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maddhan1979 said:
Now, i wonder,,,which thought process advocated "Dha" ka "Sanskar" ?

Does burying the dead body of a person, leave a symbol of ancient tribal migration routes?

Who would like to disconnect the ancient roots of these migrations?

Does it have to do anything with religious thought process?
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Concept of "Sanskar" has always been in the realm of religious thought process
 
Could u throw light on the relevance of the topic of discussion with real history ofJats
To the best of our knowledge the position of women in Jat soiety has always been comparatively better than their counterpartsin other communities.castes

The recent ban clumped on sati was trigger of due to adopted Sati, in a Rajput family.
Jats always allowed remarriage of widows
Hence ur WONDER IS ILL FOUNDED N TURNS TO. E A MALACIOUS ATTEMPT TO PAINTJAT COMMUNITY THAT IS AHISTORICAL
 
Being of "Hunnic roots" meant that these people were horse riding people, horse riding people were also warriors in ancient times.
Being warrior in ancient times also meant loss of family, young people and always being poor.

What we must know here is many central Asian cultures were Matriarchal culture i.e. the head of the family in a female and not a male. In Scythian society as told by historians females were equal warriors and used to fight alongside males.
 
lrburdak said:
Shantunu Ji Meer is same as Indian Meel Jat clan. Linguistically R changes to L
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We are talking about lost and displaced languages, so many of the words might be same but due to time, dialects, wars, etc., the words might be wrongly/differently spoken.

If we are connected to IndoEuropean culture then, the words must also be present in European languages and are not loan words e.g. is Meer, Heer, Neer. Neer if i remember correctly is water and Meer is a European word which means lake. So, it is possible that Heer is also Meer.

Well, here it says this:

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir


Word forms: plural miri (ˈmiri)a peasant commune in prerevolutionary Russia


We must remember that lakes(meer) and Darya are present in central Asia. Older civilizations settled near lakes due to source of water.
 
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The word "Mir" had European+Russian+Central Asian origins, so they are coming from central Asia but what we must remember here is we are talking about migrations that happened before 5th century AD and maybe in BC era and the societies that migrated from central Asia would have been matriarchal societies. Now what social changes, wars, natural calamities happened to these societies after 4th century AD is a scientific work. What made these societies change to patriarchal system, etc. is another scientific work.
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
Could u throw light on the relevance of the topic of discussion with real history ofJats
To the best of our knowledge the position of women in Jat soiety has always been comparatively better than their counterpartsin other communities.castes

The recent ban clumped on sati was trigger of due to adopted Sati, in a Rajput family.
Jats always allowed remarriage of widows
Hence ur WONDER IS ILL FOUNDED N TURNS TO. E A MALACIOUS ATTEMPT TO PAINTJAT COMMUNITY THAT IS AHISTORICAL
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I have not said Jats were involved in "Sati" practice and if there is an an attempt to "MALACIOUS AND INTENTIONAL ATTEMPT TO PAINTJAT COMMUNITY WHICH IS AHISTORICAL", then it is not good.
 
maddhan1979 said:
Presence of Jat gotras like "Mirdha",,which could literally mean "Mir+dha" or in spoken form of word (spoken form of words come before written form of words),,,,it is "Meer" which in Indoeuropean langauges means

http://www.wordsense.eu/Meer/
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It is also possible that the word "Mirdha", emerged by the combination of two different family names or two different lines of migrations/clans, etc. We find similar examples in other communities and in India as well. Why is it so, because we find "Meer" and "Dhaiya" as two very different family names in north west of India.
 
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Meer/Mir family name

In former USSR (i.e.) old Russia "Mir, Meer" meant this:

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir


In wider IndoEuropean sense it means this:

"http://www.wordsense.eu/meer/

"Aameer" or "Amir" means person, who is rich.

In ancient tribal migration context, tribes migrating from out of country were mostly poor as compared to local tribes or people living locally in these countries.

While the word "Meer or Mir", shows its presence in IndoEuropean context, while there no presence of word "Amir" or "AAmir" in IndoEuropean context, while "Amir" or "AAmir", shows its presence in Asian context, therefore it is probable that word "Amir" or "Aamir", emerged at later stage of migration of these tribes.

If "Amir/AAmir" means "Rich" then "Mir or Meer" at certain times meant poor.

We are talking about words, which have continued over thousands of years and across cultures, this also means that these words continued in spoken form through different civilizations, countries, etc..
 
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maddhan1979 said:
In former USSR (i.e.) old Russia "Mir, Meer" meant this:

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir


In wider IndoEuropean sense it means this:

"http://www.wordsense.eu/meer/

"Aameer" or "Amir" means person, who is rich.

In ancient tribal migration context, tribes migrating from out of country were mostly poor as compared to local tribes or people living locally in these countries.

While the word "Meer or Mir", shows its presence in IndoEuropean context, while there no presence of word "Amir" or "AAmir" in IndoEuropean context, while "Amir" or "AAmir", shows its presence in Asian context, therefore it is probable that word "Amir" or "Aamir", emerged at later stage of migration of these tribes.

If "Amir/AAmir" means "Rich" then "Mir or Meer" at certain times meant poor.
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MIR is a Sanskrit word which means Ocean or Sea. In Russian, MIR means Peace.

Meer is a Hindi word which means Worthy of Admiration.


We don't know from where you deduce such awkward theories of yours which are beyond the intellectual limits of the people here.

It would be better if you try to be interactive in forum and discuss your great research matter providing some appropriate Historical data instead of bombarding your random thoughts in the form of new threads everyday at Jatland which doesn't serve any purpose by any means.
 
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Burdak Ji
As per my opnion JAT is the name place from where JAT migrated. For example Punjabi today are all across the world and they are known by name of place similarly JATS are also known by their City or palace from where they migrated all across the world. JAT is name of City in Israel ...
Jatt, Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Baqa-Jatt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yanuh-Jat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like this see from Sindh to Meerut we found many villages with Jat as prefix or suffix because of earlier culture .
Even in Bararin , Iran there are City of Village with prefix or suffix as JATS... like Silk route we can call it JAT route...
 
When we speculate here about interchange of some name or clan we should refer to the linguistic rules or some historical references. Then we can consider it to be authentic.
 
krishdel said:
Burdak Ji
As per my opnion JAT is the name place from where JAT migrated. For example Punjabi today are all across the world and they are known by name of place similarly JATS are also known by their City or palace from where they migrated all across the world. JAT is name of City in Israel ...
Jatt, Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Baqa-Jatt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yanuh-Jat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like this see from Sindh to Meerut we found many villages with Jat as prefix or suffix because of earlier culture .
Even in Bararin , Iran there are City of Village with prefix or suffix as JATS... like Silk route we can call it JAT route...
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Krishan Ji you are right. We are compiling info about Silk Road here on Jatland see - http://www.jatland.com/home/Silk_Road

All the places related with Silk Road have association with Jat clan names.
 
maddhan1979 said:
We are talking about lost and displaced languages, so many of the words might be same but due to time, dialects, wars, etc., the words might be wrongly spoken.

If we are connected to IndoEuropean culture then, the words must also be present in European languages and are not loan words e.g. is Meer, Heer, Neer. Neer if i remember correctly is water and Meer is a European word which means lake. So, it is possible that Heer is also Meer.

Well, here it says this:

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir


Word forms: plural miri (ˈmiri)a peasant commune in prerevolutionary Russia


We must remember that lakes(meer) and Darya are present in central Asia. Older civilizations settled near lakes due to source of water.
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While Meer means lake as root word. Mir as a pheasant commune in Russian language is a later use of word Mir.

The earliest use of word "Meer/Mir" connects with elements of nature and that in European language becomes lake or a water body. In human history domestication of animals like dogs, horses came first and then came agriculture, therefore the culture which definess "Meer/Mir" as a source of water body/ lake would have had earlier roots and this takes us to ancient horse riding people who used water bodies such as a lake to feed water to their animals who predate the agricultural commune definition.
 
maddhan1979 said:
While Meer means lake as root word. Mir as a pheasant commune in Russian language is a later use of word Mir.

The earliest use of word "Meer/Mir" connects with elements of nature and that in European language becomes lake or a water body. In human history domestication of animals like dogs, horses came first and then came agriculture, therefore the culture which definess "Meer/Mir" as a source of water body/ lake would have had earlier roots and this takes us to ancient horse riding people who used water bodies such as a lake to feed water to their animals who predate the agricultural commune definition.
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"The culture which defines "Meer/Mir" as a source of water body/ lake would have had earlier roots and this takes us to ancient horse riding people who used water bodies such as lakes to feed water to their animals this fact predates the agricultural commune definition of "Meer/Mir".
 
maddhan1979 said:
Here "Sati" mean this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)


Although coming from Hunnic roots at certain times in history Jats were not allowed to ride horses, it could also mean at certain point of time in history,, they could have been prisoners of wars and prisoners of religious forces.
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It is interesting to note that no other community besides Jats which were not allowed to ride horses in certain parts of the country.
 
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