Let's Discuss UP Election: Opinions, Exits: Haathi, Haath, Kamal Aur Cycle!

Yaha kaun sa bhai aisa hai jo Ajit singh ki guarantee le raha hai? that he will remain stick with congress after the Uttar Pradesh election? Here is the recent detail of Ajit singh: रालोद ने वर्ष 2002 में विस व 2009 में लोस चुनाव भाजपा के साथ मिलकर लड़ा। सपा से हाथ मिलाकर लोस चुनाव 2004 लड़ा और अब विस चुनाव कांग्रेस के साथ मिलकर लड़ा जा रहा है।
Why not jats directly go to SP, BJP or BSP?
 
Piyush Bhai

Nobody here is trying to defend Ajit. As far as doing alliance with different parties are concerned. All big parties have done the same thing what Ajit is doing. At onetime Mayawati did alliance with BJP and Mulayam did with congress. Mulayam brought Kalyan Singh into his party and then Kalyan was thrown out. Mayawati was ready to do alliance with Ajit during Nuclear deal. The question of alliance cannot be used as a weapon against Ajit. If bigger parties are doing it than why only this question is a credibility issue for Ajit.

Also you have not answered my question I asked you few days ago that why are you so much against Ajit. Criticism is a very important right and we should do it but you sometime you get personal in regards to Ajit. It seems like you have a personal problem with Ajit. Can you please share it with us.

Thanks

Sanjeev
 
amit kumar nuu bataa 18% zeyada howee hee ke 82%...non jats chahee koi c bhi cast ho jaato se jalti hai...jaat cm sirf jaat dekhna chahte hai aur koi caste jaat cm nahi dekhna chahti..
 
Nothing Personnel, its all different view of different person, Like you have differnt view. :). Ajit Singhji is honorable Member of Parliament and have been cabinet minister several times and overall only Jat leader from Uttar Pradesh, Community respect him lot same I respect him but like other member of jat community I dont support his way of politics.
 
cutejaatsandeep said:
amit kumar nuu bataa 18% zeyada howee hee ke 82%...non jats chahee koi c bhi cast ho jaato se jalti hai...jaat cm sirf jaat dekhna chahte hai aur koi caste jaat cm nahi dekhna chahti..
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sandeep sherawat ji @ jab 10% yadav mulayam singh ko 4 bar cm bana sakte hai to kya 18 % jat ek cm nahi banwa sakte?????......aur jaise aap rajasthan mein bata rahe hai ki jatton se sab chid te hai.....to aise hi yadavo se sab cast chidti hai khaskar hum jat aur bhramin....fir bhi wo c.m banta hai aur bane wala hai kyun?????......
 
piush_tomar said:
Nothing Personnel, its all different view of different person, Like you have differnt view. :). Ajit Singhji is honorable Member of Parliament and have been cabinet minister several times and overall only Jat leader from Uttar Pradesh, Community respect him lot same I respect him but like other member of jat community I dont support his way of politics.
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i too agree with piyush........in our area also tajveer singh(jat)is opposing ajit singh coz he is nothing lyk his father.....
http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/local/uttarpradesh/4_1_8889143.html
jats of bulandshahr r not entirely with rld.................
 
amitkumar98 said:
sandeep sherawat ji @ jab 10% yadav mulayam singh ko 4 bar cm bana sakte hai to kya 18 % jat ek cm nahi banwa sakte?????......aur jaise aap rajasthan mein bata rahe hai ki jatton se sab chid te hai.....to aise hi yadavo se sab cast chidti hai khaskar hum jat aur bhramin....fir bhi wo c.m banta hai aur bane wala hai kyun?????......
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Bhai Amit pehle to tumhe Upendra singh kai comment par dyan dehna chaie.SP mai jitne yadav MLA hote hai usse jyada to Muslims hote hai.Mulayam ka bus chale to Muslims kai jute chappal saaf kar lai.In SP goverment ,Musims kai dimag kuch jyada he kharab rehte hai ,isme koi do raye nahi.SP govt kewal Yadavs kai base par kabhi nahi bani.It was always a combination of Muslims,yadavs,thakurs due to Amar singh..................In today's scenario,Muslims vote will be divided among all parties except BJP.yadavs will definately go to SP.Thakurs will go to either BJP or any party from which their community candidate is standing.

Mayawai bale he SC ho ,magar he to Hindu he............aur kaam sai kaam Western UP ki hai...................Mayawati kai raaj mai development hua,crime rate kaam hua aur bhi kayi ache kaam hue.Bhai koi bhi party ho apne ghar to har koi barti hai.............jis kisi ko moka milta hai chodtha koi nahi..............

Jaise ki upar Rakka bhai na kaha ki hume RLD+Congress aliance ko majboot karna chaie taki dono parties SP & BSP akele apne daam par sarkar na bana paye.This time even the jaats of Western UP are in mood to give vote to Congress+RLD alliance even if the jat candidate is standing from any other party.

Amit bhai tumhe rajasthan kai liye itna pareshan anhi hona chaie,kyoki Rajasthan mai aaj kai time mai jaat sabse achi condition mai hai.Jaats poppulation is i think 20-22 %.They are in good number in Rajasthan.i think 45 MLA & 8 MP's.If u want ,we can even give the list of MLA's & MP's.Jaats have done a lots of progress in Rajasthan.
 
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amit kumar lemme tel u duniyaa unseee jalti hai jinsee woo aage nahi nikal pati jaise ki jaat har field mai number one hai to sab jaato se jalte hai...yadavo se koi nahi jaltaa....dooosri baat aur bataoo tujhe kabhi delhi aaiyoo..yaha delhi mai aadee log yadavo ko jaat samajhte hai..tu jaat n yadavo ka comparsion kaha se kar raha hai....jaat number thaa hai aur rahegaa...koi hmarii pooch na paad saakeee.....up wale yadav cm bana sakte hai but jat ko kabhi nahi baane deengee...
 
piush_tomar said:
Nothing Personnel, its all different view of different person, Like you have differnt view. :). Ajit Singhji is honorable Member of Parliament and have been cabinet minister several times and overall only Jat leader from Uttar Pradesh, Community respect him lot same I respect him but like other member of jat community I dont support his way of politics.
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bhai up main caste-politics at its best hoti hai..to ye to bhul hi jao ki rld party pure state main kuch kar sakti hai ..best option ajit k paas yahi hai ki vo govt k ander kaise bhi jagah banaye or jaato or west up ka bhale k liye kuch koshish kar sake....agar vo kisi ik party k sath permanent allaince banayega to usko vote dene ka jato ko koi phaydda nahi hoga or dheere dheere uski party hi khatam ho jayegi..to ajit k liye ye kehna ki vo baar baar alliance change karta hai isliye vo bekar politicon hai,aisa kehna galat hai
that is the only option for him..up k jato ko united reh kar rld ko majboot banaye rakhna chahiye taki koi badi party jab alliance kar k govt banye to usme rld phayda utha sake..isi ko politics kehtain hain
jaton ka dusri parties main bant jane se jato ka kuch bhala nahi hone wala...agar rld govt main rehti hai to vo govt par pressure daal kar west up k kisano ka kuch bhala karva sakta hai..
 
piush_tomar said:
Yaha kaun sa bhai aisa hai jo Ajit singh ki guarantee le raha hai? that he will remain stick with congress after the Uttar Pradesh election? Here is the recent detail of Ajit singh: रालोद ने वर्ष 2002 में विस व 2009 में लोस चुनाव भाजपा के साथ मिलकर लड़ा। सपा से हाथ मिलाकर लोस चुनाव 2004 लड़ा और अब विस चुनाव कांग्रेस के साथ मिलकर लड़ा जा रहा है।
Why not jats directly go to SP, BJP or BSP?
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bhai direct sp,bjp main jane se kon sa bhala ho jayega..jato ka..
aaj ki date main rld ko jat vote bank vali party jana jata hai isiliye kam se kam up k ik jaat(ajit) ko to center main ministry mili hai..alag alag parties main baant jayenge to up main jaat kahin k nahi rahenge..up main politcs progress issues based nahi hoti..ki achi progressive party ko support karna shuru kar diya
jaye...
up main jaat minorty main hain or jato ko aise mahol main united hi rehna chahiye taki apne chote se vote bank ka kuch to significance rakh sakein..
 
amitkumar98 said:
teotia@ sahab congress and rld are fighting and askin 4 votes against mayawati....aur fir usi ko support karenge haan????....
accn to me it will be sp+cong or sp+rld ......

and i too very well know tht we jats are suppresed and are at disadvantage in rajasthan and up....if we are 18 % in rajasthan thn how come we dont hv our chief minister in rajasthan since independence????....bolo???
same case is in up..........
i also feel bad bout such supression of jats by rajputs but thats reality..........
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mere bhai election se pehle kon kis k against vot mang rha hai iska electin result k baad banne vale aaliance se koi lena dena nahi hota...

and plz tell me aapko aisa kyon lagta hai ki up main jats are suppressed..jhan tak main janta hoon west up main jaat hi sabko suppres karte hain...

west up ko jaat dominated area mana jata hai ,everyhow socially/econmically..we r above than thakurs and yadavs..to phir hamain suprees kon rha hai...
 
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KuldeepTeotia said:
mere bhai election se pehle kon kis k against vot mang rha hai iska electin result k baad banne vale aaliance se koi lena dena nahi hota...

and plz tell me aapko aisa kyon lagta hai ki up main jats are suppressed..jhan tak main janta hoon west up main jaat hi sabko suppres karte hain...

west up ko jaat dominated area mana jata hai ,everyhow socially/econmically..we r above than thakurs and yadavs..to phir hamain suprees kon rha hai...
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we dont dominate western up but muslims does...we only hv 12 mla
rajputs are above us in every field ....but yeah we dominate yadav and gujjars.....

ashish bhai@ if jats are 20-25% thn how come we never had a single jat c.m until now?????????

sandeep@ u said yadavs are considerd to be jats by other caste....thts may be coz gujjars and yadavs also used term chaudhary as we do........
 
amitkumar98 said:
we dont dominate western up but muslims does...we only hv 12 mla
rajputs are above us in every field ....but yeah we dominate yadav and gujjars.....

ashish bhai@ if jats are 20-25% thn how come we never had a single jat c.m until now?????????

sandeep@ u said yadavs are considerd to be jats by other caste....thts may be coz gujjars and yadavs also used term chaudhary as we do........
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mere dost domination se mera matlab population nahi social domination hai..."ilake main dhaak kiski mani jati hai" musalmaan to riksha chalakar,bidi pan ki dukaan laga kar roji roti kamate hai..

and jats have much better financial condition than of rajputs in up(i m talking of avg per/person)..
jat labour ka kaam to nahi karte at least..up k thakur dilli main aakar labour ka kaam karte hain....
west up main sabse jyada thekedaar jat hi hain..(thakurs are a lost story in todays date, jats are in a much better condition than them)
west up ki sari badi jameendar/numberdaar families jaaton ki hi rahin hain na ki thakuron ki...

west up choudhriyon(jats) k liye or unki progress k liye jana jata hai na ki thakuron/khaan/yadavon k liye...

east up/bihar main to bhuke mar rhe aaj thakur ..how can u say rajputs r better than us in every field....
fields to thakuron k paas bhi hote hain east up main lekin unko kheti baadi karne main sharm aati hai isliye delli main aakar labour ka kaam karte hain..

and aajkal gujjar bhi choudhary surname use karne lage hain kyonki jats are considered to be much better community than them..isliye vo jaton ka hi surname use karne lage hain..
 
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KuldeepTeotia said:
mere dost domination se mera matlab population nahi social domination hai..."ilake main dhaak kiski mani jati hai" musalmaan to riksha chalakar,bidi pan ki dukaan laga kar roji roti kamate hai..

and jats have much better financial condition than of rajputs in up(i m talking of avg per/person)..
jat labour ka kaam to nahi karte at least..up k thakur dilli main aakar labour ka kaam karte hain....
west up main sabse jyada thekedaar jat hi hain..(thakurs are a lost story in todays date, jats are in a much better condition than them)
west up ki sari badi jameendar/numberdaar families jaaton ki hi rahin hain na ki thakuron ki...

west up choudhriyon(jats) k liye or unki progress k liye jana jata hai na ki thakuron/khaan/yadavon k liye...

east up/bihar main to bhuke mar rhe aaj thakur ..how can u say rajputs r better than us in every field....
fields to thakuron k paas bhi hote hain east up main lekin unko kheti baadi karne main sharm aati hai isliye delli main aakar labour ka kaam karte hain..

and aajkal gujjar bhi choudhary surname use karne lage hain kyonki jats are considered to be much better community than them..isliye vo jaton ka hi surname use karne lage hain..
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@ I WAS not talkin bout rajputs of western up but of rajasthan.......btwn kya fark padta hai.....gareeb insan to har caste main hote hai be it any caste.............nd truth is no work is small if u r not ashamed of it............

btwn let me tell u there is nothing jats hv more land than thakurs ,yadav and gujjars........jab inke gaon alag alag hote hai to obviously zameen apne gaon mein to hi hogi......mere gaon mein hi kuch jatto bhaio ke pass 60-60 bigha zameen hai aur kuch ke pass 5-10 bigha aur kuch ke pass nil........mere gaon shekpur ke pass ek gaon hai jisme yadav aur gujjar rehte hai....usme dekhne se pata chalta hai ki hum jats are neither dominating financially nor politically........unke pass hum se jyada zameen hai unke bachhe btech doctory kar rahe hai and hum crpf/bsf ke liye coaching kar rahe hai....
so thing is i dont find any such domination at ground level............may be coz we are politically absent.....govt school/colg mein gujjaro ke londo ki chalti hai...and i mnot lying but thats reality.....
i remember how jats of one village called shuklalpur were beaten by combination of gujjars and yadavs during the polling of gram panchayat......to bhai hum dominant kaha reh gaye????
 
amitkumar98 said:
and yashpal malik is spreading hatrate among jats,he should be ostracized ; just hv a look at this link............http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/local/uttarpradesh/4_1_8893531.html..............
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This is what is written in the link, which of these words spreads hatred amongst Jats, please point out. Also, i could not locate a single word in this which is NOT true.? Muslims got reservation without asking for it. Congress is ready to do anything to give reservation at platter to Muslims, even though, it is not allowed by constitution. Whereas in case of Jat reservation, they have to just announce it or setup an "enabling" committee which can endorse this.

बुलंदशहर : अखिल भारतीय जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति के राष्ट्रीय अध्यक्ष यशपाल मलिक ने जाट आरक्षण के मामले में कांग्रेस व रालोद पर धोखाधड़ी का आरोप लगाया है। उन्होंने अभियान के तहत सूबे के 19 जिले की 117 विधानसभा सीटों पर कांग्रेस-रालोद गठबंधन के प्रत्याशियों को सबक सिखाने की घोषणा की।यशपाल मलिक सोमवार को पत्रकारों से बातचीत कर रहे थे। उन्होंने जाट आरक्षण को लेकर कांग्रेस और रालोद पर जमकर हमला किया। कहा कि अब कांग्रेस एवं रालोद के यूपी 2012 मिशन को झटका देने का समय आ गया है। समिति गत 8 फरवरी से आगामी 3 मार्च तक विशेष अभियान चला रही है। इस दौरान प्रदेश के 19 जिलों के 117 विधानसभा क्षेत्रों में पहुंचेंगे और बिरादरी के लोगों को हक के लिए रालोद-कांग्रेस गठबंधन प्रत्याशियों को सबक सिखाने की अलख जगाएंगे।श्री मलिक ने कहा कि कांग्रेस अपने मंसूबों को हासिल करने के लिए उत्तर प्रदेश के चुनाव में जाट नेताओं को स्टार प्रचारक के रूप में पेश कर रही है। हरियाणा के सांसद दीपेंद्र हुड्डा जाट मतदाताओं को रिझाने के लिए प्रदेश भर में दौरा कर रहे हैं। बुलंदशहर में मंगलवार को आएंगे, लेकिन कोई दीपेंद्र हुड्डा से पूछे कि हरियाण के मुख्यमंत्री रहते हुए उनके पिता ने जाटों को आरक्षण क्यों नहीं दिया?​
 
amit kumarr pehle to yoo bata kee jat community ki population zeyada hai ya muslim religion zeyada bada hai...tu eek community ko eek religion se kaise comparee kar raha hai..compare karna hai to hindu n muslim mlas n mps ko kar pher bata chalega kiske kitne hai...bhai maane na beraa tu kit rehh hee....but jadee bhi reh hee tu jaroor yadav n gujjaro se pitaa hogaa...gujjar n yadav to jaat se compare karna hi sabse badi bewkaffi hai....tu bata kitne yadav gujjar army mai hai as compared to jaats...kitne yadav gujjaro ne olympic mai medal jeete hai as compared to jaats....doosri baat eek incident hua hoga jaha jaat pitee bhi hongee to usse ye kaise bol diya taane ke jaat gujjar n yadavo se dabte hai...faridabad mai 1month pehle jaato ne gujjaro ko bhagaa bhaga ke maaraa tha...to bhai kuch bolannn se pehlaaa sooch liya kar..
 
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amit kumarr pehle to yoo bata kee jat community ki population zeyada hai ya muslim religion zeyada bada hai...tu eek community ko eek religion se kaise comparee kar raha hai..compare karna hai to hindu n muslim mlas n mps ko kar pher bata chalega kiske kitne hai...bhai maane na beraa tu kit rehh hee....but jadee bhi reh hee tu jaroor yadav n gujjaro se pitaa hogaa...gujjar n yadav to jaat se compare karna hi sabse badi bewkaffi hai....tu bata kitne yadav gujjar army mai hai as compared to jaats...kitne yadav gujjaro ne olympic mai medal jeete hai as compared to jaats....doosri baat eek incident hua hoga jaha jaat pitee bhi hongee to usse ye kaise bol diya taane ke jaat gujjar n yadavo se dabte hai...faridabad mai 1month pehle jaato ne gujjaro ko bhagaa bhaga ke maaraa tha...to bhai kuch bolannn se pehlaaa sooch liya kar..
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bhai mujhe apni biradri ki jhuti badai na suni......yeh baat tum mano ya na mano magar gujjar aur yadav hum se takat ke mamle mein barabar.......agar yakeen nahi hota to aap sikandrabad aakar dekho.....yaha ke degree colg ka naam jss hai yaha par gujjaro ke ladko ka itna dabdaba hai ki beech sehar mein rehne wale muslman bhi unke naam se darte hai.....jo such hai use mein chupana nahi chahta.....u tell me yadav aur gujjar humse kis cheez mein kum hai??????.........physicaly???...they are same.....kisan hum bhi hai wo bhi....backward hum bhi hai wo bhi...gaon mein hum bhi rehte hai aur wo bhi......????....kis cheez ka domination?????? humari biradri mein 30-35 saal ke kuware ladke ghum rahe hai ,koi riste hi nahi hai.......yadav aur gujjaro ke laundo ki shadi 25 saal maximum mein ho jati hai aur humare yaha ab tak jaha motercycle milti hai wahi unki shaadi mein 3 series/pazero mil rahi hai......
 
amit kumar thoda tv dekh liya kar....tv dekhna zaroori hai aajkal..tv gyaan bhi deta hai...ab meri baatein dhyaan se suniyoo..kitne gujjar yadav bollywood mai hai bata mujhe...kitne gujjar yadav defence mai hai bata mujhe.....kitne yadav gujjar pehalwan hai..kitne yadav gujjar boxer hai bata mujhe..kitne yadav gujjar modelling mai hai bata de mujhe...tu to bhai ghana ee tagda supporter see gujjar ahiraa kaa.....tere jisse jaat se jo mhari kaum ko badnaam karwate hai.....gujjar yadav to haryane mai bhi see oddee to kuch naa kendee....yadav gujjar physicaaly hum jaise hotee to sushil kumar n vijender beniwal ki jagahh kissi yadav n gujjar ko olympic medal miltaa got it....doosori baat aur sun..jaha tak baat rahi 3seris n pazero to bhai meree sath haryana chaliyee taanee mai issi issi jaata kaa byaah dekhungaa pherr to mharii hoddd karnaa bhool jagaa inn gujjar yadav tee
 
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