Jat Ekta ka Alap -1
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anilsangwan
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भाई, क्यों कनफूज होवे..... "मलिक" तो "मालिक" शब्द का बिगडोडा रूप स ......मालिक मतलब भगवान् ..... एक इ मलिक बहुत सारी दुनिया खातिर... यो अपना जाटलैंड आला दीपक मलिक.... यो इ नहीं काबू में आवे किसे के ... तो फेर चाहे 52 हो चाहे 84 .......!!!! :angel:
haan ye mhari dhab kai west UP walay Malik bhi kaboo mai na aatay...par kai karay mhari jaydatar ristydari in gathwalay walo kai sath hi ho :suspicion:
malikdeepak1
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Bhai "Tarzon" UP me ho ske hai 52 gaon ho. Mhara rohtak/sunpat to Malik ar dahiya te bhrya pada se.
puneetlakra
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both are different in haryana malik's village 84 and more then this may be 108 you can check it latlands village list malik's has almost 600 villages in India , you can check it by names of khap pradhan , you find both the above khaps are different ask name of gatwala 52 and 84 may be you find another also. khap does not means all same gotra villages included , if they are very far they make another khap panchayat . dahiya has 52 villages in haryana in sonepat and panipat district but chalisa has own dahiya khap panchayat of sonepat dist. and rest have another . same with maliks , rathi' s have village in UP also but in haryana in bahadur garh 15-16 villages they also have rathi khap, and UP villages also have, same in Dabas delhi have 14 dabas villages have their own panchayat but UP and Rajasthan villages have their own. Don't get confuse identify them with their number of villages and region
Par Khap ka naam to Gathwala hi hia....Haryana walay bhi Gathwala boltay hia apni KHap ko...or West UP walay bhi...
So I just wondering...the Gathwala Khap of West UP and Haryana is same or different???
So I just wondering...the Gathwala Khap of West UP and Haryana is same or different???
puneetlakra
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So what gotra hai malik gathwala , ye patent thode hi hai ki ek panchayat lagaye or doosari nahi, jitne bhi same gotra ke hai sabhi aas pass ke village milke banate hai khap panchayat , khap ek medium hai communication ka jo zayda se zyada logo tak decision or mass opinion banane or batane mei . kyoki jat jayaatar ek sath rehte hai (same gotra ke) thabhi yeh khap system start hua hai aur iske bahut sare objectives Raja harshvardhan ne banye the.
arry punit ji ye sub maloom hia mujhay khap system kai baray mai...par jaise Tomar ki Khap ka naam "Desh Khap" hia...par Desh khap ka naam Haryana kai Tomar village ya Mathura kai Tomar village use nahi kartay...aise hi Gathwala gotr nahi hia...Malik gotr ki Khap ka naam hia (I think so)...par Gathwala Khap ka naam Haryana walay bhi use karaty hia or West UP walay Malik bhi
puneetlakra
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jab aap jante ho tab confuse kyo ho.
Bhai yo ke yaad dua diya ghani maadi kari in donua ne mere gel byah nahi hon diya kai saal meri Maa Dahiya hai ar Dadi Malik badi mushkil te paar padi hai.
Confusion is baat ka tha ki Haryana ka Gathwala Khap or West UP ki Gathwala Khap same hia ya alag alag...
mai abhi tak soch rha tha same khap hia...but ab pata laga Haryana or west up ki gathwala khap alag alag hia
mai abhi tak soch rha tha same khap hia...but ab pata laga Haryana or west up ki gathwala khap alag alag hia
puneetlakra
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Prashant ji UP me bhi inherit ion ka rule nahi hai yeh parampra ban gayi hai kuch jagah. ch mahinder singh tikait ki 14 vi generation hai jo balyan khap kai choudhary hai,
pehle koi aur tha , AUR naresh bhi Unanimous decision se bane hai na ki mahinder singh ke bete ke karan .
Jis din yeh sab hua mai Sisouli ke gher mei persent tha vo taikait sahab ki tehravee ka din tha , naresh ka naam ch. ramkaran solanki jo palam 360 ke pradhan hai unhone propose kiya tha aur logo ne hath uthaa kar hami bahari. Inherited ka rule nahi hai , purane pariwar ko sabhi log acche se jante hai isliye agar unka kisi viwad se connection nahi hota tab usi pariwar se kisi ko chun lete hai.
pehle koi aur tha , AUR naresh bhi Unanimous decision se bane hai na ki mahinder singh ke bete ke karan .
Jis din yeh sab hua mai Sisouli ke gher mei persent tha vo taikait sahab ki tehravee ka din tha , naresh ka naam ch. ramkaran solanki jo palam 360 ke pradhan hai unhone propose kiya tha aur logo ne hath uthaa kar hami bahari. Inherited ka rule nahi hai , purane pariwar ko sabhi log acche se jante hai isliye agar unka kisi viwad se connection nahi hota tab usi pariwar se kisi ko chun lete hai.
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prashantacmet
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Bhai sahab!..
First point : shaayd aapne anil bhai ki post nahi padhi..sangwan haryana main yeh inherited hai..to kewal UP main hi nahi haryana main bhi inherited hai..to baat yeh hai ki yeh inherited bhi hai aur kai jagah chuni bhi jaati hai..dono hi baatein theek hai....aur kuch jagah chaudhary kahte hai aur kuch jagah pradhan...aur jaha tak aapne chuune waali baat kahi..yeh wahi baat hai ki jaise nehru khaandaan ka india pe raaj karna chunav dwara hota hai..congress sarv sammiiti se nehru khandan main se kisi ek ko chunti hai..par wo inherited hi hai
...Doosra point: khaape kewal jaatoein ki hi nahi hai..dossri caste ki bhi hai..yeh rahi rakesh sangwaan ji i post
Teesra Point: ek khaap main ek hi gotra nahi hota usme alag alag gotra bhi ho sakte hai..jais eki aapne kaha ki ch. ramkaran solanki palam 360 ke pradhan hai..to jaahir si baat hai yeh sabhi gaam ek gotra ke to nahi hai
Chautha point: aapne kaha ki agar ek kisi ek gotra ka gaam dossri khap ke andar padta hai to wo apni apni khap main aayega ne ki us khaap main jisme wo padta hai..jaisa ki maine malik gathwala ke baare main poocha tha..to jais eki aapne kaha rathi khap main bas 14 khap hai..to jo gaam UP ke hai wo rathi khap main kyoun nahi hai..distanc eki to baat hai aur ussi ko aapne nakar diya ..to aapka senetence contradictory hai..iss fourth point ke support main dossra example tarzon ne diya
paanchva point: ek khaap main ek gotra hi nahi alag alag caste bhi hoti hai..yeh rahi raka ji ki post aur yeh haryana ki hi kahani hai
agar aapko kisi point pe discuss karna hai detail main to main tayayr huin..
last point:..main yeh sab argument apne aapko sahi saabit karne ke liye nhai kar raha ..balki aapni aur aap sab ki kahap ke baare main knowledge badhane ke liye kar raha huin...main aur bhi jo bujurg jaat hai iss site pe..wo apni khap ki knowledge share kare....
prashantacmet
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bhai mere..main wahi to kah raha huin..chuna jaata hai..par jab har baar ek hi pariivaar se chuna jaata hai to wo inherite dhoi ho jaat hai..jaise ke ghar ke baabu ke baad chaudhar bade bette ne di jaati hai jyadatar jagah ..par kuch rare case main chotte bette ko bhi chaudhary bana diya jata hai..par best guess to wahi hai ki bada betta hi banega..to wo logically inherited hi hai..theoritically aap kah sakte ho ki inherited nahi hai
prashantacmet
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came across this article...Best one on khap i have ever read.. just some excerpts are pasted here
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63717338/Khap-Panchayats
STRUCTURE OF THE KHAP PANCHAYAT
According to Pradhan,the Khap could be defi ned as a unit of a number of villages organised into a political council for the purpose of social control. The Khap area was inhabited either bya dominant caste that had control over most of its agricultural land, by a single clan or by morethan one clan, each with a number of villages and being predominant in those villages. When a single clan had only few villages say, four or fi ve other clans could also join into a commonKhap for the purpose of their defence and control over their people. When a Khap was dominatedby a single clan, its headship lay within that clan. When the number of clans exceeded one, theheadship went to that clan that had more number of villages under its aegis.The Khaps could be classified into the following types:
(1) Those based on a single caste and a single clan: In this category, a particular geographicalarea was dominated by a single
gotra of a particular caste. The gotra had a sizeable numberof villages in that area, for example, the Dahiya Khap, the Hooda Khap, the Malik Khap,the Sangwan Khap, the Sheoran Khap, and so on all of which were located in Sonepat,Rohtak, Bhiwani, the districts of Haryana and the Balyan Khap in the Muzaffarnagerdistrict of Uttar Pradesh. These Khaps had between 40-84 villages. The people of other gotra s also lived in these villages, but they were fewer in number. While other castes like theScheduled Castes and the Backward Castes also resided in these villages, the power andthe major landholding lay with the majority gotras.
(2) Those based on single-caste but multi-gotra
: Such types of Khaps consisted of entirevillages which were dominated by a single caste, with some of the villages dominated byvarious
gotras. The Chaubisi organisation of 24 villages of Meham in the Rohtak district of Haryana is an example of such a Khap.(3) Those based on multi-caste and multi-gotras: Such Khaps had villages in a particulargeographical area, of which some villages were dominated by a particular caste and othervillages by other castes but with different
gotras. These different castes which dominatedsuch Khaps enjoy more or less equal status in the caste hierarchy and own the major landholdingin these villages. The Bawal Khap of Chaurasi in the Rewari district is an exampleof such a Khap.
Khap Panchayats in Haryana
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Broadly speaking, there were four categories of Khap Panchayat: Sarv Khap Panchayat, KhapPanchayat, Tappa or Kanni Panchayat and the ubiquitous village panchayat.The Sarv Khap was the combination of many Khaps of neighbouring areas, but sometimesrepresentatives of other Khaps from far away also participated in it. The size of the Sarv Khapdepended upon the nature and seriousness of the issue involved. Participation in a Sarv Khap byrepresentatives of other Khaps was voluntary but only on invitation. Women were not allowedto participate in panchayats at any level, whether it was the Sarv Khap, the Khap (Tappa) oreven the village panchayat. Women were not even allowed to put their views in the panchayat incases related to women. Similarly, the lower castes and the Scheduled Castes did not participatein these panchayats. Sarv Khap Panchayats were held only when some serious issues were discussed.The panchayats were held very rarely. Such panchayats could also be caste-specific.The Khap for a dominant clan or caste included all castes falling under its jurisdiction.Each Khap had a pradhan , which was a post sometimes hereditary and sometimes nominated onthe basis of the pradhan ’s reputation for fair play, his power of argument and his socioeconomic position in the area. Where the matter under consideration was of a wider significance, thedecisions were binding on the other castes as well. In lesser matters, different castes could holdtheir separate panchayat on the pattern of that of the upper caste. If the dispute was inter-caste,it was decided by the Khap Panchayat of the upper caste or clan, in which the lower caste people also participated. The lower castes were expected to follow the norms and traditions of the uppercastes who fell under the jurisdiction of the Khap. For example, the minority caste would alsofollow the principle of Khap bhaichara or gotra bhaichara
. Therefore, the rule of exogamy wasapplied in cases of marriage among these castes.The Khap may be sub-divided into sub-units consisting of two to 12 villages based on theprinciple of local contiguity, kinship proximity and ties of economic and social interactionbetween the villagers. Of these villages, one village is usually larger than the others. Accordingto Pradhan, 21 a group of villages known as
Tappa or
Kanni
or
Ganawad
, have some feeling of commonness that binds them into one unit.These villages can organise a panchayat which is known as the Tappa Panchayat or theKanni Panchayat. These panchayats are open to participation and discussion irrespective of caste.It is only when this panchayat fails to resolve an issue that the matter is taken up at the Khaplevel. There is no hereditary pradhan at the tappa or kanni level. An infl uential person from thedominant caste who is considered a man of integrity and has the capacity to infl uence decisionsis nominated as pradhan for a particular panchayat. Sometimes, lower caste people also inviteinto their panchayat an infl uential person from the upper castes to resolve issues to ensure thattheir decisions gain wider acceptance
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63717338/Khap-Panchayats
STRUCTURE OF THE KHAP PANCHAYAT
According to Pradhan,the Khap could be defi ned as a unit of a number of villages organised into a political council for the purpose of social control. The Khap area was inhabited either bya dominant caste that had control over most of its agricultural land, by a single clan or by morethan one clan, each with a number of villages and being predominant in those villages. When a single clan had only few villages say, four or fi ve other clans could also join into a commonKhap for the purpose of their defence and control over their people. When a Khap was dominatedby a single clan, its headship lay within that clan. When the number of clans exceeded one, theheadship went to that clan that had more number of villages under its aegis.The Khaps could be classified into the following types:
(1) Those based on a single caste and a single clan: In this category, a particular geographicalarea was dominated by a single
gotra of a particular caste. The gotra had a sizeable numberof villages in that area, for example, the Dahiya Khap, the Hooda Khap, the Malik Khap,the Sangwan Khap, the Sheoran Khap, and so on all of which were located in Sonepat,Rohtak, Bhiwani, the districts of Haryana and the Balyan Khap in the Muzaffarnagerdistrict of Uttar Pradesh. These Khaps had between 40-84 villages. The people of other gotra s also lived in these villages, but they were fewer in number. While other castes like theScheduled Castes and the Backward Castes also resided in these villages, the power andthe major landholding lay with the majority gotras.
(2) Those based on single-caste but multi-gotra
: Such types of Khaps consisted of entirevillages which were dominated by a single caste, with some of the villages dominated byvarious
gotras. The Chaubisi organisation of 24 villages of Meham in the Rohtak district of Haryana is an example of such a Khap.(3) Those based on multi-caste and multi-gotras: Such Khaps had villages in a particulargeographical area, of which some villages were dominated by a particular caste and othervillages by other castes but with different
gotras. These different castes which dominatedsuch Khaps enjoy more or less equal status in the caste hierarchy and own the major landholdingin these villages. The Bawal Khap of Chaurasi in the Rewari district is an exampleof such a Khap.
Khap Panchayats in Haryana
337
Broadly speaking, there were four categories of Khap Panchayat: Sarv Khap Panchayat, KhapPanchayat, Tappa or Kanni Panchayat and the ubiquitous village panchayat.The Sarv Khap was the combination of many Khaps of neighbouring areas, but sometimesrepresentatives of other Khaps from far away also participated in it. The size of the Sarv Khapdepended upon the nature and seriousness of the issue involved. Participation in a Sarv Khap byrepresentatives of other Khaps was voluntary but only on invitation. Women were not allowedto participate in panchayats at any level, whether it was the Sarv Khap, the Khap (Tappa) oreven the village panchayat. Women were not even allowed to put their views in the panchayat incases related to women. Similarly, the lower castes and the Scheduled Castes did not participatein these panchayats. Sarv Khap Panchayats were held only when some serious issues were discussed.The panchayats were held very rarely. Such panchayats could also be caste-specific.The Khap for a dominant clan or caste included all castes falling under its jurisdiction.Each Khap had a pradhan , which was a post sometimes hereditary and sometimes nominated onthe basis of the pradhan ’s reputation for fair play, his power of argument and his socioeconomic position in the area. Where the matter under consideration was of a wider significance, thedecisions were binding on the other castes as well. In lesser matters, different castes could holdtheir separate panchayat on the pattern of that of the upper caste. If the dispute was inter-caste,it was decided by the Khap Panchayat of the upper caste or clan, in which the lower caste people also participated. The lower castes were expected to follow the norms and traditions of the uppercastes who fell under the jurisdiction of the Khap. For example, the minority caste would alsofollow the principle of Khap bhaichara or gotra bhaichara
. Therefore, the rule of exogamy wasapplied in cases of marriage among these castes.The Khap may be sub-divided into sub-units consisting of two to 12 villages based on theprinciple of local contiguity, kinship proximity and ties of economic and social interactionbetween the villagers. Of these villages, one village is usually larger than the others. Accordingto Pradhan, 21 a group of villages known as
Tappa or
Kanni
or
Ganawad
, have some feeling of commonness that binds them into one unit.These villages can organise a panchayat which is known as the Tappa Panchayat or theKanni Panchayat. These panchayats are open to participation and discussion irrespective of caste.It is only when this panchayat fails to resolve an issue that the matter is taken up at the Khaplevel. There is no hereditary pradhan at the tappa or kanni level. An infl uential person from thedominant caste who is considered a man of integrity and has the capacity to infl uence decisionsis nominated as pradhan for a particular panchayat. Sometimes, lower caste people also inviteinto their panchayat an infl uential person from the upper castes to resolve issues to ensure thattheir decisions gain wider acceptance
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यह तो फिर भी दो अलग अलग प्रदेशों की बात हैं , हरियाणा के भिवानी मे श्योरणों की अलग अलग खाप हैं एक श्योरण बावनी (52) के नाम से हैं व दूसरी श्योरान पच्चीशी (25) के नाम से हैं और यह दोनों साथ लगती हैं यह भी नहीं की अलग अलग ज़िले या प्रदेश मे हो |
rinkusheoran
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Bhai Kadde mili tanne ya khabar nyu to bta ki hooda se deal ho gia n ladke unke nokri lag gaye???
in one of the post above Vicky already mentioned that Chaudhary Hawa singh Sangwanji have two son(one daughter as well) and they have already passed the service age. As far as i know them even if age was not passed they(including her daughter) would have never applied in govt jobs. Till date they have not even applied for any govt service and same has been said by Chaudhary sahab as well.Either u r not getting what is written here or u r just ignorant. Ignorance is bliss but not always.
Kharab sahab , u have some personnel vendetta against him or something else this is what i can conclude after reading all your replies. Baki Anil Sangwan wala advice hai "जलो मत, रीस करो"
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Dear Rinku, please trust me I was never against and never felt jealous any time till today, betu, i had very satisfied life so far, for your kind info, as a student, i had been a good sportsman, represented haryana into national volley ball competition in 1968, punjab university in inter university badminton, had been president student union of my college and gen secretary of first haryana students union, commanded ncc punjab contigent in Republic day parade, joined army as an regular officer, pardon me when mr hawa singh was a Havildar in CRPF, i WAS a class one officer in army, while in service i always remained involved in public life, i retd as a senior army officer, i retd in jun 2000, had been twoice member of haryana sainik board, member Animal welfare board of India, Weather, kharb is khap or not but I am not heading it but put 84 kharb villages of haryana, up, delhi, rajesthan together and organiged the kharb gotra, without collecting even a single paisa from anybody, after retirement started a business and heading a pvt limited company where thousands people are serving, niether i am involved actively in reservation movement nor i am against it so why should i feel jealous of mr hawa singh, i never criticised his efforts any time, what ever i wrote was as per me in his and interest of the movement , suddenly mr sura questioned my gotra and my humbal leadership, niether khap was a topic nor he is kharb also not right so it normal that i had to feel little bad.