Jat unity-Are we really united ??

[arvindc]

Brother, I very much second with your viewpoint but at the same time I want to make your realise with few of the facts. I agree that we are superior race of alpha grade and we stand ahead in every other walk of life due to sheer hard work, determination and zeal to excel. We're like free as a wind and fearless as a Lion. We're frank n' forthright and arrogant n' rustic by nature, that's perfectly fine.

But my friend time is changing , even battle ground has changed and here we've to learn the 'Art of War' or we'll be defeated badly. You know a Lion sometimes can be killed by a group of hyenas, same situation emerged nowadays .. its Urban Jungle and as I stated not a familiar battle ground altogether and defeat is certain if you stick with old tactics and don't evolve with time. Yes! it's true .. as Ch. Chottu Ram stated 'Ek to dushman ko pechanana seekh le aur dusra bolna seekh le' so we need to equipped with the latest tactics and learn to thrive in today's world. And Unity is of utmost importance here, yeah .. very much true and Unity here doesn't mean we have to walk and fight in groups .. it's about growing together! Yes, to take our brethren together and help them in all means like financial, mentorship, guidance etc. I firmly believe our brethren've got immense energy and zeal to excel, all we require is to mentor and channelize it.

History is witness one who didn't evolve with time is vanished. And it's alarming situation with Jat community now, we've have been hard worker, fearless and self-dependent that's why our attitude has been a bit upfront, arrogant and rustic however we're very helping and good from heart. But nowadays in this urban jungle our enemies are equipped with arms like diplomacy, soft spokeness and back stabbing and to tackle with it we need to find out some strategy. Unity have got ultimate strength and it can defeat any such cheap tricks, and I already explained the true meaning of Unity in Jats context.

Hope it prevails some sense .. Unity is need of the hour and growing together is all we require!


Cheers
Jit

Well said Jit, the battle grounds have changed. The battles are no longer won on the ground now. It is much more complex and multidimensional. The role of psychology, politics, strategies, collaboration, discipline and will power, all play a crucial role for wining today's battles. The first battle that we Jat's needs to win is the battle with the our self; our own mind.

Of all living creatures on the Earth, God has given a special gift to Human Beings and that's is the power of brain. We should know how to use this power, we should learn the art of mastering over one's brain. Once this art is learnt, the ego, the jealousy would start fading and the zenith of harmony would start rising. In fact that's the whole theme of the Naveen Ji's book.

 

[jksangwan]

Dear umit, very correct observation of reality, thanks

Thank you,Kharb sir for highlighting very intellectual and deep(ghahri bat) of Sumit Jattan,he has said in one line which one can describe in one paragraph or more.What i am observing from this thread is that people who are away from there home town;feel need for unity whereas those who are in there hometown dont'(in majority).I am not understanding what's the pshcho behind this ? And these people are least tolerant.

 

[htomar]

What i am observing from this thread is that people who are away from there home town;feel need for unity whereas those who are in there hometown dont'(in majority).I am not understanding what's the pshcho behind this ? And these people are least tolerant.

This is true for every cast/community. Basicaly Jats are in cluster.jaha hai bahut jyada ya fir hai hi nahi.
1 jagah koi bhi community itni majority mai rahegi to jyada diff hona natural hai.
Sardar sabse jyada united hote hai.lekin Punjab mai unke bhi aapas mai bahut jhagde hai.punjab ke bahar hi jyada united dikhte hai wo.

 

[jksangwan]

once I was going to Bhiwani from Charkhi Dadri,in the train I met one person, a little short and fatty kind of person,during our conversation,i told him that I am jat;he was thakur from Bhiwani,he got little bit annoyed hearing my caste and started telling me a incident that once during his train journey from c dadri to bhiwani some jat youths started annoying him unnecessarily;as a result he called up his thakur youths and on bhiwani station his men beat up those jat youths to ****(i dont' know he might be boasting-as this is habit of thakars).He also told me that thakars in Bhiwani are so united that they support there thakar fellows unconditionally in every need and help;and it doesnt' matter that thakr is from which part of the country.I want to ask my friends From Bhiwani(those who are deeply fimiliar with the terrain of Bhiwani);is it true?

 

[jksangwan]

Friend,

Please come out with your 'idea of execution'! Everybody would co-operate with you if it were there.

Regards

How can I dare to come out with my idea of execution when Highly educated persons like you are not coming out, Sir.

 

[jksangwan]

once I was going to Bhiwani from Charkhi Dadri,in the train I met one person, a little short and fatty kind of person,during our conversation,i told him that I am jat;he was thakur from Bhiwani,he got little bit annoyed hearing my caste and started telling me a incident that once during his train journey from c dadri to bhiwani some jat youths started annoying him unnecessarily;as a result he called up his thakur youths and on bhiwani station his men beat up those jat youths to ****(i dont' know he might be boasting-as this is habit of thakars).He also told me that thakars in Bhiwani are so united that they support there thakar fellows unconditionally in every need and help;and it doesnt' matter that thakr is from which part of the country.I want to ask my friends From Bhiwani(those who are deeply fimiliar with the terrain of Bhiwani);is it true?

Bhai Bhiwani ko gharia se koi na janta Jatland pe;koi tu khabar do Bhiyani ke

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Bhai Bhiwani ko gharia se koi na janta Jatland pe;koi tu khabar do Bhiyani ke

Friends,

People of Bhiwani are living in perfect harmony.

regards

 

[drrajpalsingh]

How can I dare to come out with my idea of execution when Highly educated persons like you are not coming out, Sir.

Dear Sangwanji,

The educated and seniors have no monopoly over such issues. So shun hesitation and express your ideas how to unite the Jats for the greater benefit of the community and also for the unity and integrity of the Indian nation.

regards,

 

[drrajpalsingh]

once I was going to Bhiwani from Charkhi Dadri,in the train I met one person, a little short and fatty kind of person,during our conversation,i told him that I am jat;he was thakur from Bhiwani,he got little bit annoyed hearing my caste and started telling me a incident that once during his train journey from c dadri to bhiwani some jat youths started annoying him unnecessarily;as a result he called up his thakur youths and on bhiwani station his men beat up those jat youths to ****(i dont' know he might be boasting-as this is habit of thakars).He also told me that thakars in Bhiwani are so united that they support there thakar fellows unconditionally in every need and help;and it doesnt' matter that thakr is from which part of the country.I want to ask my friends From Bhiwani(those who are deeply fimiliar with the terrain of Bhiwani);is it true?[/QUOTE

Friend,

It is wrong assumption as no caste war has been reported from Bhiwani in the Historic times.

Secondly, Jhojhu Kalan, your native village, is not very far away from Bhiwani, if you were interested to know the veracity of the supposed statement of the traveller, you could have verified the factual position.

Friend, you are young and seem to be full of enthusiasm to do something extraordinary for the Jats but always remember that it would be in the fitness of things that you please avoid spreading those things (inflammatory statements) that do not exist and are deducted on the basis of heresy.

Best wishes for your bright future.

 

[jksangwan]

once I was going to Bhiwani from Charkhi Dadri,in the train I met one person, a little short and fatty kind of person,during our conversation,i told him that I am jat;he was thakur from Bhiwani,he got little bit annoyed hearing my caste and started telling me a incident that once during his train journey from c dadri to bhiwani some jat youths started annoying him unnecessarily;as a result he called up his thakur youths and on bhiwani station his men beat up those jat youths to ****(i dont' know he might be boasting-as this is habit of thakars).He also told me that thakars in Bhiwani are so united that they support there thakar fellows unconditionally in every need and help;and it doesnt' matter that thakr is from which part of the country.I want to ask my friends From Bhiwani(those who are deeply fimiliar with the terrain of Bhiwani);is it true?[/QUOTE

Friend,

It is wrong assumption as no caste war has been reported from Bhiwani in the Historic times.

Secondly, Jhojhu Kalan, your native village, is not very far away from Bhiwani, if you were interested to know the veracity of the supposed statement of the traveller, you could have verified the factual position.

Friend, you are young and seem to be full of enthusiasm to do something extraordinary for the Jats but always remember that it would be in the fitness of things that you please avoid spreading those things (inflammatory statements) that do not exist and are deducted on the basis of heresy.

Best wishes for your bright future.

First with great regards-Dr.Saheb it is untrue,i am sorry, I have to tell you one more incident as was told to me by my taoji Late Ch.Daryao Singh use to study at Bhiwani college in 1943(about),his friends were Ch.Surajbhan(a 6 feet and 4 inches tall,very strong-physically) his father was given power to hold Kachheri's) of village Rodrul ;another was Ch.Ran Singh Bora of Mundhal,they use to roam in market of Bhiwani;one thakar ;local dada was use to collect hafta from local businessmen;he also tried to get even with my taoji and friends but was stopped by this powerful group(in civilised words).Thakars are always been troublemakers for jats(mostly);you are reading MR. Laxman Burdak's thread(also you are greatly taught person)you know it.
Secondly,Sir,I am from Jhojhu Kalan;but I am away from JK as well as Bhiwani for many years; also I have no intention to insult thakars or anybody;i met this guy in train and there's nothing wrong in asking about thakars' unity;this is not inflammatory statement;this type of incidents occur in school;colleges and not only in between other castes but also in different villages of same caste;my only intention is to ask about thakar's unity,that's it.
I don't know why you used word 'heresy' -(means an action which shows you have no respect for the official opinion),what's official here or non official here I don't know Dear and respected Dr. saheb.
Best wishes to you all Jats.

 

[sapverma]

Dear Bhai,JKSangwan ji.Well said .I think (my personal view)the question of Jat Unity could be seen at several lebel and I am only stating here on personal dealings with my Jat samaj around me. I am from Meerut dist. Dhanora Putti village in UP.I grew up in different places in UP and always made close friends with Jats (exclusively).The reasons were not my narrow out look but personal views of trust and confidence. In Agra college Agra-all my friend were Jats from Haryana,UP,Rajasthan and Himachal area-I am telling from my heart it was the most precious time with my Jat friends.We depended on each other and trusted 100% each other.The same happened in IAF for 15 years.At each station I served -my fellow offices were 200% supportive,strongly bonded and helped me to build my moral/spiritual
strength for which I am still thankful.In return my Jat friends never expected any thing-because we were united as Jats and That is all was important. Bhai, this just my testimony of Jat Unity. Thanks for this thread.

 

[fateh]

once I was going to Bhiwani from Charkhi Dadri,in the train I met one person, a little short and fatty kind of person,during our conversation,i told him that I am jat;he was thakur from Bhiwani,he got little bit annoyed hearing my caste and started telling me a incident that once during his train journey from c dadri to bhiwani some jat youths started annoying him unnecessarily;as a result he called up his thakur youths and on bhiwani station his men beat up those jat youths to ****(i dont' know he might be boasting-as this is habit of thakars).He also told me that thakars in Bhiwani are so united that they support there thakar fellows unconditionally in every need and help;and it doesnt' matter that thakr is from which part of the country.I want to ask my friends From Bhiwani(those who are deeply fimiliar with the terrain of Bhiwani);is it true?[/QUOTE

Friend,

It is wrong assumption as no caste war has been reported from Bhiwani in the Historic times.

Secondly, Jhojhu Kalan, your native village, is not very far away from Bhiwani, if you were interested to know the veracity of the supposed statement of the traveller, you could have verified the factual position.

Friend, you are young and seem to be full of enthusiasm to do something extraordinary for the Jats but always remember that it would be in the fitness of things that you please avoid spreading those things (inflammatory statements) that do not exist and are deducted on the basis of heresy.

Best wishes for your bright future.

Dr sahab, as my knowledge goes, thakurs of Bhiwani area do have air, superiority complex and serious differences with jats since ages, in our college days, many incidents took place in early sixties and later during Ch Bansi lal time it came in the open, the serious differences between two communities, even now majority of both the communities do not vote together, though, SH Chautala tried his best to make use of differences by shifting blame on Bansi lal , but still Rajputs of Bhiwani are not at all with jats at heart, in thinking or execution, Friend, when fight between Vijay poonia and some Rajput students took place in jaipur college hostal, I visited jaipur and found many rajput students from narnaul, khetri and bhiwani area there in support of rajput students, another fact, enemity of these two communities in all the states/areas is age old and known to the world, yes, we must try to reduce the differences in the larger interest if possible.

 

[raka]

डॉक्टर साहब ,भिवानी जिले में हमारी सांगवान गोत्र की खाप खाप 40 के नाम से जानी जाती हैं | हमारी सांगवान खाप के साथ लगती एक तरफ परमार/पवार गोत्र के राजपूतो की खाप हैं जो खाप 32सी के नाम से जानी जाती हैं व दूसरी तरफ जाटू तंवर खाप हैं जिसमे भिवानी शहर , देवसर , हालुवास , बपोड़ा व तिगराना आदि गाँव तंवर/ तवर गोत्र के राजपूतो के गाँव हैं | हमारे बुजुर्ग बताते हैं की हमारा इन राजपूतो से बहुत झगडा रहता था कभी इन 32 वालो से तो कभी तन्वरों से | आप कभी दादरी से भिवानी जाओ तो रास्ते में एक गाँव आता हैं पैंतावास कला , उस गाँव के अड्डे पर एक गेट बना हुआ हैं | बुजुर्ग बताते हैं की यह गेट जिस जसवंत सिंह (नाम मेरे पक्का ध्यान नहीं ) की याद में बना रखा हैं उसको कभी हालुवास व भिवानी शहर के राजपूत होली दिवाली तिलक करके पगड़ी पहनाते थे | यह राजपूत की शान के खिलाफ था पर कोई जोर नहीं चलता था उनका | बताते हैं की एक दिन गर्मी की दोपहर में जसमत सिंह निमडीवाली के जोहड़ के पास एक दरख्त के नीचे सोया हुआ था मोक्का देखते हुए हालुवास के राजपूतो ने उन्हें धोखे से मार दिया | इसी बुजुर्ग के नाम से मेरे गाँव मानकवास में एक जोहड़ भी हैं जो जसमा वाला के नाम से जाना जाता हैं वो इसी जोहड़ के किनारे एक कुटिया में रहता था | बुजुर्ग बताते हैं की जब दादा सांगू यहाँ आये थे तब यहाँ बसना आसन नहीं था | उन लोगो ने इन राजपूतो से निपटने के लिए एक रणनीति बना रखी थी | उन लोगो को पता था के राजपूत ब्राह्मण पर जल्दी सी वार नहीं करता इसलिए राजपूतो की पवार खाप की तरफ के गाँव डोह्की में ब्राह्मणों को बसाया ताकी जब ये राजपूत हमला करे तो ब्राह्मण हमे आगाह करदे और हम अपनी तैयारी कर सके | इसी तरह राजस्थान से धायल गोत्र के जाट आए तो उनको गाँव कितलाना में बसाया | इसी तरह हालुवास भिवानी की तरफ अहीर बसाए | हमारी चालीस खाप व भिवानी के राजपूतों के गाँव जींद रियासत के नीचे पड़ते थे जो की एक जाट रियासत होती थी | इस कारण लोहानी से भिवानी वाले गाँव के राजपूतो में इतनी हीनभावना भरी हुई थी के इनसे यह सहन नहीं होता था के ये लोग एक जाट राजा की रियासत में कैसे रहे जाट को अपना राजा कैसे कबूले इसलिए इन्होने अग्रेजो से गुहार लगाईं के हमे इस जाट रियासत के बजाये लोहारू के नवाब की नवाबी कबूल हैं हमारे गाँव लोहारू रियासत में लगा दिए जाये | खैर ये तो थी भिवानी के जाट-राजपूतो के इतिहास की बात |
आज के समय में देखे तो पवार गोत्र के राजपूतो में इतना कट्टरवाद नहीं जितना तंवर गोत्र के राजपूतो में हैं | ये भिवानी शहर वाले तो आज भी उसी पुराणी रंजिश में जी रहे हैं |
जैसा के कर्नल साहब ने चौ.बंसीलाल का जिक्र किया हैं | बताते हैं की जब चौ.बंसी लाल मुख्यमंत्री बने थे तो वो एक बात कहते थे की ''मैं रोड़ के मोड़ और ठाकर में मरोड़ काढ़े बिना छोडू कोणी '' | इसी बात से अंदाजा लग जाता हैं की भिवानी के ठाकर में कितनी मरोड़ रही होगी, जाट-ठाकरों में कितना तनाव रहा होगा | चौ.बंसी लाल ने इन ठाकरा की सारी ज़मीन का सस्ते भाव में अधिग्रहण करवाया जिस कारण मुआवजे के लिए इन ठाकरो को कोर्ट का सहारा लेना पड़ा | शहर में इनकी दबंगता ख़त्म करने के लिए जाटों के लडकों को खुली छुट दी जिनमे तजयवीरउर्फ़ गबु व सम्पूर्ण सिंह प्रमुख नाम हैं | अब तो खैर भिवानी में जाटों की इतनी आबादी हो गई हैं की इन शहर वाले ठाकरों को लाल डोरे के अन्दर सिमेट कर रख दिया हैं |
भाई झोझू वाले वो भिवानी का ठाकर जो कहवे था बिलकुल सही कह था | इन भिवानी ,बपोड़ा व तिगराना के ठाकरों में बहुत एकता हैं पर इनकी एकता में पवार व आसपास के गाँव के ठाकर इतना साथ नहीं देते | भिवानी में आज भी कॉलेज के छात्रों में इसी जातिवाद की चौधर का रोला रहता हैं | भिवानी में एक सर्कुलर रोड हैं जो की इन छात्रों की सीमा रेखा हैं | सर्कुलर रोड के अन्दर मतलब पुराणी आबादी या पान्नो की तरफ ठाकरों के लड़कों की चौधर रह स अर्र बाहार की तरफ जाटों के लड़कों की | इस सर्कुलर रोड के अन्दर एक बार किसी से रोल्ला करदो फिर देखों इनकी एकता इसे तावले तो भिवानी शहर के चुड़े भी एक कोणी हो जिसे ये ठाकर हों स | ख़ास बात यह की छात्रों की इस लड़ाई में बुजुर्ग ठाकर भी लड़कों का साथ देते हैं |

 

[ravinderjeet]

म्हारे कानी ते ठाक्कर शरमाया करें चमारां की ढाल आपणे आप ने ठाक्कर बतांदी हाण ,जब रांघअड़ ( मुसलमान ठाकार ) इन् ने गेर के ने कूटया करदे आर इन् की लुगाइयां ने ठा ले जांदे जब जाट छुडा के ने लाया करदे ,म्हारे कानी ते ठाक्कर शरणागत सें जट्टां के |

 

[raka]

ढाई गाम स रोहतक में ठाकरा के यो तो चोखा वे शर्मावे स न ता फेर थामने शर्माना पड़ता

 

[ravinderjeet]

ढाई गाम स रोहतक में ठाकरा के यो तो चोखा वे शर्मावे स न ता फेर थामने शर्माना पड़ता

भ्यानी में थम शरमाओ सो के ? हरयाणा पंजाब अर पश्चमी उत्तर प्रदेश में ते ये कदे सांस नि काढ सके ,जट्टां के ताण ज़िंदा रहे सें ये | या अहसान फरामोश अर दगाबाज कोम स | जित ये ठाड़े रहे सें उडड इन् ने जाट सताए सें ज्युकर राजस्थान में ,अर उड़े का-ए असर भ्यानी की कुछ थां पे पड्या लागे स |

 

[drrajpalsingh]

डॉक्टर साहब ,भिवानी जिले में हमारी सांगवान गोत्र की खाप खाप 40 के नाम से जानी जाती हैं | हमारी सांगवान खाप के साथ लगती एक तरफ परमार/पवार गोत्र के राजपूतो की खाप हैं जो खाप 32सी के नाम से जानी जाती हैं व दूसरी तरफ जाटू तंवर खाप हैं जिसमे भिवानी शहर , देवसर , हालुवास , बपोड़ा व तिगराना आदि गाँव तंवर/ तवर गोत्र के राजपूतो के गाँव हैं | हमारे बुजुर्ग बताते हैं की हमारा इन राजपूतो से बहुत झगडा रहता था कभी इन 32 वालो से तो कभी तन्वरों से | आप कभी दादरी से भिवानी जाओ तो रास्ते में एक गाँव आता हैं पैंतावास कला , उस गाँव के अड्डे पर एक गेट बना हुआ हैं | बुजुर्ग बताते हैं की यह गेट जिस जसवंत सिंह (नाम मेरे पक्का ध्यान नहीं ) की याद में बना रखा हैं उसको कभी हालुवास व भिवानी शहर के राजपूत होली दिवाली तिलक करके पगड़ी पहनाते थे | यह राजपूत की शान के खिलाफ था पर कोई जोर नहीं चलता था उनका | बताते हैं की एक दिन गर्मी की दोपहर में जसमत सिंह निमडीवाली के जोहड़ के पास एक दरख्त के नीचे सोया हुआ था मोक्का देखते हुए हालुवास के राजपूतो ने उन्हें धोखे से मार दिया | इसी बुजुर्ग के नाम से मेरे गाँव मानकवास में एक जोहड़ भी हैं जो जसमा वाला के नाम से जाना जाता हैं वो इसी जोहड़ के किनारे एक कुटिया में रहता था | बुजुर्ग बताते हैं की जब दादा सांगू यहाँ आये थे तब यहाँ बसना आसन नहीं था | उन लोगो ने इन राजपूतो से निपटने के लिए एक रणनीति बना रखी थी | उन लोगो को पता था के राजपूत ब्राह्मण पर जल्दी सी वार नहीं करता इसलिए राजपूतो की पवार खाप की तरफ के गाँव डोह्की में ब्राह्मणों को बसाया ताकी जब ये राजपूत हमला करे तो ब्राह्मण हमे आगाह करदे और हम अपनी तैयारी कर सके | इसी तरह राजस्थान से धायल गोत्र के जाट आए तो उनको गाँव कितलाना में बसाया | इसी तरह हालुवास भिवानी की तरफ अहीर बसाए | हमारी चालीस खाप व भिवानी के राजपूतों के गाँव जींद रियासत के नीचे पड़ते थे जो की एक जाट रियासत होती थी | इस कारण लोहानी से भिवानी वाले गाँव के राजपूतो में इतनी हीनभावना भरी हुई थी के इनसे यह सहन नहीं होता था के ये लोग एक जाट राजा की रियासत में कैसे रहे जाट को अपना राजा कैसे कबूले इसलिए इन्होने अग्रेजो से गुहार लगाईं के हमे इस जाट रियासत के बजाये लोहारू के नवाब की नवाबी कबूल हैं हमारे गाँव लोहारू रियासत में लगा दिए जाये | खैर ये तो थी भिवानी के जाट-राजपूतो के इतिहास की बात |
आज के समय में देखे तो पवार गोत्र के राजपूतो में इतना कट्टरवाद नहीं जितना तंवर गोत्र के राजपूतो में हैं | ये भिवानी शहर वाले तो आज भी उसी पुराणी रंजिश में जी रहे हैं |
जैसा के कर्नल साहब ने चौ.बंसीलाल का जिक्र किया हैं | बताते हैं की जब चौ.बंसी लाल मुख्यमंत्री बने थे तो वो एक बात कहते थे की ''मैं रोड़ के मोड़ और ठाकर में मरोड़ काढ़े बिना छोडू कोणी '' | इसी बात से अंदाजा लग जाता हैं की भिवानी के ठाकर में कितनी मरोड़ रही होगी, जाट-ठाकरों में कितना तनाव रहा होगा | चौ.बंसी लाल ने इन ठाकरा की सारी ज़मीन का सस्ते भाव में अधिग्रहण करवाया जिस कारण मुआवजे के लिए इन ठाकरो को कोर्ट का सहारा लेना पड़ा | शहर में इनकी दबंगता ख़त्म करने के लिए जाटों के लडकों को खुली छुट दी जिनमे तजयवीरउर्फ़ गबु व सम्पूर्ण सिंह प्रमुख नाम हैं | अब तो खैर भिवानी में जाटों की इतनी आबादी हो गई हैं की इन शहर वाले ठाकरों को लाल डोरे के अन्दर सिमेट कर रख दिया हैं |
भाई झोझू वाले वो भिवानी का ठाकर जो कहवे था बिलकुल सही कह था | इन भिवानी ,बपोड़ा व तिगराना के ठाकरों में बहुत एकता हैं पर इनकी एकता में पवार व आसपास के गाँव के ठाकर इतना साथ नहीं देते |

Friend,
I congratulate you for giving an insight to the oral history based on gossips of Bhiwani District. Juxtaposition of facts and fiction from different periods of history have been mixed . Kindly read your post again and please amend it if you like to do so.

Regards

 

[arveend]

jaat are always united !!

 

[drrajpalsingh]

jaat are always united !!

Friend, You are warmly welcomed to JatLand through your first post.

However, you are right to certain extent only in your observation about the Jat Unity; because, the unity of Jats does not require a sign of exclamation. Rather, it shows their strength and capacity to criticize, agree or disagree on certain points at various stages of manthan and ultimately to reach to ultimate truth in a democratic manner on the concerned issues.

Regards

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Dr sahab, .........yes, we must try to reduce the differences in the larger interest if possible.

Thanks a lot Sir.

This is the message we should strive to spread.

Regards