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Too much confusing Mr. ATUL. Why didn't u start this Thread in History section. U have given birth to a new controversy. What is the difference between a MAULA JAAT & MUSLIM JAAT?? Can u throw light on this.
One suggestion for u. Do some homework before giving the reply of above question


atul.jhajhria said:
I does not mean to include those jats who have stopped calling themselves jat!

The maula jat you are talking about are completely assimliated into Islam.

There is no question to incude them!

But if some muslim jat takes more pride in calling himself jat, we should include him!

I am appaled by views of my Jat Bros here!

Nobody wants to reason!

Some are telling me to drop this matter!

Are you all nuts!

You cant even discuss here freely??

Open your mind before it becomes too late!!


Someone even suggested if muslim jats come on this forum, hindu jats may be inclined to convert.
If you are so weak then it will happen anyhow! If not to Islam then that person will convert to Christianity or any other religion!
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prashantacmet said:
Too much confusing Mr. ATUL. Why didn't u start this Thread in History section. U have given birth to a new controversy. What is the difference between a MAULA JAAT & MUSLIM JAAT?? Can u throw light on this.
One suggestion for u. Do some homework before giving the reply of above question
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atul.jhajhria said:
I does not mean to include those jats who have stopped calling themselves jat!

The maula jat you are talking about are completely assimliated into Islam.

There is no question to incude them!

But if some muslim jat takes more pride in calling himself jat, we should include him!

I am appaled by views of my Jat Bros here!

Nobody wants to reason!

Some are telling me to drop this matter!

Are you all nuts!

You cant even discuss here freely??

Open your mind before it becomes too late!!


Someone even suggested if muslim jats come on this forum, hindu jats may be inclined to convert.
If you are so weak then it will happen anyhow! If not to Islam then that person will convert to Christianity or any other religion!
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Sorry prashant if it confuses you, i will be more careful.

Btw i am thinking of making new post in history section:- my fathers version of origin of Jats.
 
Atul have you ever gone to history section?

I THINK EVERY BODY KNOW THAT JAT IS RACE NOT A CAST.

Similarly gujjar is a race not a cast.

brahmins and rajput are cast having different ethinic groups adopting one title.

Atul bhai history of jats is not so fake as you want to suggest using uncle ji's name.

This discussion is more relevant to history section.
 
narenderkharb said:
Atul have you ever gone to history section?

I THINK EVERY BODY KNOW THAT JAT IS RACE NOT A CAST.

Similarly gujjar is a race not a cast.

brahmins and rajput are cast having different ethinic groups adopting one title.

Atul bhai history of jats is not so fake as you want to suggest using uncle ji's name.

This discussion is more relevant to history section.
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I wish that is true!

You are right, i have not spend much time in history section.

There discussion is about jats to be european pride!

I found that more than funny.

I say we dont have clear history, declare ourself seperate race and concentrate on present.
 
That is the real problem .

You saw the title name, made up your mind ,what could be inside and left it.

Please visit this thread and you see whether jats feel pride in europian origin.

Even Sampuran bhai agreed that jats were living in this land when people related to vedic dieties came to this land of India.

Am i wrong if I say we should comment upon any thing only after reading it?
 
narenderkharb said:
That is the real problem .

You saw the title name, made up your mind ,what could be inside and left it.

Please visit this thread and you see whether jats feel pride in europian origin.

Even Sampuran bhai agreed that jats were living in this land when people related to vedic dieties came to this land of India.

Am i wrong if I say we should comment upon any thing only after reading it?
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Yah i see that some opposed this idea and some took great pride in european origin.

Point is different!

Our Histrory=Mystery

Telling other people that we were europeans wont make any difference!

Europeans dont give a sh!t about Jats.

Other castes wont consider us europeans out of jealousy.

we can say forever we are europeans

Fact may be we are european origin or whatever origin its irrelevant now!

But i suppose its not a very bad idea to discuss it.


Need of hour is: Networking!

Though we are very cutter but we need to be more then just cutter.

We need a very educated jat community!

I see most of jats lives happily!

I dont like that, i want to see them sad and frustated!

I want to see them fighting for power and wealth!

To the extent they fight for power that jats beomce synonym of power!

we need to discuss every issues to its extreme!

It may be too harsh on some members but only if we learn to criticize ourself, we will be able to progress at faster rate!

With our population in Haryana and Rajasthan, we can have absolute power!

No caste/religion/race was born supreme!

We have choice!

we can be reasonable!

or

we can take pride in our holier then thou origin!

And be happy!!
 
narenderkharb said:
Topic has lost its thrust and relevance.

just for your information none claimed in thread about europian origin
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This thread has lost its purpose when i conceded!

About european origin :D

I read someone posted that there is jutland in Denmark/finland and we came from jutland.

It was enough for me left that place!!

If you want to see that post i can take pain to search it.
 
atul.jhajhria said:
Yah i see that some opposed this idea and some took great pride in european origin.


Need of hour is: Networking!

Though we are very cutter but we need to be more then just cutter.

We need a very educated jat community!

And be happy!!
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Atul Bhai
The origin was in India but people have been migrating out of here. That is why there is a Indian (Jat) connection to Europe. Not vice-versa.

Some mistakt it for Jats coming here from Juttland. Blood group analysis has scientifically proved it that migration of man has been from hot/warm climates to cold ones.

Human settlements and great civillisation have always come up where water and food supply are in abundance.
And people migrate when population pressure increases at a place. Europe is so cold that reproductivity is very low, most of it cant support large populations.
Whereas, Indian sub-continent has always housed a big chunk of world's population. Just add India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Afghanistan. And this still holds good today.
So there is no question of large scale migration from Europe to other parts when they did not even know how to make clothes.

People who talk of European origin (even if sincerely) are still caught in the falsehood of Aryan invasion Theory.




Networking - That is an urgent need. We can discuss that in a seperate thread.
 
Ait Is Not Accepted, Meaning Invasion By Vedic People.

But Oit Theory Is Well Established Fact Even The Hard Core Opponent Of Ait Agrees To Oit Meaning Vedic Literature Priests Coming To The North West India Of Jats From Out Of India.
 
Atul. Keep up with your point of view. Regardless of the facts, your post seeks to build bridges that eventually lead to understanding between cultures.

If you've ever seen or studied what the spoils of war do to people, you'll eventually realize what a waste it is to dwell on differences.

Keep your poise and your point of view. You are not a lone ranger here.
Ravi
 
arunshamli said:
what I had written was 100% correct....I was not wrong...

and yes, muslim do marry with their cousin. bua and mama kee ladki bhee cousin hee hoti hain...and muslim do marry with bua and mama kee ladki.

I do not know what is your source of information but I am telling you what I have seen.

muslim jats marry with their bua and mama kee ladki. Hindu jat do not do that.
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yes arun u r right but that is only in indian-mulajats not in pakistani and we dont consider indian mulajats as to be jats and not they,jats of pakistan r still jats as they proud to be jat and follow the basic jat coustoms like gotra system

indian mua jat dont believe in gotrasystem and even marry to other non_jats-muslim?

moral of the story is that jats of pak r also jat ,eventhough if they r against us ,we and them belong to the same breed no religion or anything can change there breed.
 
sampuran said:
Atul Bhai
The origin was in India but people have been migrating out of here. That is why there is a Indian (Jat) connection to Europe. Not vice-versa.

Some mistakt it for Jats coming here from Juttland. Blood group analysis has scientifically proved it that migration of man has been from hot/warm climates to cold ones.

Human settlements and great civillisation have always come up where water and food supply are in abundance.
And people migrate when population pressure increases at a place. Europe is so cold that reproductivity is very low, most of it cant support large populations.
Whereas, Indian sub-continent has always housed a big chunk of world's population. Just add India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Afghanistan. And this still holds good today.
So there is no question of large scale migration from Europe to other parts when they did not even know how to make clothes.

People who talk of European origin (even if sincerely) are still caught in the falsehood of Aryan invasion Theory.




Networking - That is an urgent need. We can discuss that in a seperate thread.
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sampooran singh ji just think one thing with a jat logic
why a person would migrate from a place like north india where climate and nature is very lifeloving to places like europe and central asia.

i guess people migrate from place where life is tougher(central asia) -to -places where life is easy (india)
 
teotiakuldeep said:
sampooran singh ji just think one thing with a jat logic
why a person would migrate from a place like north india where climate and nature is very lifeloving to places like europe and central asia.

i guess people migrate from place where life is tougher(central asia) -to -places where life is easy (india)
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Bhai
I am talking of thousands of years ago when man had not invented cotton / woollen clothes. How could he survive in cold climates ?
Migration to colder areas was a natural progression of adventurism and population pressure in warmer cliamtic regions.
 
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