Muslim Jats

[atul.jhajhria]

[offtopic]First, thanx to moderator for closing last thread. We will continue our discussion here.

Please dont flame or troll.

Time for constructive discussion.

If anyone says bad words i will complain to moderator.

If you can write in decent way and can argue with out swearing you are welcome.
[/offtopic]

So as far many people have suspicion towards muslim jats.

Let me tell you my stroy.

Even i did not had positive view about them but then i was never had any contact with them.

What i saw?

I saw them fighting for Jats against their own muslim community people and that too for hindu jats as well. They prefer Hindu jats then a pathan or any other sect.....This is the fact.

Many people said i have soft corner for Islam!

My answer: No

I dont care about religion.

As long as someone consider himself Jat first i am very comfortable with them.

Almost 99% people have never met muslim jats! If they do their opinion will change for forever.

Does that mean i am supporting Islam/pakistan?

Answer is simply No.

If we have fight with pakistan then we will fight for our mother land India!

There is no doubt about that.


I say why not incude them in brotherhood! After all they are jats.

We all agree to disagree but we can discuss it peacefuly.

 

[dhayal]

I requesting to my all jatland friend pls kindly don’t participate in this thread
This guy want to make this a big issue



jai hind jai hanuman

 

[ratheetheraist]

theek saii bhaai...........!!!!

theek sai bhai atulee......sory 4 tht.........parr ke karun tanne choo itna thawa diya thaa tanne............parr tu na manne raam ki bhii issaa laage sai........chall aapan te chaale iss taage pe te .....ibb tera raam rukhaallaa................haha......ok

dil main ranjish na raakhiyee kimmee.................

 

[atul.jhajhria]

theek sai bhai atulee......sory 4 tht.........parr ke karun tanne choo itna thawa diya thaa tanne............parr tu na manne raam ki bhii issaa laage sai........chall aapan te chaale iss taage pe te .....ibb tera raam rukhaallaa................haha......ok

dil main ranjish na raakhiyee kimmee.................

No my friend....Grudge with anyone but my jat brothers....100 khun maaf

I do appreciate everyones thinking....

 

[sampuran]

It is appropriate

Atul Bhai,
Ram Ram. You have done a good thing by starting this thread.
Sometime in future everyone in this globalised world will have to confront this topic or an offshoot in some form or other.
Today many members may find it out of place. In htat sense you are being futuristic. Nothing wrong with that.

Hope this time we keep it neat and constructive.

 

[mukeshkumar007]

don't u people have any other topic to discuss

muslim mullaah..hindu..muslim jat hindu jat sikh jat christian jat...??????????????????????????????????????????????????...

pata nahi is desh ka kya hoga...

abi hindu, muslim christian sikh ki baat karne lag rehe hai

agar muslim nahi rehenge to phir

jat, brahman, mali, chamar ke geet gane lag jana....lakin rukna mat..lage rehna....

u people are giving good message to rest of the people through your posts...lage rehoo....akhir bharat ko mehan jo banana hai

hazaro problems hai community maie ek baar unki taraf hi dekh lo agar aap log really maie kuch karna chahte ho to....????? nahi to aram karoo ...lambi lambi dinge hakna band karoo....

aisa lag reha hai jaise maie jatland par visit na karke galti se dusri site khol lee aaj....

 

[atul.jhajhria]

Sampuran thanx for your encouraging reply.

Mukesh

We all have work to do!

Jats in canada and US are contributing in their own way!

Take a look in education forum, so many jats have been profited from guidance of NRI jats!

If anyone here is doing araam, its because of his/her hard work!

You cant deny their contribution towards upliftment of our society!

why you expect everyone to leave everything and do politics among jats!


we have no relation with Brahmin chamar or teli!

But muslim jats are one of our own!

They are jats. Its the same blood.

About giving message to other people.....Its a free world.

Everyone is free to make up his mind!

 

[rahulkharb]

So as far many people have suspicion towards muslim jats.

Let me tell you my stroy.

Even i did not had positive view about them but then i was never had any contact with them.

What i saw?

I saw them fighting for Jats against their own muslim community people and that too for hindu jats as well. They prefer Hindu jats then a pathan or any other sect.....This is the fact.

I appreciate points made by u in the above post, but u cant generalize the whole community based on jus UR RESEARCH/OBSERVATION, I cant take ur words as a proof, either give us a credible source or provide a link whr it clearly states tht "IT'S A FACT". I am sure u must have had few odd experinces whr u can say tht yes this has happend n Im not denying it because every religion has its own share of gud n bad ppl, but frm whr i can see in islam bad ppl outnumbered gud ones by a fairly HUGE number. The cartoon protest all ova the world showed thier true face.

 

[crsnadar]

OK but my views are!!

Dear Atul bhai,

In this way every religion has some Martial Castes, Business Castes & so on...

In SIKHS-> JATTS are among martial castes.
GURJARS are also there among sikhs.
RAJPUTs are also there among sikhs.
KHATRIs are there for business
& so on.

In MUSLIMS-> MAULA JAT are there
GURJARS are there
MAULE RAJPUTS are there
and so on JULAHE, IMAM atc.

If we consider it that way then there will be no Place of Religion because every Religion has Kshtriya, Brahmans, Vaishya & Sudras but they call them in different ways.
Is tarah to religion ka koi matlab hi nahi rah jayega.
I can't deny that there is nobody good in M's.
There r som good people also.
But 90% of them are Anti Nationalist, Anti Society & Major worry for society.
But on the point that there are people of our class is not enough to excuse them for their attitude.
You may have found some very good person among them but majority is Wrong.

Mera to bhai manana hai ki jo bhi 12-12 bachche paida kar rahe hai wo desh ke sath gaddari kar rahe hai chahe wo koi bhi hae.
chahe laloo hi kyon naa ho.
Laloo to phir bhi ladke ki chahat me intna score kar gaye par inke Ms ke yahan to karib karib sabhi ke yahan aadha darjan bachche to hai hi.

iska kya karen bhai????

 

[atul.jhajhria]

I appreciate points made by u in the above post, but u cant generalize the whole community based on jus UR RESEARCH/OBSERVATION, I cant take ur words as a proof, either give us a credible source or provide a link whr it clearly states tht "IT'S A FACT". I am sure u must have had few odd experinces whr u can say tht yes this has happend n Im not denying it because every religion has its own share of gud n bad ppl, but frm whr i can see in islam bad ppl outnumbered gud ones by a fairly HUGE number. The cartoon protest all ova the world showed thier true face.

I agree with your point! My experiences are for me only!

Other members want to know!

Thats why i say, let them come and see yourself.

I met 1 jat here in canada he was much more jat then muslim! Apart from this i saw discussion on various muslim forums!

For me it was clear cut case of Jat brotherhood!

But we can all try this and so everyone can judge them!

If our frequency does not match, we can shut them!

This will give both us fair chance to know each other!

Tell me are we so fragile that few muslim jats will convert us to Islam!!

I am against Islam!

But we can co-exist as long as they dont try to be too Islamic.

In case we try this we have to be bit more understanding too!


The other solution will be to first let Sikh jats in.....

If this experiment works then we can let muslim jats in say after sufficient time.

 

[atul.jhajhria]

Dear Atul bhai,

In this way every religion has some Martial Castes, Business Castes & so on...

In SIKHS-> JATTS are among martial castes.
GURJARS are also there among sikhs.
RAJPUTs are also there among sikhs.
KHATRIs are there for business
& so on.

In MUSLIMS-> MAULA JAT are there
GURJARS are there
MAULE RAJPUTS are there
and so on JULAHE, IMAM atc.

If we consider it that way then there will be no Place of Religion because every Religion has Kshtriya, Brahmans, Vaishya & Sudras but they call them in different ways.
Is tarah to religion ka koi matlab hi nahi rah jayega.
I can't deny that there is nobody good in M's.
There r som good people also.
But 90% of them are Anti Nationalist, Anti Society & Major worry for society.
But on the point that there are people of our class is not enough to excuse them for their attitude.
You may have found some very good person among them but majority is Wrong.

Mera to bhai manana hai ki jo bhi 12-12 bachche paida kar rahe hai wo desh ke sath gaddari kar rahe hai chahe wo koi bhi hae.
chahe laloo hi kyon naa ho.
Laloo to phir bhi ladke ki chahat me intna score kar gaye par inke Ms ke yahan to karib karib sabhi ke yahan aadha darjan bachche to hai hi.

iska kya karen bhai????

we are not forcing them to be with Hindu Jats!

If there is feeling then they will come on their own.

They cant harm us!

They are not in India! They are in Pakistan.


Tell me one thing:
If by any reason you adopt Islam today!

Will you become anti Hindu-Jat?

You will become anti Hindu(-Jat).

Caste is always bigger thing then Religion!

In whole history, men changed his religion but he rarely changed his caste!

Even Dalits prefer to be Muslim Dalit rather then a Brahmin Hindu.

Ever thought why they change religion and not caste?


And Jats are much more cutter then any other caste.


As i said in above post, we may first start with Sikh Jats.

They are our closest brother. Many of them already stopped having turban and beard and they are identifying with Hindu jats.

I had a classmate with above example.

 

[crsnadar]

Good Boss,

Atul bhai I think u got to meet some very good persons.
company of good persons make a man good at least upto some extant.
If a person ia so nice then we can not crticise him/them even if he/they is/are JAT or not.
I know some GURJARS Muslims who says that they consider themselves as close to Hindu GURJARS but on the question of Islam they be some departed from them aggresively.
May be this attitute differ person to person.

But I individualy can not trust Pakistanis so easily even if he is JAT.

Bye
RAHUL NADAR

 

[atul.jhajhria]

Atul bhai I think u got to meet some very good persons.
company of good persons make a man good at least upto some extant.
If a person ia so nice then we can not crticise him/them even if he/they is/are JAT or not.
I know some GURJARS Muslims who says that they consider themselves as close to Hindu GURJARS but on the question of Islam they be some departed from them aggresively.
May be this attitute differ person to person.

But I individualy can not trust Pakistanis so easily even if he is JAT.

Bye
RAHUL NADAR

See how a Gujjar muslim will always feel towards Gujjar hindu.

But since you are not gujjar he cant show same likeness to you!!

Same way Muslim jat may be cutter muslim with all hindus but when it comes to Hindu jats he will say he feels so close to us!!

Trusting paki??

Never

Trusting paki Jat??

We have not try this yet!


How can you say bad about person whom you have not met?

Talk to Bengali muslim and he will be cool to Bengali Hindus.

I have seen Hindu bengali here in saskatoon who only make friendship with Bengalis(Hindu + Muslims)


You cant compare General Muslims to Muslim Jats.

They both are at different level with Hindu Jats.


We have nothing to loose!

We dont have to trust them to know them.


But again i say:- Get Sikh jats into our fold and then we will try for muslim jats.

Step by step*/

 

[rakeshmalik]

atleast 1 person come in contact with muslims jats.
they are as good as we are, much open minded then hindu jats.
may be coz v met in neutral country.
they don't have any problem with hindu jats but most of this site users have.
dear atul, here people have blind spots.
don't want to c anything, which is not like them.
when i mention muslim jats under my thread(should v change jatland.com to hinduland.com), they locked it.
they only know this thing.

 

[atul.jhajhria]

atleast 1 person come in contact with muslims jats.
they are as good as we are, much open minded then hindu jats.
may be coz v met in neutral country.
they don't have any problem with hindu jats but most of this site users have.
dear atul, here people have blind spots.
don't want to c anything, which is not like them.
when i mention muslim jats under my thread(should v change jatland.com to hinduland.com), they locked it.
they only know this thing.

Rakesh this is the effect of 60 year of brainwash by Khoonchoos Brahmins!

I am sure with in this year we would be able to include muslim jats into our website too!


Let me tell you all:-

Brahmin will hardly help Jat.

Because we are Jats not Hindu!

We get to the trap of these Brahmins:/


Let me ask you all one question

Why Brahmins negotiate with Pakistan!

When its we Jats who should negotiate with Pakistan!

After all Pakistan and its army is full of Jats!

Answer is simple/

Brahmins never wants to share power with Jats.

Jats will always fight on issues which are not even theirs!


Why Rajasthan never had Jat CM when we have largest population?

Why Pakistan Punjab has Jat CM....

Why India's Punjab has always Jat CM?

How many Jats are Minister in centre?




Its time for us jats to unite = Dont wait.

We can choose our own Destiny.

Dont be satisfied!

Jat means power!

Lust for Power!!

 

[chhillar]

Cut it out!!!!!!!!!!

See how a Gujjar muslim will always feel towards Gujjar hindu.

But since you are not gujjar he cant show same likeness to you!!

Same way Muslim jat may be cutter muslim with all hindus but when it comes to Hindu jats he will say he feels so close to us!!

Trusting paki??

Never

Trusting paki Jat??

We have not try this yet!


How can you say bad about person whom you have not met?

Talk to Bengali muslim and he will be cool to Bengali Hindus.

I have seen Hindu bengali here in saskatoon who only make friendship with Bengalis(Hindu + Muslims)


You cant compare General Muslims to Muslim Jats.

They both are at different level with Hindu Jats.


We have nothing to loose!

We dont have to trust them to know them.


But again i say:- Get Sikh jats into our fold and then we will try for muslim jats.

Step by step*/

Yaar Atul tun pher shuroo hogya....please!!!!!cut it out...

 

[atul.jhajhria]

Yaar Atul tun pher shuroo hogya....please!!!!!cut it out...

Amit, we agree to disagree.

I do things on my own wish!

Suppose i dont interfere with you!

And i dont want anyone to tell me what i should do!

Please!

 

[sunitahooda]

Amit samajh gya beera....
iska matlab sai...apni-apni toombdii...apna apna raag....

iski thread mai tai jo likhega wo nuay Yava hovega....

I do things on my own wish!

Suppose i dont interfere with you!

And i dont want anyone to tell me what i should do!

Please![/quote]

 

[fool4love]

Amit, we agree to disagree.

I do things on my own wish!

Suppose i dont interfere with you!

And i dont want anyone to tell me what i should do!

Please!

take it easy dude.... he's just requesting u..to cut it out!!
with the word 'please' ... he's not telling.. rather asking!!
else.... whtever makes u happy!

 

[atul.jhajhria]

take it easy dude.... he's just requesting u..to cut it out!!
with the word 'please' ... he's not telling.. rather asking!!
else.... whtever makes u happy!

Mr. Kamal, yes and more-ever he is my friend!

We talk regularly.

No issue here.


But again there is thing called: Freedom of Speech

and i dont want anyone to interfere with my rights!

Not even my family members!

Friendship and common interest are different thing and debating on a issue is different:-

When we debate, we debate.

Man to man.