Let's Discuss UP Election: Opinions, Exits: Haathi, Haath, Kamal Aur Cycle!

Friends

I would request everybody not to pay attention to the ridiculous reasons and comments posted by Amit Kumar. Amit you are intellectually bankrupt. Any discussion with you is a waste of time.

I am from distt Bulandshahar and my village is Khandoi near Unchagaon. My mama village is baral and they are tewatia. Bulandshahar have 5 to 6 MLA seats. 4 seats are dominated by Jats. None of them have gujjar votes more than five thousand. Forget about Gujjars, Nobody can look into the eyes of Jats in the Distt. Gujjar have ZERO presence in Bulandshahar. Bulandshahar have produced Gangsters like Jatan Sirohi. He was the most Dangerous and Brutal gangster in the History of Western UP. All Gangsters were hiding in holes or were reporting him while he was alive. Your so called Gujjars warriors were also paying extortion money to him.

If Amit is so obsessed by Gujjar than my advice is that he should banned out at this forum.

Thanks

Sanjeev
 
ashishsehrawat9 said:
Bhai Amit,mai bhi tujhe kuch batata hu ..............................Yeh jo information gujjaro ki site sai uthai hai usme bhot kamia hai.You can not say that if the MLA of any area is SC or Muslims ,it will be that community dominated.

Muzzafarnagar mai MP Muslims hai pichle 5 saal sai,is tarike sai Muzzafarnagar mai Muslim raj hona chaie........................kyo sir kya kehte ho ?????????????kaam sai kaam 50 seats reserved hai UP mai ,to fir to bhai SC's na jine dege kisi aur ko................

Dusri baat is list mai bhot sai distrcit western UP mai count nahi hote.Their names are Etah,Kashiramnagar,Firozabad,Mainpuri.Which distrcits you are placing in Muradabad region .please tell their names first..................

Badaun & sahajanpur were never considered in western UP ...............Please give me the link of any authorised site or news channel where you have read these distrcits in western UP(not the **** of gujjar site).I would like to see that.

I will forward you the list of districts of western UP which was proposed 1st time when the demand was raised for Harit Pradesh.

Bhai tu dominancy sai kya matalab samatha hai..............Tujhe patha hai Westernn UP mai abhi piche ak rough figures diye gaye thai jisme ak rough idea diya gaya tha different communities ki poppulation ka,vo yeh tha(Main 3 communities)

Muslims-30-32 %

SC -24-26 %

Jaats-18-20 %.

Ab agar dekha jaye to poppulation kai isab sai Muslims ka raaj aana chaie ,lekin yaha par tum yeh bhul gaye ki kitne mulle riksah chalate hai ,kitne thele chalate hai.in par khane ki 2 time ki roti to hoti nahi ,inka education level dekha hai kaha stand karta hai................

Sc's are also much depressed in the society.We should not do wrong with them.Atleast they are our Hindu bro's.

Baki bacthe ahi jaat.Unka status batane ki jarurat nahi...........Bhai yeh ho saktha hai ki tere Bulandsahar mai jaato par gujjar or yadav hawi ho jate hoge......................
Magar meeut-Muzzafarnagar belt mai faltu kabhi nahi bote kaam sai kaam jaato kai samne........................
Social dominancy aur poppulation dono alag alag chije hai.............................

Kabhi kisi gujjar sai pucha hai ki agar yeh itne great hai to RLD sai ticket kyo lehte hai?Why Madan bhia from Loni & Kartar singh bhadana from Khatauli are fighting under the banner of RLD?????????????????????Patha hai na salo ko jamanat bhi jabt ho gaygi salo ki...........

Bhai tune upar kaha tha kiSatish chandra Mishra nai sarkar chalie hai 5 saal.Mishra ji ki Bhen ji band kamre mai pitayi karwayi thi ab tujhe bata du mai ak panga kiya tha Mishra ji nai............
Sahyad tujhe Shashank shekhar kai bare mai nahi patha abhi.His village is nearer to my village in Muzzafarnagar.He is the cabinet secretary of the BSP govt.Cabinet secretary samaj tha he na bhai mere...................
Cabinet secretary should always be an IAS/IPS rank officer but he is not.CM can appoint 1-2 officers as IAS/IPS ranked officer as the part of his power.Mayawati has done the same.............Kya kehte ho sir??????????????????Koi gujjar ya yadav kyo nahi banya cabinet secretary????????????
Mere bhai kisi ki baato mai na aakar ground reality par aakar dekh.chal tu sari bate chod dai ............Mai yeh bhi nahi katha ki jaat upar hai or gujjar ya yadav.............

Ak baar pura tino caste ka social culture,educational level,political infulence jaise ki upendra bhai par nai bataya,Sports,govt jobs mai dekh kaun aage hai ,uske baad decide kar kaun aage hai aur kaun piche....................................

Tu sirf vo he jabnta hai jo tere dost tujhe batate hai...........................
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ashish bhai here is a link to clarify ur doubt bout western up , apka sara doubt clear ho jayga......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Uttar_Pradesh
isme jana aur administrive division mein jayega....i think u hv a very less knowledge regardin the geographical area........
 
rajoura said:
Friends

I would request everybody not to pay attention to the ridiculous reasons and comments posted by Amit Kumar. Amit you are intellectually bankrupt. Any discussion with you is a waste of time.

I am from distt Bulandshahar and my village is Khandoi near Unchagaon. My mama village is baral and they are tewatia. Bulandshahar have 5 to 6 MLA seats. 4 seats are dominated by Jats. None of them have gujjar votes more than five thousand. Forget about Gujjars, Nobody can look into the eyes of Jats in the Distt. Gujjar have ZERO presence in Bulandshahar. Bulandshahar have produced Gangsters like Jatan Sirohi. He was the most Dangerous and Brutal gangster in the History of Western UP. All Gangsters were hiding in holes or were reporting him while he was alive. Your so called Gujjars warriors were also paying extortion money to him.

If Amit is so obsessed by Gujjar than my advice is that he should banned out at this forum.

Thanks

Sanjeev
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rajoura mein sikandrabad ka hoon....here gujjars hv a better hold coz they out number us...iska matlab yeh nahi hai ki i hate my community.....i m pure jat .....expressing my view is not a crime if u dont feel like replyin thn who ask u to pay heed to tht.....
 
अब ये तो समझ में आ गया कि पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश को क्यों जाटलैंड कहा जाता है. अब ये पूरी तरह से स्पष्ट हो गया कि पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश निःसंदेह जाटों के दबदबे वाला क्षेत्र है. पिछले पेज पर एक पोस्ट में विधायकों की संख्या के हिसाब से दबदबा तय करने का प्रयास किया गया है. इन आंकड़ों में दिलचस्प बात यह है कि जितने विधायक मुस्लिम (28) हैं, लगभग उतने ही दलित (26) हैं. ऐसे तो अगर इन चुनावों में पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में दलित विधायक मुस्लिमों से ज्यादा हो गए तो फिर यह क्षेत्र दलितों के दबदबे वाला क्षेत्र हो जाएगा. हा...हा...हा...बहुत खूब...मजा आ गया. वैसे असली पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश इस प्रस्तावित पश्चिम प्रदेश को भी आधा-आधा बांटने से बनेगा और उसमें जाट बहुत मजबूत स्थिति में होंगे. आखिरकार सूबे में 1 करोड़ से भी ज्यादा जाट रहते हैं.
भारत में जाटों, मराठों, राजपूतों की तुलना में दलितों का % कहीं ज्यादा है (एक बार एक दलित नेता टी.वी. पर बता रहा था कि भारत में लगभग 20 % दलित हैं)...तो फिर तो भारत में दलित सबसे बड़े क्षत्रप हैं और यहां उन्हीं की चलती होगी...इस तरह से देखा जाए तो अधिकतर सूबों में दलित विधायक राजपूतों, यादवों, ब्राह्मणों, मराठों और जाटों से शर्तिया कहीं ज्यादा होते होंगे संख्या में, क्योंकि उनके लिए तो काफी सीटें आरक्षित भी होती हैं. तो फिर तो देश में दलित राज होगा...लेकिन क्या सचमुच ऐसा है? ऐसा है तो वे क्यों दबे-कुचले हैं, क्यों वे जुल्म का शिकार हैं? क्यों उनमें कोई नामी खिलाड़ी नहीं होता? क्यों उनमें कोई धनकुबेर नहीं होता? क्यों वे लुटे-पिटे से दिखते हैं?
हुम्म...तो ये बात है. किसी कंपनी में यदि कोई मजदूर आंख दिखाए तो उसे फ़ौरन नौकरी से निकाल दिया जाएगा, क्योंकि उसके जैसे और बहुत से मिल जाएंगे, लेकिन किसी ऐसे टेक्नीशियन को नहीं निकाला जाएगा, जिसके जाने से काम ही रुक जाए. ठीक वही बात यहां लागू होती है. जाटों की फ़ौज में अपनी रेजिमेंट है. जाटों के पास धन है, ताकत है. जाट मेहनती किसान हैं, खेती करके देश के लिए खाद्यान्न उपजाते हैं. जाट लड़ने-मरने से भी नहीं डरते. वो किसी की जान लेने में बस थोड़ी सी ही देर लगाते हैं. जाटों को जो दुःख पहुंचाने की कोशिश करेगा तो हलचल फ़ौज में भी मचेगी और राजनीतिक गलियारों में भी. आखिर ऐसे बढ़िया लोगों को मामूली मुसलमान या और कोई परेशान करेगा तो फिर राज्य का मुख्यमंत्री, देश का प्रधानमंत्री कैसे आंख मूंदकर तमाशा देख सकता है? यदि वे ऐसा करते हैं तो एक नई समस्या खड़ी हो जाएगी...गृहयुद्ध की. जाट देश की एक बहुत बड़ी ताकत हैं. आखिर यहां जाटों को मामूली और कमीने लोग परेशान कर रहे हैं और उधर हमारे जाट फौजी बैठकर तमाशा देख रहे हैं...ऐसा कैसे हो सकता है? भट्ठा-परसौल में मनवीर सिंह तेवतिया के नेतृत्व में बहुत सारा धन इकठ्ठा किया गया था, फिर उस धन से हथियार खरीदे गए थे और फिर एक संगठित हमला बोला गया था (यह और बात है कि जिन सुरक्षा बलों पर हमला बोला गया, वे भी बहुत से जाट ही थे). जब मुस्लिम या कोई और कमीने लोग पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में जाटों को नीचा दिखाने का प्रयास करेंगे तो फिर धन इकठ्ठा किया जाएगा और फिर संगठित हमला किया जाएगा. उसमें जाट सब पर भारी पड़ेंगे, क्योंकि इस क्षेत्र में अधिकतर मुस्लिम इतने गरीब हैं कि उनके लिए 4-5 हजार रुपए का एक कट्टा और 100-150 रुपए का एक कारतूस खरीदना भी एक बहुत बड़ी बात होगी, जबकि जाटों के पास पहले ही खूब सारे हथियार हैं. ऐसे में दूसरे जाट बहुल क्षेत्रों तक भी खबर पहुंचेगी तो दुश्मन वैसे ही घुटने टेक देगा. इस नजरिये से देखा जाए तो पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश बिल्कुल जाटों के राज वाला क्षेत्र है. इस क्षेत्र का नाम आते ही यदि कोई बड़ा नेता ध्यान आता है तो वो चौ. चरण सिंह या महेंद्र सिंह टिकैत हैं. वर्तमान में अजित सिंह है. चाहे वो भट्ठा-परसौल कांड का सूत्रधार मनवीर सिंह तेवतिया हो, धन कुबेर के. पी. सिंह हो, क्रिकेटर प्रवीण कुमार हो, पहलवान राजीव तोमर, शूटर सीमा तोमर हो, फ़िल्मी कलाकार सुशांत सिंह, चित्रांगदा सिंह, युविका चौधरी हो, मॉडल प्रवेश राणा हो, वे सभी जाट हैं. इस क्षेत्र से जो अधिकतर जानी-मानी हस्तियां निकली हैं, वे सभी जाट हैं. इससे साबित होता है कि यह क्षेत्र जाटों के प्रभाव वाला है. यहां का जाट सक्षम है. यदि यह क्षेत्र मुस्लिमों के दबदबे वाला है तो फिर इस क्षेत्र का नाम सामने आते ही मुस्लिम हस्तियों के चेहरे क्यों नजर के सामने नहीं दौड़ने लगते? क्यों कोई मुसलमान सूबे का मुख्यमंत्री नहीं बना? क्यों 1987 के मेरठ दंगों में असंख्य मुसलमानों की लाशें हिंडन नदी में तैरती नजर आई थीं? इससे पहले भी इस क्षेत्र में कई बार बड़े पैमाने पर मुसलमान काटा गया है.
सारी बात का लब्बो-लुआब यह निकलता है कि आजकल देश और दुनिया में जो शांति का दौर चल रहा है और देश में जो लोकतंत्र है, उसमें कोई भले ही अपनी संख्या ज्यादा होने पर इतराता रहे, लेकिन इसका मतलब यह नहीं है कि वो बादशाह हो गया. संख्या के साथ-साथ आर्थिक ताकत, बहादुरी और एकता भी मायने रखती है. उस नजरिये से पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश को जाट बहुल क्षेत्र कहा जाता है तो बिल्कुल ठीक कहा जाता है.
 
wah wah maza aa gaya this post is MAGNA CARTA of whole issue award winning analysis . bhai rahul gandhi ko bhi thoda analysis sikha do nahi to ibki election haara to koi shaddi bhi na kare uuste
 
ravinderjeet said:
भाई ,यशपाल मालिक ते अजित सिंह के विरोध में हांगा ला रया स |
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यशपाल मलिक इस बार के विधान सभा चुनाव में जाटों से कांग्रेस व आर.एल.डी के विरुद्ध वोट करने की अपील कर रहे हैं | यशपाल मलिक अपने आप को अजीत सिंह से बड़ा जाट हितेषी बता रहे हैं | माना की अजीत सिंह में कुछ कमिया हैं परन्तु क्या जाट कौम को एक ऐसे इंसान को अपना नेता मानना चाहिए जिस पर धोखाधड़ी के मुक़दमे दर्ज हो , जो अपने ही कौम के लोगो को ढगता हो ? जो जाट कौम के नाम से दलाली करता हो ? चुनाव की घोषणा से पहले जाटों को मायावती को बेचा और अब मुलायम को बेच रहा हैं , क्या प्रदेश के जाट इतने बिकाऊ हैं जो इसके कहने से बिक जायेंगे ? इसने जाट कौम के नाम से फेसबुक पर '' जाट रिजर्वेशन '' , ''अखिल भारतीय जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति '' आदि प्रोफाइल बना रखी हैं , जिस पर इसने सिर्फ अपने खुद के फोटो लगाने पर जोर दे रखा हैं , ऐसा लगता हैं की इन फोटुओ के द्वारा अपने आप को चौ.चरण सिंह से भी बड़ा जाट नेता घोषित कर रखा हैं | अगर यह इंसान खुद के नाम की प्रोफाइल पर अपनी फोटो लगाता तो समझ आता हैं पर जाति के नाम की प्रोफाइल पर भी सिर्फ खुद की फोटो , यह बात समझ से परे हैं ? इन फोटुओ से क्या यह अपने आप को अब तक हुए महान जाटों से भी महान सिद्ध करना चाहता हैं ?
यशपाल मलिक के खिलाफ दर्ज हुए एक मामले की अखबार में छपी खबर .....
http://www.bhaskar.com/article/UP-jat-leader-yashpal-malik-accused-of-fraud-2520434.html
मेरठ/गाजियाबाद। केंद्र सरकार से जाट आरक्षण की मांग कर रहे यशपाल मलिक धोखाधड़ी के आरोप में घिर गए हैं। एक व्यक्ति ने गाजियाबाद की वसुंधरा कालोनी में फ्लैट देने के नाम पर यशपाल मलिक पर लाखों रुपये की धोखाधड़ी करने का आरोप लगाते हुए न्यायालय में गुहार लगाई ह कोर्ट ने थाना सिविल लाइन पुलिस को यशपाल मलिक के खिलाफ रिपोर्ट दर्ज कार्रवाई करने के आदेश दिए हैं। जांच के बाद उनपर कार्यवाही की जा सकती है।

मांढी गाँव की एक घटना जो अखबार में भी छपी थी , वहां पर एक जनसभा करते वक़्त उस गाँव के एक आदमी से पैसे के लेन देन को ले कर यशपाल मलिक से झड़प हुई थी | यहाँ पर यदि कोई मांढी गाँव का हो तो उस घटना के बारे में अच्छी तरह से बता सकता हैं |

इन सबको देखते हुए फिर भी यदि कोई ऐसे आदमी की मानेगा तो फिर जाट कौम का राम ही भला कर सकता हैं |
छाज तो बोले, छालनी भी क्या बोले ...
 
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amitkumar98 said:
my name is amit kumar pawaria from sikandrabad 40 km from delhi.....haryana mein 25-30% jat hai to there are 10% yadav and 5% gujjar bhi to hai....so how can u say all jats only.......as far knowledge is concerned i m not a simpleton......bhai jo aap bologo unse wo mujhe hi bata do mein hi bol dunga.....nd kumaon regiment get most of its recruit from ahirs ...so virtually it is an yadav regiment.....here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumaon_Regiment......
whatever dont mind my words i love my community as u all do....but mujhe bura lagta hai jab yeh gujjar aur yadav ulta sidha bolte rehte hein.........i hate it but cnt help it,aur sara mera frustration yaha nikal ta hai.....if u guys dont want me to post please tell me i wud nvr come on jatland bcz i dont want to bring bad name for my community.....
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amit bhai in yadvo/gujro ki baton se frustate hone ki jarurat nahi aapko...ye batain karne ka alava kuch or kar bhi nahi sakte..
jo yadav ulta boltein hain unse puchna ki inka 15 saal lagatar raj rha bihar main(lalu yadav) batana ik paise ki bhi progress ki ho to bihar ne or inki comunity ne,, bhuke mar rhe hain...aslyit ye hai...haryana or punjab jhaan jaton ka raj chlata hai hamesha.. north india k top 2 state hain..or noida k gujron ke pass ofcourse bhot paisa aa gaya hai aaj or gtb.nagar pura gujron ka hi hai isliye vhaan inki chalti bhi hai lekin iska matlab ye nahi gujar. jaton jitni strong community hai..gujron ki ik bhot badi aabadi aaj bhi kashmir main dhor charane ka hi kaam kartain hain...tum noida ka gujron k paise ya vhan unki aabaadi ko dekhkar soch rahe ho ki gujar ik strong comunity hai aisa nahi hai..noida pura bharat nahi hai..or pure bharat main ydav or gurjar jaton k aage khin bhi competetion main nahi tiktain hain..

or jahan tak bat harit pradesh ki hai vo koi muslim dominated state nahi ho jayega(agar bana to) west up main muslamao ki population thodi jaton se jyada hai lekin hiduon se jyada to nahi hai ..or hinduon main sabse jyada population jaton ki hi hai..

jin gujron ki tumhain lagta hai bhot power hai ya bhot domination.power,paisa hai etc..noida main.. unse ik baar bolna ki baar bagpat jile main round mar k aayein..vo kitnae bade sher hain pata chal jayega..

gujar/yadav jato ki history par sawaal isliye uthateain hain kyonki unke paas apne history to hai hi nahi..vo punjab or mathura/bharatpur k jat hi the jinhone muglaon ka raj khatam kiya or sari chodhrahat cheen li west up/haryana/punjab main..
jinhone is ilake main hindu dharam ko bachaya varna aaj muslamaan hote sab..
bhagat singh..udham singh jaise bharat mata k put jaton ne hi paida kiye hain..
in gujron ko to aaj tak bharat ka naksha bhi nahi pata hota ki hota kaisa hai...
 
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As my knowledge goes, erlier gujjars and yadavs were quite behind jats in all respect discussed above, but today the reality have changed, now yadav have gone ahead of jats due to their hard work and unity, ofcourse gujjars are still lacking behind, Gundagardi is not considered a sign of prosparity or superiority, I personally feel that if jats donot wakeup, even gujjars will overtake us, we cannot survive only on past history, we have to work, donot compare one or two individuals but as a whole community today yadav are batter than jats in education, services and economically, another point is that over all the condition of yadav and gujjars have inproved at batter speed where as jats are moving slow except education,
 
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Fateh said:
As my knowledge goes, erlier gujjars and yadavs were quite behind jats in all respect discussed above, but today the reality have changed, now yadav have gone ahead of jats due to their hard work and unity, ofcourse gujjars are still lacking behind, Gundagardi is considered a sign of prosparity or superiority, I personally feel that if jats donot wakeup, even gujjars will overtake us, we cannot survive only on past history, we have to work, donot compare one or two individuals but as a whole community today yadav are batter than jats in education, services and economically, another point is that over all the condition of yadav and gujjars have inproved at batter speed where as jats are moving slow except education,
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There is no dount in the fact that jats have the best educational & economical status than gujjars & yadavs.could you please tell me how you come to the conclusion that they are ahead than us???????????
In which services jats are lagging behind??????????Every state has different scenarios & political aspetcs due to many factors like poppulation,social domnancy & others.If jaats are lagging in some fields in any particulat state,it doesn't mean that overall they are lagging behind............

It is true that yadavs have more poppulation in comparison to jats.I have read at one place that they have approximately 8-9 % poppulation on the India's poppulation but they lives in the worst areas of India like Bihar,eastern UP,jharkhand etc.Although there are some exceptions like Karnatka.Karnathka is a good state with a good yadav poppulation,correct me if i am wrong............They are in OBC status since a long time.

Please elaborate on which basis you are saying that jats are lagging behind than gujjars & yadavs.............please explain.Everybody has different opinion towards different aspects.
 
amitkumar98 said:
ashish bhai here is a link to clarify ur doubt bout western up , apka sara doubt clear ho jayga......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Uttar_Pradesh
isme jana aur administrive division mein jayega....i think u hv a very less knowledge regardin the geographical area........
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Bhai tu meri knowledge ki tension na lai..........uske liye mai he bhot hu..............

Aise mere pass bhi kayi link hai..................Western UP was supposed to be formed due to a different culture & political aspects than of eastern UP.If any disctrict is nearer to Agra like your Etah,Mainpuri it doesn't mean that it will be included in Western UP.There is no quality of Agriculture,Industries in Etah,Mainpuri.Even their culture is similar to eastern UP.

For your information 3 more districs have been made as prabudha nagar(shamli),Pnchsheel nagar(Hapur) Along with Bhim nagar.Power uske pass hoti hai jiske pass paisa hota hai............aur agar tu bhai yeh sochta hai ki SP kabhi western UP banne degi to bhul ja.

Whole of the Bareilly division can't be added as it is with western UP.RLD-Congress will decide as Congress is in center & they will also be in goverment when it will be decided...Centeral goverment will decide which is to be kept where & that is with RLD now............so no place for SP..................

As per my ideas SP is the worst party of UP.It always favours Muslims & these shits purabia's..................................... If you want to join them,you can but personally i can never join them.

This eastern UP is the burden on us.They dont have agricultural land,industries,social culture is different.So how can we add these Etah,Mainpuri,Shajanpur in western UP ???????????
 
ashishsehrawat9 said:
Bhai tu meri knowledge ki tension na lai..........uske liye mai he bhot hu..............

Aise mere pass bhi kayi link hai..................Western UP was supposed to be formed due to a different culture & political aspects than of eastern UP.If any disctrict is nearer to Agra like your Etah,Mainpuri it doesn't mean that it will be included in Western UP.There is no quality of Agriculture,Industries in Etah,Mainpuri.Even their culture is similar to eastern UP.

For your information 3 more districs have been made as prabudha nagar(shamli),Pnchsheel nagar(Hapur) Along with Bhim nagar.Power uske pass hoti hai jiske pass paisa hota hai............aur agar tu bhai yeh sochta hai ki SP kabhi western UP banne degi to bhul ja.

Whole of the Bareilly division can't be added as it is with western UP.RLD-Congress will decide as Congress is in center & they will also be in goverment when it will be decided...Centeral goverment will decide which is to be kept where & that is with RLD now............so no place for SP..................

As per my ideas SP is the worst party of UP.It always favours Muslims & these shits purabia's..................................... If you want to join them,you can but personally i can never join them.

This eastern UP is the burden on us.They dont have agricultural land,industries,social culture is different.So how can we add these Etah,Mainpuri,Shajanpur in western UP ???????????
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rightly said jaton ka bhala kevel rld k govt main aane se hi ho sakta hai...cong or rld ka milna jaton k liye best case(agar ve govt main aatein hein to) hoga kyonki cong center main bhi bethi hui hai..
ye sp to jaton ki or pure west up ki sabse badi dushman party hai...
lekin phir bhi bhot se jat leader sp k sath lad rahe hain kyonki unke liye unka personal interest comunity k interst se bada hai..
bsp bhi west up or jaaton k liye indirectly ik favourable party sabit houi hai...

noida or greater noida main to infrastructer develop ho hi gaya hai...ab greater noida se aage jidher bhi development hoga vo sara region jaton ka hi hai..chahe bulandshahr ki taraf chahe agra ki taraf chahe hapud ki taraf..ab greater noida ko badhne k liye jaton k region hi option hain aage..lekin agar ye mullayum aa gaya to sab barbaad kar dega...greater noida k around jaton k gaonon main jo property ka rate develop hua hai vo bhi khatam ho jayega...

ye sara paisa apne purab main hi lagata hai...we need to get rid of these purabiyas
agar west up alag state hota to aaj haryana, punjaab se bhi aage hota lekin hamare ilake ki sari kamayi to ye purabiye hi kha jaate hain..or badle main hamain milta hai coruption or berojgari..jis vajah se hamare yaha crime ka graph badhta ja raha hai..jats are the worst hit of this berojgari and going into crime..
 
ashishsehrawat9 said:
There is no dount in the fact that jats have the best educational & economical status than gujjars & yadavs.could you please tell me how you come to the conclusion that they are ahead than us???????????
In which services jats are lagging behind??????????Every state has different scenarios & political aspetcs due to many factors like poppulation,social domnancy & others.If jaats are lagging in some fields in any particulat state,it doesn't mean that overall they are lagging behind............

It is true that yadavs have more poppulation in comparison to jats.I have read at one place that they have approximately 8-9 % poppulation on the India's poppulation but they lives in the worst areas of India like Bihar,eastern UP,jharkhand etc.Although there are some exceptions like Karnatka.Karnathka is a good state with a good yadav poppulation,correct me if i am wrong............They are in OBC status since a long time.

Please elaborate on which basis you are saying that jats are lagging behind than gujjars & yadavs.............please explain.Everybody has different opinion towards different aspects.
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My dear young man, please hold your horses, read again, I only said yadav have gone ahead not gujjars, my base is my personal knowledge, I have seen all states, seen people personally, you will surprise dear you are no where even in haryana as for as the job racio is concern, even in Rajesthan, they are less in numbers but their education, service and economy is batter than jats, up you can see openly they have gone much ahead even politically also, BY THE WAY THESE ARE MY VIEWS i NEVER SAID THESE ARE ONLY RIGHT, Also can your honour kindly give some proof in support of your view, Please donot mind TRUTH IS ALWAYS BITTER,
 
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My dear young man, please hold your horses, read again, I only said yadav have gone ahead not gujjars, my base is my personal knowledge, I have seen all states, seen people personally, you will surprise dear you are no where even in haryana as for as the job racio is concern, even in Rajesthan, they are less in numbers but their education, service and economy is batter than jats, up you can see openly they have gone much ahead even politically also, BY THE WAY THESE ARE MY VIEWS i NEVER SAID THESE ARE ONLY RIGHT, Also can your honour kindly give some proof in support of your view, Please donot mind TRUTH IS ALWAYS BITTER,
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Everyobody has different views & approach towards any subject.I have also seen many states of India ,atleast i can say most of the states of North India.As per my observation jats are doing well in every state in every field like sports,education,politics,social development etc.As per my thinking education is the most important aspect out of these.
jats are doing well in the field of education.We still comes under general category where as gujjars & yadavs comes under OBC category.They gets the jobs via the OBC quota.In general category we have to compete with most educated Brahmins & baniyas.Where as they are getting the benefits of OBC quota.
 
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ashishsehrawat9 said:
Everyobody has different views & approach towards any subject.I have also seen many states of India ,atleast i can say most of the states of North India.As per my observation jats are doing well in every state in every field like sports,education,politics,social development etc.As per my thinking education is the most important aspect out of these.
jats are doing well in the field of education.We still comes under general category where as gujjars & yadavs comes under OBC category.They gets the jobs via the OBC quota.In general category we have to compete with most educated Brahmins & baniyas.Where as they are getting the benefits of OBC quota.
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Yes, friend you may have seen but our observations can be different, YADAV GETTING obc IS THEIR ACHIEVEMENT AND HOW THEY HAVE GOT MORE JOBS, IS NOT THE POINT OF DISCUSSION BUT THEY HAVE GOT MORE, EVEN IN EDUCATION, IF YOU COLLECT DATAS, YOU FIND YADAV MUCH AHEAD IN NOT ONLY up BUT IN OTHER STATES ALSO, sports they are no less, the real strength of community lies in its unity, where yadav have gone ahead of khalsas and keralites what to talk about jats who are poorest on this front, son goto jat & yadav villages and see the condion, you will realize the difference, You see even their behaviour(which is the end result /froof of education) is much batter than jats,
 
mr kharb.....who says jaats doesnt hav unity...best example of jaat unity was d mirchpur kaand...i think u forgot how all the khaps came together and blocked rails n roads in haryanaa n made haryana paralised...i hav never heard any other caste doin dis kindaa stuff...agar kabhi yadavo ne aisa kiya ho too bataa doo mujhee
 
piush_tomar said:
"Jat Reservation" on facebook released a video ..watch it.
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Yashpal Malik move to stir up the protest without waiting for OBC commission verdict is stupid and looks politically motivated. He is doing nothing more than a harm to the Jat Reservation movement by opposing only one party(congress) at the time of elections.

Anna Hazare and his team did the same thing in Hissar by opposing only one party. And we all know the fate of those movements. Unfortunately our leader(Yashpal Malik)does not want to learn anything from it.

Anyway the new protest in Hissar could not attract even 500 people which is true picture of how many people are in favour of his move.
 
cutejaatsandeep said:
mr kharb.....who says jaats doesnt hav unity...best example of jaat unity was d mirchpur kaand...i think u forgot how all the khaps came together and blocked rails n roads in haryanaa n made haryana paralised...i hav never heard any other caste doin dis kindaa stuff...agar kabhi yadavo ne aisa kiya ho too bataa doo mujhee
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Sandeep, one insident cannot prove unity, we all know what kind of unity we have, there at mirajpur case what your unity could do to police SP yadav, even CM couldnot take action because all yadav were with the police officer, being khap pardhan my self for last more than 35 years, I am fully aware what kind of unity we people have. This is the weakness of ours otherwise jats would have been on top.I strongly belive that we are totally lacking on unity and good behaviour, FOR NOTICING/HEARING ABOUT UNITY OF OTHER CASTES ONE NEED KEEN EYES AND INTELLIGENT MIND BECAUSE OTHER COMMUNITIES DO THEIR WORK QUITELY AND INTELLIGENTLY AND ACHIEVE GOOD RESULT, THEY DONOT SHOUGHT FOR SHOWING OFF OR UNNECESSERILY, My dear please come out of small whole, you can see many things which can really open our eyes
 
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