Incident that shocked Delhi

My take is, female literacy rate during that period was 8-10%. so going by this new discovery 90-92% of kids who born then. i.e, who are now in the age bracket of 53-63 are weak/un-intelligent/dumbs !!!!?? and what to say about 70+ then :-(

Further to Goyat's point, we can take a look at most of JL members who come from rural background where education until a few decades ago was a privilage to women, but that did not limit them and they went out of their comfort zone and made a big name for themselves and made the community proud irrespective of their parent's education.

It would also be worth mentioning those news articles where in son of a rickshaw puller tops IAS exams.
 
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Is it ?: Access to every thing is bad OR Excess of every thing is bad (which one you want to convey).


(Access of every thing is bad.
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Mr gulia, I stand corrected, I meant excess, are you happy now babuji
 
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Take example of muslims community, since their ladies are ill treated, kept like slaves their children are born with unhealthy and criminal mind, other side you see loiness and her children are always healthy and strong,
Dear,

Don;t make such comments on other community. You cannot generalize a community like this. Muslims also hv talented people. So kindly refrain from making such comments. Its also not in interest of JL forums that we make such comments on other community.

Cheers
 
Dear,

Don;t make such comments on other community. You cannot generalize a community like this. Muslims also hv talented people. So kindly refrain from making such comments. Its also not in interest of JL forums that we make such comments on other community.

Cheers
Beta thanks for showing concern but I am aware what is written. relex.
 
Read an analysis of the incident with some very good points and thought sharing it with you all.

"Rape has nothing to do with sex or sexual attraction – or else, 10-month or four-year-olds, as well as 23-year-old and 82-year-old women wouldn’t be raped regardless of their looks, attire or relationship with the aggressor."

"Rape is an assertion of masculinity in a patriarchal society in which women are assigned a subordinate or inferior position. Masculinity is associated with traditionally ‘male’ traits such as boldness, manliness, bravery, muscularity, gallantry, machismo, stout-heartedness, robustness, being resolute, etc."

"Unlike sex, masculinity is not a biological characteristic of men; nor is its opposite, femininity, genetically inherited by women. Both are social-cultural traits. As feminist theorist Ann Oakley puts it, “to be a man or a woman, a boy or a girl, is as much a function of dress, gesture, occupation, social network and personality as it is of possessing a particular set of genitals.”"

"Most societies are patriarchal. Therefore, gender violence is universal."

"Discrimination against women is pervasive from cradle to grave. Girls will get less food, medical attention and access to education than boys. Most will never experience adolescence or discover their inner urges and true personalities. From girls, they suddenly become wives and mothers – and chattel slaves with no right to their own bodies."

"Punishing rape, even gang rape, with death will not deter the crime, whose roots lie in male aggression and patriarchal violence. Apart from the numerous persuasive arguments that have been made against capital punishment – including its failure to deter, and its cruel, degrading nature – the death penalty for rape will only lead to more murders. Another knee-jerk reaction demands chemical castration of rapists. This is Taliban-style ‘justice’."

"What we need is not less, but more, and healthy interaction between men and women, and boys and girls, so they can relate to each other with respect and affection and without aggression and violence. That’s the way to get rid of the scourge of masculinity and rape."

The complete article is available here: http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9-153956-To-prevent-rape-fight-masculinity
 
Tham dono aapne seeng kade aur jaa ke uljha lyo, Iss sensitive thread ki matti paleet mat karo. Pleassse!

कल हरियाणा की खापो के एक स्वयंभू प्रधान, खरब खाप (फत्ते सिंह) ने विवादस्पद ब्यान देते हुए बढती रपे की घटनाओ के लिए अनपढ माँ को जिम्मेदार ठहराया है , उनका मानना है कि यदि माँ अनपढ़ व कमजोर होगी , तो होने वाला बच्चा भी दिमागी तौर पे मूर्ख और शारीरिक तौर पे निर्बल होगा और बड़ा होकर असामाजिक तत्व बन सकता है, उन्होंने मुसलमानों का हवाला देते हुए अपने तथ्य को सही ठहराया, की उनकी माँ को गुलामो की तरेह रखा जाता है, जिसकी वजेह से वे भी गुलाम दिमाग के होंगे और क्रिमिनल तो होने ही होंगे।

उनके इस बयां की सतेंदर गोयत व अंकुर मालिक ने कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की है, (उनके साथ देसी जाट,संजीव बाल्यान , सुमित जात्यन ने भी दबी आवाज में समर्थन दिया )परन्तु वे उन्हें दूर रहने की चेतावनी देते हुए अपनी बात पे अडिग है। मुसलमानों में भी भरी रोष है, उनके इस बयां को लेकर अभी तक मुसलमानों की प्रतिकिर्या आणि बाकी है

ज्ञात सूत्रों से पता चला है के वे अपने आप को फ़ौज का रिटायर्ड कर्नल बताते हैं, वे पढ़े लिखे , काबिल, कामयाब व्यक्ति बताते हैं !

खापो की गिरती साख पे ये एक और दाग माना जा रहा है। गौरतलब है इस तरेह के गैर जिम्मेदार बयां पहले भी आते रहे हैं, जिसमे खाप प्रधान कभी chowmin, कभी जीन्स , सेलफोन को भी रपे का जिम्मेदार बताते आए हैं .

उनके इस बयां से जाटलैंड की पढ़ी लिखी जनता में भी दबे शब्दों में सुग्बुअहट शुरू हो गयी है , जीत ताखर ने इसे एक व्यक्तिगत बयां बताया है,और सतेंदर व फ़तेह को आपस में उलजने से रोखने की अपील की है, की मीडिया में गलत संकेत जाने से बचे।

खापो को चाहिए की वे कवल जिम्मेदार व समझदार व्यक्तियों को ही प्रधान बनाये जो सोच समझकर त्रुटी रहित बोले व लिखे , व युवा पीढ़ी को भी आगे आने का अवसर दे, नहीं तो जाट समाज की इसी तरेह से फजीहत होती रहेगी , व मीडिया इसी भुनाएगी

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Koi bhi vah vyakati jo samaaj ko kisi na kisi roop me lead karta hain uss vyakti ke aise byaan ki jitni bhartasana ki jaye utni kam hain.....
 
कल हरियाणा की खापो के एक स्वयंभू प्रधान, खरब खाप (फत्ते सिंह) ने विवादस्पद ब्यान देते हुए बढती रपे की घटनाओ के लिए अनपढ माँ को जिम्मेदार ठहराया है , उनका मानना है कि यदि माँ अनपढ़ व कमजोर होगी , तो होने वाला बच्चा भी दिमागी तौर पे मूर्ख और शारीरिक तौर पे निर्बल होगा और बड़ा होकर असामाजिक तत्व बन सकता है, उन्होंने मुसलमानों का हवाला देते हुए अपने तथ्य को सही ठहराया, की उनकी माँ को गुलामो की तरेह रखा जाता है, जिसकी वजेह से वे भी गुलाम दिमाग के होंगे और क्रिमिनल तो होने ही होंगे।

उनके इस बयां की सतेंदर गोयत व अंकुर मालिक ने कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की है, (उनके साथ देसी जाट,संजीव बाल्यान , सुमित जात्यन ने भी दबी आवाज में समर्थन दिया )परन्तु वे उन्हें दूर रहने की चेतावनी देते हुए अपनी बात पे अडिग है। मुसलमानों में भी भरी रोष है, उनके इस बयां को लेकर अभी तक मुसलमानों की प्रतिकिर्या आणि बाकी है

ज्ञात सूत्रों से पता चला है के वे अपने आप को फ़ौज का रिटायर्ड कर्नल बताते हैं, वे पढ़े लिखे , काबिल, कामयाब व्यक्ति बताते हैं !

खापो की गिरती साख पे ये एक और दाग माना जा रहा है। गौरतलब है इस तरेह के गैर जिम्मेदार बयां पहले भी आते रहे हैं, जिसमे खाप प्रधान कभी chowmin, कभी जीन्स , सेलफोन को भी रपे का जिम्मेदार बताते आए हैं .

उनके इस बयां से जाटलैंड की पढ़ी लिखी जनता में भी दबे शब्दों में सुग्बुअहट शुरू हो गयी है , जीत ताखर ने इसे एक व्यक्तिगत बयां बताया है,और सतेंदर व फ़तेह को आपस में उलजने से रोखने की अपील की है, की मीडिया में गलत संकेत जाने से बचे।

खापो को चाहिए की वे कवल जिम्मेदार व समझदार व्यक्तियों को ही प्रधान बनाये जो सोच समझकर त्रुटी रहित बोले व लिखे , व युवा पीढ़ी को भी आगे आने का अवसर दे, नहीं तो जाट समाज की इसी तरेह से फजीहत होती रहेगी , व मीडिया इसी भुनाएगी

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keep on burning yourself, put some ghee, but nothing will happen, the truth is that jat samaj is ruined by people like you, one more chance please behave, otherwise patience will break.
 
(1) keep on burning yourself, put some ghee, but nothing will happen , (2) the truth is that jat samaj is ruined by people like you , (3)one more chance please behave, otherwise patience will break.

1) Yeah everybody can see, where is the smoke coming from.
2) like you !!!. how? and why not by self proclaimed khap leaders of your like ? who do more harm to the institution of khap, and bring shame for jats, in general.
3) I'll take a pass.
 
Shocking article on TOI(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Delhi-gang-rape-accused-lived-on-margins-of-Indias-economic-boom/articleshow/17995499.cms) . What to blame; poverty in country, unemployment, lack of job opportunities, lack of ethics, lack of common sense, lack of parental bringing. List can go on and on.

Dichotomy between the mindset of an urban and poor.

Please read the article below.

Thanks

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Delhi-gang-rape-accused-lived-on-margins-of-Indias-economic-boom/articleshow/17995499.cms



 
Tham dono aapne seeng kade aur jaa ke uljha lyo, Iss sensitive thread ki matti paleet mat karo. Pleassse!

I am agree to this!!
aap log bekar mai kyun behas kar rhae hai, jab tak aap dono mai se koi ek ni rukega yeh chalta rehega, mai janti hun ke mujhe beech mae bolne ka koi haq ni hai, par please jo hai jaisa hai isae yahi rok dae..fateh sir mai aapko sorry bolti hun Satinder Singh Goyat ji ke liye, n satinder ji aapko bi sorry fateh sir ki taraf se, yeh discussion kisi ko neecha dekhane ke liye nhi start kiya gyaa, mai jatland par aati hun kyunki yaha mujhe samajaik taur tareeko ke baare mai bahut kuch jaan ne ko milta hai jo mai smajhti hun ki ek amulya gyan hai!! tou kirpaya discussion ko vyart hi na badaye..n kuch aisa post kare jo sab ke liye labhdayak ho!!

Mafi chahungi agar kisi ko mere sabdo se taqleef hui ho!!
 
The Hindu has something to say on Mr. Bhagwat.

The Bible according to Bhagwat

It is such a relief finally to know why and where rapes take place in this sanaatan land.

They happen because of “western” influence, and they happen in “India”, not in “Bharat.”

To clarify: “India” is wherever rapes take place; “Bharat” is where they do not. By the way, not rape but “balatkar” takes place in Bharat; and that is not the same thing, is it?
So, for starters, you might ask the question: do the thousands of dalit women, agricultural workers, adivasi women out to gather firewood or water, women out on the call of nature in the open, women who dare to defy custom in the hinterlands, girls who dare go to village schools trudging menacing distances, women who inhabit slums outside city limits who are regularly subjected to rape live in India or in Bharat? And all without any of the redress that may occasionally be available to women who are raped in “India,” since in “Bharat” there is hardly ever a police thana to go to, or a social organization to seek shelter with, or a hospital or health worker who might record and report those rapes. And of course no “western” influence there. Only expanding “development” full of predatory robber barons patronized by chief executives replete with good Bharatiya values.
Then there is the claim that women have traditionally been so honoured and safe in Bharat. Consider how Shurpnakha in the Ramayana was honoured by having her nose cut off for expressing an amorous preference; how Dhrupadi in the Mahabharata was likewise honoured by first being staked in gambling by an adarsh husband, and then gleefully disrobed by the male cabal, all friendly family men, to whom she was lost in dice; or how women in a predominant “Bharat” then were honoured by being required to climb the dead husband’s pyre upon his death; or how they were made safe by being routinely married off as less than nubile children; or being propitiated as “grah lakhshmis” who nonetheless had the privilege of eating last and eating little; or, more recently, by being killed off in the womb to be utterly and ab initio safe from the outside world. And, altogether, by being held to the so ennobling laws of Manu. All during times when one never as much heard of the “western” world, which, one must note, was pretty much as enlightened with respect to women as the Bharat barely sketched above.

Now this wretched “western” world: how the sanaatan Bharatiya rightwing adores its goods and services, its technologies, its finances, its industry, its impulse to dominance, its macho militarism, its market economies and all the chicaneries and corruptions that go with it, but how it abhors its concomitant histories of democracy, freedom, equality. Ergo, as the Hindu rightwing Bible would have it, give us your capitalism, give us the smart phones, give us the unconscionably unethical advertising industry, but leave us our Bharatiya culture at the centre of which is the shackled nari captive to a plethora of lakhshman rekhas. Let her continue to be the bulwark of family and patriarchy, while Bharatiya men go out to conquer the world.

The plain fact is that, suddenly, India’s prehistoric myth-makers no longer have a leg to stand upon. For too long have they been speaking to cross purposes from each side of a duplicitous mouth. They say they support women’s reservation in parliament and legislatures, not to speak of panchayats and gram sabhas, to wit, their role as social and governmental decision-makers, they adulate foreign women of Indian origins who do heroic deeds as citizens of other countries (ah a Kalpana Chawla or a Sunita Williams), never questioning what they wear or who they go with, but they do not wish any woman at home to be her own person in what she wears, where she goes and at what time of day or night, who she teams up with, what opinion she holds or expresses, or how she might dare challenge the stranglehold of family, custom, maryada, or how she might hold the patriarchal state responsible for ensuring her free movement, her free choice of personal, social, and emotional mobility. They presumably expect even very successful women in offices, corporations, legislatures, educational institutions always to keep in mind that they remain in line with what their fathers, husbands, or brothers would think best for them. And when the fathers, husbands, brothers, or sundry other kin commit rape upon them, maryada enjoins that they do not make such things public. And just to recall: 92% or so rapes in this land of ethics and honour are perpetrated within family circles. Not to speak of the millions of abjectly illiterate and mired women who nonetheless are pressed into productive services in field, factory, shopline at much less the wages at which men might be hired. Those are unmentionable fair game for whatever male happens to take fancy.
Consider this: Hinduism is the only organized faith worldwide that has a goddess of wealth (Lakshmi) who is vigorously worshipped every Diwali day for hefty boons. Yet India’s women own barely 2% of national assets, and even less have bank accounts.

As we write, one prominent godman, name of Asaram, who has legions of followers, among them, significantly, legions of women, the sort who routinely inhabit India’s soap operas — comfortably placed, resplendently adorned, and steeped in forms of ritual and superstition handed down by patriarchy -- has pronounced that the young lady whose recent brutal rape and subsequent death are now in the eye of the storm may, after all, have been to blame for her fate. Had she but taken diksha(religious initiation bestowed by a “guru”) she might have been able to mutter a mantra in her predicament that would have obviated her fatal encounter. Imagine the loads of unnecessary work this would spare the overburdened law enforcement agencies and the legal system were the advice to be adopted as national policy. Indeed, he has gone on to say that had she but held one of the attackers by the wrist and called him brother, and appealed to other “brothers” to come to her rescue, being an abla(weak and eligible for male protection, as per traditional construction of women), maybe fallen at their feet, none of what happened might have happened. And, if you have been listening, his fiercest defence has been coming from one of his articulate women devotees.

This has come quickly upon the heals of yet another discourse, this time on the nature of marriage by the same Shri Bhagwat of the RSS: marriage, he opines, is a “contract” wherein the wife agrees to keep the husband pleased, and the husband in turn agrees to keep the wife secure and fed. After such knowledge, what forgiveness.
Gloriously, however, there is a new turbulence underway in post-independence India, where what remnants of Bharat there remain — and these are still countless — are sought to be everyday uplifted to a future of reason, dignity, equality; a turbulence which most hearteningly is now being owned and endorsed by a new generation of young males who have seen through the untenable and oppressive formulations of old. Gloriously also, some women who have been objects of gang rapes are today boldly and openly articulate on some media channels, speaking of their ordeals in their own voices, and, most significantly, refusing to project themselves merely as victims overburdened by the sort of shame and opprobrium that patriarchs would like them to feel. This truly betokens a new episteme in India’s social and gender history, one that seems here to stay. All that in the teeth of rightwing back-to-the-wall resistance from both major communities in India who stand more and more exposed as each day passes.

Which is also the reason why the suggestion made by Shashi Tharoor must be zestfully endorsed, namely, that since it is the perpetrators who ought to feel the shame and not the victim, the deceased young woman who has been the catalyst of the current historic epistemic shift must be honoured by being named, and by having the new laws under contemplation named after her. Indeed, if jurisprudence as at present disallows such a departure in the naming of laws, then amendments may be made. One presses this point in the conviction that such symbolic determinations on behalf of nation-states can often have far-reaching consequence in reshaping inherited habits of thought.
 
There are people who want to hang rapists the next day but this is why law needs to take its own course:

फर्जी निकला गैंगरेप, लड़की गिरफ्तार

बठिंडा: देशभर में सनसनी फैलाने वाला बठिंडा का गैंगरेप कांड जांच के बाद झूठा पाया गया है। बठिंडा के आई निर्मल सिंह ढिल्लो ने एक प्रेस कांफ्रेंस में बताया की एक पुराने केस में गवाहों को डराने और गवाहों पर झूठा मामला दर्ज करवाने की खातिर गैंगरेप की साजिश खुद लड़की और तीन लोगों ने रची थी, इस मामले में चार लोग शामिल हैं और पुलिस ने पीडि़त लड़की कहलाने वाली गुरवीर कौर व उसके एक साथी रोहताश को हिरासत में ले लिया है ।

जब एक और आरोपी की गिरफ्तारी के लिए टीम को रवाना कर दिया है। सुनील ने प्रेमिका गुरबीर के साथ मिल कर उसकी पत्नी कांता देवी को एचआईवी का इंजेक्शन लगा दिया, इसके बाद गुरबीर कौर और सुनील के खिलाफ कांता देवी की हत्या के प्रयास का मामला दर्ज कर लिया गया।

More at: http://www.punjabkesari.in/news/बठिंडा-गैंगरेप-पड़ा-झूठा,-पत्नी-को-लगाया-था-एचआईवी-का-इंजैक्शन-99922
 
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