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Your threat reminds me of a politician from your region -- Haji Yaqub Ansari. Does that rings a bell? He announced a Re 51 crore reward on the head of the Danish cartoonist who drew the caricature of Prophet Mohammad. Good job, mate.

Well said Kabir... If people say that Jats are blind then trust me we actually are

We(Jats from Baghpat) are following one man who hasn't dont anything substantial for his region be it roads, colleges, irrigation nothing, who has been a part of almost all the governments, who is known for his deeds... but still we dont even think of thinking for an alternative
 
For those who hate congress for bhai-batijawad and support Ch. Charan Singh just a little piece of info for them...

Ch. Charan Singh made his wife contest for a MP seat from Kairana seat in UP but she lost... Similerly his daughter Saroj contested for a MLA seat and she won and went to UP Assembly from Chapprauli Vidhan Sabha Khetra and his son Ajit Singh is already an MP and has begun to bring his son Jayant into politics...


What i have also heard from my elders is that farmers sold their cattles to give donation to Ch. Charan Singh's party. When JD govt. came in the price of sugarcane was too low and farmers approached him with their concerns... in stead of hearing them Chaudhary saab gave them a rude reply.... Imagine what must have crossed across those hearts who sold their lands and cattles to fund him


Also as the airs are and everyone has heard it.... Mr. Satpal Malik was thrown out of his party. Jahan tak sabne suna aur samjha hai ki unki galti sirf itni thi ki unhone party ke chande ka hisaab manga tha aur unhe nikal diya gaya...

I do agree that Chaudhary saab did good job but i still say he didn't do much for his own constituency and even he had some shortcoming just like others... but the way he carried himself is still commendable
 
For those who hate congress for bhai-batijawad and support Ch. Charan Singh just a little piece of info for them...

Ch. Charan Singh made his wife contest for a MP seat from Kairana seat in UP but she lost... Similerly his daughter Saroj contested for a MLA seat and she won and went to UP Assembly from Chapprauli Vidhan Sabha Khetra and his son Ajit Singh is already an MP and has begun to bring his son Jayant into politics...


What i have also heard from my elders is that farmers sold their cattles to give donation to Ch. Charan Singh's party. When JD govt. came in the price of sugarcane was too low and farmers approached him with their concerns... in stead of hearing them Chaudhary saab gave them a rude reply.... Imagine what must have crossed across those hearts who sold their lands and cattles to fund him


Also as the airs are and everyone has heard it.... Mr. Satpal Malik was thrown out of his party. Jahan tak sabne suna aur samjha hai ki unki galti sirf itni thi ki unhone party ke chande ka hisaab manga tha aur unhe nikal diya gaya...

I do agree that Chaudhary saab did good job but i still say he didn't do much for his own constituency and even he had some shortcoming just like others... but the way he carried himself is still commendable

Well done boy.....gr8 going...... thanks a ton to you to make us aware about chaudhary sahab.........i never expected more than it from u abt chaudary saahab....i can hardly forget that statement which u made couple of months earlier that our family is one of families in chaupraulli who has alwys opposed chaudhary saahab....BTY , these are the trivial and even false things which have been aired by chaudhary saahab opposer......no bad impact at all....
As far as me is concerned , i respect that great soul(chaudhary sahab) from the bottom of my heart... and think that we can also carry a legacy system..if that bloody gandhi-nehru..who are destroying this country from decades.....though i m also agree that ajit singh does not deserve to be a successor of that gr8 man but still "akbar road" is the single place in NCR where jats of western UP can stand and speak.........
 
Kabir,
Bhai please be careful with using words describing genitalia - this is against our culture. Some Mr Jakhar will leave a message in your inbox - an infraction (from editor - a job that he has voluteered for to bug ppl)- explaining how this is against our culture. He has also stated that ppl living in US should not use "such words" to corrupt ppl living in India.......since you are in New Delhi....he might pay you a visit and complain to your parents.
do i need to laugh on it? oh of course i can laugh inviting some infraction on it as well. lol
 
Well done boy.....gr8 going...... thanks a ton to you to make us aware about chaudhary sahab.........i never expected more than it from u abt chaudary saahab....i can hardly forget that statement which u made couple of months earlier that our family is one of families in chaupraulli who has alwys opposed chaudhary saahab....BTY , these are the trivial and even false things which have been aired by chaudhary saahab opposer......no bad impact at all....
As far as me is concerned , i respect that great soul(chaudhary sahab) from the bottom of my heart... and think that we can also carry a legacy system..if that bloody gandhi-nehru..who are destroying this country from decades.....though i m also agree that ajit singh does not deserve to be a successor of that gr8 man but still "akbar road" is the single place in NCR where jats of western UP can stand and speak.........

LEt me answer those points one by one...

1 . Dont know what offended you in that statement... We didnt hate him but just opposed his policies... To tell you an incident, The bridge that was supposed to be built in chaprauli over Yamuna was thrown over to KAirana in spite of the fact that Chaprauli supports him blindly... There are several people who sold thr lands and cattles but never got a good treatment from him

2. Did i ever say i do not respect that great soul? Of course i do but i never make a human a god and humans do make mistakes and that is what i am highliting here

3. If Gandhi Nehru does it then you would say what he did was right? So you mean to say 2 wrongs make a right?

4. Jats stand and speak on Akbar Road... and words remains words and nothing comes into action so whats the use? Ajit Singh has been in Central and State power since ages, Anuradha Chaudhary was the irrigation minister but the Naher in Chaprauli is crying for water since 1999, the road to chaprauli from Baraut is almost dead in the wait for some action, everyone knows how MLA seats are sold during election... but how does it matter? we are happy to go to Akbar Road and Talk isnt it?
 
, these are the trivial and even false things which have been aired by chaudhary saahab opposer......no bad impact at all....
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Rest might be an air but his wife and daughter and grandchild contesting elections is a fact that you can check with Election Commission of India:)

And may be ask Mr. Malik for the reason of being thrown out of his party....
 
LEt me answer those points one by one...

1 . Dont know what offended you in that statement... We didnt hate him but just opposed his policies... To tell you an incident, The bridge that was supposed to be built in chaprauli over Yamuna was thrown over to KAirana in spite of the fact that Chaprauli supports him blindly... There are several people who sold thr lands and cattles but never got a good treatment from him

2. Did i ever say i do not respect that great soul? Of course i do but i never make a human a god and humans do make mistakes and that is what i am highliting here

3. If Gandhi Nehru does it then you would say what he did was right? So you mean to say 2 wrongs make a right?

4. Jats stand and speak on Akbar Road... and words remains words and nothing comes into action so whats the use? Ajit Singh has been in Central and State power since ages, Anuradha Chaudhary was the irrigation minister but the Naher in Chaprauli is crying for water since 1999, the road to chaprauli from Baraut is almost dead in the wait for some action, everyone knows how MLA seats are sold during election... but how does it matter? we are happy to go to Akbar Road and Talk isnt it?

to tu eibb bakwaad pe uttar aaya katai........sunn le gandhi ke bhagat jitna kaam anuradha ne to itna kaam karya ek din firgge baghpat-muzaffarnagar ke......... arr rahi baat chauraulli aali sadak ki to tu nu bata kad gaya tha aapne gaam main....5-7 baras pehle gaya hogga.;) ... yha net pe baith ke bakwaad kare te ke faayda.....ek tu hi akalband hai chauraulli main aur sab C*****A hai......ek bas terri hi aankh khul ri aur sab ki michh ri.....
 
Rest might be an air but his wife and daughter and grandchild contesting elections is a fact that you can check with Election Commission of India:)

And may be ask Mr. Malik for the reason of being thrown out of his party....

haamne ke ristedaarri kahadni uski gail...ham to na poochte..............
 
haamne ke ristedaarri kahadni uski gail...ham to na poochte..............

lol... I like this way of urs..

Agar chuha billi ko dekh ke ankh band kar ke baith jaye aur ye soche ki billi ne use nahi dekha to galti kiski? Perceptions and belief is good but not to an extreme
 
to tu eibb bakwaad pe uttar aaya katai........sunn le gandhi ke bhagat jitna kaam anuradha ne to itna kaam karya ek din firgge baghpat-muzaffarnagar ke......... arr rahi baat chauraulli aali sadak ki to tu nu bata kad gaya tha aapne gaam main....5-7 baras pehle gaya hogga.;) ... yha net pe baith ke bakwaad kare te ke faayda.....ek tu hi akalband hai chauraulli main aur sab C*****A hai......ek bas terri hi aankh khul ri aur sab ki michh ri.....

Last time i visited Chaprauli was a month back and since i have been going there i do not remember driving my car over 40 anywhere and that too for not more than half a KM in tht 16Km stretch, haan waise 8 saal pahle ek naher aati thi chaprauli ghuste hi jo aaj tak nahi ayee uske baad.. water levels are dipping but i think u wouldnt agree to it as u have ur own perceptions... khair leave that..

Anuradha has done a commendable job in her constituency and i am sure she would never loose an election from that seat, be it the pakki sadke every where or being personally involved in activities on ground level i really admire that lady. But then what did she do more and over her constituency? Ajit Singh never does anything for anyone and Anuradha never did anything besides her constituency.. but something is better than nothing.. isnt it?


Rahi baat Chaprauli ki logo ki to bhai jo hamare bujurg hai wo chaudhary saab ki virasat ke lie use vote karte hai, they are not aware of the happenings beyond their village and even if i try to speak to a few of them they are not ready to listen the facts... just like you are reluctant to them because i am speaking against your belief :-)
 
Indra is India and India is Indra!

Dear All,

Though I am not a better person to give a first hand account of what was the [political and social and economical proggrammes of Mrs Gandhi yet what ever my analysis of the readings of history say is that she proved to be one of the best Prime Ministers India ever had....

Will not discuss all her political life..But what is of prime concern are her final term as the Prime Minister... 1980-1984. She took power from Chaudhary Charan Singh, who led a massive campaign against her since the times of Morarji Desai Government (Chaudhary Charan Singh was the home misnister then) The 1975 Government accused her of misusing Rameshwar Nath Kao, the then Director of R&AW for covert action against the opposition leaders during the emergency (1975-77).

The times 1977-1980 were turbulent for India's foreign policy... Ayottolahs in Iran and Russians in Afganistan brought India in a state of Dilemma as to whom should we stand with... Though morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh brought shame to India as a nation, by refusing to understand the logic of the the erstwhile state of USSR entering into Afganistan to capture the covert axction of CIA, Indra ji made it possible for the USSR government to put faith back in the Government of India!

It is wothwhile to note that USSR was the only nation state which stood by the side of India in her attempts to free East pakistan. Whatever followed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir ( For which Mrs. Gandhi is blamed) was a reward of her winning the war over Pakistan witht he moral and physical support of the USSR. The ISI and the CIA were since then enggaged in covert action and Psychological War against Mrs. Gandhi....

One remembers Dr. Jagjit Singh Chauhan's (Speaker of the Punjab Assembly) work in developing the Khalistan Movement once he migrated to the UK, during 1975-77 and abruptly calling it back when Morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh's Janta Party came into being as the Government of the day.

While CIA monitered ISI action in Afganistan against the Soviet supported Government.. the Janta party government was asleep to all this..... ISI took an advantage of this and started covert action against Indra ji, soonafter she returned to power, what else followed for 11 years is known to us.. the bloodshed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir....

Let me get a bit more critical and blame the Janta party Government 1977-80 for the same.... They did not let India's external Intelligence agency R&AW work efficiently and its sources in the middle east and europe were not explored to get a beforehand account of the actions in India. The French intelligence SEDCE and CIA started all this bloodshed and India remained ignorant of it as we did not let R.N.Kao and his men act at the right time.

Chaudhary Charan Singh as a Prime Minister though was atleast assertive to send for kao and tell him that his impressions of Kao and R&AW were proved to be wrong and that he felt sorry fopr the humiliation Kao and the organization had to face.. But Chaudhary Saheb's failure as a Prime Minister in judging the International situation can not be denied...

1984.. The year talked of mostly when Indra ji is blamed, saw many changes in the international arena. The US was enggaged in buying its intelligence in the Indian Ocean region and the oil tanks put waste since the WOrld War II from Sri Lanka.. Tripura and Mizoram under Laldenga turned violent with the training provided to them in Chittagong Hill Traces by the ISI and Khalistan demand was on fire.... There were 5 Airplane Hijackes in the year 1983 in where Pakistan repeated the same drill. Hijackers pursuaded to end Hijacking and surrender to pakistan authorities who will let them live in Nankana Saheb Gurudwara peacefully... where they could meet Sikhs from all over the worls and do propoganda for an independent free state of Sikhs ( The demand arose from the indifferent attitude of Jawaharlal Nehru in the early years of independence towards the sikhs in west).

Mrs Gandhi tried hard to negotiate a political solution to the Bindranwale's problem ( Which cameinto being aftyer Giyani Zail Sing's failure as Punjab's Home Minister in assesing the real threat and releasing Bhindranwale without even a trial)m, But to no avail!

The action taken inside the Akal Takht was the best she could do to free that holy place from terrorists. One can recall the sort of opposition Indian Army faced while raiding the Golden Temple.. Which makes it clear that the Khalistanis had turn it into a battlefeild!

After that unfaitful event, the security of Mrs Gandhi was tightened and no Sikh was allowed to be her bodygaurd.. Which she opposed to( See her compasion)

And hence she lost her life... saving a nation from International shame and terrorism!

She was the best prime Minister!

NB: I am not a congressman!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal
 
Good Job!!! and a fair analysis but again i doubt how much will people be able to digest as it is hitting their set perceptions and belief...
 
whenever i write anything good about gandhi clan, people here start bombarding with one mistake of the member again and again and so did it happen in mahatma gandhi case. so i prefer to refrain and just keep reading your input. people have nothing else to blame indira with emergency, mahatma with partition, rajiv with LTTE and Nehru with what not. can we have something new?

are jats anti-congress? (which has the most educated and young politicos)
 
whenever i write anything good about gandhi clan, people here start bombarding with one mistake of the member again and again and so did it happen in mahatma gandhi case. so i prefer to refrain and just keep reading your input. people have nothing else to blame indira with emergency, mahatma with partition, rajiv with LTTE and Nehru with what not. can we have something new?

May be... May be not... but will it matter? No one buys facts and reality untill you also talk the way they want you to ...
 
whenever i write anything good about gandhi clan, people here start bombarding with one mistake of the member again and again and so did it happen in mahatma gandhi case. so i prefer to refrain and just keep reading your input. people have nothing else to blame indira with emergency, mahatma with partition, rajiv with LTTE and Nehru with what not. can we have something new?

are jats anti-congress? (which has the most educated and young politicos)

If you want everyone to agree with you that it wouldnt be a discussion..will it.

No Harm no in listening to the other part of the story.
 
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Dear All,

Though I am not a better person to give a first hand account of what was the [political and social and economical proggrammes of Mrs Gandhi yet what ever my analysis of the readings of history say is that she proved to be one of the best Prime Ministers India ever had....

Will not discuss all her political life..But what is of prime concern are her final term as the Prime Minister... 1980-1984. She took power from Chaudhary Charan Singh, who led a massive campaign against her since the times of Morarji Desai Government (Chaudhary Charan Singh was the home misnister then) The 1975 Government accused her of misusing Rameshwar Nath Kao, the then Director of R&AW for covert action against the opposition leaders during the emergency (1975-77).

The times 1977-1980 were turbulent for India's foreign policy... Ayottolahs in Iran and Russians in Afganistan brought India in a state of Dilemma as to whom should we stand with... Though morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh brought shame to India as a nation, by refusing to understand the logic of the the erstwhile state of USSR entering into Afganistan to capture the covert axction of CIA, Indra ji made it possible for the USSR government to put faith back in the Government of India!

It is wothwhile to note that USSR was the only nation state which stood by the side of India in her attempts to free East pakistan. Whatever followed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir ( For which Mrs. Gandhi is blamed) was a reward of her winning the war over Pakistan witht he moral and physical support of the USSR. The ISI and the CIA were since then enggaged in covert action and Psychological War against Mrs. Gandhi....

One remembers Dr. Jagjit Singh Chauhan's (Speaker of the Punjab Assembly) work in developing the Khalistan Movement once he migrated to the UK, during 1975-77 and abruptly calling it back when Morarji Desai and Chaudhary Charan Singh's Janta Party came into being as the Government of the day.

While CIA monitered ISI action in Afganistan against the Soviet supported Government.. the Janta party government was asleep to all this..... ISI took an advantage of this and started covert action against Indra ji, soonafter she returned to power, what else followed for 11 years is known to us.. the bloodshed in Punjab and the Jammu and Kashmir....

Let me get a bit more critical and blame the Janta party Government 1977-80 for the same.... They did not let India's external Intelligence agency R&AW work efficiently and its sources in the middle east and europe were not explored to get a beforehand account of the actions in India. The French intelligence SEDCE and CIA started all this bloodshed and India remained ignorant of it as we did not let R.N.Kao and his men act at the right time.

Chaudhary Charan Singh as a Prime Minister though was atleast assertive to send for kao and tell him that his impressions of Kao and R&AW were proved to be wrong and that he felt sorry fopr the humiliation Kao and the organization had to face.. But Chaudhary Saheb's failure as a Prime Minister in judging the International situation can not be denied...

1984.. The year talked of mostly when Indra ji is blamed, saw many changes in the international arena. The US was enggaged in buying its intelligence in the Indian Ocean region and the oil tanks put waste since the WOrld War II from Sri Lanka.. Tripura and Mizoram under Laldenga turned violent with the training provided to them in Chittagong Hill Traces by the ISI and Khalistan demand was on fire.... There were 5 Airplane Hijackes in the year 1983 in where Pakistan repeated the same drill. Hijackers pursuaded to end Hijacking and surrender to pakistan authorities who will let them live in Nankana Saheb Gurudwara peacefully... where they could meet Sikhs from all over the worls and do propoganda for an independent free state of Sikhs ( The demand arose from the indifferent attitude of Jawaharlal Nehru in the early years of independence towards the sikhs in west).

Mrs Gandhi tried hard to negotiate a political solution to the Bindranwale's problem ( Which cameinto being aftyer Giyani Zail Sing's failure as Punjab's Home Minister in assesing the real threat and releasing Bhindranwale without even a trial)m, But to no avail!

The action taken inside the Akal Takht was the best she could do to free that holy place from terrorists. One can recall the sort of opposition Indian Army faced while raiding the Golden Temple.. Which makes it clear that the Khalistanis had turn it into a battlefeild!

After that unfaitful event, the security of Mrs Gandhi was tightened and no Sikh was allowed to be her bodygaurd.. Which she opposed to( See her compasion)

And hence she lost her life... saving a nation from International shame and terrorism!

She was the best prime Minister!

NB: I am not a congressman!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal

fairly balanced view on her patriotic character. Only one thing I am unable to understand about congress is their relations with communists who are well known to support Chinese. Why congress has been joining hands with them under almost all congress PMs including Mrs Gandhi. Are we paying the price of Soviet supporting us or what? Why Indian communists are not being brought to book for their antinational activities?

RK^2
 
Simply because politics, or better termed as politics of coalition(Gathjod ki Rajniti) is winning over the idealogy of one party...
 
Well said Kabir... If people say that Jats are blind then trust me we actually are

We(Jats from Baghpat) are following one man who hasn't dont anything substantial for his region be it roads, colleges, irrigation nothing, who has been a part of almost all the governments, who is known for his deeds... but still we dont even think of thinking for an alternative

Fanatic, My dear Vikas, is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

You know who I am referring to.
 
koi ek-aadha hor bacha ho usse bhi gaal bak lyo..jib taamne chaudhary saahab hi na chhodde thaam hor kisse bakshoggee.........aur chaudde hoe jaao............in jaatoien ka naas katai nazdeek aa liya......yeh badal ge..............i m compelled to beleive that this Jatland is the portal 4 only 1% jats who are totally different from rest 99% in thinking and beliefs........u all truely don't represent the jat clan..............aur iss site ka namkaran bhi indraseh kala ke uppere kar dyo nitin dahiya bhai tai sifariush karke....aappne aap ne jaat kahte hue tharra dam ghut rya hogga:rolleyes:
 
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Fanatic, My dear Vikas, is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

You know who I am referring to.

majhe byare hai terre kyoun berre berre kurkuri si uthhe hai..........batau ke saabne.......;).....beerbanni ki dhalla chamolle se chhod ke udd jya tu..:p:D.......katai sahi jaa rya bhai............
 
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