Ghoonghat System imposed on ladies of our Community.

[amankadian]

What about your friend in the picture? Would she do ghoonghat? Would you advise her to do so?

Or let's say you marry a foreigner (since you wrote in another thread how much you like foreigners)- genuine question, please don't take otherwise.

Bhai shaab aap bhi london main rhate ho to aapko pata hi hai unke culture main ghoonghat kabi tha hi nhi.

 

[thukrela]

मैंने तोह गाम में किसी पे भी घूँघट करण की ज़बरदस्ती होती ना देखी इब तक, सेज ही होते देखा है

 

[kapdal]

Bhai shaab aap bhi london main rhate ho to aapko pata hi hai unke culture main ghoonghat kabi tha hi nhi.

Culture to har pachaas saal mein change hota hai...

Aapne jo pehna hua hai, woh aapne unke culture se liya hai. To woh bhi aapke culture se le sakte hain agar itni hi achhi cheez hai toh (jaise yoga ko liya hai)

 

[amankadian]

bhut si chize humine bhi unse shiki hai.................aaj kal ki ladkiya jo mini skirt or jeans dalti hai wo sab unke culture se hi aai hi

ager culture change hota hai abi tak to aap jaat se muslman ban gaye hote

Or kuch asi hi chize hoti hai jo Indian ladkiyo ko special bana deti hai

 

[dagar25]

I request all the members to please vote in the poll......kyunki agar aap vote nahi kar rahe to iska matlab aap so rahe hai.

 

[anilsangwan]

Le bhai......... Jatland pe baddan mat diye jo vote naa kare uss ne !!

I request all the members to please vote in the poll......kyunki agar aap vote nahi kar rahe to iska matlab aap so rahe hai.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

म्हारे गाम में एक बाहमनी है आर व एक निजी विद्यालय में पढावे है! वा घूंघट क्या ने करे थी एक दिन मेरा भाई बैठक (रोड से लगती ) में बैठा था आर वा आवे थी! उसके ठोकर लागी आर वा आछी दूर ताहि खिंड गयी ( कापी किताब कलम और झोला इत्यादि ) ! मेरा भाई उसका सामान चुगवा के बोल्या " दादी जो घूंघट करे वे तो फेर भी पड़ जावे तू क्यूकर पड़ी? उस दिन पाछे दादी म्हारे बाहरने के तो घूंघट करके लिकदन लाग गयी! बाकी तो बेरा ना भाई म्हारे गाम में घूंघट लिक्ड़ने दस बारह साल पहलाम कम हो गए थे आर इब तो ओल्हे आली इसी दिखे हैं जणू तीज (तीज के दिनों में दिखने वाला एक सुन्दर सा कीड़ा ) दिखया करे ! आजकल कोए कोए निरभाग छोरी होगी जो बाहरवी ना पाडे कुंगर तो निरे नाकचेत मिल जांगे! आर इसका मतलब है वे इब पढ़ी लिखी है और पढ़ी लिखी घूंघट नहीं काढ्या करे ! जाट की कोए इमाम बरगी संस्था भी कोणी के फतवा जरी करवा दे ! इसलिए जो चल रहया है चलन दयो !

 

[dagar25]

Le bhai......... Jatland pe baddan mat diye jo vote naa kare uss ne !!

theek sai fer......tan ne a aag e khadaa karoonga...jo vote no karai un n apni jeli dekha diye.....kyun theek sai naa.

Lo sun lo tai balko.....JELI aala jaat aage khada pawagaa......jo vote nahi dega wo bachiyo es ki jeli tai.

 

[prikshit]

Imposition of veil is not at all justified. A very simple and valuable explanation by VP singh says so much in itself.
Time has changed so does tradition, so we should always keep moving.

 

[urmiladuhan]

म्हारे गाम में एक बाहमनी है आर व एक निजी विद्यालय में पढावे है! वा घूंघट क्या ने करे थी एक दिन मेरा भाई बैठक (रोड से लगती ) में बैठा था आर वा आवे थी! उसके ठोकर लागी आर वा आछी दूर ताहि खिंड गयी ( कापी किताब कलम और झोला इत्यादि ) ! मेरा भाई उसका सामान चुगवा के बोल्या " दादी जो घूंघट करे वे तो फेर भी पड़ जावे तू क्यूकर पड़ी? उस दिन पाछे दादी म्हारे बाहरने के तो घूंघट करके लिकदन लाग गयी! बाकी तो बेरा ना भाई म्हारे गाम में घूंघट लिक्ड़ने दस बारह साल पहलाम कम हो गए थे आर इब तो ओल्हे आली इसी दिखे हैं जणू तीज (तीज के दिनों में दिखने वाला एक सुन्दर सा कीड़ा ) दिखया करे ! आजकल कोए कोए निरभाग छोरी होगी जो बाहरवी ना पाडे कुंगर तो निरे नाकचेत मिल जांगे! आर इसका मतलब है वे इब पढ़ी लिखी है और पढ़ी लिखी घूंघट नहीं काढ्या करे !

जाट की कोए इमाम बरगी संस्था भी कोणी के फतवा जरी करवा दे ! इसलिए जो चल रहया है चलन दयो !

agar daughter in law aankho mae aankhae daal kae baat karae toh yae bhi kai sasuraal walon ko ganwara nahin - baath ban jaatee hae.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

agar daughter in law aankho mae aankhae daal kae baat karae toh yae bhi kai sasuraal walon ko ganwara nahin - baath ban jaatee hae.

मैडम जी लड़ गए वो दिन आज कल बहु सुसरे ने कह दे हैं की पड़ा रह कुण में चुपचाप तन्ने क्यां ए का बेरा भी है ! कोए कोए भागवान मानस है जिसने बहु बेटे की सेवा नसीब होवे है !

 

[kapdal]

Imposition of veil is not at all justified. A very simple and valuable explanation by VP singh says so much in itself.
Time has changed so does tradition, so we should always keep moving.

Bhai tune Jaroori hai ki vote kyun ger rakhi hai?

 

[prikshit]

Bhai I misread it as jaruri nhi instead of jaruri hai...Sorry !! ....but I won't se katti nhi coz its a personal choice to be made...not necessary for sure.

 

[amitdeswal85]

Ajay bhai Ghoonghat system ke alwa jat community me or bhi bahut se riti-riwaj parchalit hain. Ye riti-riwaj samay ke anusar hi hamare bade-bujurgo ne bahut hi soch samajkar banai hain.

For example Ghoonghat system ko he le lo : Ye system pararambh karne ke reason hain:-

1. Ghar aane wale kisi bhi bahari person ko pahanawe se hi ye pata lag jaye ki ghar kon ladki hai or kon bahu hai.

2. Ghoonghat ke karan bahuwe ghar ke bado se nahi bolti hain is se ghar me choti-choti baato par jhagra nahi hota hai.

in ke alawa bahut se reason hain. Iska historical aspect ye hai ke jis samay ye system shuru kiya gaya yahan muslimo ka raj tha un se jat women ko bachane ke liye ye system shuru kiya gaya tha.

Lekin is system ko western culture ke effect ke karan galat kahna thik nahi hai.Iski aaj bhi wesi hi jarurat jaisi us samay thi jab ye system shuru kiya gaya tha.

 

[annch]

VP Sir, seems like you are referring to Amar Chitra Katha for Indian Mythology....probably the only purpose veil served was to confuse the evil ruler, zamindar, muslim or otherwise if the woman behind the veil was beautiful or not, buy a little time for the woman...else veil was not an invincible armor that could "save" a woman...

If the Indian mythology is to be accepted as authentic account of our ancient traditions, the veil (ghoonghat) finds no place. All the female characters in our ancient books/epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata have been portrayed in haute couture attires made of chiffon or velvet viz. saari and sleeve less blouse with the lingerie inside clearly visible. Not to speak of veil. I think veil was introduced to save the beautiful girls and ladies from the evil eyes during Mughal empires. It could be a matter of choice, and should no longer be imposed as a custom. It is reminiscent of an age when the tyrant Muslim Rulers used to forcibly take the beautiful women as their brides. The situation has now changed. Under another thread, I have already mentioned merits and demerits of veil.

 

[drkarminder]

first of all i want to mention that "IMPOSED" is d wrong word used here...

vp singh sir thanx for mentioning d real origin and reason for ghoonghat custom...bt i just want to mention that now ghoonghat custom is so much mixed wd or culture that it has replaced d real reason behind it ,wd orhers reasons that look more realistic nd relevant to our society ...so if anybody want to eliminate this tradition for d reason mentioned by u then that will not be correct.

ghoonghat custom marks d identity of a women in famiy nd that i dont think is wrong....m from liberal family nd doctor by profession, i will not mind if my wife will use ghoonghat for eldres if m visiting my village or in my family
v can be modern nd d same time can follow our customs also.... again i want to mention swami vivekananda followed d custom of "sanyasi" nd was wearing "bhagwa" clothes when he addressed big crowed in chicago...bt according to our points he should be wearing armani suit nd gucci shoes.

..eliminating customs from any community doesnt make it modern...oh! come on men save our culture instead of destroying it wd irrelevent nd impractical reasons..

 

[kapdal]

All this discussion is extremely theoretical. You can't tell a tai that be modern and wear jeans just like you can't tell a city-bred girl to be traditional and do ghoonghat all the time.

Ghoonghat is not sati. I don't see a cause here. There would be women who have done it all their lives and who would find it odd now to become "modern" all of a sudden. The custom will go away gradually. I think it may be finished in next 50 years.

In principle, no one should be forced to do anything against their will. But that's coming from the new "individualism" - in traditional & communal societies, "I" mostly had to defer to "us".

So it may be a point of conflict, but the conflict has to be resolved at family level.

 

[drkarminder]

mr.kapil....i agree wd u that ghoonghat custom is a self resolvin...in couple of decades it will vanish..then wts d point of discussing it....nd now a days no 1 is compelling ny women except few cases in villages where it doesnt look odd....this is d custom that is followed according to place nd time nd think vrywomen is comfortable wd it..
if anywomen has to follow d ghoonghat system for one day in 2-3 years when she is attending any marriage at village then i dont think its such a big issue to discuss...

 

[singhvp]

All this discussion is extremely theoretical. You can't tell a tai that be modern and wear jeans just like you can't tell a city-bred girl to be traditional and do ghoonghat all the time.

Ghoonghat is not sati. I don't see a cause here. There would be women who have done it all their lives and who would find it odd now to become "modern" all of a sudden. The custom will go away gradually. I think it may be finished in next 50 years.

In principle, no one should be forced to do anything against their will. But that's coming from the new "individualism" - in traditional & communal societies, "I" mostly had to defer to "us".

So it may be a point of conflict, but the conflict has to be resolved at family level.

Kapil, theoretically it may sound logical that the "conflict has to be resolved at family level" but practically it is very difficult to militate against the unwritten and disguised societal conventions. One who dares not to fall in line with the majority opinion has to face a lot of ignominy and psychological torture. I have seen people (I include myself) with lot of exposure of outside world succumbing to the dictates of old brigade. It is not that easy to resolve at family level if you are living in rural areas. In metropolitan cities, I do not think this veil system is in vogue any more. I agree with you that customs gradually wither away in a process when the circumstances responsible for their origin undergo a change. But discussing the issue will certainly spread some awareness and might help in catalyzing the process of withering away.

 

[singhvp]

first of all i want to mention that "IMPOSED" is d wrong word used here...

vp singh sir thanx for mentioning d real origin and reason for ghoonghat custom...bt i just want to mention that now ghoonghat custom is so much mixed wd or culture that it has replaced d real reason behind it ,wd orhers reasons that look more realistic nd relevant to our society ...so if anybody want to eliminate this tradition for d reason mentioned by u then that will not be correct.

ghoonghat custom marks d identity of a women in famiy nd that i dont think is wrong....m from liberal family nd doctor by profession, i will not mind if my wife will use ghoonghat for eldres if m visiting my village or in my family
v can be modern nd d same time can follow our customs also.... again i want to mention swami vivekananda followed d custom of "sanyasi" nd was wearing "bhagwa" clothes when he addressed big crowed in chicago...bt according to our points he should be wearing armani suit nd gucci shoes.

..eliminating customs from any community doesnt make it modern...oh! come on men save our culture instead of destroying it wd irrelevent nd impractical reasons..

Dr. Karminder,

According to my little knowledge of ancient Indian history, veil has never been a symbolism of our identity. I have, however, no written evidence of this fact but whatever I have written in my earlier post was based on some unauthenticated readings and the versions of some elderly people. But, at the same time, there is no written evidence of the prevalence of this custom before Muslim invasion of India. So let us assume everything is based on unwritten accounts passed on by one generation to the other. Nevertheless, one strong argument to substantiate my viewpoint is that in all the portrayals of pre-Mughal India you will nowhere find any mention of ‘ghoonghat’. In the old paintings, murals and books depicting courtyards of the Kings, their life style and legendary events, their concubines, the queens, princesses, their maid servants and other women folks around them have all been shown without any veil. Rather they used to be dressed in comparatively more open and transparent outfits than the modern ones. Women were allowed to wear low-cut blouses and virtually transparent saris clearly exposing their belly buttons which, nowadays, could be seen in Bollywood movies only. Viewed against historical background of our ancestor, we are more conservative and the veil is a proof of that conservatism. I am very much in favour of your arguments that we need not, necessarily, change our outfits like Viveka Nanda, when we happen to go on foreign soil or in alien environment. No one would force our ladies, except in some Islamic countries, to cover their beautiful faces unless they themselves are willing to do so.