Let's Discuss UP Election: Opinions, Exits: Haathi, Haath, Kamal Aur Cycle!

amitkumar98 said:
and y do u think mulayam wud note want development in west up....coz of us?????.........western up caste ratio is muslims>jats>yadavs...... yadavs and muslims are his core vote.........in western up there are 17 muslim,12 jats and 10 yadav mla,s mainly of rld and s.p....why he wud ignore western up.....i dont know bout ur side(baghpat)....but in bulandshahr jats hv been always voting for s.p and rld.....kirnpal (a jat) is the local leader over here who recently joined rld......and when u say bout police recruitement its true that mulayam singh has recruited most of the yadavs than whats wrong in tht is he not supposed to support his own caste.....every c.m do tht just take an example of haryana hooda saabh supports the jats open heartidly......
aur jo aap goondaraj ki baat kar rahe ho wo mulayam singh nahi failata wo dusri parties jo coalation mein hoti hai........wo karti hai....ek bar sapa ko majority mein aane do fir dekho....akhilesh is considerd much beter leader than rahul gandhi........and when mulayam was c.m the media and technolgy was not as advanced as it is now....u see in coming time s.p is goona hv a fair governance....akhilesh refused ticket to d.p yadav (of noida)......agar wo chate to use khada karte magar aisa nahi kiya bcz party is improving leaps and bound....
aur jo aap mayawati ki itni tarif karte hai na to mein bata do ki mayawati hates jats and yadavs most.......jatan sirohi ko bhi usne hi marwaya tha.........cnt see jat voting for her.....
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for clearance i would like to tell u i didn't use the word purabiya for jats of bulandshahr or alighar side ,,i meant it people of eastern up..itwah.kanpur.luknow etc..and people from pashim meant people from meruut,bulandshahr,mathura,baghpat,mujjafnagar.

I used that line in context of whole up ..not within west up..
 
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माना जा रहा है कि कांग्रेस से गठबंधन के एवज में रालोद प्रमुख अजित सिंह ने केंद्रीय मंत्रिमंडल में मंत्रालय भले ही प्राप्त कर लिया हो परन्तु जाटों के बीच उन्हें ओबीसी आरक्षण में कटौती कर 4.5 प्रतिशत मुस्लिम कोटा देने का जवाब देना मुश्किल। http://www.jagran.com/news/spotlight-8818593.html
One more thing Mr. Ajit Singh already supported over 8.5% muslim reservatio in Uttar Pradesh OBC list, where Jats have been given reservation from BJP. Isliye pehele se jo Jat ko UP mein mil raha tha ajit singhji ne usmey se bhi muslim ko dene ki baat kahi hai..Why should UP jat vote to Mr. Ajit Singh?
 
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An Observation: Cast Considerations

Well, let's move beyond from who should JAT vote for in UP (it's very important discussion though) to larger issue of "Hawaa Kiski Hai?

What I understand from various talk shows and news that I have been watching on TV:

1. Mayawati: Anti Incumbency and eroding Brahman support will ensure that she is brought down to 120-125 seats.

2. Mulayam : After all minority appeasement, he will also bear the burnt of OBC backlash due to reduction in Quota share of other casts. He is the one who is wholeheartedly backing Muslim Sub Quota. Besides, Mulayam's Gundai is still in the people's memory. He will not be the sole beneficiary of Mayawati's Anti-incumbancy.

3. Congress: With all this Muslim Sub quota backlash and unsure brahman voter, backlash against UPA governance issues. I doubt its tally will go beyond 50, come what may.

4. BJP: Projection of OBC leaders like Uma Bharati, the only party against muslim reservation. Will it get some benefit of its unique position??

So, as per my observation, MMB will be around 100 seats each (Mayawati, Mulayam above100, BJP sub100). Congress will be distant 4th.

I do not belong to UP and do not know any earthy reality. UP Guys, please suggest.
 
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vikasgulia said:
Well, let's move beyond from who should JAT vote for in UP (it's very important discussion though) to larger issue of "Hawaa Kiski Hai?

What I understand from various talk shows and news that I have been watching on TV:

1. Mayawati: Anti Incumbency and eroding Brahman support will ensure that she is brought down to 120-125 seats.

2. Mulayam : After all minority appeasement, he will also bear the burnt of OBC backlash due to reduction in Quota share of other casts. He is the one who is wholeheartedly backing Muslim Sub Quota. Besides, Mulayam's Gundai is still in the people's memory. He will not be the sole beneficiary of Mayawati's Anti-incumbancy.

3. Congress: With all this Muslim Sub quota backlash and unsure brahman voter, backlash against UPA governance issues. I doubt its tally will go beyond 50, come what may.

4. BJP: Projection of OBC leaders like Uma Bharati, the only party against muslim reservation. Will it get some benefit of its unique position??

So, as per my observation, MMB will be around 100 seats each (Mayawati, Mulayam above100, BJP sub100). Congress will be distant 4th.

I do not belong to UP and do not know any earthy reality. UP Guys, please suggest.
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the govt. would be
either bsp+bjp
or sp+cong+rld

not any one party goona make govt.. thats for sure
 
Oh La La..Ooh Lala..:)

1. UP Assembly Election 2012: Union steel minister Beni Prasad Verma booing bad omen for Congress​

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ad-omen-for-congress/articleshow/11735852.cms

& Mind you, if Times group has published this news about Beni, that it must be really BIG. Had it been small, Establishment sympathiser times group would have kept it under wraps!

2. देखें: किस कदर फ्लॉप हुआ राहुल गांधी का बुंदेलखंड दौरा

http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/65841/12/4

So, two main strategic moves by Congress viz. Bundelkhand (Weavers' Packagae) and Beni as OBC mascot seem to be crumbling!! Let's wait and watch!
 
piush_tomar said:
I may be wrong but I think RLD is not going to win more than 3 to 5 seats in UP. This is the current ground reality.
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Piyush

Wish due respect. I think you are 100% wrong. RLD will definately get more than 3 to 5 seats. I would also like know why you hate Ajit Singh and RLD so much. It seems like have something personal against him. Can you please share with us.

Thanks

Sanjeev
 
hahahha bhai theek keh hai..... arr pher yashpal malik mayawati kaa samarthan leke sarkar banata hoga....... kyun har tame bawli baat kare jawe hai..........
piush_tomar said:
I may be wrong but I think RLD is not going to win more than 3 to 5 seats in UP. This is the current ground reality.
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hi

ch. charan singh amar rahe..............mulayam singh yadav zindabad...........bhaiyo sarkar S.P ki hi banegi..........i m damn sure..........

so all my jat brothers should support S.P AND NOT CONGRESS(anti-jat)............
 
Amit bhai yeh to baat tik hai ki goverment BSP ki nahi aani is bar.

Lekin yeh bhi sach hai ki SP kai raaj mai crime,violence & corrruption kai alawa janta ko kuch nahi mila.UP public has seen that earlier,no need to explain that.

SP's condition is not like that it will be able to form the goverment on its own.

As per my estimate the number of seats which SP will get in the lection will be equal or +15-20 to the seats which the alliance of congress & RLD alliance will get. So the SP wont be able to act like a ruler which was the case last time when there was the govt of SP in the state.

As far as RLD is concerned,defiantely this time ,it will perfrom much better as the Anuradha choudhary is out of party.Is anuradha nai he party ka naas kiya hua tha................
Ab Ajit singh apne ladke kai kahe par chal raha hai aur apne dimag sai kaam........................

Jayant choudhary has many features of his grandfather...................................Ch. Charan singh............

SP will never want the formation of Western UP .........................He is a typical purabia.........................

JAAT HUMSEHA SAI AJIT SINGH KAI SAAT HAI NA KI ANURADHA CHOUDHARY KAI SAAT.........................
 
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