Hooda - Clean? - Not Really

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Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra
Let me express my view on the points highlighted:
1. No...ofcourse not. Court rulings in India are very lengthy and slow...in these cases there should be fast paced courts so that alleged person shouldn't suffer for long if he/she hasn't done anything worng.

2. Why not? Yes, he should be allowed. but if he's found guilt afterwards by court, his services should either be suspended or terminated as per govt. rules.

3. Again...yes. He should be allowed to travel abroad. Divorce case is not a criminal case. so...the guy can travel abroad. But he should report as soon as he's summoned by court. And if he doesn't turn up, Indian law already has enough provision to issue non-bailable warrants against that guy and get him via interpol or whatever agency. Criminals shouldn't be allowed to leave the country. It's same as they are doing with Abu Salem. It's a slow process and should be expedited.

4. Holding a Passport is a fundamental right of an Indian citizen. Why he should be deprived of this facility. But there are some pending criminal cases against the person, a police inquiry should be done to verify it and in that case it's not worth to issue a passport.

5. It depends. If the court finds out that there are some authentic eyewitnesses to the case, court may not grant bail. Granting a bail doesn't mean that the accused is freed from all allegations. Also there are some signed terms and conditions while granting a bail. These can't be easily overlooked.

Navin
 
rkumar said:
Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

1. Everybody is innocent unless proved otherwise in a court of law.
2. No. Otherwise nobody would be able to hold any office. After every election half of the population of India would be found qued up in courts filing court cases against each other on flimsy grounds. : "Issne muje maa bahan ki gaali dee" is also a valid ground to file a case. Hence, 100% jats would become ineligible to hold office.

3. Not at all. Almost half of our film stars, businessmen, sports stars whom we worship like gods are travelling all over the world during pendency of divorce proceedings. However, care should be taken that the party travelling/residing abroad make himself/herself available whenever required to decide the case.

4. If there is no restriction on travelling, why passport be denied ?

5. If muderers are given bail, why injustice to people faced with divorce cases. Until proved guilty everyone has the right to lead normal life.

As regards discussion, we can discuss the issue of "dowry" and its adverse impact on our community. Yes, I am of the view that this evil is eating into the moral of our community. Some people stoop so low when they have a marriageable boys that they behave like arrogant beggers. However, there are some "kahndani" jats who would not accept more than what is required ritually.

However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.

When we discuss about other personalities like Gandhis and Nehrus, our comments are based on the literary knowledge. We are not omnipresent and most of the time we base our arguments on what we have read or heard. But in the case of Mr. Hooda's dowry case, not sufficient information has become available in press or otherwise except the allegations. Hence, the case does not fall in the "free-for-all discussion" and it would be prudent to wait for the judgement.
 
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That is Exactly What We want to Know

However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.

When we discuss about other personalities like Gandhis and Nehrus, our comments are based on the literary knowledge. We are not omnipresent and most of the time we base our arguments on what we have read or heard. But in the case of Mr. Hooda's dowry case, not sufficient information has become available in press or otherwise except the allegations. Hence, the case does not fall in the "free-for-all discussion" and it would be prudent to wait for the judgement.


Dear Sehrawat Ji,

That is exactly my point of discussion is. If you or any one else knows some thing about the case, then let us share it with members. Why stop some one from sharing the information what he / she has got from where ever he/she has got. I would rather ask those memebers about the sources of their information rather than snubbing them. And by the way why are we so sensitive on mere allegations against our community leaders?
 
There is nothing to discuss here on

raj2rif said:
However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.

When we discuss about other personalities like Gandhis and Nehrus, our comments are based on the literary knowledge. We are not omnipresent and most of the time we base our arguments on what we have read or heard. But in the case of Mr. Hooda's dowry case, not sufficient information has become available in press or otherwise except the allegations. Hence, the case does not fall in the "free-for-all discussion" and it would be prudent to wait for the judgement.


Dear Sehrawat Ji,

That is exactly my point of discussion is. If you or any one else knows some thing about the case, then let us share it with members. Why stop some one from sharing the information what he / she has got from where ever he/she has got. I would rather ask those memebers about the sources of their information rather than snubbing them. And by the way why are we so sensitive on mere allegations against our community leaders?


Respected Virendra uncle ji,

You are absolutely right and so is R K uncle ji. There is nothing to discuss on this topic as it seems being draged purposlessly.

Due respect
 
ramksehrawat said:
1. Everybody is innocent unless proved otherwise in a court of law.
2. No. Otherwise nobody would be able to hold any office. After every election half of the population of India would be found qued up in courts filing court cases against each other on flimsy grounds. : "Issne muje maa bahan ki gaali dee" is also a valid ground to file a case. Hence, 100% jats would become ineligible to hold office.

3. Not at all. Almost half of our film stars, businessmen, sports stars whom we worship like gods are travelling all over the world during pendency of divorce proceedings. However, care should be taken that the party travelling/residing abroad make himself/herself available whenever required to decide the case.

4. If there is no restriction on travelling, why passport be denied ?

5. If muderers are given bail, why injustice to people faced with divorce cases. Until proved guilty everyone has the right to lead normal life.

As regards discussion, we can discuss the issue of "dowry" and its adverse impact on our community. Yes, I am of the view that this evil is eating into the moral of our community. Some people stoop so low when they have a marriageable boys that they behave like arrogant beggers. However, there are some "kahndani" jats who would not accept more than what is required ritually.

However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.
well said uncleji,
 
rkumar said:
Dear Dhiren,

I am sorry that my post to Shruti appeared like a browbeat to you. Trust me, same appears about your these comments..where you are almost isssuing like a court order to me..

RK^2

"Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened."

"Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey."

Only if a neutral opinion was asked for, let me give mine.....

1. Rajendraji, I too felt the way Dhiren felt.
2. Dhiren's statements did not sound like a court order.

and yes.....

"India dowry law makes life so difficult for boy and his family. "
What about the girl and her family??? ....their suffering ?????

regards,
$umit
 
bhai ye sab padh ke to yun lagge ki Jat Hooda ko hata ke rahenge. Pakka Bhajan Lal awega do char mahenne me. manne to sharam aawe se bhai en jattan ki bhasa padh ke. Bollan ki tameez tak konnya. tabhi to sab nafrat kran se mahre se.

Karan
 
karans said:
bhai ye sab padh ke to yun lagge ki Jat Hooda ko hata ke rahenge. Pakka Bhajan Lal awega do char mahenne me. manne to sharam aawe se bhai en jattan ki bhasa padh ke. Bollan ki tameez tak konnya. tabhi to sab nafrat kran se mahre se.

Karan

let me tell you this, nobody hates us ....its just we have developed this mentality. Its pretty sad dude.
:-(
n yes, I dont think i 'ever' wrote anything sub-standard.


$umit
 
kharku said:
Meri samajh main nyu na aanti CM individual kyukar ho gya, marya susra kaal tahin to bote mangta handya karta ghar ghar, Arr wo to mhari state nai represent kara hai, to individual kit ka rhya.
Isliye bhaiyon aur bahanon jisne jo kahna ho kaho jo likhna ho likho koye rokaniya nahin.

Bhai teri battan padh ke to manne Jatton pe sharam aan lagee. Tere jissa gadha to manne aaj tak ne dekha jo CM ko bhi Susra keh sakke hai. Tu katai peeche ka lagge hai manne.

Karan
 
kharku said:
Meri samajh main nyu na aanti CM individual kyukar ho gya, marya susra kaal tahin to bote mangta handya karta ghar ghar, Arr wo to mhari state nai represent kara hai, to individual kit ka rhya.
Isliye bhaiyon aur bahanon jisne jo kahna ho kaho jo likhna ho likho koye rokaniya nahin.
Bhai Kuldeep
Iss dowry ke case mein, CM is an individual. Ms. Geeta Grewal has filed a complaint against Hooda and family not against Haryana. Also, court will treat him like individual not as CM. I think, if Mr. Hooda wants to close this case, he can do it in minutes as he's everything now(Power & access to judiciary etc) but I think he wants fair judgement from Court. Let's see...who is guilty?
 
kharku said:
Meri samajh main nyu na aanti CM individual kyukar ho gya, marya susra kaal tahin to bote mangta handya karta ghar ghar, Arr wo to mhari state nai represent kara hai, to individual kit ka rhya.
Isliye bhaiyon aur bahanon jisne jo kahna ho kaho jo likhna ho likho koye rokaniya nahin.

Dear Mr. Kuldeep Singh

That is the problem with us. We can not digest the freedom. Freedom of speech does not mean that we use unparliamentry language for others whether they are present to defend themselves here or not. The language we use for others reflects our own personalty. I would appreciate if we can confine ourselves to the dignified language. You can post your views, but kindly use dignified language. It is a request and I am sure you would appreciate it.
 
sir

rkumar said:
Bhai baat sun meri eb..upne ko agar jiada soorma ban raha hai naa to date or jagah decide kar le...fer dekhte hain tere ltter kitne majboot hain...naam pata de de upna..tere gaon me bhi aa jaunga...and let us us leave it here..

RK^2
Your contribution to this site and for a national cause (cancer hospital) is great.Pl dont let yourself down by unjustified post by the members- just ignore them.
Also , in your earlier post /thread you had credited present government for the infrastructure development like highways,canals etc that is due to your affliation towards Congress.
Regards -Achal Singh
 
achalsingh said:
Your contribution to this site and for a national cause (cancer hospital) is great.Pl dont let yourself down by unjustified post by the members- just ignore them.
Also , in your earlier post /thread you had credited present government for the infrastructure development like highways,canals etc that is due to your affliation towards Congress.
Regards -Achal Singh


Achal Singh Ji,

It really hurts when not so useful issues are debated in great length and breadth and good deeds of the same very people find little mention. Not a word of praise for Mr Hooda when he got Honda workers issue sorted our within few days. Not a word on how media played dirty during Gurgaon violence reprting. All we have time is to dig old news paper reports and posting allegations against a person. Any way its upto members to say what all they wish to say. I have decided to keep away from all such threads. I will try to focus only something more constructive.

Thanks and Regards
Rajendra
 
Sir,

rkumar said:
Achal Singh Ji,

It really hurts when not so useful issues are debated in great length and breadth and good deeds of the same very people find little mention. Not a word of praise for Mr Hooda when he got Honda workers issue sorted our within few days. Not a word on how media played dirty during Gurgaon violence reprting. All we have time is to dig old news paper reports and posting allegations against a person. Any way its upto members to say what all they wish to say. I have decided to keep away from all such threads. I will try to focus only something more constructive.

Thanks and Regards
Rajendra
Yes, media had played the dirty role in gurgaon case. A senior police officer is bitten by so called peaceful demonstraters that led to police assault.The scope of trade unions ,dharnas had to be discussed/debated in this industralised world.Regards-Achal Singh
 
More than half the battle has been won by Hooda Sahab. A man guilty of the charges as have been levelled against him would never appear in person in the court that too when he is holding such an important post.
 
U R Right Sir

ramksehrawat said:
More than half the battle has been won by Hooda Sahab. A man guilty of the charges as have been levelled against him would never appear in person in the court that too when he is holding such an important post.


SEhrawat sahab.....please don't get bogged down in dhoondh. Mr BS hooda is a gentleman and a simple soul. Yahan log tamasha kar rahe hein. You R bang on target. Keep it up!


LIKE YOU HELL OF A LOT
 
ur right

sumitsehrawat said:
let me tell you this, nobody hates us ....its just we have developed this mentality. Its pretty sad dude.
:-(
n yes, I dont think i 'ever' wrote anything sub-standard.


$umit


thERE ARE SOME DIRTY ELEMENT WHO WANT TO SETTLE THEIR PERSONAL SCORES WITH jatland. kICK THEM PLEASE. dON'T BEG AS JATS DON'T DO THAT.kICK SUCH ELEMENTS AND THEY WILL VANISH. Bang on regardless.



Remain in high spirits......it is our site. be proud of it!
 
let these peoples limit to themselves

gud-de everyone,

I just wanna add few more bits-n-bytes to this war of words that plz. don`t reply to any of such filthy threads and instead we should just keep on providing our views on good affairs rather then pulling each other legs with having our own pants down to ground.......

"issey maanas tau behind da scene hi bol aur rah saktey hain, ar jey aisseey ko kahin bhi haque ki baat karni pad jaye tau 20-30 rupaiyee de K kam kadhwawe ga, ya fer kutt chhit K jaata rawhega....

So plz. don`t even bother about such threads and they will vanish themselves or just limit `em to themselves...

Cheers everyone 0(";")0
 
Matlab ki baat

dreamz0802 said:
gud-de everyone,

I just wanna add few more bits-n-bytes to this war of words that plz. don`t reply to any of such filthy threads and instead we should just keep on providing our views on good affairs rather then pulling each other legs with having our own pants down to ground.......

"issey maanas tau behind da scene hi bol aur rah saktey hain, ar jey aisseey ko kahin bhi haque ki baat karni pad jaye tau 20-30 rupaiyee de K kam kadhwawe ga, ya fer kutt chhit K jaata rawhega....

So plz. don`t even bother about such threads and they will vanish themselves or just limit `em to themselves...

Cheers everyone 0(";")0


Bhai re Kutyan ke bare mei Lakh rapiye ki baat keh di. Shabash chhore!
 
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