Khap Panchayat and Indian Judicial System

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...om-15-years-to-1-year/articleshow/5047925.cms
Law minister Veerappa Moily is attempting the unthinkable -- reducing the life of litigation from an average 15 years at present to one year, and that too in just three years from now.

The `Mission Document', which his ministry is preparing to be used as a `roadmap' for judicial reforms, backs up this high-spirited plan with measures like setting up 5,000 new courts across the country that will work in three shifts -- morning, day and evening.

"The infrastructure will remain the same but we will get the work of 15,000 courts to liquidate the 2.74 crore cases, which are pending in trial courts clogging the wheels of justice and entailing a litigant's endless wait for a decision in his case," Moily told TOI in an interview.

To start with, there will be Gram Nyayalays, which will be functional from Gandhi Jayanti on October 2 this year, he said. "In the coming three years, we will set up 5,000 more courts with a clear mandate that from the time of filing of a case till its decision, no more than six months time should be taken," he said and hoped that a substantial percentage of the pendency would be wiped off.

These additional courts will be backed by a solid case management plan that includes clubbing identical cases. Importantly, a judge cannot keep his judgment reserved for a long time.

"While cutting down delay in completing the trial procedure for each case, there will be a time limit put on every judge to deliver his verdict," Moily said, adding, "The time limit for giving judgments after completion of hearing will also be applicable to judges of the High Courts and the Supreme Court."

In making functional the additional 5,000 courts, the services of retired judges will be requisitioned both in the trial courts and the High Courts, which are also reeling under a pendency of nearly 40 lakh cases. A retired district judge, whose services are requisitioned, could expect a fixed pay of Rs 50,000 per month.

"We will train and equip trial court judges, provide them with laptops. Information technology will play a huge role in faster disposal of cases with the help of additional courts," Moily said.

While taking care of procedural delays and providing additional manpower to deal with pendency, the law minister also wants to reduce filing of cases, the government being the biggest litigant in higher courts.

This problem of excessive litigation on behalf of the government has arisen because no officer is ready to stick his neck out for taking a decision not to approach a higher court in the fear of being pulled up later.

"We will evolve a policy to be followed by officers in taking decisions whether or not the government should file an appeal in the higher courts or not. Once the criteria for filing of an appeal is evolved, which would be a little conservative towards moving higher courts, I expect a drastic fall in governmental litigation," the law minister said.
Govt is also planning to requisition the services of retired judges to deal with the pendency of cases. A retired district judge could expect a fixed pay of Rs 50,000 per month.
“We will train and equip trial court judges, provide them with laptops. Information technology will play a huge role in faster disposal of cases with the help of additional courts,” law minister Veerappa Moily said. While taking care of procedural delays and providing additional manpower to deal with pendency, the law minister also wants to reduce filing of cases, the government being the biggest litigant in higher courts.
This problem of excessive litigation on behalf of the government has arisen because no officer is ready to stick his neck out for taking a decision not to approach a higher court in the fear of being pulled up later.

Kehte hain doosre ki thali mein ghee jyada hi nazar aata hai.
Govt. is taking intiative to make similar type of structure as we are having from centuries.
 
ढाका साहब क्या राजस्थान के जाटों में सगोत्र विवाह का रिवाज हैं ? रही बात खाप के लचीलेपन की तो जैसा दलाल साहब ने बताया हैं के समय अनुसार खाप अपना लचीलापन दिखाती रही हैं , पहले हम चार गोत्र टालते थे जिसमे नानी का गोत्र भी सम्मलित था | जैसे जैसे रिश्ता करने में कठिनाइया आने लगी खाप ने " नानी कानि " कर दी | गौरतलब बात यह हैं के जाटों में करीब ४००० गोत्र हैं , गोत्र बढे हैं घटे नहीं फिर ये हालत क्यों हुए हैं ? जैसा की जस्टिस तेवतिया साहब ने रोहतक की एक खाप पंचायत में कहा के हमे रिश्ते दूर दराज के जाटों से भी करना चाहिए जबकि हमारी कोशिश येही रहती हैं के रिश्ता पास ही हो दूर न जाना पड़े | जब तक ऐसी सोच रहेगी तो रिश्तों में दिक्कत आएगी | (आजकल जो जाट शहरों में रह रहे हैं उनको रिश्ता करने में सबसे ज्यादा दिक्कत का सामना करना पड़ता हैं क्योकि वो लोग सामाजिक न रहकर अपने काम अपने परिवार तक सीमित रहते हैं , और बाद में मत्रिमोनिअल का सहारा लेते हैं) |
यह गोत्र रिवाज कोई आजका नहीं हैं और ना ही यह केवल हरियाणा उत्तरप्रदेश दिल्ली के जाटों में हैं बल्कि इसको पंजाब के सिक्ख जाट भी मानते हैं | प्रोफ़ेसर बी. स. ढिल्लों ने भी इस गोत्र विवाह का हवाला अपनी किताब में दिया हैं "
On Jat marriages, Major Barstow [5] wrote," Every Jat clan is exogamous, i.e., while every person "must" marry a Jat of opposite sex, no person "can" marry into his/her own clan (or his/her) mother's clan (about fifty years ago this was also applicable to the grandmother's clan as well), as such a union would be regarded as incest. Besides the above restrictions, it is unusual for a person to marry into a family of whatever clan it may be that settled in his/her own village. Unions between persons of different religion are forbidden, but for this purpose no difference is made between Punjabi Jats who are Hindus and Jats who are Sikhs". "
आज हमारी भारत सरकार भी पंचायत प्रणाली को मानती हैं | इस पंचायत प्रणाली को संविधान में भी मान्यता दे रखी हैं | यह पंचायती राज जाटों की देन हैं , और आज सरकार इसी खाप पंचायत को गलत करार देने पर आमदा हैं इसको ban करने की सोच रही हैं | पंचायती राज पर प्रोफ़ेसर बी.स.ढिल्लों ने लिखा हैं "
An eminent Sikh scholar, Khushwant Singh [10], said it was the Jats who introduced the panchayat system (a body of five elected people that is widely practiced in modern India). In fact, he wrote, "They (Jats) brought with them certain institutions, the most important being the pancayat (panchayat), an elected body of five elders, to which they pledged their allegiance. Every Jat village was a small republic".
More information on Panchayats see Ref. [5] page 163. Interestingly, this highlights the fact that the modern Jats have kept this tradition alive for hundreds of years. For example, Ammianus Marcellinus [11], a fourth century Roman, wrote, ""all are born of noble blood, and moreover they (Alani a branch of the Massagetae or "great" Jats) choose chiefs those men who are conspicuous for long experience as warriors".
आज के "TOI" में कबूलपुर काण्ड पर एक खबर छपी हैं जिसमे फिर से खाप को गलत करार देने की कोशिश की हैं | page no.10 पर जिसमे लड़की का ब्यान इस प्रकार हैं " i knew our realtionship would not acceptable to our parents and society " Asked whether she was aware of social norms that forbid same gotra marriage , she replied in the affirmative . " लेकिन जो प्यार करते हैं उनको शादी करने देना चाहिए ." और लड़की के आशिक ( भाई ) नवीन का ब्यान इस तरह से हैं " we may be held gulity under the law , but i hold the khaaps responsible for this "
अब बताओ इसमें खाप का के कसूर स | क्यों खाप ने कोसे स ? काल न कोई भाई न्यू कहेगा के म तो अपनी माजाई बहिन से शादी करूँगा तो इसको समाज कैसे क़बूल करेगा | अब तक जो गाँव आबाद हैं क्या वो बिना प्यार के आबाद हो गए ? क्या हमारे माँ बाप दादा दादी ने बिना प्यार के यो कुणबा जोड़ दिया ? आजकल आले इन नई नसल आल्या का बेरा न कुणसा प्यार स यो ?
( इनकी करतूत देख के इसा डर लागन लाग्या के इब अगर मेरा छोरा भी न्यू कह्देगा न अक बाबू म तो अपनी माँ / बाहन गेल्या ब्याह करूँगा तो मैंने न्यू ए कहनी पड़ेगी के बटेऊ कर लिए पर मेरी कदे सूते की नाड़ ना तार दिए खाप आल्या न मैं आपे देख ल्यूँगा) ;)|

 
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Yudhvir Bhai, Generation gap is ok.. it had always been there and it will be there in future also. even in so called 'developed nations', generation-gap is there (though parent's objection list is different) But that is not the point here.

We are/were discussing about the role of Khaps/Panchayats in 'honor killings' and (recent) 'reverse honor killings'!!
I have already put my views in earlier posts in this thread regarding the inability/inaction/passiveness of Khap in these matters.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=224058&postcount=146

Progressive, evolving, mature, lachilee Khaps... great concept... utopian. It should be there. But should is a funny word. In an 'utopian' world there won't be any need of a Khap either!!

Many ppl are accusing khap of their DIRECT or INDIRECT involvement in 'honor killings'.
Strangely, nobody is talking about the parents responsibilities!!
As i already said, honor killing, suicides related issues are everywhere in India.. if Gotar is not an issue, then somewherecaste is or somewherestatus is or parent's whimsy objections are.
In most parts of india, Khaps doesn't exist BUT these issues does!!
[BTW even in some part of Andhra, same clan / same village marriages are not allowed though they can marry in their mother's gotar. Such marriages should be allowed or not is an entirely different issue.]

How and why khaps are being dragged in recent incident is beyond my understanding [whereas individuals are being let-off.] :confused:

All that i can say further: If Khaps/Pnachayats are uncivilized and barbaric.. believe me our cast, our ppl are far more savage and barbaric.. Here at JL itself many ppl are ok with 'honor killings', go to average Molads of villages and towns, hear their view regarding these issues.. :)

I strongly believe that our Panchayats/Khaps are a liberal, forward minded, milder (in some sense) and progressive reflection of our folks. if Khaps are not good enough, there is something horribly wrong with our cast/society and only time can fix that. :(


I strongly agree with you buddy. We need khap panchyats and its our tradition. Jats are more often are on target because we are half cooked.. we are not like tribes of Bihar/chatisgarh/AP and also doesn't belong to elite club of socialites.. I found it silly that people are saying that she killed her family because she had fear that they'll kill her.. To be very practical, it was better option for her parents to kill her (Read Honor Killing), In that scenario ratio would be 1:7....

You have raised valid point that whom to blame and whom to trust.. I understand parents play important role in shaping up the personalities of their wards. However, We can't guarantee that parents will succeed. 2nd Control gate is education institutes ( I did my 10th in 1996 and we had good strength of gals in class and I don't remember if anybody was dating any gal from our section/class/school). However, Its very common now days and even parents know that their children are romantically involved (In case of Gals, only mother knows about her just friends ;))

Things are changing because world is evolving (It used to take around 2-3 months to purpose a gal. You need to find her friend then you need to find her school/tuition timings then you need some expert who can pen down some golden words on piece of golden paper). Now its just sms away..
Our tradition has been left out from this evolution and we never thought to discuss about these challenges and society leader failed to incorporate these changes. Same is true for parents.

I feel situation is quite explosive and learning about tradition are coming with violent means.. These kind of incidents may send strong message to our young generation that we need to be little more disciplined and there are lots of way to spend time other than chit chatting on Nokia phones with Tata connections...
 
Some people here use this argument that if we ignore these cases and don't take strong actions (even of the order of honour killing), people will start marrying their cousin sisters/brothers. But I don't see the reason for their fears. There are communities/places where there are no such actions taken and people are not marrying their cousins. People grow up playing with their cousins treating them as their sisters and brothers and there is no reason why they will on some day decide to get married. When we speculate about something, we should atleast see around for contradictions.

Some people are relating panchayats with honor killing while others differ. One can agree may be that panchayats are not involved in killings but what about forcing the familises or the couple to leave the village, or live separately etc. Those are big enough problems for the couples. moreover the family itself does not define the ijjat etc of that home, it is also how the society reacts to it. If the society and neihbourhood left these people and their families alone and the panchayts did not pass resolutions against them, families will most probably not think of killing their kids.
 
As Lawyer For Human Rights International Filed a case in Punjab and Haryana High Court for abolishing Khap panchayats and verdicts passed by them.

No doubt you've made an important point Sir. What I think is we should keep our ethnicity intact whether there is any amendment in Hindu marriage Act or not relating the incestous marriages within same gotras. We should take an initiative to bring it to the kind notice of our law-makers and till this amendment happens it is the moral duty of parents and elders to teach their wards about our customs and beliefs.
 
ढाका साहब क्या राजस्थान के जाटों में सगोत्र विवाह का रिवाज हैं ? रही बात खाप के लचीलेपन की तो जैसा दलाल साहब ने बताया हैं के समय अनुसार खाप अपना लचीलापन दिखाती रही हैं , पहले हम चार गोत्र टालते थे जिसमे नानी का गोत्र भी सम्मलित था | जैसे जैसे रिश्ता करने में कठिनाइया आने लगी खाप ने " नानी कानि " कर दी | गौरतलब बात यह हैं के जाटों में करीब ४००० गोत्र हैं , गोत्र बढे हैं घटे नहीं फिर ये हालत क्यों हुए हैं ? जैसा की जस्टिस तेवतिया साहब ने रोहतक की एक खाप पंचायत में कहा के हमे रिश्ते दूर दराज के जाटों से भी करना चाहिए जबकि हमारी कोशिश येही रहती हैं के रिश्ता पास ही हो दूर न जाना पड़े | जब तक ऐसी सोच रहेगी तो रिश्तों में दिक्कत आएगी | (आजकल जो जाट शहरों में रह रहे हैं उनको रिश्ता करने में सबसे ज्यादा दिक्कत का सामना करना पड़ता हैं क्योकि वो लोग सामाजिक न रहकर अपने काम अपने परिवार तक सीमित रहते हैं , और बाद में मत्रिमोनिअल का सहारा लेते हैं) |....

राजस्थान में नानी का गोत्र भी टाला जाता है । अपवाद इसलिए कि राजस्थान में न तो खाप हैं न ही सगोत्र विवाह के मामले और नहीं honour killing के . इसका मतलब है कि यह तीनो चीज हरियाणा के परदृश्य में परस्पर संबंध रखती हैं , तथा इनका हल इस परिस्थिति को संबोधित किये बिना नहीं निकलने वाला.

और यदि बात सगोत्र के सवाल तक रहती तो शायद इतना बवाल नहीं होता, पर अब मामला पिंड स्तर पर पहुँच गया कि गाँव के सभी गोत्र सपिँड मान लिए गये, जैसे कि हाल ही में एक गहलोत परिवार के मामले में सामने आया, तब सोचना चाहिए कि कहाँ तक ऐसी कट्टरता ठीक है. और भी कई दकियानूसी उदाहरण हैं . लचीलापन इन मामलो में ही संदर्भ निहित है । चार गोत्र टालने का मामला शायद ही कभी विवाद में आया हो, फिर भी यह तो मानना होगा कि जो इसको भी नहीं मान रहे उनके मानवाधिकारो का हनन करने का अधिकार किसी भी खाप पंचायत को नही है , उनके जीवन को क्षति पहुँचाने का तो बिलकुल नहीं .
 
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मैं भी राजस्थान के चिडावा शहर के कादियान गोत्र के जाटों में ब्याह राख्या सु | मैंने इस तरफ कभी कोई भी ऐसी शादी नहीं देखि जो गाँव की गाँव में हुई हो | रही बात सपिंड की तो आज तक किसे माँ बाप ने इस रीति के खिलाफ आवाज़ या ऐतराज नहीं जताया जिनने अपने बालका के ब्याह की ज्यादा चिन्ता हो स | यह रोला तो सिर्फ आजकल के यह " जुगनू " ही कर रहे हैं | इनकी गिनती भी इतनी कोणी के इनके लिए पूरी सामाजिक व्यवस्था बदलनी पड़े | इनकी मान भी लोगे तो फेर काल न इनके घर भी उझङते हान्डेगे क्योकि इन "जुग्नुआ" ने सिर्फ रात रात दिखे स न्यू ना बेरा अक दिन भी निकलेगा |
रही बात मानवधिकार आल्या की तो इनने तो 377 भी सही लागे स , उसका क्या ?
 
जो जुगनुओं का पीछा करते हैं वही नाउम्मीदी के अंधेरे से बाहर आते हैं, आपने नहीं देखी यह पूरी समझ का बङा ही कमजोर आधार है, सिरसा में ऐसे पर्याप्त उदाहरण हैं । सामाजिक व्यवस्था बदली नहीं जाती है, बदलाव अपने आप आता है, जरूरत इस बदलाव को समझने की ताकि टकराव को टाला जा सके । दिन का सवेरा उनके लिए मायने नहीं रखता जो भोर से पहले मंजिल के लिए निकल पङते हैं । और परिवर्तन चाहने वाले ऐसे ही लोग होते हैं । हर बात का जवाब हो ऐसा आवश्यक नहीं पर हर बात की समझ होना जरूरी है ।
 
राजस्थान में नानी का गोत्र भी टाला जाता है । अपवाद इसलिए कि राजस्थान में न तो खाप हैं न ही सगोत्र विवाह के मामले और नहीं honour killing के . इसका मतलब है कि यह तीनो चीज हरियाणा के परदृश्य में परस्पर संबंध रखती हैं , तथा इनका हल इस परिस्थिति को संबोधित किये बिना नहीं निकलने वाला.

और यदि बात सगोत्र के सवाल तक रहती तो शायद इतना बवाल नहीं होता, पर अब मामला पिंड स्तर पर पहुँच गया कि गाँव के सभी गोत्र सपिँड मान लिए गये, जैसे कि हाल ही में एक गहलोत परिवार के मामले में सामने आया, तब सोचना चाहिए कि कहाँ तक ऐसी कट्टरता ठीक है. और भी कई दकियानूसी उदाहरण हैं . लचीलापन इन मामलो में ही संदर्भ निहित है । चार गोत्र टालने का मामला शायद ही कभी विवाद में आया हो, फिर भी यह तो मानना होगा कि जो इसको भी नहीं मान रहे उनके मानवाधिकारो का हनन करने का अधिकार किसी भी खाप पंचायत को नही है , उनके जीवन को क्षति पहुँचाने का तो बिलकुल नहीं .

Dhaka Saab and All,

Have a look here:-

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...cock-a-snook-at-khaps/articleshow/5001464.cms


Often loathed for its mediaeval faith in khap (caste) panchayats that rip apart lovers defying the ban on marriages within the same
village and sometimes in the neighbourhood, the Jat community has thrown up a surprise in the form of a few hamlets, including Chautala, where young couples are not hounded in the name of brotherhood norms.

DR Chaudhry, member of Haryana Administrative Reforms Commission, belongs to Chautala in Sirsa and so does his wife. “Not just me, but many others have been married within the village and nobody has ever raised questions,” said Chaudhry, adding, “there is this vast Jat belt extending from Fatehabad district in Haryana to Abohar-Fazilka in Punjab and Sri Ganganagar, Bikaner, Jaisalmer and Barmer in Rajasthan where there is no khap system and marriages within the same village and gotra (sub-caste) are quite common.”


The wife of Devi Lal’s son and deputy chairman of state planning board, Ranjeet Singh, is from Ganganagar but her mother belongs to Chautala. “Ours is a very large village consisting of 10,000 voters. Though such marriages are taking place, it’s not always possible to avoid traditions and customs prevalent in other Jat areas,” said Ranjeet.

Others who have cocked a snook at the archaic khap norm are former MLA Brijlal Godara, farmer Devi Lal Godara from Chautala, Mani Ram Bishnoi of Gorakhpur, former chairman of panchayat samiti, Fatehabad, Krishan Rohaj of Bharola Wali and block samiti chairman Pratap Singh Sai of Bhattu Kalan — he has, in fact, married twice and both wives are alive. A large number of such instances are also available in Pilimandori, Badopal, Khajuri and Mohamadpur Rohi villages in Fatehabad district.

But everybody is not so fortunate. “We have been compelled to commit suicide...,” went the death note of a couple in Bosti village, Fatehabad. Similarly, in Hisar’s Bheri Akabarpur village, an SC couple, belonging to different castes, was reportedly driven to end their lives by a belligerent society.

But strange are the ways of these haters of ‘love within village’ for they don’t seem to mind people buying girls from West Bengal, Bihar, Assam and Nepal to cope with the growing army of bachelors in a state weighed down by a skewed sex ratio. “In reality, reactionary forces are against marriages of choice due to their tribal mindset,” concluded Shakuntala Jhakar, state secretary of All-India Democratic Women’s Association.
 
Though it is a big discussion but in brief I would like to submit to our brothers few of my views for consideration please.
1) Khanp panchayat system is very old & it has a long History available in black & white. As for as Rajesthan is concern, due to low social status of jats in the society, the role of khanp panchayat was performed by the Rajput leader of the village/ area.
2) Khanp panchayat system is much older than the judicial system. In fact at some stage these khanp panchayats were holding judicial responsibilities of prosecuting & defending specially in cases of social nature.
3) Khanp panchayats are ment to mantain social order discipline in the society, name/ fame of the community, protection/ help of weak/ poor, Impart knowledge , guidance & ensure implimentation of traditions/ customs/practices of social nature.
4) They are managed by very experienced, capable, reputed caltured &elderly people.
5) Their system of inquiry & decesion making/pernouncement is democratic, transparent, deliberate& grants equal opportunity to both sides. The fact is that the system is much batter, farer & faster than the present judicial system of the country.
6) fronkly speaking no killing ordered by these panchayats, either the families concern or individuals concern are responsible for such in human /illegal acts.
7) Need of the hour:-
a) Proper bringing up of children.
b) proper knowledge about our traditions, social customs & the
khanp panchayat system to our yougth & the media.
c) Involvement of yougth is social & khanp actiities.
d) Proper management of the media.
e) Khanp managers have to be more practical, flexible, tranparent & have to keep the law of the land in view while deciding such cases. The social problem has to be solved socially.
f) our traditions/social customs required to be writen & get them approved by our exicutive as well as judiciary.
g) Hindu marriage act needs to be amended accordingly.
h) Finally, such unsocial acts by our yougth needs to be handled in a very mature manner by the families concern.
 
May I add one more point that in most of the cases, the khanp panchayat comes in when judicial & local efforts fails. I donot mean that sucess rate of these panchayats is 100% but certainly in such social matters these panchayats do batter job.These panchayats donot stop anybody to take legal course/action. I would like to request elderly people to recollect their memories & tell us the difference in the state of discipline, day today fighting, court cases, enemity etc in the villages during the period when the panchayati raj has not started by the govt & now when these official panchayats are playing various roles. I request to my young brothers to takeup a special study and find out the above mentioned difference of the state in the villages. Fronkly speaking after these elected panchayats have started working in villages, the peace, harmony, respect/love for each other, cooperation, helping hand etc has vanished from the villages. Gentilemen, khanp panchayats had been part of our calture for ages & as long as we follow our calture these panchayats will remain an important part of the calture. Regards
 
Dhaka Saab and All,

Have a look here:-

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/5001464.cms

Often loathed for its mediaeval faith in khap (caste) panchayats that rip apart lovers defying the ban on marriages within the same
village and sometimes in the neighbourhood, the Jat community has thrown up a surprise in the form of a few hamlets, including Chautala, where young couples are not hounded in the name of brotherhood norms.
Thanks! for putting up, I have already referred in my previous posts about Sirsa. And, these can be trend setters, however I doubt if moneyed and landlord class would take a liberal view of it. Because it would hurt them in their class interest. I always try to say that it is not solely a caste matter it is lot more to with class. And, these marital norms are more into the business of intra-gotra and intra-pind stratification which would only harm the jats in the long run.

Interestingly, some commentators have quipped about these acts as 'tribal mindsets'. I would like to plead the case for the tribals here as the Bhils and Garasias of Rajasthan whom I have known so long. Not a single marriage in the Bhils is solemnised by the parents. It is their perhaps most liberal form of custom that they identify their partners in village fair and then when they talk with each other about each other's acceptance that then the parents step in. So, in my view tribals are more progressive so far as these marital norms are concerned.
I would request not to malign the tribals for the sake of the convenience of the argument.
Thanks!
 
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The strange thing is that these haters of ‘love within village’ will often cast a blind eye to the incedents of eve teasing by the same vilagers. And if the things get worse, then the eve teasing, it is always the fairsex who is reprimanded.

Khap Panchayat is an issue raised for political calculations rather then to tackle any Judicial issues.
 
In our social system the Gotra separation for atleast 4 Gotras are very human & scientifically correct system which was adoped by our community since many centuries of socialism this system is very important in scientifically correct method of marriages in between two famalies & it should be followed for maintaining the social system of our Jat community because it is the real judicial system. Permission for marriages in real Gotra is not acceptable by the community & in that case there is no difference between animals, birds & human being. So the system adopted by our forefather's is the correct & scientifically fit system & it should be protected by social thinkers/think tanks of Jat community otherwise our breed will be colepsed badly in future & breavery of Jat community will be badly damaged by non-social youngers of our community because they are not knowing the social responsibilities for our Jat community & it is not out of way to say that they are doing like Hindi version *Pyar mein andhe Kya kar lenge Khanp ke Bande* but the historian Jats are not animals or birds.
 
The UPA government is readying an amendment to the Indian Penal Code to make honour killings a ‘‘distinct offence’’ so that deterrent punishment can be handed out to khap panchayats that order death penalty for young couples who marry defying caste barriers. The bill will look at distinguishing honour killings from ordinary murders by widening its definition under Section 302.
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Dail...p?Daily=CAP&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI

at page 14.
 
Bhaisahab kyonki yahan par mathematical theory nahi chalti ki a = 2 and b= 2 so a=b.

Agar mein kah deta huu ke chhore ke byah mein, chhora barat le kar jata hai ladki ke yahan aur shadi kar ke lata hai. Tum puchoge "Kya ladki ki bhi shadi hoyee ke?", i will tell haan, toh kya tum yeh puchoge ki ladki bhi barat le kar aa saktee hai pher toh?".

Toh tu hi bata de kya yeh possible hai???




bhai kadyan yo b hoya se beri me k ek chori barat lekar aayi ,khud ghodi pe baith kr aayi aur chore te shadi kar li.....na bera ho to beri me thare kise bhi kadyan bhai te puch liye............isliye kuch b ho sakta h kuch ni bera bhai.................

ab serious baat karte hain:-->

bhai haryane me aajkal in gotra k karan bahut bura kaam hon lagra h,kuch to bhai gotre bhi ghane hoge, shadi k time
papa,
mummy,
dadi,
nani
sab k got dekhe se,aur kite n kite got mile ja se........esa hoyi pache rishta toot ja se jiste bhai sab dukhi to hove se,lekin aajkal hum jise jawan balak ya baat samjhte ni gotra ki aur koi b galat kadam utha leva sa......
Jaha tak main sochu su jo ya khap panchayat h ya kuch galat decision bhi le se,....jaise ki thode din pehla ek admi gela hua tha ki uske ek balak bhi hogya tha shadi pache aur shadi n b 3-4 saal hoge the aur shadi bhi puri barat le jake pure gaam wala k samne hui thi,lekin baad me jab panchayat hui to panchayat boli us admi te ki tu apni patni (wife) ne behan man le.....bhai tham khud bataio jab shadi hui to panchayat kit jari thi?panchayat ne 3 saal pache bade sapne aaye ki gotre mile se?aur koi bhi admi apni patni ne ek balak hoyi pache behan kyukar maan lega?bhai tham sare nu batayio ki is mamle me panchayat ka decision kitna thek se??
bhai shadi k time maa aur papa ka gotra ni milna chahiye ye baat thek se lekin apne to satgamme ka bhi ghana checkkr hove se.
jat bhaiyo mane kuch galat bola ho to vo bhi bata diyo....................


vikas dhankhar
 
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bhai kadyan yo b hoya se beri me k ek chori barat lekar aayi ,khud ghodi pe baith kr aayi aur chore te shadi kar li.....na bera ho to beri me thare kise bhi kadyan bhai te puch liye............isliye kuch b ho sakta h kuch ni bera bhai.................

ab serious baat karte hain:-->

bhai haryane me aajkal in gotra k karan bahut bura kaam hon lagra h,kuch to bhai gotre bhi ghane hoge, shadi k time
papa,
mummy,
dadi,
nani
sab k got dekhe se,aur kite n kite got mile ja se........esa hoyi pache rishta toot ja se jiste bhai sab dukhi to hove se,lekin aajkal hum jise jawan balak ya baat samjhte ni gotra ki aur koi b galat kadam utha leva sa......


vikas dhankhar

na ji sarpanch sahab bhout sahi kahii apnee agee t dhyaan rakhaa ge ....


nani ka to bhout pahle hata deya tha or ab 1,2 saal pahle dadi ka bhi hata deya
 
I strongly believe that our Panchayats/Khaps are a liberal, forward minded, milder (in some sense) and progressive reflection of our folks. if Khaps are not good enough, there is something horribly wrong with our cast/society and only time can fix that. :(

Right.....
 
Why blame only Haryana, UP, etc or specially Jat when khap panchyat system is present every where and reserving the indian culture & values in south Indian states also.
Whether people accept this or not the khap system is universal phenomana in India. form J & K to Kanyakumari. and these are the necessary institution to govern far reached villages for preservation of social value & culture etc.

Women targeted in TN ‘honour’ killings



As Centre Mulls Khap Law, TN Turns Blind Eye To Caste Murders In Its Backyard


Jaya Menon | TNN



Chennai: In Sivaganga district of south Tamil Nadu, an agrarian pocket made famous by its high profile MP and home minister, P Chidambaram, 39 women committed suicide from January 2008 to June 2010. Not far away and neighbouring Madurai in the south, Theni district, which holds Andipatti, where former chief minister and AIADMK leader J Jayalalithaa contests for the assembly elections, 82 suicides by women were recorded by the police during the same period. In Virudhunagar district, 90 suicides were recorded and Thoothukudi 136.
The statistics may appear innocuous, though worrying, as all these districts are categorised as caste-sensitive. Activists in the region are waking up to a new possibility - that these suicides could well be driven by 'caste honour'. The figures are replies to RTI queries to district authorities by a Madurai-based NGO, Evidence.
"We are beginning to believe that many of these suicides are actually instigated and could even be murders, but registered by the police under IPC as suicides," says A Kathir of Evidence, an NGO campaigning for the cause of dalits. And there are cases, eye-witnesses and even police records to confirm this - some buried away deep in Tamil Nadu's agrarian backyard, but some still smouldering evidence of deep-rooted inter-caste jealousy and hatred. "In the last three months alone, there have been six cases of honour killings in Tamil Nadu" he says, pointing out that in almost all the cases, the alleged murders were a fallout of caste hatred. "And in five of the six cases, it is the women who were either murdered or driven to suicide."
As the Centre mulls an amendment to the Indian Evidence Act (in the wake of a recent rash of 'honour' killings in the north, instigated by Khap panchayats), which seeks to put the onus on the caste councils to prove their innocence and make them equally culpable, murders and instigated suicides to uphold "honour" continue in Tamil Nadu's caste-sensitive southern districts.
According to CPM state secretariat member P Sampath, half-hearted attempts by successive governments in the state to bridge intercaste hostility -the statesponsored social justice tea parties, samathuvapurams (egalitarian colonies) and cash incentives for intercaste marriages - are mere cosmetic efforts that fail to hide the lack of political will and blatant attempts to nurture caste groups and stoke hatred. "The government is neither keen on a legislation nor do they have a proper social outlook. They see casterelated issues as a law and order problem," says Sampath.
In some cases, police who have a crucial role to play in creating awareness, help to hide the crime, registering killings as suicides. "There has to be social awareness," admits DGP Letika Saran, who feels the media has a "greater role" to play in this.
 
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