Thats fair
jagmohan said:
Dear All,
We are putting the cart before the horse and not giving the topic a more serious thought. Let us not dismiss the issue with abusive language and accusations. I am no authority on Islam but have some basic understanding & knowledge, good enough to know that the problem of Islamic Fundamentalism can’t be overcome by accusing all Muslims as traitors and children producing machines. In my belief it is very necessary to know more about Islam, why it has come to be known as a ‘Fundamentalist’ religion, is there some ‘grand design’ at work here, whom does it benefit and the affect it would have on our nation in the future.
Col Malikji
You observation is right. People have to stop getting carried away and stop abusive language. Knowing Islam is the requirement before commenting
jagmohan said:
Let us be very clear on few things first. You can’t wish them away and it is impossible to ‘Wipe-Them-Out’. In India the Muslim community is one of the most backward, uneducated, neglected, suspected etc. You can’t blame Muslims just because they are united and believe in one God. Who has stopped the Hindus from practicing their faith? Also, despite popular belief, there is equal amount of fissure in Muslim society, if not more than Hinduism. Just pick up a Muslim matrimonial section of any newspaper and you would know what I am referring to. And add the animosity between Wahabi & Barelvi thought, Shiua & Sunnis, Arabs and others.
No doubt they are most backward community and neglected as well.
Backward because of whom ? Neglected by whom ?/
What prevents the religious and political leadership from spending the millions received from Saudi Arabia and others on normal education rather than building mosques, printing qurans and setting up madarassas ?
jagmohan said:
Islam came into being because of the corruption that had set in the ‘Idol Worshipping’ communities in the Middle East. Just like the way renaissance in Europe that started when people questioned the corruption in the Church. Historically even Hinduism has enough blood on its hands. Just study what they did to Buddhists. What they did was as bloody as what Mughal invaders did to Hindus later in time, if not more. So each and every religion has its stories of shame.
Absolutely wrong.
The very first supposed revealation to Mohammed was - ....... illalah, Mohammad ul rasoolallah.
Means there is no god but allah , and Mohammed is his only prophet.
Did God decide to change his mind asfter having run this humanity for many thousands of years ? Did he become tired of being called God or Shivji or Bhagwan or whatever ?
There was no corruption amongst the 'idol worshipping' communities of Arabia. If anything they were living peacefully. In the Kaaba temple, they even allowed the statues of Jesus and Mary.
Even if they were corrupt, who was mohammed to force his own brand of God onto them ?
The talk of voilence against Buddhists is creation of Commies, now being vigorously pursued by self-styled liberators like Kancha Illiah and Yoginder Sikand with the active support of the Islamists on one hand and the Evangelists on the other. Aim - To weaken Hindus and India from within.
Buddhist faced neglect but not voilence, and certainly not killings and rape.
How is that the biggest universities of the world Taxila and Nalanda, both Buddhist, came up in the midst of Hindu heartlands ?
And who destroyed those unicversities ? Who massacred the unarmed harmless Buddhist Monks because the refused to Convert > ? Not Hindus but Muslims ...
jagmohan said:
There would be always a struggle between Islam and other religions. It is a fact and history. Does it mean that a nation having the second largest population of Muslims should involve itself in name-calling and witch hunting? Doesn’t our population, most of it still poor, deserve basic necessities of life? Will we keep repeating the past mistakes and never know how to live in peace & harmony? What would be the end result of such tension in society? Can we survive as a nation with such fault lines? I think these are the questions we should ask our selves and seek an answer for, rather than calling names.
Regards,
JS Malik
Why would there always be struggle between Islam and other religions ? WHY ? Who is (and has always been ) forcing this struggle ? Islamic ideologues down the ages have openly been advocating that 'jihad' is the most sacred duty of every pius muslim. Contrary to what apologists would like us to believe, jihad is not inner struggle..... It is the was to convert or subjugate the whole world . Mohammed himself has laid down in various ayats of the Quran -- And when the holy months are passed, strike them and smite them, wherever you find them
.. Lie in wait for the kafir in thousand strategems.. Allah will give you victory for he is most garcious.
Jews and Christians should be converted or can be allowed to live as dhimmis. But for the idolator and apostate, there is no coice but death. ..
One can go on and on,, with historuical examples. There should not be any doubt in anybody's mind that, your being a kafir itself is reason enough for you to be at war with the muslims.
That said we have to keep in mind that hate for the man is not the answer. Human beings are basically good. They become bad because of teachings and circumstances. So it is Islam that is bad, not the muslims.
The general conditions of muslim masses all over the world, including the dar-ul-salaams, is testimony to the intellectual and spiritual bankruptcy of Islam. What Taliban did to Afganistan is a stark sample of what Islam does to a healthy society.
So muslims masses themselves are biggest sufferers at the hands of Islam. Mohammed started it for his own selfish motives and created the mullah class that has been spearheading the dirve, only because Islam gives legitimacy to the unchallanged grip of the mullah over all spheres of believers' lives.
As long as there are kafirs, the hate will be directed against them. When kafirs dry out, mullahs fight amongst themselves. Khomeini got 1 million Ismailis killed after the revolution. Were they not muslims ?
The fact that there are many many fissures and casteism within Islam, is no solace to the kafir. Rest assured, as long as you are like this, you are a target............ Its just a matter of time..
what can be done ?/ ?? We can take a leaf out of Swami Dayanand's Shuddhi philosophy. If some muslims have Jat pride, that is a welcome sign to start with.
Whether to allow them on the site ? Why not ?
The following should be every thinking man's (and deviji's) slogan
Save a muslim from Islam, save your future generations from terrorism and mullahs' clutches.
Regards.
