"Harit Pradesh" - whats this all about??

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I don't think size has anything to do with development. There are advantages and disvantages in both, small and large sizes. Experience so far has been that if divisions have solved few problems, they have created equally complex problems. If size alone were the criteria, NE states would have been the most developed ones in India. In my view, any further division of larger states should be deferred till there is clear decision on;

1. Sharing of river water
2. Sharing of other common resources like power plants
3. Resources for establishing new capital city and other infrastructure

We should not be carried away by slogans of self seeking politicians. In my view mindless divisions bring more troubles than they address..Remember, countries are uniting to form economic blocks..We need to take lessons from them and see how larger states can have beetr say in running India..

Rajendra
 
I support the demand for Harit Pradesh

Yes, I support it! and why not?
It's not division of country or any thing like that but a division for development.
In the past I've seen in Western UP and seeing it today as well that the whole hierarchy in most of the Govt. office belong to Eastern UP. All Mishras, Yadavs, Mathurs etc. There is least place for the guys from western UP. Ab koi maaney ya na maaney, actual situation is worse than what I m telling.
They(Eastern UP) get jobs in western part, take bribes(for which UP is famous for), earn money but they don't do any development in the western UP. Moreover, this is true for politicians as well. Take any CM, Mulayam ji ko hee le lo...Most of the money comes from Western UP(Land revenues and bribes etc.) and gets invested in the Eastern UP areas. This is unjust!!

I think the days are over for Mathurs and Mishras...Western UP will see Harit Pradesh people working there. A boon for Jats. They will get the opportunity to get the administrative jobs as well. Atleast, the bribe u give to a guy in Ghaziabad or Meerut, it will stay in Harit Pradesh only. ;-)
But I really mean it. We'll have to fight for it and atleast I am ready for it. See Uttaranchal people, finally they have won! And WE WILL TOO!
And I don't care about the personality of Ch. Ajit Singh, so long as he's focussed on Harit Pradesh. I fully support his movement and all should! He needs this support.

Cheers
 
itsnavin said:
Yes, I support it! and why not?
It's not division of country or any thing like that but a division for development.
In the past I've seen in Western UP and seeing it today as well that the whole hierarchy in most of the Govt. office belong to Eastern UP. All Mishras, Yadavs, Mathurs etc. There is least place for the guys from western UP. Ab koi maaney ya na maaney, actual situation is worse than what I m telling.
They(Eastern UP) get jobs in western part, take bribes(for which UP is famous for), earn money but they don't do any development in the western UP. Moreover, this is true for politicians as well. Take any CM, Mulayam ji ko hee le lo...Most of the money comes from Western UP(Land revenues and bribes etc.) and gets invested in the Eastern UP areas. This is unjust!!

I think the days are over for Mathurs and Mishras...Western UP will see Harit Pradesh people working there. A boon for Jats. They will get the opportunity to get the administrative jobs as well. Atleast, the bribe u give to a guy in Ghaziabad or Meerut, it will stay in Harit Pradesh only. ;-)
But I really mean it. We'll have to fight for it and atleast I am ready for it. See Uttaranchal people, finally they have won! And WE WILL TOO!
And I don't care about the personality of Ch. Ajit Singh, so long as he's focussed on Harit Pradesh. I fully support his movement and all should! He needs this support.

Cheers
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Even now most of the investment is in Western UP. Take combined investment in NOIDA and Gaziabad, it will outstrip entire UP. Every beurocrate of UP invests his money in a house in NOIDA or Gaziabad. Kanpur is a dead city for a very long time, leave aside the IIT there. Western UP has more engineering and other colleges than Eastern..Just count all the colleges in NOIDA and Gaziabad, one will know the figures. Film city is in Gaziabad..New Airport project is in NOIDA area.. So let us put our facts and figures correctly before we raise the demand..

Rajendra
 
rkumar said:
Even now most of the investment is in Western UP. Take combined investment in NOIDA and Gaziabad, it will outstrip entire UP. Every beurocrate of UP invests his money in a house in NOIDA or Gaziabad. Kanpur is a dead city for a very long time, leave aside the IIT there. Western UP has more engineering and other colleges than Eastern..Just count all the colleges in NOIDA and Gaziabad, one will know the figures. Film city is in Gaziabad..New Airport project is in NOIDA area.. So let us put our facts and figures correctly before we raise the demand..

Rajendra
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Yes! My point exactly!

And lets not forget Agra (revenue from tourism).

Uttranchal was a different ballgame ... UP sarkar was happy to part with DehraDun, because they were also losing a very large no. of tribals/STs.

This is not the case this time round.

I doubt any UP sarkar will want to part with western UP.

Ch. Ajit Singh will be bought off.

Ram Ram.
 
Ok dear, there are lots of unemployed people. Students can' t see any future. If we will make smaller state, then there would be lots of jobs in the Govt. and other sectors. There would be new Capital. New secretariat, new ministries. Lots of staff to be hired. people will get jobs and they will serve the state. Keep aside Ajit Singh. This is a genuine demand. I am totally disagree with Dr. Rajendra Kumar Kalkhande. No body is caring about people.


I would request all students and unemployed people fight for your right.

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I did a little survey on the map of U.P. It has seventy districts. There should be at least three states out of U.P. Then you will see how fast it will develop. Secondly why did you allow Uttaranchal. You see how much time it takes to reach Lucknow. You can reach your national capital quickly rather to reach your provincial capital. How many days and money it takes to spend on a single visit. This is total stupidity and no body cares about that. Suppose you made Harit Pradesh its Capital should be Bulandshahar. It is almost centre of the projected Harit Pradesh and near to national capital too. Some time you have to go provincial capital to national capital through proper channel. I think it should be the best idea. But I don't know how much big city is Bulandshahar. Is there any threat of flood or water in the soil good for drinking and can we make high rise buildings there? We have to see so many things. Please all brothers from U.P provide some information, is this city would be suitable for capital for harit pradesh? I have tried to find some 24 Districts for this state. they are as follows:

Shaharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Bijnor, Meerut, Baghpat, Ghaziabad, Bulandshahar, Jyotiba Phule Nagar, Moradabad, Rampur, Aligarh, Budaun, Bareilly, Pilibhit, Mathura, Gautam Budh Nagar, Hathras, Etah, Agra, Firozabad, Mainpuri, Etawah, Shahjahanpur, Farrukhabad

The second state can be made Purav Pradesh. The capital of Purv Pradesh should be Jaunpur. And the central part should be left as Uttar Pradesh as Capital Lucknow. Then you will see development.
 
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I did a little survey on the map of U.P. It has seventy districts. There should be at least three states out of U.P. Then you will see how fast it will develop. Secondly why did you allow Uttaranchal. You see how much time it takes to reach Lucknow. You can reach your national capital quickly rather to reach your provincial capital. How many days and money it takes to spend on a single visit. This is total stupidity and no body cares about that. Suppose you made Harit Pradesh its Capital should be Bulandshahar. It is almost centre of the projected Harit Pradesh and near to national capital too. Some time you have to go provincial capital to national capital through proper channel. I think it should be the best idea. But I don't know how much big city is Bulandshahar. Is there any threat of flood or water in the soil good for drinking and can we make high rise buildings there? We have to see so many things. Please all brothers from U.P provide some information, is this city would be suitable for capital for harit pradesh? I have tried to find some 24 Districts for this state. they are as follows:

Shaharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Bijnor, Meerut, Baghpat, Ghaziabad, Bulandshahar, Jyotiba Phule Nagar, Moradabad, Rampur, Aligarh, Budaun, Bareilly, Pilibhit, Mathura, Gautam Budh Nagar, Hathras, Etah, Agra, Firozabad, Mainpuri, Etawah, Shahjahanpur, Farrukhabad

The second state can be made Purav Pradesh. The capital of Purv Pradesh should be Jaunpur. And the central part should be left as Uttar Pradesh as Capital Lucknow. Then you will see development.
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Dear Mr. phougat,

If I take your logic, Sardar Patel should have never got those princely states merged in India and must have allowed them to remain separate states under the Indian constitution. I am sure as per your logic India would have been much more developed by this time..No wonder the people of NOrth East and Kashmir are fighting for independence as they also think that thay will becaome superpowers. They are forgetting that Mynamar and Nepal next door remain as backward as they were centuaries back. Divisions bring more disputes in todays world than they solve. Any further reorganisation of States should be done only when there is a very clear law about sharing of water and all other resources. Look at how Haryana and Punjab have been fighting over sutlaj water..

Rajendra
 
sphougat said:
I did a little survey on the map of U.P. It has seventy districts. There should be at least three states out of U.P.... I have tried to find some 24 Districts for this state. they are as follows:

Shaharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Bijnor, Meerut, Baghpat, Ghaziabad, Bulandshahar, Jyotiba Phule Nagar, Moradabad, Rampur, Aligarh, Budaun, Bareilly, Pilibhit, Mathura, Gautam Budh Nagar, Hathras, Etah, Agra, Firozabad, Mainpuri, Etawah, Shahjahanpur, Farrukhabad
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This state seems too big.

The idea of "Harit Pradesh" is basically a sugar-coated way of saying we want a state carved out of UP where Jats will become more active and bigger players in all walks of life - social,economic and political.

I was under the impression that Harit will have about 5-7 districts east of delhi, which include places like Baghpat with Meerut as the base/capital.

That would "ideally" do the trick.

But ...

The states you've listed will totally defeat the principle.

eg - Etah, Mathura, Etawah, Kannauj, Mainpuri are all densely populated Ahir/yadav areas.

The Yadav-Rajput combo of Mulayam Singh Yadav/Amar Singh will araam-se cake-walk it in Harit Pradesh also. It would serve their purpose because:
i. Eastern UP, or Purav Pradesh as you've called it has more brahmin land-owners and thaakurs etc. They'd lose all these non-SP voting people.
ii. Samajwadi Party has a monopoly on muslim votes, and it is likely to stay constant in Harit Pradesh.

Ch. Ajit Singh will again be secondary 'sidey' character.

I think this is something that we shall have to swallow with a bitter taste. Just 1 generation ago, Jats were top dogs of UP. The "J" was the shining and significant component of "AJGaR". Now, in the space of 20-odd years, we are seeing it slump into a chasm of mediocrity. We have seen Ch. Ajit Singh defeated by the likes of Sompal on his home turf, we are seeing him do business with the likes of Mayawati (another corrupt caste-leader).

Mulayam Singh is a better "people's politician" than Ch. Ajit Singh. The events of Mandal commission, reservations, Babri mosque demolition etc have shown him to reach out to people outside his own community (Yadavs), whilst Ch. Ajit Singh is/was happy to rest on his laurels in the base made for him by his Dad. Whilst neither can be compared to the great man himself, Ch. Ajit Singh is a distant third to Mulayam's distant second.

This is my view.

Regards,

Ram Ram.
 
Dear Ramandeep,

Your analysis is very good except the political inclination of Eastern UP. If you see the Ch. Charan Singh era, he always got more MLA's from Eastern UP. Believe or not, we are not in the winning combination alone in the 5-7 districts you have mentioned. Mathura, Aligarh and Agra have more density of Jat Population than Meerut and Ghaziabad per say. Even Muzaffurnagar may fall in the similar category. It is not only the Jat population's density it is also the aspiration of many Jats to contest elections that has spoiled the show over the years.

It was only after Mandal Commission, that the uppercastes broke away from Congress and went in mass with BJP. Otherwise the Brahmins and Thakurs Votes in Eastern UP were always divided. What Ch. Charan Singh was able to address was the farmer community, irrespective of their caste. While many brahmin and thakur farmers did not vote for him, majority of Ahirs in Eastern UP voted for him. There are other castes who traditionally vote against Thakurs like Kurmi's in the areas of Kannauj and Farrukhabad, who voted for Ch. Charan Singh. Ch. Ajit Singh just could not carry forward the legacy his father left for him.

Mulayam Singh was very close to Ch. Charan Singh and he probably learnt more from him than his own son, and that is why he is more successful. The biggest mistake Ch. Ajit Singh did in his political career is contesting against Mulayam Singh Yadav unsuccessfully for the CM's post during VP Singh's time.

The concept of Smaller states purely to become bigger player as a community is neither good for community nor for the nation. In a democratic set up unless we can learn the art of carrying every one with us, we can just forget the idea of playing a bigger role. Purely on Jat votes you can't win the elections and gain power.

You have to have the organization and the personality to attract the common man from every community to play a bigger role. The Kisan Union took off very well, but probably Mr. Tikait could not digest the success. In that he was supported by all farmers in the area, and not only Jats and that is why it became a force to recon with at that time.
 
rkumar said:
Dear Mr. phougat,

If I take your logic, Sardar Patel should have never got those princely states merged in India and must have allowed them to remain separate states under the Indian constitution. I am sure as per your logic India would have been much more developed by this time..No wonder the people of NOrth East and Kashmir are fighting for independence as they also think that thay will becaome superpowers. They are forgetting that Mynamar and Nepal next door remain as backward as they were centuaries back. Divisions bring more disputes in todays world than they solve. Any further reorganisation of States should be done only when there is a very clear law about sharing of water and all other resources. Look at how Haryana and Punjab have been fighting over sutlaj water..

Rajendra
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There were more than 500 princely ruled states. They did right at that point of time. Dear Dr. Rajendra which theory do you and your statesman want to apply for development. Every political leader is boasting they will become fully developed nation by 2020. The reality is they are not doing anything, even the criminal are ruling in some states. You can not treat person like lalu who is openely distributing 100 bills to public. What are talking man. One side Chandraswami, a tantrik giving killing advice to people. What are you talking man. Listen there was a minister Lahri Singh I don't know it was Punjab at that point of time or Haryana. There were farheri (docaits) were hiding in the haryana fields. There was a big problem for haryana farmers to go in the fields and plough their fields. Lahri Singh called DGP (Director general of Police) and ordered him make a list of all criminals in the state. He further ordered I want to see all criminals dead within three months. DGP accepted his words and they clean the province within three months. Do you think any society, any society need criminals. No then who will treat them tell me. One billion people can not handle some crooks what are you talking man.

Tell me one thing, I don't know if any chief minister in UP completed 5 years term. if not why? You are talking about Haryana. We Haryanavis are thousand time better than Punjabis. We separated late from Punjab. How will you make fully developed India tell me. I will not mind to take your suggestions if they are viable. But, I don't think within India anybody is working on any good project to make India fully developed. Yes of course everybody is saying they will become, but how they will become, they don't know
 
rkumar said:
Even now most of the investment is in Western UP. Take combined investment in NOIDA and Gaziabad, it will outstrip entire UP. Every beurocrate of UP invests his money in a house in NOIDA or Gaziabad. Kanpur is a dead city for a very long time, leave aside the IIT there. Western UP has more engineering and other colleges than Eastern..Just count all the colleges in NOIDA and Gaziabad, one will know the figures. Film city is in Gaziabad..New Airport project is in NOIDA area.. So let us put our facts and figures correctly before we raise the demand..

Rajendra
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Rajender ji
u know it very well..NOIDA and Ghaziabad alone don't cover whole of Harit Pradesh. The development should reflect in other parts of the state as well. u r right that Noida and Ghaziabad are progressing. But as far as their development is concerned, it's due to the reason that they fall in NCR region. There are more funds for them. Did u visit Hapur or Bulandshahar? Any developments there? NO! nothing at all. Ghaziabad is the maximum revenue earning distt. in UP(from land revenues, taxes, industrial taxes, sugar mills etc etc) as it's bordering Delhi. i think that there is no reason that it should be underdeveloped than Faridabad atleast. But it is not. You know the reasons..right? I wish to see the same development levels in these areas as well. And the relatively same level of development should be there in other distt. of Harit Pradesh.

It's a well known issue when Mulayam Singh didn't leave any stone unturned for his efforts to abolish the new distt. of Gautam Budh Nagar. It was finally the court order that prevailed. But if that Yadav had been successful, NOIDA and its plans would have been dead before they could be initiated. Also NOIDA would become breeding place for criminals like Ghaziabad.

Next issue can be criminals, UP being a big state and CMs are from eastern parts. They don't pay any heed to criminal activities happening in the western UP areas like Ghaziabad, Muzz. Nagar, Meerut. If we can have a smaller state, police control could be better. They can tighten the noose around criminals. I think so!!

Navin
 
It is as simple as that : if separation of Haryana from Punjab was justified in 60`s then demand of Harit Pradesh is as just as it gets.
 
Dear All,

I think we are loosing the sight of the discussion. I remember during the first innings of Mr. Kalyan Singh as CM in UP, all criminals from UP vanished. The reason, he had given full authorities to the local police officers. I remember travelling from Delhi to Bulandshahar late in the evening, and wanted to buy some sweets as I was going to some ones place. The bus at about 7:30 stopped at one of the Dhabas between Bulandshahar and Sikandrabad. There were some sweets available there. Some one was buying sweets from there, I told him why can't he buy at Bulandshahar as to me those sweets did not look very good. He replied, "Sir, Yeh Kalyan Singh ka Raj Hai, 8:00 PM market will close except Pan shops and medical stores. By the time bus reaches there you will find no other shop open. Truely, it was the case.

The point to stress here is that to enforce the law size of the state really does not matter. Because the local government remains the same, unless you are going to change the sizes of districts, tehsils and finally the villages if I go on extreme. It is the clear cut directions of the leader that matters. If you remember, that year Kalyan Singh made copying in exam congnizable offense with no bail provision. The UP board result slumped to 14% for 10th and 11% for 12th. He also made teachers accountable to students results and discouraged them to call students for private tuitions. I am sure it must have hurted the student and teachers community alike, but it was good for the nation and community at large. Sh. Mulayam Singh in next election campaign clearly put in his party's manifesto that he will allow copying in board exams and did announce it as first thing on his victory.

The point here is the purpose of Harit Pradesh? If it is development and if small states be the answer by all means we should do it. But if the purpose is for Ajit Singh to become CM and Jat community thinks that they will be the leader, then I don't think so that will be the case. On first instance Ch. Ajit Singh will dump the community for his personal gains. Jats alone can't rule a single state and so is any other community. In politics, leadership is most important and the leader has to be accepted by more than one community and not by any single community. So long Ch. Charan Singh was farmers leader he was successful. Wheneve we made him a Jat leader (which we all tried to do) we harmed his political career.

The points I have tried to bring out here is that, smaller state will give more opportunities to criminals to do the crime in one state and migrate to another to avoid the arrests. This is the reasone the Chambal valley is so famous for the crime. The reason is not the difficult terrain alone, but the boundry of three states in the area. UP, MP and Rajasthan.

No crime rate has come down by making Noida a separate district. It is not the size of the state or district that matters, it is the will of leader or rular that matters.
 
sphougat said:
There were more than 500 princely ruled states. They did right at that point of time. Dear Dr. Rajendra which theory do you and your statesman want to apply for development. Every political leader is boasting they will become fully developed nation by 2020. The reality is they are not doing anything, even the criminal are ruling in some states. You can not treat person like lalu who is openely distributing 100 bills to public. What are talking man. One side Chandraswami, a tantrik giving killing advice to people. What are you talking man. Listen there was a minister Lahri Singh I don't know it was Punjab at that point of time or Haryana. There were farheri (docaits) were hiding in the haryana fields. There was a big problem for haryana farmers to go in the fields and plough their fields. Lahri Singh called DGP (Director general of Police) and ordered him make a list of all criminals in the state. He further ordered I want to see all criminals dead within three months. DGP accepted his words and they clean the province within three months. Do you think any society, any society need criminals. No then who will treat them tell me. One billion people can not handle some crooks what are you talking man.

Tell me one thing, I don't know if any chief minister in UP completed 5 years term. if not why? You are talking about Haryana. We Haryanavis are thousand time better than Punjabis. We separated late from Punjab. How will you make fully developed India tell me. I will not mind to take your suggestions if they are viable. But, I don't think within India anybody is working on any good project to make India fully developed. Yes of course everybody is saying they will become, but how they will become, they don't know
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We all know that there are things wrong with country. Division alone is not the answer. What I am trying to say is that any divisions without addressing all the related issues can be more dangerous. Let there be a complete reorganisation of states at the country level and just not these local level reorganisations based upon political reasons. Let Govt of India appoint a New commission which should work out all the details of this reorganisation. Let there be a report and then this report be made public. Let there be debates on that report. In my my view that should be the way to do it and not the way this has been done so far...Let the whole nation be part of this reorganisation process. Divisions carried out in hurry to please few bring more troubles than they address..

Rajendra
 
Bhai reorganisation of the country in papers is a good idea. Language is the main factor to make different states. You can see almost all the states formed on the basis of language. In my opinion, whatever states are ok let them as it is and then take one by one. Reorganisation is a very extra ordinary project and that will take many years to decide and many years to implement. It may or may not be successful.

The second thing is part of western U.P. can be merged with State of Delhi or State of Haryana. Again still U. P. need one more divison. It is very complicated problem. Well it is up to you guys what ever you like do it. God bless you.
 
The organization of states on the basis of language probably was not the best idea. But then that is the past and we really can't change it. Why it was done on the basis of language, I have no answer to that. Probably low level of literecy may have been the main reason. If the division was not done on the basis of language then probably we would have Hindi as an accepted National language by now in the entire country and people would have had less divisive attitude. Culture of different region and way of life of different community may have been another reason. But in a union of different states, we need to have one language accpeted by all as the national language.

Reorganization of the states may be a tall order and may give opportunity to many people to lead the country to social fight and may be civil war. We as it is have so many organiztions undermining the authority of government.

Division of any state may not bring the desired results if the will is not there to improve. And if the will is there then the size of any state/district I think rarely is an obstacle. With means of communications available now, I am sure the bigger states can be managed more easily then in past. Yes division of UP will silence the people who are blaming the governments for undevelopment/underdevelopment of their areas on interest.
 
Ok, I am asking only one question. Why any Chief Minister in U.P. can not complete his full 5 year term. Bhai Colonel you are well settled. But just think about those students and qualified people who are without job. Due to sex ratio in the society, even no body is giving them their daughter. In any society this is my own research more female, less crime. More males, lots of crime. Anyway, we need smaller districts, small tehsils, blocks and smaller states. You can have viable states. But who will make it, leaders. They don't want to do that. First of all, I can't see a leader who can manage all that stuff. Some time I feel Mrs. Indira Gandhi, whenever she decided to remove any chief minister, she did within a short period. Constitutional Machinery failed in so and so state, Governor rule imposed. Anyway as on today everybody trying to discharge their duties as this is their burden. Nobody have interest for development.
 
sphougat said:
Ok, I am asking only one question. Why any Chief Minister in U.P. can not complete his full 5 year term.
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Suresh bhai,

Samajhne ki khoshish karo.

Uttar Pradesh is v.v.unique indeed. There is no other state like it in all of India. Especially, when you consider the demographic make up of it - whether it be religious, caste-based or regional based.

Agar sochoge tho - Haryana is not even close, nor MP, nor Rajasthan and certainly not any southie state.

Also, UP is host to the nation (and almost int'l) political hotbed that is the Ram Mandhir-Babri Masjid issue.

And for that reason, UP is different to all other states.

And frankly speaking, I think out of all leaders Mulayam is best placed out of all of them to complete 5 years & be successful in the post Babri period.

My views,

Regards,

RAM RAM.
 
sphougat said:
Ok, I am asking only one question. Why any Chief Minister in U.P. can not complete his full 5 year term. Bhai Colonel you are well settled. But just think about those students and qualified people who are without job. Due to sex ratio in the society, even no body is giving them their daughter. In any society this is my own research more female, less crime. More males, lots of crime. Anyway, we need smaller districts, small tehsils, blocks and smaller states. You can have viable states. But who will make it, leaders. They don't want to do that. First of all, I can't see a leader who can manage all that stuff. Some time I feel Mrs. Indira Gandhi, whenever she decided to remove any chief minister, she did within a short period. Constitutional Machinery failed in so and so state, Governor rule imposed. Anyway as on today everybody trying to discharge their duties as this is their burden. Nobody have interest for development.
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Dear Suresh Ji,

Division of state will not guarantee the full five year term for any CM in smaller state. Why a particular CM has not been able to complete a full five year term is because no party has been able to get the absolute majority and representatives of the people are salable for their personal interests. No single party has a political agenda which is appealable to the entire electoral college/ Voters. Under such circumstances it is more important to expose the weaknesses of these political leaders and try and find out viable alternative rather than divide the state and give all of them share of booty for complete five year term.

I have said in my earlier posts as well, that to become a viable political option and ensure stability, the leader has to come out with larger than the caste and and regional issues. He has to gain the confidence of the entire section of the voters across the party lines. Unfortunately the credibility of political leaders is so bad, and the money is playing such in important role that it is extremely difficult for any new leader to come up.

A movement like "Bhartiya Kisan Union" did come up but lost its cutting edge due to the power play with in the organization. They could not sustain the success they got. We need a very large hearted organization at the top, who can carry rich and poor, Jats and non Jats, weaks and strongs together through this difficult phase.

Again if you feel that the smaller states will create additional jobs, while that may be true, but for whom? The common man is unlikely to benefit from that. The jobs will still go to the relatives and supporters of these so called leaders and there will only be more of them. Such kind of poeple in any case get the job even now.

I understand the frustration of the youth and that is what is being exploited by these leaders for their personal gains.
 
Bhai public bahut badi chij hai. Jis din lath tha liya na, leader/seader lukte haande gai. Aur mujhe aisa lag raha hai, jab ki Ek bhai ne kah bi diya hai, ke laathi, goli face karne ke liye tayar raho.
 
Dear Suresh Phougat Ji,

I personally do not believe in Lathi, and Goli business. That is not the best way to solve any problem. And if we feel that is the best way then why did we fight those lathi goli in Punjab and why are we fighting the same thing in Kashmir, Nagaland, Asaam, Manipur and Mizoram?

I don't think we should encourage this kind of a solution. There are many people to instigate the youth and watch the fun. I would not like to be party to such things where the leaders sacrifice the youth to get their political ambition fullfilled. If you really want to raise Lathi and Goli, then raise it against Corruption, I think that is the need of the hour.
 
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