Join Baba Ramdev in Bhrashtachar Mitao Satyagraha - 4th June 2011

BhaiRajpal, I agree that all netas are corrupt so is neta Ramdev, I am not at all siding with corruption or congress nor I am against Ramdev, but dear fact seems to me that the Baba has been purchased by the netas and he has derailed the moment of Anna. secondly IT IS WELL KNOWN FACT THAT HIS MOTIVE to raise the point is to get political benifit, thirdly I have my doubt that he can bring black money back to India, any way I may be wrong, regards. Mr Kapdal, please read carefully again, understand properly and than comment. Mr jeet who says that we are tolreting, please go head in YOUR mission, sorry for intreption, all the best. I never knew what mahatma said and really not interested to know. Brother Arvindc, I agree with you, regards. Bhai Sateyapalji, If you donot believe that I know him closely than I am sorry I cannot extened explaination, also I am here not to seek support in favour of my view, by the way if you have any reason or evidence against my knowing him, please go head and let me know, it is a humble request from a humble jat, regards.Mr Ravinderjeet, hold your horses and findout from others who know/served/associated with Fateh, while passing comments stay within some limits, do you know me or do you know what I have done or doing something against corruption or not. In the end I am sorry for hurting feelings of some, if at all my expression reached upto their delicate and colourful feelings And sorry for intreption also, Please donot waste your important time to comment further on my useless views, regards
 
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फतह सर | मन्ने आपने घोड़याँ की रास पकड़ राखी स | मन्ने आप कानी आंगली ना करी | में तो नु कहूँ सूं अक इब्ब रामदेव का विरोध कर कें हाम केवल भ्रष्टाचार का समर्थन -ए करांगे | रामदेव किः पे किन्ने पिस्से खा गा वा न्यारी बात स | रामदेव ने हटा कें जा और किस्से में यु आन्दोलन चलान की कुव्वत स तो उह ने आगे आणा चाहिए |
 
desh ki bhalayi khatir movement Ramdev chalao ya Anna Hajare chalao ya koe teesra aadmi/aurat chalao, uska sath to de do. Jis kaam te bhala hota ho wo kar nahi sakte to kam se kam usme rode mat atkao.





PS : I am not pointing to anyone. My post is generic in nature.
 
My dear Desh bhagat and his friends may tell me what have they done for the country and against corruption, how many of you went for ansan, how many contributed financially, how many runaway in ladies coths like a rat along with so called baba, how many of you got bitting by police when baba runaway leaving people to die or get Dandas of police. I donnot want to get indulge further with you people but must tell you first do something worth for the country and against the corruption than preach, at present your preaching is more applicable to you people and ment to learn by you. My dear by writing few post here and there doesnot meet the requirement, please do something on ground and than comment or ask others their account I am requesting all of you to pardon me, it was my big mistake to express my views for the panchayat of very wise people who have no time for any consideration, learning or adjusting with others point of view. thanks
 
Fateh said:
BhaiRajpal, I agree that all netas are corrupt so is neta Ramdev, I am not at all siding with corruption or congress nor I am against Ramdev, but dear fact seems to me that the Baba has been purchased by the netas and he has derailed the moment of Anna. secondly IT IS WELL KNOWN FACT THAT HIS MOTIVE to raise the point is to get political benifit, thirdly I have my doubt that he can bring black money back to India, any way I may be wrong, regards. Mr Kapdal, please read carefully again, understand properly and than comment. Mr jeet who says that we are tolreting, please go head in YOUR mission, sorry for intreption, all the best. I never knew what mahatma said and really not interested to know. Brother Arvindc, I agree with you, regards. Bhai Sateyapalji, If you donot believe that I know him closely than I am sorry I cannot extened explaination, also I am here not to seek support in favour of my view, by the way if you have any reason or evidence against my knowing him, please go head and let me know, it is a humble request from a humble jat, regards.Mr Ravinderjeet, hold your horses and findout from others who know/served/associated with Fateh, while passing comments stay within some limits, do you know me or do you know what I have done or doing something against corruption or not. In the end I am sorry for hurting feelings of some, if at all my expression reached upto their delicate and colourful feelings And sorry for intreption also, Please donot waste your important time to comment further on my useless views, regards
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कर्नल फतेह साहेब,
बहुत दुःख होता है जब आप जैसे लोग, जिन्होंने अपनी जवानी इस देश के लिए कुर्बान कर दी , वही बहादुर लोग, दिगविजय सिंह जैसे लोगों के दुष्प्रचार से प्रभावित हो कर एसे बयाँ देते हैं !
बाबा रामदेव एक गलत फैंसला कर, अनसन स्थल से भाग सकते हैं पर इन शातिर राजनीतिज्ञ की श्रेणी में कतई नहीं हो सकते! इस खेल में अनाडी हो सकते हैं पर बेईमान नहीं!
हम बहुत दिनों से सुन रहे हैं की बाबा रामदेव, रु ११००.०० करोड़ कहाँ से कमाए ! क्या हम कभी सोचते हैं की उतने ही समय में समीर गहलोत ने $१ अरब कैसे कमाए ?
हम यह सवाल नहीं करते, क्योंकि समीर एक जाट है !
ऋतिक रोशन एक एपिसोड के २ करोड़ रूपये लेता है ! बाबा रामदेव के आधा घंटे के प्रोग्राम का कितना देंगे आप , जिसका टी आर पि किसी भी शो से ज्यादा है !बाबा रामदेव के माता पिता उसी पुराने पुश्तैनी टूटे फूटे मकान में रहते हैं , क्यों नहीं एशो आराम की की जिंदगी जीते , जिनका बेटा ११ सो करोड़ का मालिक है !
में मान सकता हूँ कि आप बाबा के बारे में थोडा बहुत जानते होंगे पर सब कुछ नहीं ! अतः आप से विनम्र अनुरोध है कि आप जैसे सभ्रांत सदस्य ऐसा कुछ न लिखें जिसे पढ़ कर हमारे जैसे आनाड़ी आपकी शान में कुछ ऐसा वैसा लिख दें ! बाबा का वेश बदल अनसन स्थल से भाग जाना मुझे भी अच्छा नहीं लगा ! एक जाट का कि सोच निसंदेह अलग होती है !

एक १६ साल के एक नेवी बॉय से उसके शिक्षक ने पूछा कि अगर कभी दुश्मन, जिसके हाथ में लोडेड बन्दूक हो और तुम निहथे हो क्या करोगे? १६ साल के नाविक ने कहा कि अपनी छाती के बटन खोल दूंगा और कहूँगा करले जो करना है ! पीठ नहीं दिखा सकता !वह शिक्षक हरयाणा का ही एक जांगड़ा ब्रह्मण था, १६ साल का सही, एक जाट की भावना कैसे समझ सकता था !क्यों कहा उसने ऐसा ? यह उसके डी न ऐ में है, उसके संस्कार में है !

लेकिन यह मेरा दृष्टीकोण है ! शायद बाबा और उनके सहयोगी सोच रहे हों कि किसी और जगह से सत्याग्रह जारी रख सकते थे ! मेरी नजर में बाबा रामदेव, आज के युग में सबसे बड़ी भारतीय शख्शियत हैं! योग के दुँरा, भारतीय संस्कृति और जीवन पद्दति के प्रचार प्रसार में बाबा के योगदान का कोई शानी नहीं! मेरी विनती है कि आप भी इस मुहीम से जुड़ जाएँ !
इस आशा के साथ कि मैंने आपकी भावनाओं को कोई ठेस नहीं पहुंचाई !

आपका अनुज!

सत्यपाल
 
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Brother, belive me, I have no time for any such political party and corrupt practices, I totally with moment but the baba may be any thing, for me he is also like any other baba. I never said that I know every thing about Ramdev, anyway brother, I shall not come in the way and I am not a power which can make any difference, regards
 
A different BABA?
Is not true Baba Ramdev differ from rest of the Baba's such as Moni Baba(The corrupt Babas), and the Bed Room Baba such as Many Viagra Babas (Neta Babas)? Jab bed room babas ko bed room se fursat nahin to Baba Ramdev hi janm lega.Mana ki vo vyapari hai but vo ise MNC ki form me other countries me le ke ja raha hai to pet me dard kyo?Kam se kam employment to generate karta hai.Diwaron me paise ko to nahin chinwata.Lekha jokha Govt ke pas hai.Govt ko moka nahin mila otherwise kya vo Baba ab se pahle Tihar me Raja,Kanomozhi, Balwa aadi ki bagal ki kothri me nahin hota?Jab child paida karne se lekar marne tak swarth hai to insan koi bhi isse achhuta nahin hai.Bataye ki aaj baba se pahle kitne logon ne videshi jamin per Island kharide hain?Jis party ke neta ekmat nahin kya uska samarthan uchit hai?Jara sochiye !
 
Stanley Baldwin, a British Prime Minister had rightly said " POWER WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITY , THE PREROGATIVE OF THE HARLOT THROUGH THE AGES. " Ramdev must join active and direct politics instead of playing in the hands of political flops.

It is very easy to score brownie points in the same fashion as BJP is doing by raising the bogey of corruption and black money when the issue has been brought to the fore by Anna Hazare and Ramdev. There can be no question that black money and corruption are two big issues the country has been victim of. But before blindly following any person or group of persons, it is pertinent to be watchful of the backstage machinations and the aftermath. Ramdev, aided and abetted by BJP and its fringe groups seemed to have made an attempt to hijack the good movement started by Anna Hazare , Agnivesh, Kiran Bedi, Santosh Hegde and a few other well meaning people, out of sheer frustration and guided by an inherent political ambition. He has certainly done a disservice by precipitating the second phase of anti-corruption movement after Anna’s fast and the resultant ongoing parleys with Government on drafting the Lok Pal Bill .

Even if, Ramdev’s intentions to fight corruption are sincere, we cannot give him 100% marks. Every human being has weaknesses and so has Ramdev. Here people seem to be soliciting 100% blind support to Ramdev and want people to accept him as uncrowned king of India which is against the spirit of Parliamentary Democracy. Either give credence to democracy or to Anarchy – both cannot co-exist. Any rule a government must frame against corruption or any other malaise has to take the Parliamentary route rather than taking Haridwar or Nagpur Highway. So people have to send right people to the Parliament instead of wielding ‘ Lathis and Trishuls’. Let us be vigilant citizens , not blind followers.
 
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vpsingh said:
It is very easy to score brownie points in the same fashion as BJP is doing by raising the bogey of corruption and black money when the issue has been brought to the fore by Anna Hazare and Ramdev. There can be no question that black money and corruption are two big issues the country has been victim of. But before blindly following any person or group of persons, it is pertinent to be watchful of the backstage machinations and the aftermath. Ramdev, aided and abetted by BJP and its fringe groups seemed to have made an attempt to hijack the good movement started by Anna Hazare , Agnivesh, Kiran Bedi, Santosh Hegde and a few other well meaning people, out of sheer frustration and guided by an inherent political ambition. He has certainly done a disservice by precipitating the second phase of anti-corruption movement after Anna’s fast and the resultant ongoing parleys with Government on drafting the Lok Pal Bill .
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1. L K Advani was the first one who actually raised the issue of black money repeatedly in media and in parliament many years back. Somehow, this did not catch media's (in effect aam-public) fancy!! I am sure if Advani say 'we will make Ram-mandir in Ayoydha' tonight... This will be front-page news in all papers and special debate on all channels!
Anyhow,in a way Ramdev and co. have hijacked (I prefer the words' start following/pursuing') his movement against black money.

2. What is wrong in BJP/Left/Right/or any XYZ party raising the issue of black money/corruption? This, in fact, is their 'duty' as the main opposition party. Their's is out of 'political ambition'!.. So WHAT?? I would take the BJP-against-corruption over the BJP-for-Hindutuva any day any time. Your posts seem to suggest that BJP has no right in protesting against corruption. If people of India choose UPA to govern them than they also CHOOSE BJP as opposition to protest against UPA wrong-doings.

And not to forget, the level of corruption (and amounts involved) in the last few years is UNPARALLELED . If Ramdevs and Hazares and BJPs and Rmapfals and others demanding actions to retrieve black money, they are doing a GREAT service to this nation. Ramdev did no disservice to anybody's cause... more the merrier!!

Had there been only Hazare and his close aide protesting against corruption, 'You' would have been arguing that bunch of people are hijacking our democracy!! Govt would have outrightly rejected their demand of being a part of Lok-Pal committee... a simple "who have given authority to Hazare to represent people of India" would have suffice?

Support of BJP, RSS, Left front and other political parties to Hazare has given a bit of legitimacy to civil society members on Lok-Pal committee. Ramdev did his part by bringing his supporters to RamLila ground. Salute to him.

Wicked part is: Some Congress fans are arguing that those protesting against govt (corruption) should fight elections and prove their mantel by changing the system. Other Congressi fans are claiming that these protesters's motive are not good.. they want to fight election. What flip-flops! :D
 
vpsingh said:
Stanley Baldwin, a British Prime Minister had rightly said " POWER WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITY , THE PREROGATIVE OF THE HARLOT THROUGH THE AGES. " Ramdev must join active and direct politics instead of playing in the hands of political flops.
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What an apt saying, Sir! The best example of this is Queen Bee. Our very own divine Smt Sonia Gandhi Ji :) ; for anything that goes good in this country, mother -son duo divide the credit between themselves. For anything that goes bad, some damn congressman is made scapegoat.
 
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Allegation of corruption against the person leading the corruption movement disqualify him to lead the movement against the corruption.

i think no one here is against the corruption rather they dont want to see someone who himself is a corrupt then raising the issue of corruption.


PS:-Kdalal, Vikasgulia n VpSinghji , really a very smart articulation of thoughts by you people. i think ramdev or BJP should have you people to prepare there speeches :)
 
vikasgulia said:
What an apt saying, Sir! The best example of this is Queen Bee. Our very own divine Smt Sonia Gandhi Ji :) ; for anything that goes good in this country, mother -son duo divide the credit between themselves. For anything that goes bad, some damn congressman is made scapegoat.
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I agree with you to a great extent but there is slight difference as far as mother and son duo is concerned. Both are holding some official positions - mother is ruling party supremo and son is a democratically elected Member of Parliament and by virtue of their respective positions their interference in governance can be justified - though politically rather than being entirely justifiable. It is another debatable matter why people of this country have elected the son as Member of Parliament and why the hell the Congress delegates have reposed faith in Sonia Gandhi by electing her as party supremo.
 
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spdeshwal said:
हम बहुत दिनों से सुन रहे हैं की बाबा रामदेव, रु ११००.०० करोड़ कहाँ से कमाए ! क्या हम कभी सोचते हैं की उतने ही समय में समीर गहलोत ने $१ अरब कैसे कमाए ?
हम यह सवाल नहीं करते, क्योंकि समीर एक जाट है !
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समीर गहलोत एक शिक्षित (IITian) और साहसी उद्दमी (entrepreneur ) है I पूँजी बाजार में स्वतन्त्र व्यापार करके उसने Indiabull खड़ा किया न कि इसलिए कि उसकी माँ कांग्रेस पार्टी की एक पदाधिकारी है I हो सकता है थोडा बहुत बूस्ट उसे इस नाते मिला हो लेकिन यह कहना गलत होगा कि उसका सारा किया धरा उसी की बदौलत है I कुछ साल पहले एक पत्रिका 'इंडिया टुडे' ने उसके बारे में विस्तार से छापा था और इसमें इसका कहीं उल्लेख नहीं था कि उसने कोई हेराफेरी से पैसा कमाया है I ऐसे तो हम, धीरुभाई अम्बानी पर भी उंगली उठा सकते हैं I इसके अतिरिक्त समीर का उदहारण यहाँ रामदेव के सन्दर्भ में लागू होता नहीं दिखता, क्योंकि समीर अपने आप को एक उद्दमी ही घोषित करता है न कि बाबा .
 
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vpsingh said:
ऐसे तो हम, धीरुभाई अम्बानी पर भी उंगली उठा सकते हैं I इसके अतिरिक्त समीर का उदहारण यहाँ रामदेव के सन्दर्भ में लागू होता नहीं दिखता, क्योंकि समीर अपने आप को एक उद्दमी ही घोषित करता है न कि बाबा .
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Ambani ka sach to ye padh lo..

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3924530/Polyester-PrinceThe-Real-Story-of-Dhirubhai-AmbaniBanned-in-India

Saare karam hai unke..isme..
The polyester prince: The rise of Dhirubhai Ambani (Hamish McDonald)

This book is banned in India.There is no doubt they create thousands or may be lakhs of jobs but certainly at a cost of looted tax payers money and Government revenues.
 
VP Singh Ji

My intention to quote Sameer was that If a young man named Sameer Gehlot could become a Billionaire in a short span of time, why Can't Baba ramdev?
Baba ramdev is equally qualified person. He may not be a technocrat or management expert but surely he is an expert and knowledgeable in his field.
Also, I am sure Dhirubhai Ambani did take advantage of corrupt system to build his empire. I remember one such incident where his company was involved in falsifying documents to take advantage on import duty. It was related to Import of Plant and machinery. Spare parts were exempted from import duty where as whole plant and machinery was not. You can understand what they might have done. That save his company Crores of Rupees in early to mid eighties. I had a good friend of mine in custom intelligence. I don't want to name him here as he is a very senior officer now!

Cheers!
 
नु भी तो हो सके हे के मोड़े की कोई लोटरी निकल गयी हो. कम से कम मोड़ा इस आन्दोलन/मुढे ने आगे बड़ा रहा हे पहली यो जो मांग कर रहा हे ये पूरी हो जान दो इसके खाते बाद में बांच लयां गे.
 
atishmohan said:
Ambani ka sach to ye padh lo..

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3924530/Polyester-PrinceThe-Real-Story-of-Dhirubhai-AmbaniBanned-in-India

Saare karam hai unke..isme..
The polyester prince: The rise of Dhirubhai Ambani (Hamish McDonald)

This book is banned in India.There is no doubt they create thousands or may be lakhs of jobs but certainly at a cost of looted tax payers money and Government revenues.
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It is true, Atish but a common man has a different perception about these people and thinks that they have risen by their sheer luck and entrepreneurial skills. But fact of the matter is that they made full use of the highly corrupt political and bureaucratic set-up of India to rise to this position, like many other Gujrati, Marwari and Punjabi business people.
 
kapdal said:
You are not pointing to anyone, but those who want to get/feel pointed will do so anyways...:p
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I am in habit of getting fingured, accepted, is it ok now, are you happy now, it is not smartness but a stupid excuse/denying the true intention, but others are not fools, unfortunately my age and position doesnot allow me to comedown to your level and behave ditto. Iam not replying to anyone but my reply is generic in nature
 
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