sidchhikara
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staying nude is traditional ... have you seem some of our ancient temples.
Incest is also traditional in India .... South Indians and Muslims are into it in a big way.
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Is modernity in conflict with our traditions?
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staying nude is traditional ... have you seem some of our ancient temples.
Incest is also traditional in India .... South Indians and Muslims are into it in a big way.
I don't understand what moderanisation means
If it means Staying nude and have incest then it was stone age i think
Modernisation means that person is open and willing to understand the new concpets with respect to the customs and traditions he is following. It is totally in contrast with the stub-born approach of following things blindly without using their own minds.
It is state of mind to evaluate things in a rational approach instead of just paying attenton to the cloths people wear and relationships they make. Brilliant people like to read minds while stupids watch their clothing styles. Modern people see some valid reasons to follow certain things instead of following the things they never know why they are following.
End of the day, Modernisation is the openmindedness of a person to evaluate the circumstances instead of paying attention to the clothes people wear and poking their nose into the relationship of other peoples.
staying nude is traditional ... have you seem some of our ancient temples.
Incest is also traditional in India .... South Indians and Muslims are into it in a big way.
Herds of nude Sadhus called as "Naga Sadhus" was recently seen parading through the Haridwar city on the occasion of Kumbh Mela. People, including women, were seen paying their obeissance to these nudists .
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If it means Staying nude and have incest then it was stone age i think
Not only stone age, even in this age you can see nude people on Kumbh Mela. Quite recently, in Haridwar, hundreds of Sadhus called "Naga Sadhus" were seen parading through the city. As far as incest is concerned following is my take:
Going by the evolutionary theory of mankind, the entire human race is illegitimate progeny of incestuous Homo Sapiens - our ancestors. Even going by mythology, Adam and Eve were also not from different clans.
sanjaymalik
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Not only stone age, even in this age you can see nude people on Kumbh Mela. clans.
uncle ji do you really think they are modern as like you in terms of materlistice world. they don't have nothing to do with this world, they are living in far fatched areas instead of nude moderns in cities.
samarkadian
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Not only stone age, even in this age you can see nude people on Kumbh Mela. Quite recently, in Haridwar, hundreds of Sadhus called "Naga Sadhus" were seen parading through the city. As far as incest is concerned following is my take:
Going by the evolutionary theory of mankind, the entire human race is illegitimate progeny of incestuous Homo Sapiens - our ancestors. Even going by mythology, Adam and Eve were also not from different clans.
Mr Singh, just curious on following points about your 'objective' take on things :-
1. Do you follow Christian belief?
2. Are you objectively okay with incestual relationships ?
3. Do you favour intelligent life or primitive life?
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Mr Singh, just curious on following points about your 'objective' take on things :-
1. Do you follow Christian belief?
2. Are you objectively okay with incestual relationships ?
3. Do you favour intelligent life or primitive life?
Your Answers Samar:
1. No
2. No
3. Intelligent life
Mr Singh, just curious on following points about your 'objective' take on things :-
1. Do you follow Christian belief?
2. Are you objectively okay with incestual relationships ?
3. Do you favour intelligent life or primitive life?
You did state your position about the two theories of evolution. How far do you agree with these two theories?
uncle ji do you really think they are modern as like you in terms of materlistice world. they don't have nothing to do with this world, they are living in far fatched areas instead of nude moderns in cities.
Sanjay, do you really see people walking around nude in cities? You know better than me that we have laws against nudity in public places. We also have laws like SITA (Suppression of Immoral Traffic Act) to handle any kind of immoral acts in public places. If someone is nude in his/her bed-room or bathroom we have got no moral right to focus our binoculars to peep into their privacy. I have no idea of people roaming nude on the roads except the Nagas who can be seen in cities also, contrary to your claim, on many religious congregations. I do not understand how do you justify their vulgar demonstrations on the roads of Haridwar. Double standards. We explain away their nudity as promotion of culture and if someone dares to wear a skirt or short we hurriedly name it nudity. Isn't it our frustration only against a certain section of society who do not blindly follow the dress code prescribed by the Mughals. Do you think the chastity of a lady in Burqa or fully covered with "Ghoonghat" is aboveboard and should we presume that if a bad-character lady is covered with Burqa she can be certified to be a 'Devi'. Do you think all the skirt clad ladies with short hair-cut are prostitutes? Do you think all youth wearing jeans, T-Shirts and half pants are loose characters?. These are all misconceptions and myths. I have seen boys from so called "cultured" families indulging in eve-teasing, passing lewd remarks on girls from their own gotras, village and "gohand". Do they first ask their "Gotra" from these innocent and hapless girls before indulging in such kind of disgusting and shameful activities. On the other hand, I have youths attired in haute couture and branded clothes behaving sensibly and more respectfully with ladies.
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samarkadian
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You did state your position about the two theories of evolution. How far do you agree with these two theories?
Thanks Mr Singh for clearing the doubt. I got carried away with that an intelligent man is advocating incestual practises and justifying it with christian mythological beliefs which is not more than 2000 years old.
As you can read these are theories not established principles or laws. I may like any theory but I dnt prop my social opinion on subjective academics.
One recent theory claims that neanderthals had extincted due to inbreeding.
rakeshsehrawat
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Moderanity can be defined as anything except INCEST.
Moderanity can be defined as anything except INCEST.
Rakesh, thanks for your clarification.
sanjaymalik
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Sanjay, do you really see people walking around nude in cities? You know better than me that we have laws against nudity in public places. We also have laws like SITA (Suppression of Immoral Traffic Act) to handle any kind of immoral acts in public places. If someone is nude in his/her bed-room or bathroom we have got no moral right to focus our binoculars to peep into their privacy. I have no idea of people roaming nude on the roads except the Nagas who can be seen in cities also, contrary to your claim, on many religious congregations. I do not understand how do you justify their vulgar demonstrations on the roads of Haridwar. Double standards. We explain away their nudity as promotion of culture and if someone dares to wear a skirt or short we hurriedly name it nudity. Isn't it our frustration only against a certain section of society who do not blindly follow the dress code prescribed by the Mughals. Do you think the chastity of a lady in Burqa or fully covered with "Ghoonghat" is aboveboard and should we presume that if a bad-character lady is covered with Burqa she can be certified to be a 'Devi'. Do you think all the skirt clad ladies with short hair-cut are prostitutes? Do you think all youth wearing jeans, T-Shirts and half pants are loose characters?. These are all misconceptions and myths. I have seen boys from so called "cultured" families indulging in eve-teasing, passing lewd remarks on girls from their own gotras, village and "gohand". Do they first ask their "Gotra" from these innocent and hapless girls before indulging in such kind of disgusting and shameful activities. On the other hand, I have youths attired in haute couture and branded clothes behaving sensibly and more respectfully with ladies.
Sir my above comments was only in context of Naga sadhu's as you have pointed out in earlier post. i have not said anything about the short skirt etc. i extend my apology.
rakeshsehrawat
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This is something called moderanisation
Bharat aale pehli baat to lugaiya ne khandande e nahi ar je khanda dende to ulte bula lete kitna atyachar karte hain hum apni aurto ke saath
http://khabar.ndtv.com/2010/05/16165245/Britain-story.html
ब्रिटिश महिला सैनिकों को कंडोम साथ रखने की हिदायत
अफगानिस्तान के सैन्य ठिकानों में तैनात ब्रिटेन की महिला सैन्यकर्मियों में गर्भवती होने के बढ़ते मामलों को देखते हुए रक्षा मंत्रालय ने उन्हें अपने साथ कंडोम रखने की हिदायत दी है। समाचार पत्र डेली मेल के मुताबिक ब्रिटिश रक्षा मंत्रालय ने विज्ञापन के जरिए अभियान चलाकर महिला सैन्यकर्मियों को अपने साथ कंडोम रखने की हिदायत दी है। विज्ञापन में कहा गया है, "तैनाती के दौरान वहां प्रत्येक महिला के पास 50 ब्लॉक होंगे।"
विज्ञापन में महिला सैन्यकर्मियों को अपने साथ कंडोम रखने की हिदायत तो दी ही गई है साथ ही यह भी कहा गया है कि यदि वे ऐसा नहीं करेंगी तो उन्हें ऐसी परिस्थिति का सामना करना पड़ेगा, जिसे सुनना वे पसंद नहीं करेंगी। युद्ध क्षेत्र में हालांकि शारीरिक संबंध बनाने की इजाजत नहीं होती है लेकिन समान रैंक के पुरुष व महिला सैनिकों के बीच यदि संबंध बन जाते भी हैं तो कमांडर कुछ नहीं करते और अपनी आंखें मूंद लेते हैं। नियमों के मुताबिक यदि कोई महिला सैन्यकर्मी गर्भवती होती है तो युद्धक्षेत्र को छोड़कर उसे स्वदेश लौटना पड़ता है।
उल्लेखनीय है कि इराक युद्ध के समय जनवरी 2003 से फरवरी 2009 के दौरान ब्रिटेन की कम से कम 102 महिला सैन्यकर्मी गर्भवती हुईं थी। इस वजह से उन्हें स्वदेश भेज दिया गया था। इसी अवधि के दौरान अफगानिस्तान में 31 महिला सैन्यकर्मी गर्भवती हुईं।
Bharat aale pehli baat to lugaiya ne khandande e nahi ar je khanda dende to ulte bula lete kitna atyachar karte hain hum apni aurto ke saath
http://khabar.ndtv.com/2010/05/16165245/Britain-story.html
ब्रिटिश महिला सैनिकों को कंडोम साथ रखने की हिदायत
अफगानिस्तान के सैन्य ठिकानों में तैनात ब्रिटेन की महिला सैन्यकर्मियों में गर्भवती होने के बढ़ते मामलों को देखते हुए रक्षा मंत्रालय ने उन्हें अपने साथ कंडोम रखने की हिदायत दी है। समाचार पत्र डेली मेल के मुताबिक ब्रिटिश रक्षा मंत्रालय ने विज्ञापन के जरिए अभियान चलाकर महिला सैन्यकर्मियों को अपने साथ कंडोम रखने की हिदायत दी है। विज्ञापन में कहा गया है, "तैनाती के दौरान वहां प्रत्येक महिला के पास 50 ब्लॉक होंगे।"
विज्ञापन में महिला सैन्यकर्मियों को अपने साथ कंडोम रखने की हिदायत तो दी ही गई है साथ ही यह भी कहा गया है कि यदि वे ऐसा नहीं करेंगी तो उन्हें ऐसी परिस्थिति का सामना करना पड़ेगा, जिसे सुनना वे पसंद नहीं करेंगी। युद्ध क्षेत्र में हालांकि शारीरिक संबंध बनाने की इजाजत नहीं होती है लेकिन समान रैंक के पुरुष व महिला सैनिकों के बीच यदि संबंध बन जाते भी हैं तो कमांडर कुछ नहीं करते और अपनी आंखें मूंद लेते हैं। नियमों के मुताबिक यदि कोई महिला सैन्यकर्मी गर्भवती होती है तो युद्धक्षेत्र को छोड़कर उसे स्वदेश लौटना पड़ता है।
उल्लेखनीय है कि इराक युद्ध के समय जनवरी 2003 से फरवरी 2009 के दौरान ब्रिटेन की कम से कम 102 महिला सैन्यकर्मी गर्भवती हुईं थी। इस वजह से उन्हें स्वदेश भेज दिया गया था। इसी अवधि के दौरान अफगानिस्तान में 31 महिला सैन्यकर्मी गर्भवती हुईं।
Thanks Mr Singh for clearing the doubt. I got carried away with that an intelligent man is advocating incestual practises and justifying it with christian mythological beliefs which is not more than 2000 years old.
As you can read these are theories not established principles or laws. I may like any theory but I dnt prop my social opinion on subjective academics.
One recent theory claims that neanderthals had extincted due to inbreeding.
Yes Samar, theories are so many. I read somewhere that Darwin also said something on evolution of mankind and had forecast that those species which were not compassionate to other species and were not prepared to adapt themselves to the changed circumstances will become extinct. I do not know how far Darwin was speaking the truth and you have every right to challenge him as well. As you said theories are not established principles. Going by that analogy, Nietzsche's philosophy was also just a theory which you proclaimed to be following religiously the other day. It means whatever our forefathers had theorized need not, necessarily, be established principles or laws. Going by your argument, these theories seem to have no relevance as hardly any theory propounded by them has scientifically been proved to be absolute (except for the same-clan marriage which I do not dispute and have given my vote in your favour as advised by you.) Please do not attribute this statement to me, it is you who think so.
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One recent theory claims that neanderthals had extincted due to inbreeding.
Inbreeding does NOT lead to weaker genes. It just leads to less diversification of the gene pool. I am not sure what the theory is, but if neanderthels already had some weak genes, then inbreeding could have led to those genes becoming dominant. However, inbreeding could similarly lead to dominance of stronger genes. Selective inbreeding is done for many animals to produce a superior breed. Many royal families across the world have practised inbreeding supposedly to restrict their "superior" gene pool and not "corrupt" it with outside genes. When Jats or any other caste marry strictly within themselves, they are also practising a form of inbreeding. So, if the point about Neanderthals is to highlight dangers of extinction due to inbreeding, then surely Jats should marry anyone else but a Jat to avoid that danger?
Moderanity can be defined as anything except INCEST.
Don't think Moderanity can be defined at all. The word doesn't even exist. (Won't have said it, but since you were going ballistic about the spelling of village on another thread, I thought I'd point it out).
rakeshsehrawat
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Bhai manne to ude bhi ek baat likh ke saari desi mein e bagai mere vyakaran pe na jawe Bhavnao ko samajhDon't think Moderanity can be defined at all. The word doesn't even exist. (Won't have said it, but since you were going ballistic about the spelling of village on another thread, I thought I'd point it out).
Tradition is the word that we use it for escaping from the responsibilities of the actions those are causing the discomfort in life, Tradition never meant to be followed blindly, the time when these so called traditions were made no one try to look in to the circumstances at that era. Most of the traditions have become overhead to the routine life and we dont know the significance of the some so called traditions but we follow because they are being followed for ages. While modernity requires to alter in these traditions to give them the new look and to ease people to follow them, conflicts occur when we are not ready to accept these changes. Changes are the law of nature. We alter can alter laws, fashion, language, thinking, business etc based on the circumstances why cant we change out traditions as per our needs or ease.
Bhai upender, modernity se itni narajgi achi nahi hai, zamana hamesha modern hi raha hai. 30-40 saal pehle gaon mei log dhoti kurta pehnte they or badi boodhi auratein ghagra, pher aadmi pajama pehrne lage or auratein saari ar suit salwar. Pher aadmi pant shirt peharne lage or aajkal jeans or t-shirt chal gayee hai. Parivartan to hamesha se hota aaya hai or hota rahega, jab ham boodhe ho jaayenge to hame sun ne mei milega ki aap log to bagut purane jamane ke ho, modern nahi bah paaye, jabki hame ab lagata hai ki hum log modern time mei hai. Hum sab apne hisaab se modernity define karte hai, or kuch time ke baad hum purane ho jaate hai or nai generation modern ho jaati hai.
Yes sure it is the modern life style which tends to drive people towards immoral acts like illicit relations and other sins. I agree such tendencies have been persisting through all the ages but there is a difference. It is very hard to avoid illicit relations, but today it is going out of limit in so called moderns. Mostly people in this world have more than one partner throughout the life, but in India people don't want their children to indulge in illicit relations, which means they say to their kids that we couldn't avoid it but if you can then please don't do so. That is the Indian culture. If parents keep on warning against such immoral acts then good charactered people will be taking birth here. But in West parents don't give such teachings to their kids.
I would like to suggest that don't overestimate the science. Science had claimed some years back that a girl could be turned into a boy, but what happened? That claim proved baseless. These days science is again claiming something special. According to the scientists they are very near to invent such a pill which will enable the human being to live for more than 100 years. But science has no answer for that 82 year old Mataji who has been living for last 65 years without eating or drinking anything. Be educated as much as you can, but don't do such things to others what you don't want others to do with you. Will any body want that his sister has a number of boyfriends? If not, then why are you doing so with others' sisters? Will anybody want that his wife has post marital affairs? If not then why are you doing so with others' wives? Same thing for females. If there is some power running this world and we all are creations of that power, then surely that power punish who indulge in such immoral acts and good doers certainly are rewarded. I am just sharing views here, otherwise I am not going to worry if this whole world is busy in living life to the maximum.