, and Indian Army raises a Mountain Corps. India do have some allies and one of them may sound like a contradiction, Indian Allies are the lunatics belong to TTP and some other nations like Vietnam, Taiwan, Phillipines, Indonesia, some African nations like Nigeria, Niger, and of course Brazil.


I endorse each and every words you have written. Our elected leaders , bought over media and foreign assistend NGOs are our worst enemies.

RK^2
 
I was seriously annoyed to read today's Indian Express, that China 'strongly protests PM's visit to Arunachal Pardesh. Now this is height, China now will have problem if us roam around in our own country. Although Govt strongly condemned their baseless protest but I wonder isn't it a high time to show this Bloody China some serious lesson? No, I'm not saying we straightaway call for war and invade China but on diplomatic front Govt must take a stand and offensively tell them we won't take your $hit. I've been observing for long that Indian Govt taking China very lightly and ignoring it to be frank even though China is been continuously creating probs and spreading chaos around border areas.

Wake up govt and take strong stand and say in China's eyes that if you try to mess with us this time we'll show you what we're. China is still living in past and think will defeat India again but they don't know us, therefore time to punch them on the face !! :mad:

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Ten days after the event, China on Tuesday expressed "strong" dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Arunachal Pradesh during electioneering.

"We demand the Indian side address China's serious concerns and not trigger disturbance in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said.

"China is strongly dissatisfied with the visit to the disputed region by the Indian leader disregarding China's serious concerns," Mas said in a statement posted on the ministry's website.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/china-strongly-protests-pms-visit-to-arunachal/528535/

In a similar news China has objected funds(60 Million USD) for Arunachal Pradesh from Asian Development Bank.

http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/china_objected_to_funds_for_arunachal_govt.php
 
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At last, Strong and appropriate punch on the face of Arrogant China. Appreciate that!
This is called counter attack or Nehle pe Dehla !! ..




India asks China to stay out of PoK
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A day after India and China sparred aggressively over the ownership status of Arunachal Pradesh, India said that China must cease activities in Pak-Occupied Kashmir.

In a response to a question on Pakistan- China projects in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (POK), the official spokesperson of the government said: “We have seen the Xinhua report quoting the President of China as stating that China will continue to engage in projects with Pakistan inside Pakistan Occupied Kashmir."

"Pakistan has been in illegal occupation of parts of the Indian State of Jammu & Kashmir since 1947. The Chinese side is fully aware of India's position and our concerns about Chinese activities in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir."

"We hope that the Chinese side will take a long term view of the India-China relations, and cease such activities in areas illegally occupied by Pakistan.”


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india-asks-china-to-stay-out-of-pok/528972/
 
Khalkande sahib
Just to give you an idea about NGO, some of them have strayed from their noble cause and have become a conduit of money laundering. I know of some NGO's whose origins and work area are suspect. Any NGO working in border area, near military bases where our strike corps are based must be thoroughly under watchful eyes. There was one NGO few years ago as reported by media,was doing blood testing for malaria medicine, guess what under the guise of that their masters or handlers were able to map out the genetic makeup of Indian Blood lines and one of their conclusion was Indian Bloodline are most heterogenous on this planet. Any mutation is unique. On the other hand it provides a treasure trove of data for research and development of new medications, drugs. However the dark side of this is, this data is available to our enemies too. Pakistani Intelligence is becoming an expert in using extremly low level tactics to gather most accurate intel on India that includes infrastructure progress, road maps, transportation maps, war time logistic supply chain, capital flow, supply chain, manufacturing hubs, factory to battlefield logistics etc. There is a reason they are always able to blunt our surprise. Just to give you an idea the problem of fake currency in India is courtsey of group of babus in Indian Mint Dept they sold those plates for their personal gain. We as a nation has approx $40-50 Billion worth of fake currency, going by the past record of Indian Leadership they will legalize that fake currency, pakistanis will win that economic war, finance terrorism against this nation with wealth of this nation.
There are few officers in Indian Intel and Law Enforcement who have given up their family life, friends basically everything to fight this menace everyday but as I said before, Indian leadership is sleeping on the wheel just like always.
 
Good News

Air Chief Marshal says there is good news..
2022 tak IAF ko utne planes mil jaenge jitnon ki unko jaroorat hai..
Good News or Joke
 
Fine. However, more important is if attacked by Chinese, are we in a position to defend ourselves and repulse them?

RK^2



APNE ALE T AAAJ TAK 4/5 UGARVADI KA BERA NAHI PAD SAKE KI YE BOMB BHATKAVENGEEE ---CHINA N KIME KAR DIYA T MANMOHAN SOO JA GA ........BERA NA YE LOG MANTRI BANE PACHE KARYA K KAREN NUE NAHI KI KAL N KIME ROLA RABDA HOJA T HATHIYAR T PURE HONE CHAHIYEE

YE BHI RAM BHAROSE CHAL RE H DEKHI JAGII JO HOGA
:rock:rock
 
Advance Jet Trainers which India planed to purchase from UK in 1983 are still to arrive.. r those still advance..

to kya IAF mission 2022 complete kar paega..
 
Advance Jet Trainers which India planed to purchase from UK in 1983 are still to arrive.. r those still advance..

to kya IAF mission 2022 complete kar paega..
Yes Anurag
They are still far better than anything else available. Advance Jet Trainer has more to do with proverbial content not aesthetics i,e how to operate modern supersonic fly by wire aircraft with modern avionics. It is to train young guns to develop skills necessary to operate planes like SU30, Jaguar, Mirage.
 
Karan Sir,

Billions of problems are in indian system ( Be it Politics , be it armed forces , be it media and so forth).On my own charge, being a civilian how I can chip in positively against any of desctructive action play by china.



 
Karan Sir,
Billions of problems are in indian system ( Be it Politics , be it armed forces , be it media and so forth).On my own charge, being a civilian how I can chip in positively against any of desctructive action play by china.
Sandeep
There could be billions of problems in India like politics but yet it is far better system than what chinese have. Armed forces may be lacking alot of equipment and ammunition but their tactics are far superior than chinese. Give you an example, regardless of what any strategic pundit says, chinese SSBN's have never left shore for power projection or patrol. They may say they have Han class Nuke Sub but how do we know if their Nuke reactor is working at even half capacity because if it was chinese would be flaunting their prowess all over the world.
Our Arihant may be late by decades but our reactor is solid, design is better than even Russians whose reactors are notorious for leaking radiation. If everything works fine, Arihant might be the silver bullet that will thwart the plans of Chinese Navy. Our Navy has more experience in operating Air Craft Carrier, Chinese have long way to learn how to operate one and developing tactics takes even longer. Our Naval Research Lab has done marvelous job in designing Sonar's, Fire Control System, Under Sea Communication system, Torpedoes, and designing ships. Project 17 ships are class above what Chinese or pakistanis will produce in next 10 yrs.
Air Force may have reduced squadron strength but we compensate that with Phalcon Air borne Radar System. Just to give an idea, I think it can scan 450 miles radius at 40k feet altitude. In tactical terms it can be flying inside our border yet look deep into Chinese territory.
Now in Army, our Achilles heel are, Heavy Artillery Guns, Main Battle Tank, 4th Gen NVG, etc beside lack of ammunition manufacturing and storage. Latter is not much of Army's fault it is Communist Driven Trade Unions who don't want to work but collect paycheck at Ordinance Factories.
Our major problem is leadership that is driven by emotion and nostalgia. we had some idiots who became PM first one is IK Gujral and other is current PM MMS. They both are/were struck by Pakis hospitality bug, they were born in pakistan and very nostalgic about their childhood. Hence time and again we take two steps forward and ten steps backward against pakis. It is very demoralizing to most people especially to Intel services and troops who are protecting borders, they keep getting conflicting orders, they sometime don't know if they should shoot the pakis or hug them.
Finally, we have our freedom something no chinese enjoy. Any citizen of this nation can travel or live in any part of the country (Don't bring kashmir fiasco here) not so much in China. You need travel documents and basically visa to travel within china. If you really want to know how chinese who live in India feel there are few Chinese chefs at Taj Hotel they have used all kinds of excuses to stay here in India instead of going back to china because of the freedom they enjoy here.
 
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My dear karan, tactics of all the Defence forces is known to each other & practically is same. But what really makes difference is:-

It is not the weapon but the man behind the weapon wins the battle. our man is much batter but our National management is weak, selfish & our public is divided & not security minded, also we donot have national character donot exists.
 
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