Jats in reservation as OBC

[chhillar]

JATon ke saath "OBC" tag to jud gaya par iska Benefit nahi mila aur sirf respect hi kum hua.


Moving against the Reservation only in the present tide is not enough.

If most of the JATs here are against the Reservation then make it complete because in most of the parts of India JATs are recognised as OBC whether they get benefit of it or not (UP JATs - State level OBC, Delhi JATs - State leve OBC, Rajsthan JATs - National level OBC).

So if move against Reservation then move completely & remove JATs from any kind of Reservation they have & full fledged so as to aware all other castes about JATs
or
If favour Reservation then favour completely so as to include JATs in central list of OBC (at national level).


Kum se Kum ek cheej to ho
Respect of "GENERAL" ya Benefit of "OBC"

Filahal naa to JATon ka "GENERAL" wala respect hai aur naa hi "OBC" waala benefit.

& Please don't be imotional because aaj ki date me jo hota hai uspar hi haamare aane waale JAT KIDS aur YUVA JATon ka bhavishya nirbhar karta hai.

Rahi baat success ki to wo to MEHNAT se hi milti hai.
"GENERAL" category RESPECT ____ENCAURAGE YOU which matters a lot
"OBC" category BENEFIT____ONLY HELPS A BIT which matters little

this is the practical thing, IMOTIONS are aside.



Mathematical Analysis

Encouragement by "GEN category RESPECT" gives you
-You will work 20% hard then other
-You need not to bother to produce OBC certificate
-If u even don't fill your category in app form "NO PROBLEM"
-Everybody (SC/ST, OBC & GEN) likes the GEN category
-Aur shan to hai hi jiski koi kimat nahi

Benefits by "OBC category TAG" gives you
-U will qualify on getting 3-5% less marks then GEN candidate
(I want to make clarify here that the difference between OBC & GEN is much narrow then expected)
-Relaxation upto 3 yrs
-May be u work less because of Benefit in mind



So the benefit is less & loss is much

But currently we are not getting any of that so the LOSS IS MUCH MUCH HIGHER.
This may be one of the reason that now a days we the "JATS" are feeling backward in the todays RACE to SUCCESS.
Few of us may have felt the same but I got some bitter words by my OWN JATBHAIs on these words in previous similar thread but I never felt BAD because being imotional is of no mean.


SO either get full RESERVATION
or get full status of GENERAL CATEGORY
beech ka nahi chaahiye

ek chhota sa sher repeat kar raha hu
"E mauze samunder gairat kar, tufa me kashti fir le chal"
"Wo dekh teri naakami par, kamjakhat kinaare haste hai"

My stand is with "NO RESRVATION" because I m a greedy man & greed of Respect first than benefit of OBC.
Such bolne ki aadat se mazboor hu bhai log so please tolerate & reply with cool hands.
BYE

Interesting way of looking at it...it makes sense

 

[rkumar]

Please read this article which quotes what all Rajiv Gandhi said in parliament on reservations and compare it with what present congress government is doing;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1712539,00300002.htm

If at all we Indians need to fix , its our politicians and nothing else. Everything else will fall in place. How the politicians loot money and how they spend it is nicely explanied in the following article by Vir Sanghvi.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1712539,00300002.htm

RK^2

 

[bharatrattan]

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/5752-2.html
Dev DahiyaJi,
This is suicidal. You may seem to win this petty feud by writing oblique poetry about members, but the gravity of the situation is best judged by people in academics and not freelance internet surfers.
40 quality seats means 40 people (at best like you) would fill them and thousands of aspirants would loose hope. You are fighting a debate by teasing people, which is dirty.
I wish you had shown more understanding of the issue. What a sacrifice to declare most people failures/khassi bacause of reservation politics.
This is inhumane competition.
Bharat

 

[ashwani]

i feel that if this OBC bill gets passed then our community should also be included in that on the national level. Only reservation i have is that once an individual enjoys the privelage of that and rises in the so called creamy layer then this should not be passed on to the next generation. I think it will not be a good idea for not getting ourself included in it since other so called higher castes of India have suppressed us a lot in the past. You can very well see the changes on the better side in the gowth of jats from Rajasthan after there inclusion in the OBC quota.

 

[dhillonpradeep]

reservation necessery

If revervation has to be, should Jats be included in as OBCs at national level?

Who all do you think can help?

yes jats must be included but should be based on theur economic conditions only

 

[manu14]

well I THINK in cuming times the scinerio will be diff..........I think all of you shud have a look at this..............

great depiction
great kesu ur involvement n ur posts are always interesting n ofcourse good

 

[chhillar]

arre kyun darave se Keshav bhai...

 

[manu14]

One of the serious obstacles to the improvement of our race is indiscriminate charity.
though the politicians n reserved candidates are not realizing
but the truth is the same n they actually destroying these people by giving reservation
but the sufferers are no doubt us the general category
hope these politicians stop playing this cheap vote politics

 

[chhillar]

Bhaiyo, come back as it's ok now. No more distractions. Keep building the controvertible yet respectful conversation...please! I had my own view on reservation but I think now have a better and more balanced standpoint on it through the courtsey of you all by contributing to threads like this one...so please!!!

Here we go again...

Reservation for Jats demanded

http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/10/stories/2006011012520400.htm

 

[anujkumar]

the practicality of it.

OBC has become almost as competitive as general (exception acknowledged), since there is 27% reservation for OBC who constitute 40% population, and as people have been saying again and again.. OBC's are not really backward!

In other word, any "help" that OBC's get out of this reservation really PROVES their backwardness. It's a typical "order statistics" problem.

Here is what is going-on on the street, which I think have not been discussed before.

OBC's get their rank in both list! as you may want to check for your self.. a typical OBC.. say in UP govt. medical admissions, gets almost the same thing as he/she would get in GE based on these lists.

But the topper OBC use the GE quota! which helps the lower OBC's. This is more the case when they can collude, (i.e system allows for some level of corruption) to adjust the "bin packing problem".

For example if there are 100 vacancies in Muzaffarnagar, 20/27 OBC's are going to JAT's and 35/50 GE are are going to JAT's.

So net positive, there is 10% milage out of it.

 

[mann123]

How relevent it is in states like Haryana and Punjab where GC population ()including JATS) is more than 70% and seats for GC are 51%.

Where these 20% GC candidates should go??

What the hell is this reservation for we jats in haryana??

Mera Kumar (Centre minister for social justice) now demanded the reservation of SC/ST on the basis of the population but declined the same in Haryana and Punjab.

Is this our fault that we are having one/two kids as compare to others having half a dozen childrens.??

 

[bls31]

Obc

I tend to agree with Mr. Nadar, for the following reasons.
While it may be considered a correct decision, politically, economically and socially, it may not be so ethically.

Firstly, sooner or later the reservation has to end. It is a cancer that is killing the very fibre of our nation. It has divided the society and while most of us are against it, it will be wrong decision to join the race. We need to stand tall and oppose it wholeheartedly.

The advancement of culture as we can call it or the broadening of the view points has resulted in our clans getting married in other communities. As the trend continues, the reservation issue will also become a family issue. What when between the two spouses one comes from the community that gets reservation and one from the one not listed. This may result more and more people opting against the reservations.

I am pretty sure, that most of the older generation was against and still seems to be against the reservation. While it is tough for younger generation to fight for survival because of this reservation, we still need to fight against it. Reservation of any kind, is asking some one to run a 100 meter race with 50 meter lead given to competitor. We all must unite and fight against it.

Let us not sacrifice the Long term goals for short term objectives. I really don't know how it will be a correct decision to join the rut socially as mentioned above?

I think being calledOBC is derigotry to us Jats, My father was the first generation out of village, retd as as a Distt Megistrate,all three sons post graduate, I retired as a brigadier, daughter in New York , son in business, sister married to aJat DG Third generation of all doing well, if we are back ward it is our own fault,,brought cousens from village to educate and uplift but the ties to home were too strong,possibly aspirations are modest, those who want to excell have excelled,The basic stock is excellent, what is needed is motivation Brig lakshman

 

[hdsura]

Perspective

Brigadier,

Your post compelled me to respond.

Your father is not DM. He is a farmer, working hard to make the ends meet.You just missed the NDA, ended up as a third grade teacher, have a sister, married to another teacher. You have a daughter, a son who tried 3/4 times in IIT, AIIMS etc.. just missed and there are other OBCs, SC/ST in your village they made it. You are a third grade teacher what world could you turn?

Now please re-write your post.

I think being calledOBC is derigotry to us Jats, My father was the first generation out of village, retd as as a Distt Megistrate,all three sons post graduate, I retired as a brigadier, daughter in New York , son in business, sister married to aJat DG Third generation of all doing well, if we are back ward it is our own fault,,brought cousens from village to educate and uplift but the ties to home were too strong,possibly aspirations are modest, those who want to excell have excelled,The basic stock is excellent, what is needed is motivation Brig lakshman

 

[mann123]

One question for all of Jats

What do you feel and think about a chamar who is your senior just because he is chamar.

You feel proud of him or thought that he don't deserve it. The respect can not be earned like this. if we want to be respected by all other we must be deserving not reserved.

 

[skarmveer]

I am Not agree with reservation for Jats

This is not fare to get enlisted in obc or any other reservation catagory for Jats. Why we jats like to get reservation ? the only reason, others are getting hence we want reservation. We are not thinking others condition verses Jats condition. We had enough resources to go forward but we are unable then how we go forward by getting reservation.

We all know if we get somthing without doing much, why we do hard work
for getting everything, we will satisfy by getting that some by way of reservation.
I am agree with Col Tewatia. Reservation is not solution of problem by any way.

If the reservation is the only way to go forward by getting other's share then it is a cycle of forwards and the backwards. Today we feel backward
tomorrow those feel backwards who are today forward and the cycle moving like this then what is the end.

Regards

 

[hdsura]

Respcet

On his face one better respect him.

If one doesn't then, unless he is nice and forgiving, can make junior's life hell and leave one with miserable options.

One question for all of Jats

What do you feel and think about a chamar who is your senior just because he is chamar.

You feel proud of him or thought that he don't deserve it. The respect can not be earned like this. if we want to be respected by all other we must be deserving not reserved.

 

[saharan21]

there should be no reservation for anyone on the basis of caste or religion.
if the govenment want to uplift the backwards they can do it by giving them free education and other benifits.
poverty makes the life hell no matter whether he is a jat or a person from other caste.
today we are fighting against the reservation. tell me by what face we can demand reservation for jats.
more over reservation is a slow poision it will shows it effects in long term.

THOSE LEADERS(AND THEIR NEAR AND DEAR) WHO WANT RESERVATION ON THE BASIS OF CASTE SHOULD BE TREATED WHEN THEY NEED MEDICAL ATTENTION BY A DOCTOR WHO GOT THERE THROUGH RESERVATION.

if and if there should be a reservation that should be on the basis of economic condition of the people not by caste or religion.

 

[chhillar]

One question for all of Jats

What do you feel and think about a chamar who is your senior just because he is chamar.

You feel proud of him or thought that he don't deserve it. The respect can not be earned like this. if we want to be respected by all other we must be deserving not reserved.

What do you feel about a corrupt and evil Jat IAS, IPS or for that matter Tehseeldar of your area? Do you think all these people deserve that respect you are talking about here?

 

[chhillar]

there should be no reservation for anyone on the basis of caste or religion.
if the govenment want to uplift the backwards they can do it by giving them free education and other benifits.
poverty makes the life hell no matter whether he is a jat or a person from other caste.
today we are fighting against the reservation. tell me by what face we can demand reservation for jats.
more over reservation is a slow poision it will shows it effects in long term.

THOSE LEADERS(AND THEIR NEAR AND DEAR) WHO WANT RESERVATION ON THE BASIS OF CASTE SHOULD BE TREATED WHEN THEY NEED MEDICAL ATTENTION BY A DOCTOR WHO GOT THERE THROUGH RESERVATION.

if and if there should be a reservation that should be on the basis of economic condition of the people not by caste or religion.

Sahran saab, there is reservation in just entrance to medical college but from there on the student has to pass the MBBS exam to get the degree on his own. So I would have problem in being treated by reserved category doctor.

 

[rakeshdahiya]

I feel JATS should be placed in the OBC List, and that too at the national level because:

a) reservation is going to stay as our politicians will never allow this tool to go out of thier hands....

b)Now the govt is lobbying to introduce reservation in private sector as well.

c) And generally speaking, I dont think jats have many significant achievement to boast about. Please keep in mind we are primarilay a farmimg community. 70% of jats are still engaged in farmimg and related activities.....but land size is shrinking. We have to move towards a knowledge base industry now and for that we need good education and then proper jobs. And if reservation can help us in achieveing thet then why should we be assamed of it...we shd just grab the opportunity...and use it to the best of our benefit.