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maddhan1979
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What we need to understand from this thread is "How damaging religious thought process can be", to entire society and mindset of uneducated, first generation educated and even many of the educated alike.
maddhan1979
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Krishan Ji you are right. We are compiling info about Silk Road here on Jatland see - http://www.jatland.com/home/Silk_Road
All the places related with Silk Road have association with Jat clan names.
Yes, but that does not mean these people were following Judaism, religion in ancient tribal context is very late.
maddhan1979
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Burdak Ji
As per my opnion JAT is the name place from where JAT migrated. For example Punjabi today are all across the world and they are known by name of place similarly JATS are also known by their City or palace from where they migrated all across the world. JAT is name of City in Israel ...
Jatt, Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Baqa-Jatt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yanuh-Jat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Like this see from Sindh to Meerut we found many villages with Jat as prefix or suffix because of earlier culture .
Even in Bararin , Iran there are City of Village with prefix or suffix as JATS... like Silk route we can call it JAT route...
But this does not mean these people were following Judaism,,, religions in ancient tribal migration context is very late.
maddhan1979
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It is also possible that the word "Mirdha", emerged by the combination of two different family names or two different lines of migrations/clans, etc. We find similar examples in other communities in India as well. Why is it so, because we find "Meer" and "Dhaiya" as two very different family names in north west of India.
"Mirdha" could also mean a combination of two armies of these clans. Combination of two migrating tribes of these clans, etc.
maddhan1979
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In former USSR (i.e.) old Russia "Mir, Meer" meant this:
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir
In wider IndoEuropean sense it means this:
"http://www.wordsense.eu/meer/
"Aameer" or "Amir" means person, who is rich.
In ancient tribal migration context, tribes migrating from out of country were mostly poor as compared to local tribes or people living locally in these countries.
While the word "Meer or Mir", shows its presence in IndoEuropean context, while there no presence of word "Amir" or "AAmir" in IndoEuropean context, while "Amir" or "AAmir", shows its presence in Asian context, therefore it is probable that word "Amir" or "Aamir", emerged at later stage of migration of these tribes.
If "Amir/AAmir" means "Rich" then "Mir or Meer" at certain times meant poor.
Correction: "In ancient tribal migration context, tribes migrating from out of country were mostly poor as compared to local tribes or people living locally in these countries."
"In ancient tribal migration context, tribes migrating from other countries were mostly poor as compared to local tribes or people living locally in these countries"
maddhan1979
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Here "Sati" mean this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
Although coming from Hunnic roots at certain times in history Jats were not allowed to ride horses, it could also mean at certain point of time in history,, they could have been prisoners of wars and prisoners of religious forces.
Based on the family names the Jat culture root is present in central Asia + Eurasian subcontinent and the culture of "Meer" as these people are identified by root words as "Meer". These cultures were "Horse riding cultures", this means that these cultures spread all across the world. This also means means these people were free from the concept of Indigenous religious concept as preached by local religions of the land. By enclosing these tribes in boundary area's such as fort walls, not allowing these people to ride horses so they can not go away at far of distances,etc., in current context enclosing these tribes in the nationalistic boundaries, etc., local rulers and religions were able to curtail their movements and disconnect their ancient tribal links. This could have been one of the reasons behind "Jats not being allowed to ride horses".
maddhan1979
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It is also possible that the word "Mirdha", emerged by the combination of two different family names or two different lines of migrations/clans, etc. We find similar examples in other communities in India as well. Why is it so, because we find "Meer" and "Dhaiya" as two very different family names in north west of India.
These names might very well be preIslamic and preHindu tribal name.
maddhan1979
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We are talking about lost and displaced languages, so many of the words might be same but due to time, dialects, wars, etc., the words might be wrongly spoken.
If we are connected to IndoEuropean culture then, the words must also be present in European languages and are not loan words e.g. is Meer, Heer, Neer. Neer if i remember correctly is water and Meer is a European word which means lake. So, it is possible that Heer is also Meer.
Well, here it says this:
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir
Word forms: plural miri (ˈmiri)a peasant commune in prerevolutionary Russia
We must remember that lakes(meer) and Darya are present in central Asia. Older civilizations settled near lakes due to source of water.
Interesting there are people with the following names:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamiris
maddhan1979
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We are talking about lost and displaced languages, so many of the words might be same but due to time, dialects, wars, etc., the words might be wrongly spoken.
If we are connected to IndoEuropean culture then, the words must also be present in European languages and are not loan words e.g. is Meer, Heer, Neer. Neer if i remember correctly is water and Meer is a European word which means lake. So, it is possible that Heer is also Meer.
Well, here it says this:
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir
Word forms: plural miri (ˈmiri)a peasant commune in prerevolutionary Russia
We must remember that lakes(meer) and Darya are present in central Asia. Older civilizations settled near lakes due to source of water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaecMDew60
maddhan1979
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In Indian context it is hard to say, if people can be recognized based on facial features because of wars, etc. , although stereotypical connections are there in any given society.
maddhan1979
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It is interesting to note that no other community besides Jats which were disallowed to ride horses in certain parts of the country.
It is interesting to note that no other community besides Jats, which were not allowed to ride horses in certain parts of the country although originally Jats have "Hunnic" roots, which means that these people were horse riding nomads.
"It seems someone is hacking into my words on this forum"
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maddhan1979
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Could u throw light on the relevance of the topic of discussion with real history ofJats
To the best of our knowledge the position of women in Jat soiety has always been comparatively better than their counterpartsin other communities.castes
The recent ban clumped on sati was trigger of due to adopted Sati, in a Rajput family.
Jats always allowed remarriage of widows
Hence ur WONDER IS ILL FOUNDED N TURNS TO. E A MALACIOUS ATTEMPT TO PAINTJAT COMMUNITY THAT IS AHISTORICAL
"Women in Jat society, were comparatively better", because women in Jat society had an equal role to play, as in ancient times Jats were fighting wars therefore most of the time away from family and home. So, Jat women had an equal role, on the other hand this also led to exploitation and loss of families. I do not know,in ancient times how many Jat families would have disintegrated or disappeared because the male members never returned from wars or were exploited by the rich sections of society or exploited by religious thought processes?
The most dreadful of all religious thought process in women's history in India had been the context of "Sati", as discussed earlier, which did not exist in Jat families, maybe existed in some isolated areas.
maddhan1979
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We are talking about lost and displaced languages, so many of the words might be same but due to time, dialects, wars, etc., the words might be wrongly spoken.
If we are connected to IndoEuropean culture then, the words must also be present in European languages and are not loan words e.g. is Meer, Heer, Neer. Neer if i remember correctly is water and Meer is a European word which means lake. So, it is possible that Heer is also Meer.
Well, here it says this:
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mir
Word forms: plural miri (ˈmiri)a peasant commune in prerevolutionary Russia
We must remember that lakes(meer) and Darya are present in central Asia. Older civilizations settled near lakes due to source of water.
"Heer. Meer, Neer" are the words present in Indoeuropean langauges.
maddhan1979
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Freedom of "Indian subcontinent Banjar's/ tribes of Jats" of today or in other words unsettled Jats (Settled Jats are the people settled in villages/cities) of today is present in their movement and non association with religion. This is the only way these ancient people can maintain their true identity and move away from dirty mix of religion, politics and money power. Permanent settlement of such population will lead to their corruption, subjugation and exploitation under corrupt systems and thought process. Kingdoms/Armies/ Economies have come and gone but these ancient people have been able to maintain their lifestyle without being affected by different thought processes.
maddhan1979
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Now, i wonder,,,which thought process advocated "Dha" ka "Sanskar" ?
Does burying the dead body of a person, leave a symbol of ancient tribal migration routes?
Who would like to disconnect the ancient roots of these migrations?
Does it have to do anything with religious thought process?
It seems that there are no words that show that the dead of these ancient tribes were buried.
maddhan1979
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It seems that there are no words that show that the dead of these ancient tribes were buried.
Rather there is word which tells that the dead people of these ancient tribes were left on the ground and not in the ground, which might also show ancient migrations and similar practices that these tribes had in different countries.
maddhan1979
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Rather there is word which tells that the dead people of these ancient tribes were left on the ground and not in the ground, which might also show ancient migrations and similar practices that these tribes had in different countries.
Leaving dead person on the ground and not in the ground could also be a due to the wars fought by these ancient tribes.
maddhan1979
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Why only Jats stopped having any more Girl child?
Evil practices like "Sati", were absent in Jat community.
Was it due to poverty and their "Hunnic", origin and their fear of losing the girl to the outsiders?
Being of "Hunnic roots" meant that these people were horse riding people, horse riding people were also warriors in ancient times.
Being warrior in ancient times also meant loss of family, young people and always being poor.
Something bad in the ancient past of this community happened that this community did not want to have anymore girl-child.
maddhan1979
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you should think twice before writing any bullshit about the community as a whole.
It is a well known silent fact in some parts of the community that a girl child was either thrown in river or was given tobacco water when she was born.
The above stated fact might be either due to wars/religious systems/ exploitation as these people were immigrants to Indian subcontinent, etc.,
Practice of "Sati" was almost absent in Jats and similar communities, while practice of "Sati", was prominent in some communities.
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