haryanavi the crudest dialect on this planet.

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The most striking feature of Haryana is its language itself; or rather, the manner in which it is spoken. Popularly known as Haryanavi (and ridiculously as Bangru or Jutu), it is perhaps the crudest dialect on this planet. Simply put, Haryanavi hurts.
Trying to speak Haryanavi can be fairly simple for he who speaks Hindi, but no one would really want to. It’s jarring. It’s crude. It’s also hilarious, if you look at it from the right angle. Trying going to Gurgaon from Delhi in a local (and smelly) bus, and you’ll know the difference.

My conclusion:
'Writer has gone through really bad times' :courtesy-JATS

A real life example:
I had a really short lecturer in my uni who must have been bullied by tall guys in his younger days. He was particularly bad towards me and couple of other tall guys in my class, without any reason.
 
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Thanks for the link Ravinder. I have sent an e-mail to the site owners to remove the comments at once and offer apologies. Let's see what action they take.
 
Take Care While Dealing With The Locals

Don’t ever try and argue with an elderly (possibly dhoti clad) man from Haryana. Commonly known as tau or uncle (can be the bus driver, shopkeeper, barber, butcher, local politician, house servant, whoever), he can turn real nasty before you can say "I’m sorry." And don’t worry if he abuses you too; it’s all in the language. Just don’t abuse him back if you’re from another country, or even from another state!
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Another interesting section...

Writer must be some Punjabi...they hate Haryanvi speaking guys..the max!

Long live Harynavi and long live TAUs!!
 
forget abt punjabis, even jats from other state dont like haryanvi.
 
whenever i see or hear such things i just enjoy it. :)
but see
i met here in bangal a student who have done his b tech from ku.
he told me that he wish he would have been a jat from haryana.he said that he can't tolerate anything against haryana .for four years he was like a guest there.(he showed me a diary full of meanings of haryanvi language.)
this is not possible anywhere else.
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people of haryana just can not be matched.but problem with the world is that we people do not pay attention to too much formalities.(we can call anyone by tu)
haryana is like a coconut.
hard from out side and sweet from inside.
aur navin bhai teri guess bahut hi badhiya hai.you must be right.panjabi. :)
jai haryana ,jai haryanvi.
 
if you read the whole article
it says wrong not only about haryana
but our country also ,it seems that this
site has been developed by some frustrated
nri ,who has been given a ride by one of our tau
or any jat bhai
anyways what this site says is totally rubbish
and we should not concentrate on this
rest everybody knows what Jats are
 
I hope the writer has a run in with some Haryanvi once again (and looks like it may happen sooner than later if the person persists with this language debate!)....and by gosh hope the Haryanvi tramples him thru the holy dialect dust and grinds whatever cultural confusion there exists, out of him completely and once and for all :cool: !!!
 
Bhaiyon, Haryanvi language is like Dessi ka pauaa...sabse yeh language enjoy nahi ki ja saktee...damdar logon ki damdar bhasa hai yeh...I just love it.

RK^2
 
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Guys …chill! Its evident that the tone of the entire write up is very sour and its likely that the writer must have had some encounter of some sort with a haryanvi jat.
But take a look at the facts…….lets not be biased (being a Jat we won’t tolerate anything against it….understandable)
Isn’t language a striking feature of Haryana? And don’t you think the dialect is crude (lath sa mare sae :) ). I concur with this opinion but mind you not with the intention its written with, the negative feeling it entails. The key bone of contention is when he says ‘it hurts’ and ‘no one would want to speak haryanvi’.
Speaking for myself I’m also a jat from haryana and would abhor any such thing which hurts our pride. I love my language. The dialect is superb. It gives a feeling of 'rough and tough'..which so true of a typical jat. Kati dhooma tha de sae! :D
 
Tone and wordings of a language has to do a lot with the profession of people. In trade and diplomacy they need deceptive and sweet language. I a straight forward profession like farming where one had to deal with jhotta and beils most of the time, one gets used to rough and lathmar language. This is why haryanvi and western UP hindi is called khadi bolli also. Language spoken around Bawli in western UP is even harder than Haryanvi. ..khair kuch bhi ho, upne me me unique language hai...nothing like this anywhere in the world..

RK^2
 
manne isi-2 baatan pe ghana cho uthya kare....i just can't stand it....who the hell are they to say anything abt our language....college me kade koe jaatan ke baare me kuch ulta kah diya karta te main nahi chodya karti usne..i just love my language and i'm proud of it.....
 
rkumar said:
Tone and wordings of a language has to do a lot with the profession of people. In trade and diplomacy they need deceptive and sweet language. I a straight forward profession like farming where one had to deal with jhotta and beils most of the time, one gets used to rough and lathmar language. This is why haryanvi and western UP hindi is called khadi bolli also.
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jib kissi aalsi tai kaam kurwana pade to lath naa to lath mar boli honi chahiye..jo kaan se khade hoja..

I think that's a good argument about the origins of the this dialect.. This goes in general between poor and rich.. afterall sanskar kee chinta bhee tabhee hoti hai jub pet bhura ho..

but people are in to farming all over the world, south india for example, still they are soft spoken.
Language spoken around Bawli in western UP is even harder than Haryanvi.
RK^2
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Bawli kee boli mai aisa kya khas hai,,, muzhe to kuch naya nahee lagta.. "des" walo kee boli me..aapka koi experience lagta hai.

I more comment:

I think Jat's in haryana are specially hard to strangers. Gao me jib char jane baith kai hoka piye.. to to rus saa ghula rah juban me.. waise UP me khuch urdu ke sabd chalte hai.. uska kuch fayad hota hai I think.
 
shwetashokeen said:
manne isi-2 baatan pe ghana cho uthya kare....i just can't stand it....who the hell are they to say anything abt our language....college me kade koe jaatan ke baare me kuch ulta kah diya karta te main nahi chodya karti usne..i just love my language and i'm proud of it.....
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Ah ha !!! Now we are talking...This is one tough "take no nonsense", "I'll shoot
when I please" Jatni we can ever hope to find this side of the Pacific !

You go girl !!!
 
I guess it goes without saying that we all love this language...and those
of us who have some facility with it can testify to its immense powers
of communication as well as intimidation.

I completely disagree with any statement that the language is "lath maar". I do
not think that the language is "lath maar". I think the people who speak it
are "laath maar". And since these two are closely associated, the language itself
has taken on the "lath maar" qualities.

I believe I can say the same things in Haryanvi without appearing as "lath maar".
A lot just depends on the tone and inflection. Try the following:

"Bhai, mada sa sarak eeye. Tunnae tae saari seat gher raakhi sae."

I can say the same thing very politely and courteously as well as in a very
"in your face" manner as well. For a Hindi, but non-haryanvi speaker,
the only bone of contention here might be the use of the word "tunnae".
But I think that stems from inbuilt bias in Hindi speakers against "tu",
"tunnae" etc. If that bias was not there, there is nothing wrong with the words
themselves. Most of our folks use "tu", "tunae" etc for their parents and so on.
I mean if we tell an Angrez guy that "tunnae" means "you", that's all it
will imply to him, right ?

So don't buy these arguments about our language being "lath maar". It
simply ain't true. We are "lath maar".

That aside, the quality of a language is judged by its ability
to communicate and express. If anyone can argue that Haryanvi falls
short in anyways in that arena, I'd like to hear it.
 
raj_rathee said:
So don't buy these arguments about our language being "lath maar". It
simply ain't true. We are "lath maar".
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True! But we can’t segregate speakers from the language or the dialect per se. Its seen in totality and that’s the reason its perceived as crude or ‘lath maar’.
 
raj_rathee said:
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That aside, the quality of a language is judged by its ability
to communicate and express. If anyone can argue that Haryanvi falls
short in anyways in that arena, I'd like to hear it.
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Rathi Bhai,

Language is nothing but coded sound. Quality of sound to ears is very important as that decides the final effect. Ultimate judge of the quality of language is the person who listens. Adding notes to spoken language certainly makes it soothing or hard to ears. May be this is why you won't hear of classical singers in Haryanvi language....LOL.. I think every language has its plus points. If Urdu is good for gazals and shairee, english is good for technical writing. Think of medicine being taught in Hindi or Haryanvi... This can be illustrated further by comparing with computer languages I suppose. So in conclusion, Haryan serves its purpose for the people who speak it and for the purpose they speak it. It coveys the message most effectively....same thing can not be conveyed so effectively in Urdu.

RK^2
 
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poonam said:
True! But we can’t segregate speakers from the language or the dialect per se. Its seen in totality and that’s the reason its perceived as crude or ‘lath maar’.
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Oh absolutely ! Like I said that association exists. So in terms of the "perception",
the language itself is seen to be "lath maar". But it ain't really.

Now, let me step back and be critical of my own thoughts.

If we "lath maar" haryanvees started solely speaking another language, would
it become "lath maar" ? That's is an interesting question, isn't it ?
If the answer is "no", then I am completely wrong.
 
rkumar said:
Rathi Bhai,

Language is nothing but coded sound. Quality of sound to ears is very important as that decides the final effect. Ultimate judge of the quality of language is the person who listens. Adding notes to spoken language certainly makes it soothing or hard to ears. May be this is why you won't hear of classical singers in Haryanvi language....LOL

RK^2
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Yuup...Gotta agree with that. That's absolutely true.
And, as an aside, thank God (or the equivalent for atheists), we don't have
any classical singers.....
:D
 
raj_rathee said:
If we "lath maar" haryanvees started solely speaking another language, would
it become "lath maar" ? That's is an interesting question, isn't it ?
If the answer is "no", then I am completely wrong.
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Indeed an interesting question and unpredictable too! Hard to say what would be the answer?

A haryanvi jat of ‘tu kae aade DC lag rya sae’ fame starts speaking urdu which is considered a very polite language (lets consider Indian languages only here…) ‘janaab pehle aap’…looks weird…hard to imagine. There you are right.
But then perhaps a haryanvi speaking jat who is conditioned and adapted to a different , more ‘sophisticated' environment might end up speaking very refined urdu and still harsh haryanvi.
That’s the whole crux. Its not an isolated effect and there is a significant contribution from the styles and the mannerism and usage of words in any particular language as well. So its also gotta do with what language you are speaking, to some extent.
 
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