pnauhwar21 said:
Ram was kidnapped alongwith Lakshman by Ahiravan who was another brother of Ravan from so called pataal
then Hanuman brought both of them back.
Hanuman had special powers that no shashtra could harm him. Meghnaad used Brahmastra which Hanuman respected and himself got entangled into it. Ravan didnt insult him..rather Hanuman made mockery of his power..He was a naughty monkey god
good point....could you please give the reference in Ramayan in which chapter (shaloka ) Ahiravan kidnapped Ram and Lakshman and I will research it further.
Yes, Ravan insulted Hanuman and usme aag laga kar saare city me ghumaya thaa....you do not burn somebody if you respect them. Ravan did not respect anybody. not even his own brothers and relatives.
So you think Hanuman was a monkey and he was a God. but this conflicts with your next post where you are saying Ram was not God. Are you saying Hanuman was God?
The way I interpret it is that Hanuman was not a monkey and he was not God also. He was a human being with lot of wisdom and skills. He belonged to a sect of people called VANAR.
yes, Ram killed bali from the hiding ...but why did not Sugreev and Hanuman did it?
I tend to agree with you that Ram was not God and he was a human being with extra abilities. He had all human qualities..he was born to human parents and he died when he grew old. he had wife and kids....and he had all the emotions which all human being do have...hunger , happiness, anger, pain, sorrow and many more...
where as God do not have these qualities. refer to the yajurveda mantra(40/8)
this mantra clearly says that God is formless and free from all pain and misery. he is by himself(swayambhu).... he does not grow old...uska janam and mrityu nahi hote...he is forever....he does not need any assistance from anyone...and he is the only father of the world...and that he only should be worshiped.
Ram had none of these qualities...and in my view he was not God.
Why he is called God:- most of the people just believe what they are told. and they do not even want to think about it. for them Ram is God and if anyone say otherwise, it hurts thier feelings. coming back to why Ram is called God. Patanjal yog Darsahn says that when you do yog-sadhna( yam[satya, ahinsa, asteya, brahamcharya, a-parigraha] , niyam[soch, santosh, tap, swa-dhaya,ishwar parnidhan], aasan, pranayam, prityahar, Dharna , dhayan , samadhi) you realize the God in your body in the samadhi state. aajkal log jisko yoga bolte hain that is not yoga...that is only aasan(excercise) by due to lack of knowledge they call it yoga. So in samadhi stage when you realize God, he further says that you get some divya powers. and you become equivallent to God but he does not say you become God. Rishis vyas in vedant darshan says such person get all the pwoer excepts the power of creation of the universe. So a yogi is euivalent to god but not god. it is like saying...kai bar society me bhee dekhneme milta hai ki when you respect some one...you say he is like my fahter...but he is not your father...same is the case of a yogi. they are like God but they can never be God. Ramayan me bahoot jagha likha hai ki Ram was a yogi and he used to study vedas. So it is okay to use the word bahgwan for Ram to give him extra respect. but we must remember that it does not make him God. Same is the case of Shri Krishan. he is known as yogeshwer in Gita.
Ram he was a great person....and a lot of things can be learned from his charachter....he was maryada prurushotam.(purushon me uttam).
) learn these details and teach others it will benefit the society and nobody can raise a finger on Shree Ram.