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Sunny
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Ravi
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Sunny
your input appreciated
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Ravi
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gurjant
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Hello Ravi Ji and Dr. Sunny Singh.
I'm just checking whether I'm allowed to post here.
Regards.
I'm just checking whether I'm allowed to post here.
Regards.
ravichaudhary
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welcome
Gurjant
Everyone is welcome
In case people are wondering about who you are,
Let me mention a note of thanks, and congratulations of your translation of Duleh's " Jattan da Ithiaas".
It is an invaluable contribution.
We will all look forward to more from you
Best regards
Ravi
Gurjant
Everyone is welcome
In case people are wondering about who you are,
Let me mention a note of thanks, and congratulations of your translation of Duleh's " Jattan da Ithiaas".
It is an invaluable contribution.
We will all look forward to more from you
Best regards
Ravi
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chhoraharyanada
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lots of waves of scythian entry?!
Dear Ravi Bhai & Sunny phaaji,
1. Is it possible that there was more than 1 saka entry into the sub continent - ie, pre-dating their suggested entry? Correct me if I am wrong - but I believe there are a few historians (both indian and western) who've said that there were more than one main influx?
2. Also another theory - if these gotras in the Rig Veda are to be taken seriously .... and then we accept the main saka influx occured when it did - does this not give some weighting to Hukam Pawar's theory of "in and out" movements vis-a-vis the indian sub-continent?
Take care all.
Ram Ram and Sat Sri Akaal.
Dear Ravi Bhai & Sunny phaaji,
1. Is it possible that there was more than 1 saka entry into the sub continent - ie, pre-dating their suggested entry? Correct me if I am wrong - but I believe there are a few historians (both indian and western) who've said that there were more than one main influx?
2. Also another theory - if these gotras in the Rig Veda are to be taken seriously .... and then we accept the main saka influx occured when it did - does this not give some weighting to Hukam Pawar's theory of "in and out" movements vis-a-vis the indian sub-continent?
Take care all.
Ram Ram and Sat Sri Akaal.
Hi Raman,
“1. Is it possible that there was more than 1 saka entry into the sub continent - ie, pre-dating their suggested entry?
Correct me if I am wrong - but I believe there are a few historians (both indian and western) who've said that there were more than one main influx?”
Sure, Pryluski and Tarn have suggested this based on the HABITS of the Madra people of Sialkot. Agrawala adding to this suggests their were kanta/kand ending PLACE NAMES in the Panjab area and suggests Sakas were in Panjab prior to Panini.
It is reasonable to assume some Central Asian or Persian tribes (based on funeral rites) were in Panjab prior to suggested influx just based on the peculiar customs there. I think AK Narain suggest that the Earliest Sakas in South Asia were the Saka Haumavarga (Amygian Scythians), or the Soma drinking Sakas mention in the Rg Veda.
Still others argue that the original Aryans who inhabited Panjab were pushed out of Panjab. This is based on the belief that while the Indus river was mentioned in early Hindu texts, the sacred river later became the Sarawati and Panjab was looked upon as devoid of religion. Attachments to the Mahabharata such as Karna Parva (excuse spelling) suggest performing purification acts before a self-respecting Hindu was to visit the Vahika (Panjab). Vahi and Heeka were some supposed demons of Panjab. This people believe suggest the Rg Vedic Aryan were ousted from the Panjab by some powerful and “unclean” tribe, most probably from Central Asia.
But still this is a lot of speculation. And exactly how Saka were in India at that time? What was the limit of their influence?
“2. Also another theory - if these gotras in the Rig Veda are to be taken seriously .... and then we accept the main saka influx occured when it did - does this not give some weighting to Hukam Pawar's theory of "in and out" movements vis-a-vis the indian sub-continent?”
You are basing this question on another big assumption – that Jats are Sakas. Still though, how are you going to prove that early Sakas (Haumavarga) left India and for what reason? And the returned as Sakas proper (Massagetae), and Yuezhi and White Huns?
Even if we assume that this is remotely possible, are the latter even the same people as the former?
Gurjant, Kidhan tu vi ageyan?
Regards,
“1. Is it possible that there was more than 1 saka entry into the sub continent - ie, pre-dating their suggested entry?
Correct me if I am wrong - but I believe there are a few historians (both indian and western) who've said that there were more than one main influx?”
Sure, Pryluski and Tarn have suggested this based on the HABITS of the Madra people of Sialkot. Agrawala adding to this suggests their were kanta/kand ending PLACE NAMES in the Panjab area and suggests Sakas were in Panjab prior to Panini.
It is reasonable to assume some Central Asian or Persian tribes (based on funeral rites) were in Panjab prior to suggested influx just based on the peculiar customs there. I think AK Narain suggest that the Earliest Sakas in South Asia were the Saka Haumavarga (Amygian Scythians), or the Soma drinking Sakas mention in the Rg Veda.
Still others argue that the original Aryans who inhabited Panjab were pushed out of Panjab. This is based on the belief that while the Indus river was mentioned in early Hindu texts, the sacred river later became the Sarawati and Panjab was looked upon as devoid of religion. Attachments to the Mahabharata such as Karna Parva (excuse spelling) suggest performing purification acts before a self-respecting Hindu was to visit the Vahika (Panjab). Vahi and Heeka were some supposed demons of Panjab. This people believe suggest the Rg Vedic Aryan were ousted from the Panjab by some powerful and “unclean” tribe, most probably from Central Asia.
But still this is a lot of speculation. And exactly how Saka were in India at that time? What was the limit of their influence?
“2. Also another theory - if these gotras in the Rig Veda are to be taken seriously .... and then we accept the main saka influx occured when it did - does this not give some weighting to Hukam Pawar's theory of "in and out" movements vis-a-vis the indian sub-continent?”
You are basing this question on another big assumption – that Jats are Sakas. Still though, how are you going to prove that early Sakas (Haumavarga) left India and for what reason? And the returned as Sakas proper (Massagetae), and Yuezhi and White Huns?
Even if we assume that this is remotely possible, are the latter even the same people as the former?
Gurjant, Kidhan tu vi ageyan?
Regards,
Hi,
Members may like to see relation of Jats with Croats and Serbs in the following article on URL-
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php
Regards,
Members may like to see relation of Jats with Croats and Serbs in the following article on URL-
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php
Regards,
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supersteve
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Aryan or Scythian
but to me it makes no sense because there was two main groups of aryan civilization one in India and the other in Iran and Scythians are natives to eastern iran so in sense that would make scythians aryans. And it would explain are close relationship between the jats, serbs and croats as we are all pure Aryans. And the jats are a product of western and eastern (irans and indias) Aryan Civilizations.
p.s.- it seems to me that we need a person of jat orgin thats experienced and qualified to look into these matters. because it would drive that person to findout the truth of his or hers race. and not listen to these british fools like Cunningham
but to me it makes no sense because there was two main groups of aryan civilization one in India and the other in Iran and Scythians are natives to eastern iran so in sense that would make scythians aryans. And it would explain are close relationship between the jats, serbs and croats as we are all pure Aryans. And the jats are a product of western and eastern (irans and indias) Aryan Civilizations.
p.s.- it seems to me that we need a person of jat orgin thats experienced and qualified to look into these matters. because it would drive that person to findout the truth of his or hers race. and not listen to these british fools like Cunningham
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supersteve
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Don't forget who you are and who your people are
First off i agree with Satbir its time for jats to be proud of are history. one thing we do no is that we have Scythian (Saka) blood in us wheather its Aryo-Scythian or fully Scythian its a proud lineage. Second my family is of Jat Sikh lineage from the punjabi we now live in Canada that makes me 4th generation Canadian. people here in canada also realize the might of the jats from the punjab even my white friends ask me to tell them storys of the lion of the punjab Ranjit Singh. So all in all im staying that are history has always been a powerful and strong one we jats are truly underrated for are abilitys.
First off i agree with Satbir its time for jats to be proud of are history. one thing we do no is that we have Scythian (Saka) blood in us wheather its Aryo-Scythian or fully Scythian its a proud lineage. Second my family is of Jat Sikh lineage from the punjabi we now live in Canada that makes me 4th generation Canadian. people here in canada also realize the might of the jats from the punjab even my white friends ask me to tell them storys of the lion of the punjab Ranjit Singh. So all in all im staying that are history has always been a powerful and strong one we jats are truly underrated for are abilitys.
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dahiyarules
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Hmmm! if ya'll are proud of having an "Aryan/Scythian" connection, then ya'll must be proud of Hitler's views. And in his views, we are the mutt (dirty) race. We arent anywhere close to being white. Now shut up, and close the discussion.
A person's gene's hardly make any differnece. His actions make a lot of difference. further, a person's efforts prescribe the person's actions. So go out and get working towards what you really want to do. Being "aryan/scythian" is not going to make any difference.
A person's gene's hardly make any differnece. His actions make a lot of difference. further, a person's efforts prescribe the person's actions. So go out and get working towards what you really want to do. Being "aryan/scythian" is not going to make any difference.
Aryan Khoon
Dear Sumit,
Just because of one rogue aryan 'hitler' you cannot deduce that Jats are not aryans. Aryans were there before him...and after. I think its a very healthy discussion...and we cannot just "shut up" and stop thinking.He was partly right....we are Not white. Our skin pigmentation proves it. But we are not blacks, chinese or Dravadians either...so what are we? Basically Mutts....but Damn good ones !! LOL Lets try to preserve this Mutt race...which orignated by accident.
Just a thought to ponder upon.......
Junnu
dahiyarules said:
Dear Sumit,
Just because of one rogue aryan 'hitler' you cannot deduce that Jats are not aryans. Aryans were there before him...and after. I think its a very healthy discussion...and we cannot just "shut up" and stop thinking.He was partly right....we are Not white. Our skin pigmentation proves it. But we are not blacks, chinese or Dravadians either...so what are we? Basically Mutts....but Damn good ones !! LOL Lets try to preserve this Mutt race...which orignated by accident.
Just a thought to ponder upon.......
Junnu
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supersteve
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History is Weird
If you new anything of WW2 history and Hitlers veiws on India you would no that Hitler respected Jats and new of are Aryan connection and their where Jats that also fought for the Nazi's. Its weird but it is History. Heres some links below.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1399564/posts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm
dahiyarules said:
If you new anything of WW2 history and Hitlers veiws on India you would no that Hitler respected Jats and new of are Aryan connection and their where Jats that also fought for the Nazi's. Its weird but it is History. Heres some links below.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1399564/posts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm
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Aryans belong to south caucasian group,spread in Asia Minor,along whit the hittites(see hittite mythology ,very simmilar whit the vedas);but the schitians(and also the thracian confuse whit schitians)belong to north caucasian tipe.This 2 groups have their own individual caracteristic.The idea is, schitians are not aryan(south caucasians)but a linguistic related group.
The term aryan is not a lucky one.We have to find a better one.Any sugestions?
Aryans belong to south caucasian group,spread in Asia Minor,along whit the hittites(see hittite mythology ,very simmilar whit the vedas);but the schitians(and also the thracian confuse whit schitians)belong to north caucasian tipe.This 2 groups have their own individual caracteristic.The idea is, schitians are not aryan(south caucasians)but a linguistic related group.
The term aryan is not a lucky one.We have to find a better one.Any sugestions?
junnu said:
Hitler was no Aryan. He just imagined he was, a pure one ! Dictators have to find some extraordinary slogan to unite the people under them. Best is to perpetuate lies that they are racially superior and enemy is davil.
Colour of skin decides a persons race, especially within India ? Just live in Andamans for couple of years like the natives do . Then see whether you look more similar to them or not ? Or you can stay under the burqa and give yourself a new racial nomenclature.
narenderkharb
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Solving Sythians,Tharcian,Aryan and JAT PUZZLE
smeker said:
The term south caucasian is a geographic and a linguistic one.South caucasians are the hittites,mittani people,people from Urartu(today Armenia)and indians from Gange.The hittite language is almost identical whit old sanskrite.The Kurgan culture north of Caucas mountans seems to be the birth place of schitian ethnic group.This group apear arheologic in 5500BC,so is relative contemporane whit aryans(who apear in the same time in south of Caucas mountains).Iranic group of skitians,thracian,persian is not a new indoeuropean group like many belive, but it have same age as aryans.
Are 5 major theories about the original land of aryans :
1-the Max Muller theory who place the first aryans in Central Asia in today Thadjikistan or Afganistan(base on similar names of rivers and places in afganistan and names of rivers and places from rg veda)or in today Ukraine(base on kurgan culture).
2-in carpatian area(romania)base also on similar names of rivers,towns,mountains and the names of ones of Rg Veda and Mahabharata(this theory is postulate by english and american researchers from Cambrige,also by Napoleon Savescu).
3-from Indus Valley culture(Mohenjo Daro) they spread around in Central Asia and Europe(postulate by some indian and brahmin researchers).
4-aryans already exist in Ganga plain in the time of nonaryan Indus civilisation(2900-1700bc),but their material culture was not develop until 1500bc when they became liders in spreading indoeuropean religion and language around the world(this theory have few suporters iven in India).
5-the anatolian(Turkey and South Caucase)theory postulate that a aryan group from Mitani(relatives of hittites and urartu) defeted by assirians around 1800BC,move eastward pass through Indus Valley(peacefull or conflictual whit the local population)and setlled in Ganga Valley.
The hittites
Hittite language is the oldest indoeuropean language discovered.
The hittites was the first people who use iron as a common metal(for agricultural tooles and weapons),they are the first people who replace the bronze whit the iron.
In Armenia was discovered a metalurgic factory 7000 years old.Here was prelucrate objects of iron(steel),aluminium(rediscovered in 19century),cuper,magnesium and other metals.The workers use a bandage covering the mouth.
Hittites was having the most advance language in the world at that time.The religious hittite prayers have an elevate language ,fact for which we speak not only about a mithology(like in the case of sumerians,assirians and egiptians)but also about a theology-hittite theology.In this case the hittites are the first theologians of the world.The hittite texts,persian Avesta and Vedas are from the same family of tinking.Hittites(2500-1200BC) indirectly influence the first greek philosophers(700BC)and the first indian philosophers(900BC).Also greeks(in 400BC) and indians(in 50AD)was the first that completly develope the art(are 3 stages of art
rimitive,intermediar,complete).Hittites&Co was agricultores,seminomadic and nomadic people.
The thracian was the most numerous people after indians(Herodot say),living in today Turkey,north Greece,Bulgaria,east Serbia,Romania,west Ukraine,Cehia,Slovacia.Was divided in 200 tribes(messi,bessi,phrigians,abioi,boii,getae,and other 194 tribes).They are the aliates of Troi against greeks,and they destroy the hittites in 1200BC.
The gene M 173 is the iranic gene.This gene is spread among east europeans,central asia and north west india .
Is not such thing as pure rase but dominand gene.
The term aryan is a social one(aryan=nobil)but today is use like a ethnic term;indoeuropean(or euroindian)is a more better term but is to long.
If the rase is base on skin color then are only 2 rases temperate rase(white)and tropical rase(black).In this case the northen chinese(white)are a diferent rase then chinese from south china(black).In reality the rase is base on morphologic structure of the body.And we have 3 rase:caucasian(black or white)-european,turkish,indian,finnic,semitic;mongoloid(black or white)-chinese,indonesian,amerindian,polinesian;afroide(in general black)-african,australian aborigen,melanesian.Inreality exist only 1 rase,the human rase.
Are 5 major theories about the original land of aryans :
1-the Max Muller theory who place the first aryans in Central Asia in today Thadjikistan or Afganistan(base on similar names of rivers and places in afganistan and names of rivers and places from rg veda)or in today Ukraine(base on kurgan culture).
2-in carpatian area(romania)base also on similar names of rivers,towns,mountains and the names of ones of Rg Veda and Mahabharata(this theory is postulate by english and american researchers from Cambrige,also by Napoleon Savescu).
3-from Indus Valley culture(Mohenjo Daro) they spread around in Central Asia and Europe(postulate by some indian and brahmin researchers).
4-aryans already exist in Ganga plain in the time of nonaryan Indus civilisation(2900-1700bc),but their material culture was not develop until 1500bc when they became liders in spreading indoeuropean religion and language around the world(this theory have few suporters iven in India).
5-the anatolian(Turkey and South Caucase)theory postulate that a aryan group from Mitani(relatives of hittites and urartu) defeted by assirians around 1800BC,move eastward pass through Indus Valley(peacefull or conflictual whit the local population)and setlled in Ganga Valley.
The hittites
Hittite language is the oldest indoeuropean language discovered.
The hittites was the first people who use iron as a common metal(for agricultural tooles and weapons),they are the first people who replace the bronze whit the iron.
In Armenia was discovered a metalurgic factory 7000 years old.Here was prelucrate objects of iron(steel),aluminium(rediscovered in 19century),cuper,magnesium and other metals.The workers use a bandage covering the mouth.
Hittites was having the most advance language in the world at that time.The religious hittite prayers have an elevate language ,fact for which we speak not only about a mithology(like in the case of sumerians,assirians and egiptians)but also about a theology-hittite theology.In this case the hittites are the first theologians of the world.The hittite texts,persian Avesta and Vedas are from the same family of tinking.Hittites(2500-1200BC) indirectly influence the first greek philosophers(700BC)and the first indian philosophers(900BC).Also greeks(in 400BC) and indians(in 50AD)was the first that completly develope the art(are 3 stages of art
rimitive,intermediar,complete).Hittites&Co was agricultores,seminomadic and nomadic people.The thracian was the most numerous people after indians(Herodot say),living in today Turkey,north Greece,Bulgaria,east Serbia,Romania,west Ukraine,Cehia,Slovacia.Was divided in 200 tribes(messi,bessi,phrigians,abioi,boii,getae,and other 194 tribes).They are the aliates of Troi against greeks,and they destroy the hittites in 1200BC.
The gene M 173 is the iranic gene.This gene is spread among east europeans,central asia and north west india .
Is not such thing as pure rase but dominand gene.
The term aryan is a social one(aryan=nobil)but today is use like a ethnic term;indoeuropean(or euroindian)is a more better term but is to long.
If the rase is base on skin color then are only 2 rases temperate rase(white)and tropical rase(black).In this case the northen chinese(white)are a diferent rase then chinese from south china(black).In reality the rase is base on morphologic structure of the body.And we have 3 rase:caucasian(black or white)-european,turkish,indian,finnic,semitic;mongoloid(black or white)-chinese,indonesian,amerindian,polinesian;afroide(in general black)-african,australian aborigen,melanesian.Inreality exist only 1 rase,the human rase.
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sktewatia
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grewal jats gave their name to greek/greece
and modern aggrawals (bania) are their descendents. This is proved by the geographical area of aggrawals which is same as modern jat area. i.e from ganges to indus river through rajasthan. However, they are not pure jats but seems to be a mixture like kayasthas as they are on the average not as fare as jats are n nose on the average is also not as sharp as average jat has. Many castes originated from jat gotras; viz,
modern heers/aheers who write yadav now originated from heer jats of heer-ranjha fame.
gujjars originated from buddgujjar/gujjar jats found mostly in faridabad district. MLA from palwal, harkishan singh, in undivided punjab was budgujjar.
rode/arode are from rod/road/rode jats.
modern punjabi khattri caste is from khattri jats. even kshatriya is sanskritised form of khattri.
kundu is also perhaps a caste in orissa, is after kundu jats.
bengal/ is after bengal/bhangal/bhangi/vehngi jats. there used to be one bhangi misl of jats in punjab out of 12 misls including the one shukarchakiya misl of Maharaja Ranjit Singh himself was jat. obviously begal's capital dhaka is after dhaka jats.
modern rajputs often are called thakur is after thakran jats.
again muslim meo caste in haryana/rajasthan and hindu meo caste in orissa is after meo jats.
almost half of the germans write mann which is after mann jats.
almost all germans/north europeans are called teutonic/teuton which after tevti/teoti/teotian/teutian or tewatia jats. teuton is synonymous with aryan.
and again aryan race is known woldwide. arya/arh/arhia is just a goth of jats.
goth is again known worldwide. bargothi/gothi/badegothi is just a surname (in bulandshahar area chikul village) of jats.
all sakas are known after saka/sikarwar jats.
kushanas are known after kaswan/kushan jats.
all turks over the world are known after toor jats. mughals were chaghtai turks, delhi sultanate rulers were ilbari turks. modern turkey. chinese turkistan....
list is endless and can be multiplied as much as you can with little care n knowledge.
and modern aggrawals (bania) are their descendents. This is proved by the geographical area of aggrawals which is same as modern jat area. i.e from ganges to indus river through rajasthan. However, they are not pure jats but seems to be a mixture like kayasthas as they are on the average not as fare as jats are n nose on the average is also not as sharp as average jat has. Many castes originated from jat gotras; viz,
modern heers/aheers who write yadav now originated from heer jats of heer-ranjha fame.
gujjars originated from buddgujjar/gujjar jats found mostly in faridabad district. MLA from palwal, harkishan singh, in undivided punjab was budgujjar.
rode/arode are from rod/road/rode jats.
modern punjabi khattri caste is from khattri jats. even kshatriya is sanskritised form of khattri.
kundu is also perhaps a caste in orissa, is after kundu jats.
bengal/ is after bengal/bhangal/bhangi/vehngi jats. there used to be one bhangi misl of jats in punjab out of 12 misls including the one shukarchakiya misl of Maharaja Ranjit Singh himself was jat. obviously begal's capital dhaka is after dhaka jats.
modern rajputs often are called thakur is after thakran jats.
again muslim meo caste in haryana/rajasthan and hindu meo caste in orissa is after meo jats.
almost half of the germans write mann which is after mann jats.
almost all germans/north europeans are called teutonic/teuton which after tevti/teoti/teotian/teutian or tewatia jats. teuton is synonymous with aryan.
and again aryan race is known woldwide. arya/arh/arhia is just a goth of jats.
goth is again known worldwide. bargothi/gothi/badegothi is just a surname (in bulandshahar area chikul village) of jats.
all sakas are known after saka/sikarwar jats.
kushanas are known after kaswan/kushan jats.
all turks over the world are known after toor jats. mughals were chaghtai turks, delhi sultanate rulers were ilbari turks. modern turkey. chinese turkistan....
list is endless and can be multiplied as much as you can with little care n knowledge.
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sktewatia
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like marathi, sindhi
sindhi are known after sandhu/sindhu jats.
marathi (maha-rathi) are after rathi jats of rashtrakuta's empire fame about 11 hundred yrs back.
singhalies are named after single/sanghal jats.
anndhra is after andre jats.
gujrati/gujrat is after gujar caste or gujjar jats of gurjar pratihar empire fame.
lohar caste is after lohar jats.
sindhi are known after sandhu/sindhu jats.
marathi (maha-rathi) are after rathi jats of rashtrakuta's empire fame about 11 hundred yrs back.
singhalies are named after single/sanghal jats.
anndhra is after andre jats.
gujrati/gujrat is after gujar caste or gujjar jats of gurjar pratihar empire fame.
lohar caste is after lohar jats.
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sktewatia
Guest
aryan, scythian, thracian, persian, hun, teutonic, sexon, anglo, jutes, etc. theories
useless to say they were/are all one and same. all jats, all from same area i.e. indo-european or precisely central asia. from time to time whichever goth of jats was in power in central asia they were known by that name. even huns are not to be confused as mongolian race. they did have sharp nose n all that. even today hunz/hanz/hans are abundantly found in germany and in india recently one jat sikh raghubir singh hun was major general. like aryan they are all called barbarian and barbaric people.
have u ever analysed why kanishka started saka era though he was kushana. the fact is that kushanas were also sakas. even mahatma budh is known as saka/sakya muni. he was also saka. sakas were the most just people say greek historians. at the sametime very fond of dance n music but most ruthless also. herodotus often calls these people as indian getae, thracian getae, scythian getae, persian getae.. etc. that means all of them were jats.
similarly dev, danavs and assurs are also same and all jats and all aryans.
useless to say they were/are all one and same. all jats, all from same area i.e. indo-european or precisely central asia. from time to time whichever goth of jats was in power in central asia they were known by that name. even huns are not to be confused as mongolian race. they did have sharp nose n all that. even today hunz/hanz/hans are abundantly found in germany and in india recently one jat sikh raghubir singh hun was major general. like aryan they are all called barbarian and barbaric people.
have u ever analysed why kanishka started saka era though he was kushana. the fact is that kushanas were also sakas. even mahatma budh is known as saka/sakya muni. he was also saka. sakas were the most just people say greek historians. at the sametime very fond of dance n music but most ruthless also. herodotus often calls these people as indian getae, thracian getae, scythian getae, persian getae.. etc. that means all of them were jats.
similarly dev, danavs and assurs are also same and all jats and all aryans.
Dear Soka
The chronology of Indian (Aryan) civillisation given in your post is incorrect. What Mr Max Muller propounded for reasons other than scholarly is still being flouted as universal truth by many misguided academicians and intellectuals, especially in the Christian world. They find it difficult to digest that human civillisation could have started many millennia before what is written in the Bible. Even Mr Stephen Hawkins could not give up this prejudice much like Mother Terassa who in spite of being revered in India</ST1as a saintly woman, wanted to convert her biographer, a Hindu, to the only True Religion in the world. A very good article (A Hindu History of Time) on this aspect has been written by Mr Sudhakar Raje. You can find it at http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=85&page=26 Anothttp://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=85&page=26 Anotherher article decisively refutes the falsehood of vested religio-political interests regarding the origin of Aryans. The full text can be found at http://www.indiacause.com/columns/OL_051212.htm
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If the information supplied by Sh Tewatia is even 50% relevant, then we Indians need to change our outlook towards each other. It shows clearly that various castes have emanated from the Jats themselves. It also proves the oft repeated contention by knowledgable persons that Hinduism as a religion does not support casteism. This system is corruption of ‘Varnashram’ dharma. In that light, should we, especially the members on this forum, continue to carry our caste based prejudices ? Others may be excused on account of ignorance, but not us.
Second point that emerges from Sh Tewatia’s posts is about regionalism in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:country-region><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = <st1India</st1:country-region>. Jat genealogies can be traced all over Indian subcontinent. I would say, if not all, at least 90% of the agrarian and associated communities of <st1:country-region><ST1India </ST1</st1:country-region>have Jat ancestory.
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As we trace our roots and relationships with the wider world, first we should be doing so closer home, within our own country. Or the beggages of casteism and regionalism are too hard to forgo ?
The chronology of Indian (Aryan) civillisation given in your post is incorrect. What Mr Max Muller propounded for reasons other than scholarly is still being flouted as universal truth by many misguided academicians and intellectuals, especially in the Christian world. They find it difficult to digest that human civillisation could have started many millennia before what is written in the Bible. Even Mr Stephen Hawkins could not give up this prejudice much like Mother Terassa who in spite of being revered in India</ST1
as a saintly woman, wanted to convert her biographer, a Hindu, to the only True Religion in the world. A very good article (A Hindu History of Time) on this aspect has been written by Mr Sudhakar Raje. You can find it at http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=85&page=26 Anothttp://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=85&page=26 Anotherher article decisively refutes the falsehood of vested religio-political interests regarding the origin of Aryans. The full text can be found at http://www.indiacause.com/columns/OL_051212.htm<O
If the information supplied by Sh Tewatia is even 50% relevant, then we Indians need to change our outlook towards each other. It shows clearly that various castes have emanated from the Jats themselves. It also proves the oft repeated contention by knowledgable persons that Hinduism as a religion does not support casteism. This system is corruption of ‘Varnashram’ dharma. In that light, should we, especially the members on this forum, continue to carry our caste based prejudices ? Others may be excused on account of ignorance, but not us.
Second point that emerges from Sh Tewatia’s posts is about regionalism in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:country-region><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = <st1
India</st1:country-region>. Jat genealogies can be traced all over Indian subcontinent. I would say, if not all, at least 90% of the agrarian and associated communities of <st1:country-region><ST1India </ST1</st1:country-region>have Jat ancestory. <O
</OAs we trace our roots and relationships with the wider world, first we should be doing so closer home, within our own country. Or the beggages of casteism and regionalism are too hard to forgo ?
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