Ganguly Back on Top: Right or Wrong???

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Saurav Ganguly is back as the team Captain it is a reality. There is no doubt about his ability of leading the team as compared to others present or tested so far. Tendulkar was a failure while Dravid as a stand by captain as well has as a full time skipper has done nothing outstanding. Ganguly has been lucky to have some of the most talented players in the side while he has been the skipper. Imagine the lot that Kapildev lead to world cup victory ini 1983, they were all good players but I would say probably not as talented as the current lot is suppose to be or atleast considered to be. Consider the pace attack of Kapil's Devil as they called them: Madanlal (medium pace) Roger Binny (medium pace) Abid Ali (medium pace: I don't know if he was in the team) and Mohinder Amarnath (Probably Kumble bowls faster than him) as against Zaheer Khan, Srinath, Venketeshawar Prasad, Ashish Nehra, Irfan Pathan, Balaji, Amit Bhandari and list is long, probably each one of them faster than any one of the past years. Kapil also did not have any reserves of the noticable fast bowlers, where as we have a pretty strong second string of fast bowlers in the country today. On the batting front, Ganguly himself, Tendulkar, Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman further supported by Kaif and Yuvraj, are suppose to be more talented, than Srikant, Mohinder, Yashpal Sharma and Kirti Azad. On the spin front, Kumble and Harbhajan are suppose to be more talented than, Shastri, Doshi and Shivlal Yadav.

The question here is whether Ganguly is the best ever Captain as the records show or he is just Bad among the wrost available?

I personally feel, that appointing Dravid as a full time captain in itself probably was a mistake as we had already seen his performance as a stand by captain in the past. Vice Captain almost four years and yet you falter under pressure or comfort yourself that we ran close does not make sense to me. Now appointing some one who may not find the place in team itself is again a questionable decision. We need to groom some one for 2007 and earlier we do better it is. I am not sure, with current form and age factor, Ganguly would be there in 2007 or not.

To come to the point, let us discuss, whether we should appoint captain first and then pick up playing members of first we should pick up the team and find the best person among them to lead them. Both have plus and minus points. Example of Mike Brearly of England stands out, who did badly as a batsman but did extremely wonderful job as a skipper. But then he was the professor of psychology which every other captain is not.
 
Do we have any other options?

No..we don't...

Let them try him for Zim tour...Ofcourse he'll win the test series...It'll be interesting to see how they play with NZL...I hope they win against them. If Dada fails to deliver in this tour, show him the way out and let Tendulkar lead the indian team again. Last time when he led the team was 5 years back. I think he's much more matured now and should try to take more responsibility. Let him lead from the front. Try him for a series and see results. I think he can do it this time.
 
I strongly feel that he doesnt even deserve this chance.. of what use is his argession when it fails to deliver any results..

TO say he is more agressive than dravid ..cos he can remove his shirt and unfurl it if india wins.. where as dravid wont show any such sign ...

Dravid is a good thinker of the game as well.. he shuld haev got this chance to lead in this series as well..

Unless ganguly gets back his form with bat he shuldnt have any place in the team .. as he wont lead from the front and will eat up necessary balls..and also will be like an albatorss around the neck of indian team..

Yes Sachin wuld be a grt choice too :)
 
That Would be a Step In Reverse Direction

I don't think getting Sachin back would be a good idea. I guess Sehwag commands a lot of respect from the team members and could be groomed for the job, but he has to be consistant with his batting and has to improve his fielding. Depending upon who can perform better under pressure, between Sehwag, Yuvraj and Kaif, we can groom the future skipper. When South Africa can go for a young player as Captain why can't we do that. We did that when Pataudi became the captain at age 21 while so many senior players were present in the team. Whoever we pick up has to perform first as a player.
 
Yes thats exactly what they shuld do . But yes u r right that it will eb tough to handover the captaincy to one of these unless they themselves are consistent.
 
raj2rif said:
I don't think getting Sachin back would be a good idea. I guess Sehwag commands a lot of respect from the team members and could be groomed for the job, but he has to be consistant with his batting and has to improve his fielding. Depending upon who can perform better under pressure, between Sehwag, Yuvraj and Kaif, we can groom the future skipper. When South Africa can go for a young player as Captain why can't we do that. We did that when Pataudi became the captain at age 21 while so many senior players were present in the team. Whoever we pick up has to perform first as a player.
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Yes getting sachin back as a captain really would not be a good idea. But I think sehwag also might not be a good captain becoz many time he show is bachpana during the game by trying to hit every boll for the four and six as he did in the final of Indian Oil cup series, which is not a good strategy............ So to become the captain of team India he must need to minimize this habit.
 
At this point, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Kaif are not one of the best choices. Sehwag has played quite a lot of cricket, both tests and ODIs, but others are normally playing ODIs. A captain should fit in both positions otherwise we'll have to follow England ways. Hence, in Indian scenario, for the time being, Yuvraj and Kaif gets disqualified. They need to play more tests and show their potential towards captaincy. Sehwag won't be a good choice. Currently he is at a juncture where he can tame any opposition. A burden of captaincy will affect his batting performance like it affected Sachin. Moreover, as Mukesh mentioned, sometimes he plays some vague shots to throw his wicket...can be bad signs for a captain.


My suggestions are: try Ganguly for this series and then try Sachin. If both options won't work, we don't have any other options but Sehwag.
 
Why Not New

Yuvraj and Kaif have been leading their State Sides for some time now. So I guess is the case with Sehwag. Some player's batting get affected by additional burden of being Captain. Azharuddin and Kapil did fairly well with bat as a Captain so was the case with Gavaskar. So, to say that Sehwag's batting will get affected may not be the right statement unless we try him out. Yuvraj and Kaif have not got chance to play much test Cricket not because that they don't have the talent, but because we don't want to rotate the old players as Australians do. May be we chose Sehwag for Test and Yuvraj/Kaif for one day and see who does better. After two series we name only one as Captain for both versions of the game.

But at this point if Ganguly can come out with some runs consistently then probably he would continue for some time as we are pretty shy at trying new things. Further, Sehwag has made no secret of leading the nation. The selectors should also make no secret of telling him to be more consistant and responsible and I think that is just fair enough. I personally feel, Yuvraj and Kaif have got a little raw deal as far as test cricket is concerned.

New faces knocking at the door of both type of games may also have Captain's material. I remember at least two occassions, when a player was picked up for the first time for the national side and was named Captain. Tony Lewis of England's Team touring India in 1973 was one occassion and I guess Kim Hudges of Australia was the second one. Why can't we try such thing, where we pick up the best 16 and then name captain and he may be the junior most player as far as experience or age is concerned so long he has the leadership qualities. This will also give some piece of mind to the established players that there is no free lunch.
 
It's an intriguing discussion. In my opinion Sehwag maybe apt choice for one-day captainship at this point -- to help groom him to lead in future.

Ganguly is a dubious choice as a player, OK choice as a captain. I like Ganguly's spirit (unfortunately he doesn't have most other dimensions) so let's hope he's able to use that to energize Indian team in Zimbabwe.
 
Show him the way out!!

mukesh_kumar007 said:
But He disappointed again. only score 5 runs and caught out by bond.
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I don't know how many times I've mentioned that throw this Ganguly out till he performs well in domestic cricket...he's such an in-disciplined captain. I don't want to mention here how he got this tag but u must have read previous days newspapers. Thing is that he took this series very casually and ab yahi uss par bhari padney wali hai. Aur, btw, he shouldn't be there only for captaincy. kyon? woh ke baraat mein aa raha hai kya...

For others, who didn't bat well today, it's a typical Indian trend...aaya Ram -gya Ram..

I would praise Pathan, Nehra for their opening spells. Why Agarkar is back??? Yadav bowled well and he's batting pretty well. Atleast he and Pathan made India reach 3 figures.

Bottom line is if we are to stay somewhere in the race of next world cup, Indian team should follow strict discipline. Chappell has already pointed out this issue. Be organized, play professionally...Throw the guys out who are not playing well. See the example of Gillespie..Ponting showed him the door for the 4th test and made way for a debutant(Shaun Tait)...this is professionalism!!

baaki...let's see...
 
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For others, who didn't bat well today, it's a typical Indian trend...aaya Ram -gya Ram..

I would praise Pathan, Nehra for their opening spells. Why Agarkar is back??? Yadav bowled well and he's batting pretty well. Atleast he and Pathan made India reach 3 figures.

Bottom line is if we are to stay somewhere in the race of next world cup, Indian team should follow strict discipline. Chappell has already pointed out this issue. Be organized, play professionally...Throw the guys out who are not playing well. See the example of Gillespie..Ponting showed him the door for the 4th test and made way for a debutant(Shaun Tait)...this is professionalism!!

baaki...let's see...
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Navin kuch dino se maie soch reha tha ki Pathan ko Captain bana diya jana chiye and he should come up in the batting line. And bakiyo ko to Bangal Ki Khadi maie......... nahi nahi Bangal ki Khadi maie dalne se to India maie Mounsoon bi nahi ayega... inko to Sahara ke Desert maie barhe barhe Khoote gadh ke band dena chiye...........taki wapas bi nahi aa sake.......

Mujhe to Bechare Chappell pae tarash aa reha wo bechara soch reha hoga ki kesi team ke coach ban gaye.............
 
Ganguly should be out. He cannot handle fast bowlers. Indian problem is lack of aggressiveness. I think lack of sufficient meat in diet is 1 reason. Saab ke saab mariyal nazar aate haeen. These people look like they haven't eaten food for some time. They are not fit.
Why has pakistan produced so many fast bowlers? Meat is one reason. Meat eaters are by nature aggressive. Once in while a kapil dev comes along but that is rare.
 
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jeetu bhai,
do u know anything ? from where do u get all these hi fundas ? i have not seen a single fact in ur posts.

except a very few everyone in indian team eats meat.

less than 20% of indian population is vegiterian.

they are not fit bcos they can afford to be not fit.
 
Haha LOL you guys have started talking about 'Crooket' again.

Ganguly on top : WRONG


top among Indian players or overall . He is a flop show. running for 2 runs is ultra merathon for him.
Somebody please ask him to keep off his hands from waist (kamar pakde rah hai mamta kulkarni ki dhaal)
 
Ek Kani yeha England hai jaki Australia ki aisi tesi karan lag ri hai, and dusri taraf yeh aflada mehan players hai jakan kenya se bi harta sharma koni awa ............. koi surprise nahi hogi ki yeh 29 ko Zimbwae se bi harjya to..........
 
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Ganguly should be out. He cannot handle fast bowlers. Indian problem is lack of aggressiveness. I think lack of sufficient meat in diet is 1 reason. Saab ke saab mariyal nazar aate haeen. These people look like they haven't eaten food for some time. They are not fit.
Why has pakistan produced so many fast bowlers? Meat is one reason. Meat eaters are by nature aggressive. Once in while a kapil dev comes along but that is rare.
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Ganguly magarmach(crocodile) tak kha jata hai....uske lunch and dinner me meat ka hona lazimi hai....aur sab se marial wahi hai.

If I am correct Kumble is the only vegitarian member in the Indian team(ab toh usko bhee nikal diya hai). and last 10 years me India ne jitne bhee match jeete hain....unme se 70% toh kumble ne hee jitaye hain.
 
Let us See the Positive Sides of It

"Nothing succeeds like success" That is true in every scenario. We have seen great following for Pataudi, Gavaskar, Kapil and Azheruddin, and also seen the people ready to chop their heads when they failed. So, Ganguly's case is no different. But is he solely responsible for what is happening? Yes as the leader of the side he needs to take the blame for it which he has very gracefully accepted. Why I personally prefer Ganguly over Dravid is because when we lost in Sri Lanka, Dravid said we ran close. That is the worst statement a Captain can make. There are no rewards for runners up.

Trying out Venu at # 3 was not a bad idea. If just this young boy did not get the first delivery of his innings as one of the best the bowler could bowl. That was tough luck for young "Venu". But the culprits as a batsman had been our own Veeru, Yuvraj, and Ganguly himself. If we can afford consistently unperforming or under performing Sehwag, then why not Ganguly, at least he is doing one job better than others have been able to do.

The fighting spirit as well as taking things too easy both emerged out from this game. I feel this may be one of the best game one could have watched. We gave away initiative when we should not have after Nehra and Pathan had put up one of their best performances. Then we failed to bat 50 overs. It looks to me that Mr. Sehwag wanted to score 215 runs in two overs. I guess he needs to get his math right. Yadav and Pathan showed the others that the opposition was not as fierce as it was made out to be. I hope the rest of the team learn lessons from the innings Yadav and Pathan played and they themselves don't get carried away with this one performance.
 
brad said:
jeetu bhai,
do u know anything ? from where do u get all these hi fundas ? i have not seen a single fact in ur posts.

except a very few everyone in indian team eats meat.

less than 20% of indian population is vegiterian.

they are not fit bcos they can afford to be not fit.
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Dudi sahab what do you know about cricket?
meat = beef. meat does not mean chicken or anything else here in us.
I am not advocating eating beef here.
Less then 20% of Indians are vegetarians? haha that's why they look starved. Don't they? Eating chicken once a year makes a person non-vegetarian in your book.? You know so much then! :rolleyes:
And you are correct these freeloading cricketers can afford to be non-fit. All they have to do is to show up and lose again and again.
 
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arun_shamli said:
Ganguly magarmach(crocodile) tak kha jata hai....uske lunch and dinner me meat ka hona lazimi hai....aur sab se marial wahi hai.

If I am correct Kumble is the only vegitarian member in the Indian team(ab toh usko bhee nikal diya hai). and last 10 years me India ne jitne bhee match jeete hain....unme se 70% toh kumble ne hee jitaye hain.
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You might be correct. May be majority of Indians - protein ko pachha nahee sakte, no matter how much of it they get it from animal or other sources.

I Have a couple of questions from any bhai/behen who is in medical field:

#1. Please tell us if there are any differences between the protein we get from plants and then ones we get from animal sources. I know plant protein from 1 single source is incomplete.
#2. So what about protein from animal sources. How much of it should be taken in terms of grams at 1 time so the body can process it completely. I mean suppose I eat a complete chicken in 1 sitting which I have done on occassions :) is that too much protein to consume at 1 time? I mean if it is, then the rest will be thrown out of the system.
 
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