How far have we (JATS) come:

Forget the ideal girl in todays cicumstances !!
It was only in the times of our previous generation that a girl used to stick by his husband and his family in whatever may come.
Girls todays are hell lot different and demanding ! From the first day of marriage they start ploying about how to get the guy away from his family.
They are not interested in the family but just the guy!! Mother and sister in law as long as visible are a continuous pain for them !!

Further to add to the guy's woes are the outdated laws on marriage which support the girls blindfolded !!

I understand ur concern here Amit and that's one of the reason I mentioned good morals......I totally agree with you that girls today have very limited patience and don't realise to get something they have to give.
 
Shibani Ji ...thank you for your support !
But frankly the scenario is changing fast and probably the semi educated Jat godesses are making the guys suffers much more.
To put things in perspective i'll tell an example from my neighbouring village:

This teacher guy got married to a teacher girl.
The guy only had an old housewife mother. His sisters had been married off.
Just months after the marriage the girl starts demanding that she wants to live in Rohini.
The guy agrees but the girl has further condition of not taking the mother-in-law along.
The guy's in a fix! How would her mother survive !
The families of both sides meet. And even the girl's parents demand the same.
So now divorce proceedings are on.


I mean what the hell !! Its better to get an uneducated girl from the hinterlands of Satpura than ruining lives with such witches of women.
 
Shibani Ji ...thank you for your support !
But frankly the scenario is changing fast and probably the semi educated Jat godesses are making the guys suffers much more.
To put things in perspective i'll tell an example from my neighbouring village:

This teacher guy got married to a teacher girl.
The guy only had an old housewife mother. His sisters had been married off.
Just months after the marriage the girl starts demanding that she wants to live in Rohini.
The guy agrees but the girl has further condition of not taking the mother-in-law along.
The guy's in a fix! How would her mother survive !
The families of both sides meet. And even the girl's parents demand the same.
So now divorce proceedings are on.


I mean what the hell !! Its better to get an uneducated girl from the hinterlands of Satpura than ruining lives with such witches of women.

Amit I totally understand and specially support ur reamark "semi educated Jat godesses" infact I have a few friends back home who are in this dilemma all the time. Its such a gamble now and worst of all parents supporting such behaviour. GIRLS BEHAVE
 
Forget the ideal girl in todays cicumstances !!
It was only in the times of our previous generation that a girl used to stick by his husband and his family in whatever may come.
Girls todays are hell lot different and demanding ! From the first day of marriage they start ploying about how to get the guy away from his family.
They are not interested in the family but just the guy!! Mother and sister in law as long as visible are a continuous pain for them !!

Further to add to the guy's woes are the outdated laws on marriage which support the girls blindfolded !!

I don't agree, there are such kind of girls who give equal respect to family as they do for husband. If the girl is demanding (according to your point of view), then boy is also demanding (according to my point of view) and i think each n every relation has it's own demand whether it would be with our father, mother, brother or with a friend.
Why a girl start playing to get the guy away from his family when she already left her family for him and can completely understand the value n place of his own family in life. Moreover, generally guys refuse for any kind of support and help for girls family (if they need).
Father, mother and sister in law are not a pain but gain bcoz she gets them by tie lifetime knot with someone.
 
I don't agree, there are such kind of girls who give equal respect to family as they do for husband. If the girl is demanding (according to your point of view), then boy is also demanding (according to my point of view) and i think each n every relation has it's own demand whether it would be with our father, mother, brother or with a friend.
Why a girl start playing to get the guy away from his family when she already left her family for him and can completely understand the value n place of his own family in life. Moreover, generally guys refuse for any kind of support and help for girls family (if they need).
Father, mother and sister in law are not a pain but gain bcoz she gets them by tie lifetime knot with someone.


Pragati ji ! I am not saying that all girls are like this.
But when such things happen to someone, it makes them bitter for a lifetime.
And i think there should be a detailed discussion on such issues before marriage.
But people dont think that such things might crop up in their lives and only look at the holy side of the matrimony.

Par doodh ka jal chaach phoonk ke peeta peeta hai !!
 
I cook over the weekend and usually my wife loves whatever I make. It could be partly because she wants me to keep making food in the future though! :)

That's like a good husband. People should shed their misplaced & inflated male ego and start helping their wives. Those who do not know how to cook, can help in washing the dishes, cutting of vegetables and kneading the flour etc. It certainly makes a difference in the smooth running of a household.
 
vp sir, ego may not be an issue...
but itz quite logical to use the best fit resource for any job.
a wife is (mostly) expert in cooking and husband for other tasks..
ibb rotiyan pakane se hee kuch prove thode hee hona hai... :P

That's like a good husband. People should shed their misplaced & inflated male ego and start helping their wives. Those who do not know how to cook, can help in washing the dishes, cutting of vegetables and kneading the flour etc. It certainly makes a difference in the smooth running of a household.
 
I agree with pretty much every thing that you said here Kapil but my concern is more when parents are forced into giving because of the tradition. Every parent wants to give the most and more to their kids and they do so as well. By educating a girl and giving her the best of everything you are definately preparing her to meet the challenges of life. Once a girl is married off the follow on traditions of giving shouldn't be forced on parents because of the society andf its expectation. I hate to see parents pressured into meeting these challenges time and again and there are points when the view of girls being a burden creeps in. Imagine somone with three married daughters and have to cope up with such demands.

Kids have equal right on parents property nowdays but I think girls choose not to take it because then there future ties with brothers get hampered. Its good to see girls have a choice now whether they want the property or not.

There is nothing wrong in partaking the parental property by girls. But as you said Shibani ji, girls usually are shy of doing so because of societal disapproval of the legal right to do so as conferred by judiciary. If anyone does so, it becomes a talk of the town and the doer is looked own upon by the family, relatives as well as the society. However, in the cities and areas surrounding Delhi, where the landed properties fetch handsome compensation, girls have started showing interest in the ancestral property, after marriage. Ideally, it should be like that to keep the family accounts clear. The custom of Dowry, gifts (aagli pachhliyan ke suit/teel, kambal) lena-dena looks quite abjurd and outmoded in today's world and there is lot of "takraar" on quality of "teels" and "blankets". It is better to divide the property among all the children equally irrespective of gender. Even after this amicable division, relationship can remain as cordial as before.
 
vp sir, ego may not be an issue...
but itz quite logical to use the best fit resource for any job.
a wife is (mostly) expert in cooking and husband for other tasks..
ibb rotiyan pakane se hee kuch prove thode hee hona hai... :P

This is also true Narendra. In this age of specialization, it is cost effective if ladies take charge of the kitchen. How could I miss this important point???.

But the above is not applicable in cases where both husband and wife are working. Husbands in such households must contribute in kitchen. The others may be exempted.
 
Forget the ideal girl in todays cicumstances !!
It was only in the times of our previous generation that a girl used to stick by his husband and his family in whatever may come.
Girls todays are hell lot different and demanding ! From the first day of marriage they start ploying about how to get the guy away from his family.
They are not interested in the family but just the guy!! Mother and sister in law as long as visible are a continuous pain for them !!

Further to add to the guy's woes are the outdated laws on marriage which support the girls blindfolded !!

Infringement of the value system brought by the popularization of TV has led to this. Todays twenty+ generation is a product of time when TV was very important and popular. The result is a pain for today's family's specially the elders who have no support system to fall to.

Hopefully, the things are improving as more and more people are realizing the drawbacks of TV and infringement of media.
 
Infringement of the value system brought by the popularization of TV has led to this. Todays twenty+ generation is a product of time when TV was very important and popular. The result is a pain for today's family's specially the elders who have no support system to fall to.

Hopefully, the things are improving as more and more people are realizing the drawbacks of TV and infringement of media.

Ekta Kapoor is one of the major culprits.
 
VP Singh Ji, Ekta Kapoor na ke apki jhoti khol le? Aap na dekho iske program. Aar gane bhundi laga se to ya jis jis channel pa awva se wo channel a hatado.[/QUOTE

भाई अरविन्द इस एकता कपूर नै तो झोटी खोलन जिसा ए काम कर राख्या सै I मैं तो ना देखता इसका कोए भी प्रोग्राम पर काफी महिलाये और बच्चे देखते हैं इसके सीरियल. काफी cheap से ही होते हैं क्योंकि एक दो episode कभी कभार randomly reality check के लिए देखे हैं मैंने. दूसरा नुक्सान ये है कि जब तक यह सीरियल चलते हैं समाचार देखने के लिए महिलाएं TV खाली नहीं करती.
 
Freedom and working in the kitchen? I don't understand what women really want. Why they are so fed up with their daily chores. Leave apart working women, a typical house wife is doping nothing at home except "khaat todna" and " chatak-matak karna". house maids are hired for almost all daily chores in India, this may be different in foreign countries. Still they need help in kitchen. As far as freedom is concerned , If daughters want freedom to elope with some "erra-gairra nathhu khaira' putting family prestige on stake, It is "not" acceptable.
hahahahaha...Gold!
these days feminists:confused: are hopelessly clueless
they hv done much harm than good
 
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And yes, we want to eat "choon" three times in a day and we will not go in kitchen.............I am clear now?
naah...being li'l considerate doesnt harm...situation must be considered, what if she is sick/tired/hormonal/under-the-weather on occasions.
thats not being a "man" or "woman' or this whole feminist thingo, thats being humane.

Anyhow...jats doing well.
and to reiterate,
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?29092-women-in-corporate&p=233722&viewfull=1#post233722
 
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Originally Posted by pragati

Further to add to the guy's woes are the outdated laws on marriage which support the girls blindfolded !!I don't agree, there are such kind of girls who give equal respect to family as they do for husband. If the girl is demanding (according to your point of view), then boy is also demanding (according to my point of view) and i think each n every relation has it's own demand whether it would be with our father, mother, brother or with a friend.
Why a girl start playing to get the guy away from his family when she already left her family for him and can completely understand the value n place of his own family in life. Moreover, generally guys refuse for any kind of support and help for girls family (if they need).
Father, mother and sister in law are not a pain but gain bcoz she gets them by tie lifetime knot with someone.


Very true....
 
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I would like to know where do we see ourselves today as a community. What would you like to change about jat community and Why?:)

As far as community is concerned I feel EXTREME PROUD BEING A JAT. Peoples know jats,,people talk about them (be it out of fear )...I wish that every one in the community should be educated enough,,because i encounter many So called Graduates who lack common sense in our community,,esp in rural areas,,,although the situations are changing now.

Also how far have our men come I am really interested to know how much freedom are you giving to your wives and daugters? How much understanding is there in terms of domestic chores. Do men see themselves working more or helping in the kitchen??????:)
well, there is decent freedom given to females these days,,i see girls are going to cities for studies and are even allowed to work, ,!!

as far as kitchen is concerned,,if a lady is house wife than she should not expect this kind of help, unless she is ill ,,but if both are working ..it than becomes the part of responsibility for both..i used to help my mother in kitchen while i was at home, and there is nothing wrong with it..if i am helping my wife also.
The biggest question to all men specially do you still have to have a proper north indian meal which is roti everday no matter WHAT?:D
Indeed roti can't be missed..!!!
chun peedna is a tradition of jats,,and it is carried forward well...!!!
:rock:rock
 
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