GOD! Are you there?

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God is a full subject to discuss. There are a number of opinions about God. One can hear different statements being made about God by different people. You can find some one saying ---bhagwan ne meri sun li, bhagwan ye tune kya kiya, bhagwan bhi sharifon ke peechhe pada rahta hai, bhagwan is bar naraz hai. Everyone seems to have a different image of God inside himself.
But the most basic question is whether God is there or not ? Most of us tend to say 'Yes, God is there'.But what makes us say this. Have we ever seen Him or felt Him or they say it just because our forefathers have been saying that or do we see some danger if we do not recognize Him or is there any scientific reason which makes us to accept His presence.
I want to ask this question so that our misconceptions about God are removed.
 
There is nothing like that!

This is a name given by the people to reason the questions they could not answer with logic.

My Argument: "Had there been an entity like GOD, there won't have been evils anywhere."
 
Yes and the reason one does not experience his presence is because of his limited knowledge. Widen your horizons, keep an open mind and one day you will know that there is God. Without God you can not explain a lot of things including your own existence.
If you can believe there is law of gravity, law of thermodynamics, newton's law, kirchoff's laws and millions of other laws, why is it so hard to believe that there is a supreme law which governs all the laws. Science does not have all the answers and will never have them because science only studies things created by God. I know a lot of readers will not agree with me but keep an open mind and ask yourself this question, who are you and why are you here?
 
How does it matter if GOD is there or not?
The important Q to aks is: what will u change in yourself, if god does exist? how will u behave if u know god does not exist?
And why ?
 
Dear friends,
The replies are very much on the expected lines.
1. There is nothing like that.
2. How does it matter if God is there or not
3. No logic
Shubha Chand ji on the right track.
Those who do not know exact definations and properties of God and do not find logic behind his existance, they start disbelieving Him
Those who think this supercomputer (their body ) and all gifts of nature have been given to them free of cost without any reason, they say --how does it matter if He is there or not.
Others who believe in God because of their forefathers they say He is there.That is all , do not ask further.
But God can be proved logically as well as scientifically. Some of the points are given below--
In this world we can not find any wise creation which has no creator. From an aeroplane to a small needle, a house ,a car, a TV, a pen everything has a creator. The matter is JAD (senseless, inert). It cannot take a wise shape on its own. Here the principle comes out--- No wise creation can take place unless it has a creator. Similar is the case of Human body, earth, trees etc. These are very wise and systematic creations. Human body is a supercomputer-- various parts very well adjusted. See different organs , their functions , blood purification and supply system, eyes and countless operations. Has it became such on its own? See the earth and metals inside it-- how the electrons, protons and neutrons adjusted--- a very perfect system. Does the matter which is called JAD (senseless) has the ability to acquire different forms itself.
The great scientist NEWTON tells through his law of motion-------No matter can change its state of rest or motion unless an external force is applied to it.
This is the logic which makes us to believe that there is a power which is behind the creation of this beautiful nature and this power is called God.
We shouid go in search for more logics for creating real belief in God oterwise we will keep on believing God only from outside not by heart.


And dear Anil you say----what does it matter....... . If some one gives you a house, a car and other gifts without appearing before you, won't you try to find him and thank him. If you don't it will be called Kritghanta (ingratitude).Same case is with the God who has given you a beautiful body, every type of instuments fitted on it, fruits to eat , a very beautiful nature to enjoy. So if you trust in God you should try to find about him and thank him.
Dear Jitender, your argument---had there been any entity like God, there wouldn't have been evils anywhere--- is a very good doubt and this doubt is the biggest factor which makes many people doubt the existance of God. For getting the perfect answer you will have to study ATMA, PARMATMA & PRAKRITI , the purpose of God behind making this srishti. However I quote a small example---
Jeev karm karne me swatantra hai. Karm ke aadhar par phal milega. This world is just like an examination hall. Students are free to write anything. If a student writes something wrong the teacher will not tell him the correct answer. If he does so it will be injustice to other students. All the students will get marks as per their answers. Similarly God does not interfere but gives reward or punishment as per our deeds.
 
Dear All,

This is one of the most favourite subject of all times. Each one has his/her own hypothesis and logic behind it.

My hypothesis says the nature which has created every thing we see also has a creator who is beyond all limitations which we call God.

The reason why this subject causes so much controversy is that people tend to analyse the presence of God using their scientific knowledge which in itself has it's own limitations. If the science was perfect and understood perfectly no new theories should be coming out now and then. So science itself is evolving so is our capacity to analyse things. Using these tools one can hope to gain limited insight.

However to take another route one must start with faith and then analyse it and see where do you reach. The word is introspection. Sit in a quite place and concentrate on God and sooner or later you will feel it if the efforts are sincere and faith is complete. The process can take a long time and analytical process invariably raises few questions which must be answered before any progress can be made.
God is inside and those who are looking for it outside are knocking at wrong doors.
 
1> Time is the Best HEALER.
2> EXPERIENCE is best TEACHER.
3> Nature is the best GUIDE. ( Nature-->VERY STRONG & IMPRESSIVE).

Human body is also part of Nature which is driven by certain forces ( GOD \ CREATOR ). This force acts sort of Centripetal forces( Fc=mv(2) / r) to all living one. Every cell of human body is in equilibrium to this force.

These force \ creator exists and can be felt by certain methods as already described by SubhaChandji.
 
Shubha Chand Ji:

Indeed, this is enlightening message.

Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 18, 2003 08:58 p.m.):
Dear All,

God is inside and those who are looking for it outside are knocking at wrong doors.
 
Sir,

Is there any jat who saw God in actual by their own healing and spiritual way?

Actually I haven't tried any healing or spiritual way.

-Balraj Dahiya
Budh Nashier (Oct 19, 2003 08:04 a.m.):
Shubha Chand Ji:

Indeed, this is enlightening message.

Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 18, 2003 08:58 p.m.):
Dear All,

God is inside and those who are looking for it outside are knocking at wrong doors.
 
Dear Balraj Ji,
Swami Satya Pathi has realised god.
He has a centre in Gujrat, more you can find about him from Dayanand Math Rohtak or a gurukul swami ji started in Sunderpur near canal on Jind Road Rohtak.
Swami ji has practiced truth for last 40 years.
Regards
Ishwar Lamba
 
Dear Balraj:

What is God and where is He? It all depends on what you wish to believe in. Jagmohan Ji, Shubha Chand Ji & Yajvir Ji have presented some very fine points and they all are rather powerful points. Live a life following the most fundamental principles:
Don't tell lies, Don't hurt others, Be honest, Be kind, Help others, Do your duty sincerely, Take a few moments before you go to sleep and think about things you did during the day which you probably should not have done, Remain honest to your own conscience as you can’t hide the facts from self.
Once you live a life following these basic but very hard principles, then your life is SIMPLE and PEACEFUL. You have realized GOD. HE is inside you. You are peaceful, healthy, mentally sound, a pleasant person to be around, you see brightness in everything you do, you radiate wisdom wherever you go, others find you more powerful than they are. Healing and spiritualities are now inside you. You have realized the Creator.
Do you know of any person who is living a life strictly following these principles - no failures allowed? Answer this question to yourself truthfully.
God is not locked in any building or closet. Once we fail in the basic principles cited above, we are restless and peace isn’t there and then we look for places to buy that peace. But the peace has to come from within.


Balraj Dahiya (Oct 19, 2003 11:47 p.m.):
Sir,

Is there any jat who saw God in actual by their own healing and spiritual way?

Actually I haven't tried any healing or spiritual way.

-Balraj Dahiya
Budh Nashier (Oct 19, 2003 08:04 a.m.):
Shubha Chand Ji:

Indeed, this is enlightening message.

Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 18, 2003 08:58 p.m.):
Dear All,

God is inside and those who are looking for it outside are knocking at wrong doors.
 
Dear all,

The discussion gets refreshingly interesting.
When you are really happy do you go on telling others that you are happy ? Probably not because you are too busy relishing those moments of tranquility.

Similarly those who have experienced God are not likely to tell others about it. Probably they are too engrossed in God to care much about mundane worldly matters. However it should be possible to identify such people from the life they lead like Swami Satpati ji as mentioned by Ishwar Lamba ji. There may be many more in a big country like India but one has to watch out for fakes as well. The search starts from yourself and overcome all hindrances to self actualisation towards attainment to highest level of self purification. Once that is achieved Nirvana (Atma to Parmatma) should be natural progression. Unfortunately there is no handy guide but scriptures are best source of research and if you are fortunate enough to get a good teacher the path could be traversed more quickly than you would without a teacher. As per Geeta there are 4 types of people who seek God,1. those in trouble, 2.those who are curious, 3.those who want some thing from God, 4. those who love God. Depending on which category do we fit the results are dependent on our sincerety and amount of efforts.
 
Thanks you Uncle Ishwar Singh for valuable and spiritual informations.

Regards,
Balraj Dahiya
Ishwar Singh Lamba (Oct 20, 2003 12:12 a.m.):
Dear Balraj Ji,
Swami Satya Pathi has realised god.
He has a centre in Gujrat, more you can find about him from Dayanand Math Rohtak or a gurukul swami ji started in Sunderpur near canal on Jind Road Rohtak.
Swami ji has practiced truth for last 40 years.
Regards
Ishwar Lamba
 
Sir,

Thanks for really nice and touching information regarding God which only few person can provide and know in real life.

I have heard that when the person is in extreme
healing & spiritual position.I means to say near the God then he can transfer the soul from one body to another body.
Is it possible ?

Regards,
Balraj Dahiya

quote]Budh Nashier (Oct 20, 2003 04:08 a.m.):
Dear Balraj:

What is God and where is He? It all depends on what you wish to believe in. Jagmohan Ji, Shubha Chand Ji & Yajvir Ji have presented some very fine points and they all are rather powerful points. Live a life following the most fundamental principles:
Don't tell lies, Don't hurt others, Be honest, Be kind, Help others, Do your duty sincerely, Take a few moments before you go to sleep and think about things you did during the day which you probably should not have done, Remain honest to your own conscience as you can’t hide the facts from self.
Once you live a life following these basic but very hard principles, then your life is SIMPLE and PEACEFUL. You have realized GOD. HE is inside you. You are peaceful, healthy, mentally sound, a pleasant person to be around, you see brightness in everything you do, you radiate wisdom wherever you go, others find you more powerful than they are. Healing and spiritualities are now inside you. You have realized the Creator.
Do you know of any person who is living a life strictly following these principles - no failures allowed? Answer this question to yourself truthfully.
God is not locked in any building or closet. Once we fail in the basic principles cited above, we are restless and peace isn’t there and then we look for places to buy that peace. But the peace has to come from within.


Balraj Dahiya (Oct 19, 2003 11:47 p.m.):
Sir,

Is there any jat who saw God in actual by their own healing and spiritual way?

Actually I haven't tried any healing or spiritual way.

-Balraj Dahiya
Budh Nashier (Oct 19, 2003 08:04 a.m.):
Shubha Chand Ji:

Indeed, this is enlightening message.

Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 18, 2003 08:58 p.m.):
Dear All,

God is inside and those who are looking for it outside are knocking at wrong doors.
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dear balraj ji,
Yog Darshan (Vibhuti Pad and Kaivalya Pad) deals with the achivements of a yogi. As per Arya Samaj scholars it is not possible for a person even for a yogi to transfer a soul from one body to another.
 
Dear Yajvir

As Subha chand ji rightly said God is with in the body.
This is great mistry of God- Those who can realise with in can find in ATMA- 10th Door
The eye centre- DASMA DAWAR- SHIV NETAR & SAHASARDAL KAMAL.
ATMA- SOUL HAS TO GO THROUGH UNLIMTED BRITHS AND YOGA SHADHNA TO FIND GOD.
ONLY TRUE YOGI - GURU CAN SHOW THE WAY.
YAH JANAM 2 KI YOG SADHANA KA -KAM HAI.

KAVI NY KAHA
NIRAKAR- SAKAR JAGAT MAE SARY KE PARKASH TERA.


NIRAKAR -SAKAR JAGAT SANSAR RACHANIYA TU HAI
BHAGATO KY BEDAY KO ISHWAR PAR KARNIYA TU HAi.
14 RATTAN SAMUDAR MATH KAR KADHAN ALA TU HAI
DHANA BHAGAT NY KANKAR BOE- JAWAR KARNIYA TU HAI.
DHARMPAL KA RAM NAM KA JAHAJ PAR KARNIYA TU HAI
OM BHUR BHAV SHAV GAYTARI- SAT-CHIT- ANAND TU HAI.

GHAT GHAT KY MAE RAM BASATA HAI
GHAT KY PARDY KHOL LY BHAI.
LAKHO- KARODO JANAMOO KY
VAD YAH ANMOL MANAS DEH PAI !!!!!!!!!!!

TAN GHAT MAE MILANGY BHAGWAN
BHATAKTI SURTA KUE DOLLAN !!!!!!!!!!!!

SURAT= ATMA
 
I am just writing a simple story (A true one)
Einstein had a friend who was atheist.One day he came to einstien's house and there was a beautiful model of solar system on the top af the table.His friend asked him who made this.
Einstien replied do you think that this was made by itself.His friend replied no.On this einstien said " Our solar system is much more beautiful than this model and there must be some power who created it, that power is god".
His friend had to believe in that power after this incident.

You have all the knowledge about everything inside you.Observe yourself and you will get knowledge from doing that.It is not an easy task.It takes time.If you want some more explanation read Gita.I am sure you will have answers to your question in Gita.
 
Dear Yajbir,

The if God does so, He is the worst entity. To prove Himself He plays with so many creatures existing in the nature.

"Punishing is not a natural solution to evils,
the natural solution is to correct the error."

Hope you get me.

My idea is:
"The only superpower is nature. Do abide by the natural laws. The is the way to live."

Yajvir Gulia (Oct 18, 2003 03:08 p.m.):
Dear friends,
The replies are very much on the expected lines.
1. There is nothing like that.
2. How does it matter if God is there or not
3. No logic
Shubha Chand ji on the right track.
Those who do not know exact definations and properties of God and do not find logic behind his existance, they start disbelieving Him
Those who think this supercomputer (their body ) and all gifts of nature have been given to them free of cost without any reason, they say --how does it matter if He is there or not.
Others who believe in God because of their forefathers they say He is there.That is all , do not ask further.
But God can be proved logically as well as scientifically. Some of the points are given below--
In this world we can not find any wise creation which has no creator. From an aeroplane to a small needle, a house ,a car, a TV, a pen everything has a creator. The matter is JAD (senseless, inert). It cannot take a wise shape on its own. Here the principle comes out--- No wise creation can take place unless it has a creator. Similar is the case of Human body, earth, trees etc. These are very wise and systematic creations. Human body is a supercomputer-- various parts very well adjusted. See different organs , their functions , blood purification and supply system, eyes and countless operations. Has it became such on its own? See the earth and metals inside it-- how the electrons, protons and neutrons adjusted--- a very perfect system. Does the matter which is called JAD (senseless) has the ability to acquire different forms itself.
The great scientist NEWTON tells through his law of motion-------No matter can change its state of rest or motion unless an external force is applied to it.
This is the logic which makes us to believe that there is a power which is behind the creation of this beautiful nature and this power is called God.
We shouid go in search for more logics for creating real belief in God oterwise we will keep on believing God only from outside not by heart.


And dear Anil you say----what does it matter....... . If some one gives you a house, a car and other gifts without appearing before you, won't you try to find him and thank him. If you don't it will be called Kritghanta (ingratitude).Same case is with the God who has given you a beautiful body, every type of instuments fitted on it, fruits to eat , a very beautiful nature to enjoy. So if you trust in God you should try to find about him and thank him.
Dear Jitender, your argument---had there been any entity like God, there wouldn't have been evils anywhere--- is a very good doubt and this doubt is the biggest factor which makes many people doubt the existance of God. For getting the perfect answer you will have to study ATMA, PARMATMA & PRAKRITI , the purpose of God behind making this srishti. However I quote a small example---
Jeev karm karne me swatantra hai. Karm ke aadhar par phal milega. This world is just like an examination hall. Students are free to write anything. If a student writes something wrong the teacher will not tell him the correct answer. If he does so it will be injustice to other students. All the students will get marks as per their answers. Similarly God does not interfere but gives reward or punishment as per our deeds.
 
Dear Jitu,

It is with our limited analytical knowledge we talk about God punishing or rewarding. For him adjectives do not apply nor do the laws of nature as they do to us ordinary human beings. Because Nature is created by him not vice versa. Probably Divya's idea is very practical and some scripture knowledge goes a long way in helping us under stand what is God .
 
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