Hooda - Clean? - Not Really

[mukeshkumar007]

Dont give me this hypocritic lecture bhai mukesh.
Jo karega so bharega .
Yo ganjaliya kise ho nai kuchh bhi likh de hai
ya galat baat nahin.
Yaar be fair wo ab shayad waapas bhi na aaye
bechari shruti
we lost a family member because of this guy

Kehi wo family member aap hi to nahi ho..

Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatey hain aur forums mein posting shuru kar dete hain....

Naveen Bhi aapne ek din apne apne ek post maie keha tha na ki jatlad par jo shanti hai wo tufaan ke ane ke pehle ka sanati hai .... to wo tufaan aa gaya hai....

moderator soo rehe hongee.....

 

[itsnavin]

Naveen Bhi aapne ek din apne apne ek post maie keha tha na ki jatlad par jo shanti hai wo tufaan ke ane ke pehle ka sanati hai .... to wo tufaan aa gaya hai....

moderator soo rehe hongee.....

Haan Mukesh..lagta hai Kuldeep mein mera sentence seriously le gya...aur yahan jatland mein kood pada...I think...usne nyon na bera ki hadey bade-bade 'khooraatt' bethey sain....

 

[ramksehrawat]

It appears as if the members of jatland have decided to pass judgement in the dowry case even before the court does ? Jat community is so small that you talk to anyone for 5 minutes and you are related to him. Bhai Hooda bhi apne hain aur Geeta bhi apni hi hai par is tarah public forum pe iss tarah ki language use karne se apni badnami khud kyon karwa rahe ho. Bahar wale aap ki ye langauge padh kar sari jat community ko badnam karenge. Kucch chhote bade ki sharam to honi chahiye. I urge all members to calm down. Rajendraji has been a respected and cool headed member of this forum and use of harsh words by members is really unfortunate and disgusting.

Shruti beta, this is not the way to make entry in a public forum. You may be having your own reasons to criticize one party and support the other. If you are so confident that Hoodas have done wrong to Geeta and if you have any proof of what you have written, I think the best course for you would be to be a witness in the case against Hoodas.

 

[ramksehrawat]

And you changed your ID to write just all this....????? have guts my friend and come in open...tell me who exactly you are...

RK^2

I think the initiative taken by Rajendraji on everybody having their photo had its merit. Photograph, name of village etc. in profile should be made compulsory.

 

[mukeshkumar007]

I think the initiative taken by Rajendraji on everybody having their photo had its merit. Photograph, name of village etc. in profile should be made compulsory.

Yes Uncleji, all member really should post their photo and details. In my views administrator should take needful action in this regard to avoid such accident in future...

 

[rkumar]

Yes Uncleji, all member really should post their photo and details. In my views administrator should take needful action in this regard to avoid such accident in future...

More than identity, it helps us to know each other more closely. As far as such incidents are concerned, I don't think we should take them to our hearts. In a large family like Jatland, such things can not be avoided completely.. Honestly it never perturbs me...LOL

RK^2

 

[dhruvdahiya]

YES Hooda is better than so many others

I have no doubt that Mr B S hooda [CM] is a gentleman and comparatively more honest and dignified than many other who have ruled the state in past. Where is the doubt?



Due respect

 

[positivelook]

dowry issue

hello all

I would like to request to Mr. Rajender jee and Dhirender Bhaisaab that please dont take these things personal. As we all know Jatland site is a site for jats to give their views only not making decisions here. So its better everyone just give their views about tht issue and dont start personal war. So i think we already had so much talks on this dowry case against our CM tht i think we have to stop somewhere. Rahi baat court se decision aane ki toh woh bhee aata rahega.

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

 

[positivelook]

hello all

I would like to request to Mr. Rajender jee and Dhirender Bhaisaab that please dont take these things personal. As we all know Jatland site is a site for jats to give their views only not making decisions here. So its better everyone just give their views about tht issue and dont start personal war. So i think we already had so much talks on this dowry case against our CM tht i think we have to stop somewhere. Rahi baat court se decision aane ki toh woh bhee aata rahega.

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

 

[raj2rif]

I am amazed!!!!!!!

I am amazed to see the language used by some of the members on this forum. I am also disturbed about the line of defense taken to keep the discussion out of this site.

What is wrong if this dowry case is discussed here. People have their own views on the issues and should be free to post it here. We don't want any thing that casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders to be posted here, while we don't mind all the discussion that goes on about Mr. Gandhi and Nehru and othe leaders here.

Some times I feel, that are we really free? Let us not make some one criminal by an incident that is still to be decided in the court and at the same time let us not make some one a National Hero for about 100 days plus good governance.

As a community members I wish good luck to Mr. Hooda and hope that he sets some good example of governance to which we all can be proud of. But we must also remember that if we don't point out mistakes if he makes one, then we will be harming him rather than helping.

Criticism if it hurts it was well deserved:

Kabir Das has also said

Nindak Niere Rahkiye, Angan Kuti Chavai
Bin Sabun Pani Bina, Nirmal Kare Suhai.

What Shruti had written to start this thread was what she must have read or heard in public. What we are also writing is with the same authenticity.

Rajendra Ji, you in your reply to Shruti's Post had written that if she was the witness to the entire episode. Well we all write on this forum about the personalities and subjects that happened when we were not even born. If that be the logic of posting any thing on this forum, then probably we would only be writing personal stories rather than discussing any thing.

Whatever be the case, we need to be more tolerant and respectful to all members irrespective of his/her age. I guess the dignity and respect is dear to all of us and needs to be preserved and protected by all of us.

 

[dahiyarules]

Well I was just not amused by the kind of language used against the elders. This site is not just for open discussions of issues and ideas, but it is also a means of enhancing the culture and traditions that have bound together and defined the Jat community over the ages. And the basic pillar of my whole argument is that no matter what, we have to be respectful to the elders, no matter what. Once again, we must be grateful for all the highly experienced elders to even part of this forum. Wihtout them this forum is going to be like home without any foundations.

By the way I very honestly have tried quite a few times to change my picture on the profile, but it wont let me do it. I have even deleted the current picture off the file, but to no avail. I think that I will have to upload the picture to my own personal web server and give a URL on my profile, if nothing else works out.

Thanks everyone, for your worthy inputs

 

[rkumar]

I.........
What Shruti had written to start this thread was what she must have read or heard in public. What we are also writing is with the same authenticity.

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

 

[rameshlakra]

Poor Show By Hooda

dowry or no dowry ........par jab sey hooda saab aaye hai bahadurgarh mein tey bijali arr pani kee kasuti shortage pad gee sey.

Chautala key raaj mein 5 saal itne bijali nahi gayee jitnee in 5/6 mahina mein ja lee sey, pani ka tey katiye bhunda haal sey.

humney socha thaa hooda area ka development karawe ga par yaade te " JO THAA US TEY BHEE GAYEY"

ghana bhunda haal karegey log jey ingaaney aa gya tey...........

He has actually showed up much below expectations.

 

[raj2rif]

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Well, we all right on various issues as "Some Facts" including the incidents that had happened in past probably many years ago when we were born. By any one writing the language "Some Facts" does not make allegations into charges. As a successful political leader, Mr. Hooda would be subjected to many more allegations (I had written in my post earlier also), The question I am raising is of snubbing some one or not snubbing someone. We really don't know what the intent of the person would be. If a case in court does not make an allegation as an offense it also does not make allegations as baseless either. That has never been my question. What I am trying to get to is that when ever any discussion casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders be it Mr. Hooda, Mr. Ajit Singh, Mr. Chautal or for that matter any one else, we just don't want to discuss the issue and rather discourage it. On the contratry, we don't mind mudslinging our leaders from other communities, even though they have achieved more recognition in the world than our community leaders. At that point we conclude that our leaders had not been publicised by the Brahaman/ Bania Community. In my opinion, the subject could still be discussed and if some one has the facts available then must present it and let the members make their own conclusions.
If Shruti has written the word "Some Facts" we could ask her the sources of her information. Similarly, we would request you to give some facts if available with you (I am sure probably you would be having a first hand knowledge of the case as compared to any other members because of your close relationship with Mr. Hooda).
I only hope I have been able to make my point clear. We just need information on this forum. We are not passing any judgement here. If you have any information on this issue, let us share it. Probably that would clear the doubts of many members who may have little knowledge about Mr. Hooda.

 

[rkumar]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Well, we all right on various issues as "Some Facts" including the incidents that had happened in past probably many years ago when we were born. By any one writing the language "Some Facts" does not make allegations into charges. As a successful political leader, Mr. Hooda would be subjected to many more allegations (I had written in my post earlier also), The question I am raising is of snubbing some one or not snubbing someone. We really don't know what the intent of the person would be. If a case in court does not make an allegation as an offense it also does not make allegations as baseless either. That has never been my question. What I am trying to get to is that when ever any discussion casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders be it Mr. Hooda, Mr. Ajit Singh, Mr. Chautal or for that matter any one else, we just don't want to discuss the issue and rather discourage it. On the contratry, we don't mind mudslinging our leaders from other communities, even though they have achieved more recognition in the world than our community leaders. At that point we conclude that our leaders had not been publicised by the Brahaman/ Bania Community. In my opinion, the subject could still be discussed and if some one has the facts available then must present it and let the members make their own conclusions.
If Shruti has written the word "Some Facts" we could ask her the sources of her information. Similarly, we would request you to give some facts if available with you (I am sure probably you would be having a first hand knowledge of the case as compared to any other members because of your close relationship with Mr. Hooda).
I only hope I have been able to make my point clear. We just need information on this forum. We are not passing any judgement here. If you have any information on this issue, let us share it. Probably that would clear the doubts of many members who may have little knowledge about Mr. Hooda.

Tavathia Sahab,

I am really keen that we have a debate now on the issues. I have already defined the points pertaining to the issues raised under this thread. I suppose this is what members wanted. I hope members will contribute meaningfully to the debate rather than making allegations about individuals. May be you can start with your views on the points in my post.

RK^2

 

[ozyjat]

I think some of our members are getting carried away here.I someone wants to discuss something please feel free to start a new thread instead of creating a sub-thread.

We have no right to discourage or disrespect someone.Shruti can have a say if she wants to and so she did, and all we can do is agree or disagree with her and post our view.We have no right to make direct comments on anyone.

A CM is a public figure.We the people of the state have the right to criticize him or applaud him.

And I personally beleive critics are your best friends.Jab Mr.CM ye case jeet jayenge tab sabke muh apne aap band ho jayenge with all due respect Rajender Uncle ji hum kis-2 ki jubaan pakrenge.Log to bolte hi hain, unka kaam hai bolna.

Ab koi bura maane to sau baar mano maine sach kaha hai aur kuchh nahin.

JAi ram ji ki

Tavathia Sahab,

I am really keen that we have a debate now on the issues. I have already defined the points pertaining to the issues raised under this thread. I suppose this is what memmers wanted. I hope member will contribute meaningfully to the debate rather than making allegations about individuals. May be you can start with your views on the points in my post.

RK^2

 

[dhruvdahiya]

Right

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Well, we all right on various issues as "Some Facts" including the incidents that had happened in past probably many years ago when we were born. By any one writing the language "Some Facts" does not make allegations into charges. As a successful political leader, Mr. Hooda would be subjected to many more allegations (I had written in my post earlier also), The question I am raising is of snubbing some one or not snubbing someone. We really don't know what the intent of the person would be. If a case in court does not make an allegation as an offense it also does not make allegations as baseless either. That has never been my question. What I am trying to get to is that when ever any discussion casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders be it Mr. Hooda, Mr. Ajit Singh, Mr. Chautal or for that matter any one else, we just don't want to discuss the issue and rather discourage it. On the contratry, we don't mind mudslinging our leaders from other communities, even though they have achieved more recognition in the world than our community leaders. At that point we conclude that our leaders had not been publicised by the Brahaman/ Bania Community. In my opinion, the subject could still be discussed and if some one has the facts available then must present it and let the members make their own conclusions.
If Shruti has written the word "Some Facts" we could ask her the sources of her information. Similarly, we would request you to give some facts if available with you (I am sure probably you would be having a first hand knowledge of the case as compared to any other members because of your close relationship with Mr. Hooda).
I only hope I have been able to make my point clear. We just need information on this forum. We are not passing any judgement here. If you have any information on this issue, let us share it. Probably that would clear the doubts of many members who may have little knowledge about Mr. Hooda.

Absolutely right you are uncle ji. No harm in discussing things in a decent manner.


Due respect

 

[rkumar]

All I hear is that we should discuss. However, I see not a single member adding to debate. Based upon the merits of the case, I have put up five points. Please give your views on the points. Won't that be the proper debate ? As mentioned earler, let us debate the points raised seriously before we announce the verdict.. There is no point in talking vague stuff.

RK^2

 

[dhruvdahiya]

Here is the reply to your points raised

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

Respected Rajendra uncle ji,


Why get angry on small things? Here is the reply to your points:

1] No

2] No, but on conviction by a court he/she must if is worth his/her salt.

3] Depends upon the grounds advanced for seeking divorce[ criminal assault can be there,Demand of Dowry may be another and Torture may be yet another......yes in such circumstances a person should not be allowed to travel abroad in case a slight prima-faci appears.]

4] Again it should be linked to the gravity of the case, which should only be decided by court.

5] Save as in 3 above.


What next now...........Again these all points are in context of Hoodas.I have already taken a position that Unless court declares Mr B S hooda guilty, then only we should talk ill of him else we have no business to drag him out here saying he is a public figure.[in that case discuss his goodness also]... we can and must discuss any body but let us be objective and not subjective in our approach.I am sure that he is not a notorious person for sure.


Due respect

 

[raj2rif]

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

Dear Rajendra Ji,

In my opinion by laying down few points of discussion is only going to narrow the vision of the people discussing the issue. Such things are done in a forum where is some one is conducting a discussion and has a say in channalizing it. I personally, feel that people should be able to express themselves, without using any unparliamentry language.

You have asked certain questions in your post. All are legal questions and thus will have definite answers. If the answer is definite then there is no discussion. All we can then discuss is the law governing these questions. Any way I will try and give my opinion on the questions raised, which may or may not conform to the law of the land, since this is a personal opinion.

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

Ans: Absolutely not for allegations are not the proof of offense. However, if some one is in a position where he/she can influence the investigations, or judgement, then probably holding such a position may become unethical in the absolute term. Since our political system is such where the person making allegations may not be held accountable for the loss to the state, quitting offices merely based on allegations may not be the right thing to do. However, if some allegations were made against leaders like Mayawati, Laloo Yadav or any one who is not from our community, I am positive many of us would have wanted them to resign from their positions, so that free and fair investigations can take place. Now specifically in Mr. Hooda's case, the allegations were made prior to him becoming the CM. Thus the public by an elarge feels that he is innocent which is right thing to do at the moment. Let us assume all innocent unless proved otherwise. The best thing Mr. Hooda can do is to assist investigating agencies to speed up the finalization of this case fairly.

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

Ans: I have already answered this question along with the first question.

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

Ans: There is no harm for some one to travel abroad if a case of this nature is pending agains him/her, however, it must be ensured that person's travel abroad does not slow down the judicial process. Usually, if the case is of criminal nature, then may be court may issue order for person to stay inland.

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

Ans: Again issue of passport may not be the material thing. However if person had no plans to go abroad, at the time of offense being committed or the date of allegations of an offense being committed and if the person is suddenly trying to obtain the passport and trying to go abroad, then off course it sounds grey. May be in that case passport should only be issued by ensuring either by some kind of bail/bond that the person would be available for investigations.

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

Ans: I am of the opinion, that since the case is in the court, and we don't yet know whether the charges are merely allegations or actual offense, denying some one his / her work aborad or any where for that matter may be insjustice to him / her. However at the same time, it must be ensured that the person so involved is available for the investigations at the time and place decided by the investigating agency.

Well these are my personal views. I personally feel that the case in question can not be discussed in a question answer form. I have tried to do my best to answer these questions.

I would like to request members to post the information about the case if they have some thing available and the sources of their information to make their post meaningful. Merely by making allegations or snubbing some one would only be in bad taste.