Jat and Religion

ravinderjeet

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JATs ko Hinduism ka tyaag kar dena chahiye....

jat to pahalam tein-a hindu koni ,aaj kaal nayaa-2 parchalan chaal padyaa ,mandir banaawan kaa,kaanwad layaawan kaa,barat raakhan kaa er mataa kaa darbaar er dhongi baba dhore jaawan kaa.
 
Very true ! Jat were never hindus abhi 10-20 saal se ye ghantiyan bajane lage hai mandir ki. Now some Jats call themselves Hindu Jats ...makes no sense !


JATs ko Hinduism ka tyaag kar dena chahiye....

jat to pahalam tein-a hindu koni ,aaj kaal nayaa-2 parchalan chaal padyaa ,mandir banaawan kaa,kaanwad layaawan kaa,barat raakhan kaa er mataa kaa darbaar er dhongi baba dhore jaawan kaa.
 
Very true ! Jat were never hindus abhi 10-20 saal se ye ghantiyan bajane lage hai mandir ki. Now some Jats call themselves Hindu Jats ...makes no sense !

Right! Then what were Jats earlier? Muslims, Christians, Jews or something else?
 
Bhai Jat muslim the pehle. Hindu dharam to humne pakistan se alag hone ke baad apnaya hai.Azadi ke baad kuch Jat to pakistan chale gaye the aur jo Bharat mei reh gaye the unhone ya to araya samaj apnaya ya phirr hindu dharam mei tabdeel ho gaye
 
Bhai Jat muslim the pehle. Hindu dharam to humne pakistan se alag hone ke baad apnaya hai.Azadi ke baad kuch Jat to pakistan chale gaye the aur jo Bharat mei reh gaye the unhone ya to araya samaj apnaya ya phirr hindu dharam mei tabdeel ho gaye

Hey bhagwan,bera na ke ke sunke marna padega.
 
Bhai malik unko mulle Jat kahte he unke sath to Hindu Jatoon ke reste nahi hote he.Ha kuch ladkio ki kami ke karan ab unki ladkio se to saadi kar lete he lekin ladkia unko nahi dete he.Aise udhaharan Gurgaon ke Doulatabad gaon me mil jainghe kiyonki yaha 2-4 ghar mulle Jatoon ke he kionki aap bhi Gurgaon me hi ho oor yeh gaon gurgaon ke bich me aachuka he is baar ke master plan ke mutabik oor jiyada dur bhi nahi he aapse.
Oor bhai yedi aapke ya aapke gaon me koi aisa udaharan he to aap bata dena yeh jatland ke history page par likhna jaruri he.
Oor kuch muslims ne Mevat me jarur kaha tha ki aab ham hindu banena chahate he lekin brahmano ne unhe mana kar diya tha oor vo aaj bhi muslim hi he.
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acha to aapke dada pardada muslim they? iska matlab yeh naa hai ki sabke they. atleast mhare to naa they. kabhi raja surajmal ya raja nahar singh ka naam suna hai?? wei ajadi se to bahut pehle ke they.

Bhai Jat muslim the pehle. Hindu dharam to humne pakistan se alag hone ke baad apnaya hai.Azadi ke baad kuch Jat to pakistan chale gaye the aur jo Bharat mei reh gaye the unhone ya to araya samaj apnaya ya phirr hindu dharam mei tabdeel ho gaye
 
Rakesh ji, Aapne ek dum sahi farmaya hai..Main Mula Jat ke baare mei hi baat kar raha hoon yahn per. Aaj bhi haryana ke kayi gaon mei Jat log "Peer" ki dhok marte hain. Baaki aap wiki ke upar bhi Jat ki history ko dekh sakte hain.

Ambala Division
Almost all of the Ambala Division Muslim Jats moved to Pakistan after partition in 1947. The Ambala Division's Muslim Jats were also referred as the Muley Jats.
[edit]Ambala District
The total Muslim Jat population of the district, according to the 1931 Census of India, was 10,956 (10%) out of a total population of 106,402. According to the 1911 census, the following were the principal Muslim Jat clans:
Baidwan (41)
Bains (78)
Bal (97)
Chahal (152)
Dhariwal (202)
Dhillon (97)
Dhindsa (17)
Gill (165)
Heer or Hayer (27)
Kang (14)
Maan (207)
Mangat (255)
Pawania (49)
Sarai (17)
Sidhu (19)
Sandhu (240)
Waraich (12)

Hissar District
The total Muslim Jat population of the district, according to the 1931 Census of India, was 5,311 (3%) out of a total population of 224,889. According to the 1911 census, the following were the principal Muslim Jat clans:
Bhainiwal (540)
Bola (35)
Chahal (77)
Chanhan (26)
Dhillon (11)
Dandiwal (34)
Dohan (83)
Gill (29)
Godara (264)
Lahar (10)
Mahla (22)
Maan (101)
Nain (96)
Pangal (79)
Punia (132)
Sehwag (Sihag) (24)
Sarai (65)
Sawaich (40)
Sheoran (43)
 
acha to aapke dada pardada muslim they? iska matlab yeh naa hai ki sabke they. atleast mhare to naa they. kabhi raja surajmal ya raja nahar singh ka naam suna hai?? wei ajadi se to bahut pehle ke they.

Bhai main Mulla jat ke baare mei bat kar raha hoon yahan per.
 
Jat is not religion-bound . We are above all religions
sikh hindu muslim.... jats are same.
Arya samaj was equally popular among HIndu as well as Sikh jats.
Thanks to this Bahman kaum ... jisne jaato ko Dharmik bana diya :D
 
जिन्हें ऐसा लगता है कि जाटों का तो धर्म से कोई लेना-देना ही नहीं है, तो फिर उन्हें अपना धर्म त्याग देना चाहिए और इस दुनिया में बिना धर्म के जीना चाहिए. ये दुनिया ऐसे बे-धर्म वालों को अच्छा-खासा सबक सिखा देगी. पता नहीं कहां से ये अफवाह फ़ैल रही है कि जाटों का तो भारत से और हिंदू धर्म से कोई मतलब ही नहीं है. ऐसे लोग अहसानफरामोश हैं, जो मुसलमान, सिख या ईसाई बनने पर उस धर्म को भी गाली बकने लगेंगे. भारत की मिट्टी ने जाटों को सम्मान दिया, सुरक्षा दी, एक अच्छी संस्कृति दी, हिंदू धर्म जैसा महान धर्म दिया...धर्म अपनाना कुछ मजबूरी रही होगी, जो हमारे पूर्वजों ने धर्म अपनाया. जाटों में ऐसे लोगों की बहुलता है, जो बेहद धार्मिक हैं और धर्म के नाम पर किसी भी हद तक जा सकते हैं. हरियाणा में गौ-वध को लेकर कई बार मुसलमानों की हत्याएं की जा चुकी हैं और यदि हिंदू धर्म को गाली बकने वाले जाट ऐसा खुले आम कह दें तो फिर जाटों के ही हाथों उनकी शामत आना तय है. ये अच्छी बात है कि भारत और हिंदू धर्म को गाली बकने वाले जाटों की संख्या पूरी जाट कौम में ना के बराबर है. हर देश में, हर धर्म में, हर जाति में खुद को बुरा कहने वाले लोग हैं. जिन्हें अपने देश, धर्म और जाति से कुछ मिला होगा, वे इनकी प्रशंसा करेंगे और जिन्हें कुछ नहीं मिला होगा वे गाली बकेंगे. अभी यहीं पता चला था कि कोई मि. सिवाच और एक-दो और ऐसे ही जाट जाटों को खूब बुरा बताते हैं....बाद में पता चला कि ये सिवाच जाटों की वजह से किलसा हुआ है, क्योंकि जाटों ने उसके प्रेमविवाह में अड़चन डाली थी...तो ऐसे लोगों की परवाह नहीं करनी चाहिए...यहां जाटलैंड पर ऐसे अहसानफरामोश जाट शायद ही कोई हो, जैसी कुछेक बातें ऊपर हिंदू धर्म के विरुद्ध कही गई हैं, मैं समझता हूं कि वे बातें शरारत करने के लिए कही गई हैं...ये देखने के लिए कही गई हैं कि देखें ऐसी बातों से कौन-कौन परेशान होता है...
 
हरियाणा, जो पहले पंजाब का ही एक हिस्सा था, उसका पंजाब से अलग होने का कारण ही यह था कि उसकी संस्कृति, उसका धर्म पश्चिमी पंजाब से अलग था. कुछ अहसानफरामोश सिख अगर भारत से अलग होकर खालिस्तान बनाने का सपना देख रहे थे तो उसका भी कारण काफी हद तक धर्म ही था. ऐसे में यह कहना कि जाटों का तो धर्म-मजहब से कुछ लेना-देना ही नहीं है, पूरी तरह से आधारहीन है.
 
Ravinderjeet Ji, religion is very personal to every individual. You should abstain yourself from making such comments about what Jats should do and should not do about their religion.

It seems that you have given a JUDGEMENT and written your judgement in bigger font size.

Ravinderjeet Ji, agar apko lagta h k mandir banvane ka prachalan, kanwar lane ka, vrat rakhne ka aur Mata ke darbar jane ka prachalan abhi se chala h (apke lifetime me hi) to itne sare prachin (old) mandir apke hisab se abhi bane honge.

PS: - Commenting with incomplete/insufficient knowledge is far more dangerous than possessing insufficient knowledge.

JATs ko Hinduism ka tyaag kar dena chahiye....
 
Very Confusing Thread with controversial topic......! Dont we have something positive to discuss rather than digging out such topics which will neither be useful to anyone nor will be concluded ever.

Ravinder bhai.... Tu Allbaadha aale taage mein e sahi s.... ude e laagya reh.....!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock




JATs ko Hinduism ka tyaag kar dena chahiye....

jat to pahalam tein-a hindu koni ,aaj kaal nayaa-2 parchalan chaal padyaa ,mandir banaawan kaa,kaanwad layaawan kaa,barat raakhan kaa er mataa kaa darbaar er dhongi baba dhore jaawan kaa.
 
As this is generally a sensitive subject, readers and participants are reminded to be a little reflective and accommodating of other people’s views before posting.
It is very possible to have an intellectual discussion, indeed a heated exchange, while still being respectful of others, and being polite.
Below is an extract from R S Joon’s book on the “history of the Jats” online in our site.
.Joon was a simple man, a military man, whose son’s rose to high positions in the Indian Army.
He, for his time, showed a remarkable insight in the ethos of the Jats, and their history. He is worth reading.
As a note to keep in mind- the English word ‘religion’ does not equate to the Hindi’ word Dharm’
Dharm is a ‘way of life,’ a way of ‘ righteousness’. The meaning gets lost in the English translation, for religion is more equivalent to the Semitic religions Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, who follow a book, a divine revelation.
Dharm is not only a philosophy but also how one should lead one’s daily life.
Jats followed a ‘dharm’ not a ‘religion’

Ravi Chaudhary




\http://www.jatland.com/home/History_of_the_Jats/Chapter_I

Jats are very religious minded people. From the earliest times, they have believed in One God and have worshipped Him. Their mode of worship is to remember God and express their gratitude to Him at any and all times. They do not, and have never believed in rituals and worship of idols or evil spirits. That is why no religious shrine of any importance exists in the Jat area. They do, however, believe in a form of ancestor worship. Certain days and customs are observed to propitiate the dead. Every village has a little shrine called Bhaiyan. It is a modest samadhi of the first man who died after that village came into being.
On certain days women visit this shrine, light a Ghee lamp, fold their hands and say, "0 grand father look after our menfolk and cattle". Men seek his blessings before proceeding to perform on important task like house building, marriage or battle. Married couples pay their homage to him the very next day after' the bride comes to her husband's home. This Bhaiyan worship is, however, carried out by individuals when and in whatever manner they choose. There is no fixed prayer, no rituals, no offering of money or foodstuff and no middlemanship of a priest.
Any religion, which preached oneness of God and condemned superstitions and idol worship easily appealed to and was adopted by Jats in large numbers at different times. When Vedic Hinduism gave place to Pauranic idol worship religion began to be used by priests as a means of livelihood; superstitious and awe inspiring beliefs tales and rituals, were introduced in religion to frighten people into giving offerings to idols and priests who became self appointed agents of God; non Brahmins were debarred from studying Sanskrit and religious books to make them, easily exploitable and ignorant. Jats became Buddhists and remained so long after other people in India went back to Brahmanism consequent to the decline of Buddhism. Buddhist influence is still prevalent amongst the Jats. They don't eat meat, do not wear the sacred thread, and do not stick much for untouchability as other Indians do and respect saints. When Buddhism almost disappeared from. India, Jats became devotees of saints. Dhanna Bhagat, Haridas, Garib Das and Nishchal Das, who were Jats, became prominent saints at this stage. The saints not being versed in Sanskrit could not however contend effectively with the Brahmins. Saint Nishchal Das was born in village Kirohli District Rohtak in a prominent family of Dahiya Gotra. He was a promising boy and as he grew up his interest in learning Sanskrit, developed and he proceeded to Kashi for Sanskrit learning. But according to the rules of Dharam Shashtra in those days, non-Brahmins were not allowed admission in the Sanskrit Vidayala. The young boy disguised himself as a Brahmin's son and got admission for learning Sanskrit there. He declared his name as NISCHAL DASS.
The Guru was kind enough to this boy due to his brilliancy, as he was the best student in his class. When NISCHAL DASS completed his studies, he went to his 'Guru' to say 'Good Bye' and for his blessings. At the time of his farewell the Guru asked him to marry his daughter. NISCHAL DASS showed his reluctance on the plea that he considered the Guru's daughter equivalent to his sister. The 'Guru' was not convinced. At last NISCHAL DASS had to reveal that he was a JAT by caste and not the son of Brahmin. The Guru remarked in anger, "The sin of educating a JAT lies on my head". He further cursed NISGHAL DASS; "May thou suffer incurable fever for ever".
NISCHAL DASS became a remarkable Saint and exposed the wrong dogmas of Puranic Mat. He wrote a new philosophy book 'BICHAR SAGAR' which is considered as a comprehensive book on Vedic literature. On this account Sant NISCHAL DASS is counted amongst fore-ranking philosophers.
A large number of Jats became Sadhus. According 1911 census, the number of Jat Sadhus in Punjab was 37000. Jats however, could never be coerced into accepting the superstitious teachings of the Brahmins, who being the only chroniclers, slanderously labeled the Jats in historical records as atheists, 'rakshash' and low born. These ill feelings between Brahmins and Jats have continued unabated ever since.
When Sikhism came into being, almost all the Jats of Punjab became Sikhs. Some Jats had already adopted Islam and those in European countries had became Christians; thus reducing the population of Hindu Jats, the only people to continue calling themselves Jats, to its present small total.
When the Sant movement declined, Swami Dayanand Saraswati founded Arya Samaj on Vedic lines. All the Jats of Haryana, Rajasthan, Brij and Uttar Pradesh readily adopted Arya Samaj as their religion. The reader will notice that Jats have from time to time adopted only those religions, which preached only one God and condemned idol worship and superstitious beliefs. A Jat however remains a Jat irrespective of his religion- In India, non Hindu Jats, although not calling themselves Jats any longer, have retained their Jat gotras. Most of the Christian Jats, except a few, have however, given up using their ancient gotra titles. This retention of the gotras has been the greatest single factor in retracing the. lost history of the Jats.
 
Bhai ya Ankur Malik choora tamne kati lhaseet-Paseet diya yo to bechara mulle jatoo ke pass beth gaya hoga oor unki kade baat sun li hogi oor aap sabne milke saari-ki-saari toope iski taraf taandi.
Jat to Jat hoose Jat jesa khule dil ka oor doosri kisi jati me na milta koe bhi.
Oor rahi Hindu Jat ki baat to bhaioo doosre hinhuo ne itne taang kiye the Rajasthan me ki unko padna bhi nahi diya jata tha sirf Rajput or brahman hi pad sakte the kabhi apne Jatland par hi "Swami Keshwanand" ki hi biography pad lo bera laag jaga kis tarah dukh pakar Rajathan me Jatoo ko unka haq dilvaya tha.Biograpjy padte-padte aakhon me paani aaja se.
 
Religion is a way of life or a set of values prescribed to govern any particular society in a particular phase of time in a right direction. The religious ethos should keep pace with changing material conditions and level of consciousness. It tends to become superstition and dogma after a certain phase of evolution where the religious bigots and selfish rulers forcefully keep the outdated values alive in order to perpetuate their hegemony over the gullible people of society. The church and temples have always been greatly influenced by the regimes that were. There was a time when people were made to believe by the tyrant rulers through their pampered and hired clergy that King is the incarnation of god and hat planets like Moon and Mars are gods. Those myths have since been busted by the increased level of consciousness and advancement of scientific and technical knowhow.

In the modern globalised world, the role of temple and mosque has been shrinking very rapidly. The nexus between the present day priest and the ruler (politicians in the present context) seem to be losing ground and their main survival plank – the forced religion is gradually vanishing. Religious issues are the lifeline for politicians of all hues – be it Hindu or Muslim. Therefore, they want to keep the issues like Ayodhaya alive. A common man has nothing to do with these issues.

Our focus should be on peace and progress. How to march ahead to keep pace with the developed world should be our agenda. India has so many burning issues like poverty, under-development, mal-nutrition, illiteracy, unemployment etc. The religious disputes will lead us nowhere but to a blind alley. In my assessment, Jats are the least superstitious people. It doesn’t mean to say that they are non-believers. They are in fact the true believers (in one god only) and know very little about hypocrisy. I think that is what Ravinderjeet wanted to convey in his post which is being misunderstood by some friends.
 
@Ravi Chaudhary

Sir, I read your post and also the content, written by Ram Swarup Joon. I found nothing wrong in that content, but I found it incomplete. I have some questions unanswered. I am not asking anybody to answer these question, but I am just talking about these;

Lord Shiva, Hanuman are pure Hindu gods. If Jats believe in one god and don't believe in idols or staunch Hinduism, then why each Jat groom visits temple of Hindu gods after his ghudchadi? Our mode of marriage is also same as of the Hindus.
Almost all Hindu Jats believe that our creator is Lord Shiva and Hanuman is also our own god. Hindu Jats may give any sacrifice to save the prestige of Hanuman. If Jats don't believe in idols and staunch Hinduism, then why do they have so much respect for Hanuman or Lord Shiva?
Almost all Hindu Jats celebrate Diwali (a festivity related with Hindu god Lord Rama), Holi and Janmashtami (birthday of Lord Krishna). Are all such Jats fools?
Singh, Kumar etc. are pure Hindu surnames. Why do we Jats use these, if we are/were not Hindu?
A religion is established by or on the name of some divine soul. A Christian is who follows Jesus Christ. Christian. Islam was established by Mohammad. A Mohammadan is who follows Mohammad. Mohammadan. Budhists follow Buddha. Sikh religion was established by Guru Nanak. Our Hindu Jats' gods are Lord Shiva, Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Hanuman and many others.
What the hell this mean that we are not Hindus? Who are we then? We are 100% Hindu. In fact, we are Hindu more than any other Hindus. If someone wants to give up Hinduism, then one shouldn't use anything related with the Hinduism. Names, surnames, mode of life, culture, festivities...all. Then if ever this world will ask-'hey, who are you?', what will be our answer? If we answer-'we are Jats, only Jats', then if this world asks us-'Who is your god, who is your establisher', then what will be our answer?

I think we Jats are Hindu basically, but some of the Jats converted to Islam and Sikhism etc. other religions, because they were forced or lured to do so. We Hindu Jats are better then such converted Jats as we didn't bow in odd and tough circumstances. Whole India will be with us if we are attacked by Pakistanis or any other country, but if we are only Jats, we will have to face the music alone. We are best caste in this world, but if this best 'caste' will be attacked by some 'country', then we will be finished out.

I know that no sensible person here is saying that we are not Hindus or we should give up Hinduism, but as a matter of fact if one member after the another will write against the Hinduism here, then it is highly objectionable and we will have to reply suitably.
 
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