Kashmir-what could be the solution?

Ignoring Article 370, Indians should acquire the land and households of Kashmiris. We should lure the starved and poor Kashmiris to sell their land and households and go to the PoK. Who want to live with India, they should be welcomed, but who don't, they should be paid money for their property. If Kashmiris don't like this idea, then Indian defence forces are capable enough to tackle such bunch of scoundrel people. They just want to part away with India, because they are Muslims. They have ousted Pandits and other Hindus from the valley forcefully, so they deserve to be punished.
Yet, I think the real solution of Kashmir problem lies in full-fledged war between India and Pakistan. We don't have our so massive defence forces just to terrify the world. This world is for showing some performance. If we present Kashmir to the Kashmiris as a gift, it will neither be a good performance of ours, nor a permanent solution of this problem. Kashmiris are inviting again those days of 90s, when they were being crushed under the boots of Indian army. Just some time back around 60% Kashmiris voted for democracy and all was going well, but now some of them want 'freedom' from India. They are just preparing to harass themselves more.
 
upendersingh said:
Yet, I think the real solution of Kashmir problem lies in full-fledged war between India and Pakistan. We don't have our so massive defense forces just to terrify the world. This world is for showing some performance. If we present Kashmir to the Kashmiris as a gift, it will neither be a good performance of ours, nor a permanent solution of this problem.
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Spot on.

Being a decent and cultured goody goody boy hardly makes any sense if we want to become a superpower. Above all, who will consider us a superpower if we cannot solve our problems by ourselves.

Big guys never plays with soft toys.

What we want to be ?
 
upendersingh said:
Ignoring Article 370, Indians should acquire the land and households of Kashmiris. We should lure the starved and poor Kashmiris to sell their land and households and go to the PoK. Who want to live with India, they should be welcomed, but who don't, they should be paid money for their property. If Kashmiris don't like this idea, then Indian defence forces are capable enough to tackle such bunch of scoundrel people. They just want to part away with India, because they are Muslims. They have ousted Pandits and other Hindus from the valley forcefully, so they deserve to be punished.
Yet, I think the real solution of Kashmir problem lies in full-fledged war between India and Pakistan. We don't have our so massive defence forces just to terrify the world. This world is for showing some performance. If we present Kashmir to the Kashmiris as a gift, it will neither be a good performance of ours, nor a permanent solution of this problem.
Kashmiris are inviting again those days of 90s, when they were being crushed under the boots of Indian army. Just some time back around 60% Kashmiris voted for democracy and all was going well, but now some of them want 'freedom' from India. They are just preparing to harass themselves more.[/B]
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Spot on Uppu..good reply!! Hope it helps others to refine their knowledge and understanding over the issue.
 
yudhvirmor said:
Give autonomy to kashmiris will be disaster. 100s of other groups will demand for autonomy and India's boundaries will align with Delhi's

They systematically threw away kashmiri Pandits from valley and current violent clashes are all sponsored by ISI. There is a calm in valley after Pakistan Floods.

Shift half of Bihari mass to valley and set-up some industries there. There is no other way around...
We have enough population to mitigate any uprising against country.
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Right on the money!!
 
I am glad to see that most of the Jats here did not fall prey of the sympathy propaganda. Vijay is right only the poor politics has kept this issue alive otherwise it had to be buried in the first combat (1948) itself.
 
This "sympathy" shown by our honurable PM Sardar "MMS" ji could result in disintegration of our nation sooner than later. This Kaan-gress govt is always in favour of "katwas", just coz of their vote bank. These muslims always vote in unison on name of their religion, whereas we Hindus/other religion are never so much binded by our religion. Whatever may be the reason of this agitation in Kashmir, they MUST not be stopped through talks(read autonomy). I guess KPS Gill should be given a 2-3 year term in Kashmir with full authority. Would like to see the results after his term. These kashmiris already hold a great advantage with Article 370. Now they are demanding autonomy, which is what Pukistan and Nehru's brother China wants. It is Himalaya which is protecting us from this crap China till now and if MMS ji hands over autonomy(even though conditional), it will creat major threat to our security.

Off topic though, why these Muslims are always treated with sympathy?? They are the major contributors to Terrorism in India! They are the major contributors in increasing the population in India! They are about/more than 25 crores in India(still they say they are in minority?? bull****)

Bhagwan ka naam lena buri baat nahi lekin --> Hindu ke mandir me agar aarti hoti hai or loudspeaker ki awaj thodi si tej hoti hai to uski complaint fatak se kar dete hai log (read a few days back in a newspaper that people in one locality of my city were disturbed by these aartis which start at 7 AM in morning and 6.30 PM in evening. They hardly lasts for 10 minutes. I was totally suprised by this, since i heard this for the first time in my life.), aur in musalmano ki "namaj" ke 5 tam jo loud speaker subah 5 baje bajna start hota hai(jo 5 km dur tak poori tej awaj me sunayi deta hai) wo raat ke 10 baje tak naak me dum rakhta hai, par koi iske against kabhi kuch nahi bolta. why??
 
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malikdeepak1 said:
This "sympathy" shown by our honurable PM Sardar "MMS" ji could result in disintegration of our nation sooner than later. This Kaan-gress govt is always in favour of "katwas", just coz of their vote bank. These muslims always vote in unison on name of their religion, whereas we Hindus/other religion are never so much binded by our religion. Whatever may be the reason of this agitation in Kashmir, they MUST not be stopped through talks(read autonomy). I guess KPS Gill should be given a 2-3 year term in Kashmir with full authority. Would like to see the results after his term. These kashmiris already hold a great advantage with Article 370. Now they are demanding autonomy, which is what Pukistan and Nehru's brother China wants. It is Himalaya which is protecting us from this crap China till now and if MMS ji hands over autonomy(even though conditional), it will creat major threat to our security.

Off topic though, why these Muslims are always treated with sympathy?? They are the major contributors to Terrorism in India! They are the major contributors in increasing the population in India! They are about/more than 25 crores in India(still they say they are in minority?? bull****)

Bhagwan ka naam lena buri baat nahi lekin --> Hindu ke mandir me agar aarti hoti hai or loudspeaker ki awaj thodi si tej hoti hai to uski complaint fatak se kar dete hai log (read a few days back in a newspaper that people in one locality of my city were disturbed by these aartis which start at 7 AM in morning and 6.30 PM in evening. They hardly lasts for 10 minutes. I was totally suprised by this, since i heard this for the first time in my life.), aur in musalmano ki "namaj" ke 5 tam jo loud speaker subah 5 baje bajna start hota hai(jo 5 km dur tak poori tej awaj me sunayi deta hai) wo raat ke 10 baje tak naak me dum rakhta hai, par koi iske against kabhi kuch nahi bolta. why??
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Agree with you Deepak..I dont know why some people are still advocating for autonomy.
 
क्या प्रधानमंत्री मनमोहन सिंह पूरी तरह अमेरिका के इशारे पर चल रहे हैं? अमेरिका चाहता है जम्मू कश्मीर एक स्वतंत्र बफर स्टेट बन जाये. केवल कहने के लिए भारत का अंग रहे. सारा संसाधन - खर्चा भारत से ले, परन्तु रहे स्वतंत्र. भारत का उस पर कोई लगाम नियंत्रण नहीं रहे. अमेरिका यह काम करवाना चाहता है भारतीय प्रधानमंत्री मनमोहन सिंह से. जिस दिन मनमोहन सिंह यह काम कर देंगे उस दिन उनको (मनमोहन) विश्व शांति नोबल पुरस्कार पक्का. वैसे अब तक मनमोहन ने भारत में जो भी नीतियां लागू की हैं उनसे सबसे अधिक लाभ अमेरिका व उसकी लाबी के देशों को ही हुआ है.
जिस दिन जम्मू-कश्मीर पूरा आटोनोमस हो गया उस दिन वह अमेरिका के ट्रेप में आ जायेगा. अमेरिका चाहता है की जम्मू-कश्मीर एक स्वायत्त देश की तरह हो जाये. उसके अन्दर उसका अपना राज हो. भारत की सेना उसके भीतर नहीं घुसे. भारत की सेना जम्मू-कश्मीर से सटी भारत की सीमा पर रहे.
मनमोहन सिंह ने जम्मू-कश्मीर के लगभग सभी दलों के साथ बैठक के पश्चात जब यह कहा कि जम्मू-कश्मीर को संवेधानिक ढांचे के तहत स्वायत्तता देने पर विचार किया जा सकता है तो मनमोहन के इस कहे का निहितार्थ स्पष्ट हो गया है. वह है जम्मू-कश्मीर पर अमेरिकी एजेंडा लागू करने की दिशा में पहल. उनके इस कहे के पश्चात यह आशंका होने लगी है कि मनमोहन सिंह व उनके चहेते गृहमंत्री पी. चिदंबरम ने अमेरिकी रणनीति व सोची-समझी योजना के तहत जम्मू-कश्मीर में हिंसा भड़कने दी. मामला खूब तूल पकड़ लिया तो अब स्वायतत्ता देने की बात करने लगे हैं.
यक्ष प्रश्न यह है कि जब स्वायत्तता ही देनी थी तो इसके रक्षार्थ अब तक हजारों-लाखों जवानों की बलि क्यों दी गयी? क्या इसलिए कि उन जवानों में कोई कोई किसी मनमोहन, चिदंबरम, फारूक अब्दुल्ला, एंटोनी के पुत्र/दामाद नहीं थे? इनकी तरह धनवान नहीं थे और जब जम्मू-कश्मीर को स्वायत्तता दे देंगे तब पूर्वोत्तर भारत के भी कई राज्यों को कैसे मना करेंगे मनमोहन सिंह?
(जम्मू-कश्मीर में अब तक जितने जवान शहीद हुए हैं, ५०% से अधिक राजस्थान के शेखावाटी क्षेत्र [झुंझुनू, सीकर और चुरू] के जाट शहीद हुए हैं? हमारे शेखावाटी में जाट क्या शहीद होने के लिए ही जन्म लेते हैं? किसी के पास इसका कोई उत्तर है?)
 
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Jat Belt main Congress ke sabte faltu seat ayi thee last election main...Hamne hee Kangress centre main bitha rakhi hai... yeh 50 seat BJP ki hoti toh yoh kaam naa hota Kashmir main...


Congress always has policy of "Divide & Rule". They are doing same from last 60 years.
 
This Harayanvi Song also claims ... Kaat Plot udde Jaata ke Kashmir ka Rolla Kho Daange
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Declare president's rule preferably under a governor like jagmohan.
Abolish article 370 .
Bring Demographic changes by migrating large Hindu/sikh population to Kashmir from currently highly populated areas.
Give incentives to the Hindus/sikhs migrating to Kashmir.
Kashmiri Pandits must return back.
Crush any separatist voice by force/assassinating separatist leaders by undercover operations.
Don’t even think to curb powers of army under AFSPA.
Ask media to broadcast Pro India agenda/Govt's agenda or if media refuses to agree ban them.
Human rights organization should not be allowed to function or if they function they should sing to govt's tune.
Have the steel nerve not to bow down to any sort of international pressure.


Looks like converting LOC into international border is a good option at present.Indira Gandhi missed the opportunity in 71 to have permanent solution of Kashmir problem. In future if the opportunity like 71 comes (though seems remote as both countries are nuclear powers) , exchange the occupied territory of pak with POK.

During one of my visits to Srinagar, I recollect one of the jawans on patrolling duty telling me "yadi hamare haath mein gun naa hoo toh , ye hame patharo sein maar de"


Million dollar question is do "govt have guts & determination to take on these separatists"

Remember no war has been won with economic packages & providing autonomy....

Lastly let us thank our armed forces who have been protecting India's integrity.







 
hemanthooda said:
Declare president's rule preferably under a governor like jagmohan.
Abolish article 370 .
Bring Demographic changes by migrating large Hindu/sikh population to Kashmir from currently highly populated areas.
Give incentives to the Hindus/sikhs migrating to Kashmir.
Kashmiri Pandits must return back.
Crush any separatist voice by force/assassinating separatist leaders by undercover operations.
Don’t even think to curb powers of army under AFSPA.
Ask media to broadcast Pro India agenda/Govt's agenda or if media refuses to agree ban them.
Human rights organization should not be allowed to function or if they function they should sing to govt's tune.
Have the steel nerve not to bow down to any sort of international pressure.


Looks like converting LOC into international border is a good option at present.Indira Gandhi missed the opportunity in 71 to have permanent solution of Kashmir problem. In future if the opportunity like 71 comes (though seems remote as both countries are nuclear powers) , exchange the occupied territory of pak with POK.

During one of my visits to Srinagar, I recollect one of the jawans on patrolling duty telling me "yadi hamare haath mein gun naa hoo toh , ye hame patharo sein maar de"


Million dollar question is do "govt have guts & determination to take on these separatists"

Remember no war has been won with economic packages & providing autonomy....

Lastly let us thank our armed forces who have been protecting India's integrity.
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+1, your thoughts carry weight, let's start with moderation and target full assimilation.
 
malikdeepak1 said:
Off topic though, why these Muslims are always treated with sympathy?? They are the major contributors to Terrorism in India! They are the major contributors in increasing the population in India! They are about/more than 25 crores in India(still they say they are in minority?? bull****)

Bhagwan ka naam lena buri baat nahi lekin --> Hindu ke mandir me agar aarti hoti hai or loudspeaker ki awaj thodi si tej hoti hai to uski complaint fatak se kar dete hai log (read a few days back in a newspaper that people in one locality of my city were disturbed by these aartis which start at 7 AM in morning and 6.30 PM in evening. They hardly lasts for 10 minutes. I was totally suprised by this, since i heard this for the first time in my life.), aur in musalmano ki "namaj" ke 5 tam jo loud speaker subah 5 baje bajna start hota hai(jo 5 km dur tak poori tej awaj me sunayi deta hai) wo raat ke 10 baje tak naak me dum rakhta hai, par koi iske against kabhi kuch nahi bolta. why??
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They are not treated with sympathy but in fact they are used for politics. Be it indian muslims or be it bangladeshi muslims in Assam or delhi. Manmohan Singh has said " desh ke sansadno par pahla hak musalmano ka he"- Come on dude get a life. What are u trying to achieve by this.

Have you complained about these loud speakers, I reckon you file a case with police/court. My friend got a favourable outcome through this.
 
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I don't think there will ever be solution of Kashmir issue as it's being practiced as political agenda for long from both India and Pakistan govts. May be am sounding pessimist but that's what I believe, where there is dirty politics involved in any burning issue it'll last n' last forever. All we have been seeing is dialogs, protest, dialogs, violence then again dialogs. F this bloody politics.

Anyways, giving autonomy to Kashmir is like giving up and that's not the solution and moreover it'll lead to advantages to other states like north-east regions, naxalites affected parts n' who knows if Khalistani, marathis n' even tamils start demanding it. I think the best solution is to be strict to separatist n' protesters and ask them to go to Pak if they want. Deploy Army there again n' impose sort of Army rule then they'll learn in a harder way. Call Jats, kashmiri Pandits and Bihari janta there and help them establish there .. just don't let Kashimir Muslims isolated, Kashimir unke baap ka nahi hai. We got to learn from China, as Vikas earlier explained.

Ask international communities to shut up and tell them we are dealing with it you don't need to interfere. Also keep fueling our demand for PoK, don't just settle for LOC.

I seriously feel this is the ultimate solution to deal Kashmir !


Cheers
Jit
 
if we are really serious about the solution then there exist only one solution that is a full fledged Nuclear war between India and Pakistan..

and two things India need to do :-

a) India must prepare itself to bear a massive nuclear it.

b) India must abandon its no first use nuclear policy.
 
prashantacmet said:
Huh!..I am sick of seeing this wave of sympathy and compassion for these creeps. I wonder why anyone does not speak about the fate of the Hindus of the kashmir who were tortured relentlessly, forced to abandon their home. There were countless atrocities on hindus, men were killed ,women were raped. Still is there any justice for them in this country??...no..were there home and land restored to them?..any security of Hindus who are living in the "Hell of Earth" from these fanatic murderers/rapists?...No..a big no............. These traitors have to suffer..they deserve it.... I hope that army will keep beating there butts without any mercy.
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I agree with you. I have come across some Kashmiri Hindu families and heard the first hand account of the atrocities committed against them. They were forced out of their beloved motherland, their women raped and wealth looted by terrorists. How will you react if it happens with you guys. Where were these stone-pelting angels of peace, the Kashmiri Khatoons? Why were they mute spectators, harbouring terrorists? But our memories are very short and we tend to forget things very conveniently. Can anyone suggesst a quick-fix formula for Kashmir. It is very easy to blame the government but whosoever is in the driver's seat will be confronted with the same problem. Whenever, government puts across some compromise formula before he Kashmiri dissidents, they come with the condition of trilateral talks which should include Pakistan apart from Govt. of India and the State of J&K and start demanding full autonomy or right to self-determination. Why??? There is no cogent reason or justification of this demand as, historically, the State was ruled by a Hindu Rulers pre-independence. What prompts the Muslims to claim it as a separate country to be ruled by Muslims, is not comprehensible. The Hurriyat conditionalities have always been recipe for ISI-ruled Pakistan. If Pakistan is made a party, the issue can never get resolved. What Stake Pakistan has in this issue? Pakistan is an invader and has already illegally grabbed a major portion of Indian Kashmir (known as POK) in 1948 with the help of its tribals. So, it is not only Indian Govt which is responsible for this impasse, but the Kashmiri people too. Ab burke me se pathar fenkne se problem solve thodi na hogi. Law and order has to be maintained at any cost by the law enforcement agencies and in that process casualties are bound to happen.
 
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eye 4 n eye is js not d solution....

hey..i do agree wid u to sme extent dat d present govt is resorting to vote bank politics n it is unable to find a concrete solution to dis perinnial headache called "kashmir".bt dont u think its unfair to blame js congress party 4 spreading dis so-called vote bank politics...BJP..our very own self -procalimed saviour of hindus has to b blamed equally.ur post also shows d same religious intolerence ,which is d root cause of dis very problem.if muslims r hostile towards our religion den,v brand dem as stupid wannabes n terrorists ...if v will resort to same ways den v vil bcme lyk dem only....lets accept n respect differences...if others cant do d same,den v know how to command n demand it also...bt at d right tym.jai hind!!
 
nikitasheoran19 said:
lets accept n respect differences...if others cant do d same,den v know how to command n demand it also...bt at d right tym.jai hind!!
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64 years of time period, more than 80 thousand lives, billions of funds apart from some other dangerous affects to the National Security and social harmony .... Is that not enough to ACT ?

What should be the RIGHT time according to you if not now ?
 
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