NRI vs Resident Indians !!!

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भाई अगर ध्यान से सोचें तो ये बातें कहने-सुनने में ही अच्छी नहीं लगती, बल्कि इस दुनिया की सच्चाई-सी भी लगती हैं. हालांकि सबकी अपनी-अपनी सोच होती है और होनी भी चाहिए, लेकिन भाई विजय मेरे को एक बात बताओ इस दुनिया में किसकी जिंदगी आसान है? माना कि गरीब आदमी की जिंदगी बहुत मुश्किल है, लेकिन अमीरों की जिंदगी भी कहाँ आसान है?
[1] माइकल जैक्सन का देखो क्या हाल होकर मरा है.
[2] पिछले दिनों नामी क्रिकेटर वसीम अकरम की बीवी को बड़े-बड़े डॉक्टर भी मिलकर नहीं बचा सके. अर भाई पुलिस वाले तो अमीरों के भी डंडा मार देते हैं.
[3] पिछले दिनों पुलिस वालों ने अमर सिंह का सिर फोड़ दिया था डंडा मारकर. और आम लोगों का मौका लगता है तो वे पुलिस वालों को पीट देते हैं. ये तो दुनिया है मेरे भाई.
[4] शाहरुख खान को शिव सेना वाले परेशान कर रहे हैं और बहुत ही कम लोगों को पता है कि...
[5] शाहरुख की एक बहन भी है, उसे पता नहीं क्या बीमारी है, वो बेचारी ठीक ही नहीं हो सकी कभी.
[6] सद्दाम हुसैन जो पूरे देश का मालिक था, अपनी जान बचाने के लिए छिपता घूमा और आखिर में फांसी पर लटका दिया गया.
[7] मुंबई में जितनी भी नामी पैसे वाली हस्तियाँ हैं, सब 2 पैसे के गुंडों के खौफ में जीती हैं. कहने का मतलब यह कि जिंदगी किसी की भी आसान नहीं है. बस समस्याएं अलग तरह की हैं. कोई भी समझदार आदमी होगा तो वो बिना किसी वजह के किसी की बेइज्जती नहीं करता.

[8] माना कि हमें तरक्की करनी चाहिए, लोगों को गरीबी रेखा से ऊपर उठाने के लिए भी प्रयास करने चाहिए,
[9] लेकिन अगर कोई गरीबी रेखा के नीचे नहीं रहेगा तो भी जिंदगी की चुनौतियां समाप्त नहीं होंगी, ये तय है.

[10] इस दुनिया में इस बात का बहुत महत्व है कि इंसान ने क्या किया, इस बात का कोई विशेष महत्व नहीं है कि वो अमीर था या गरीब.
[11] श्रीराम तो 14 साल तक घोर गरीबी में रहे.
[12] क्या होता है जंगल में रहना, समझते हो?
(<<< good question)वहाँ बारिश भी आएगी, गर्मी भी पड़ेगी, सर्दी भी पड़ेगी. कहाँ नहाओगे, कहाँ कपड़े धोओगे?
[13] बहुत मुश्किल है जंगल में रहना, गरीबी रेखा से नीचे रहने वाले लोगों की जिंदगी से भी ज्यादा मुश्किल.
[14]
गुरु नानक कहाँ अमीर था?
[15] बुद्ध तो बिलकुल गरीब होकर जंगल में चला गया था.
[16] महावीर ने भी कुछ ऐसा ही किया था.
[17] गांधी तो ठेठ कंगाली में रहा. मैं ये नहीं कह रहा कि हमें गरीबी दूर करने के प्रयास नहीं करने चाहिए, लेकिन पश्चिमी देशों और वर्ल्ड बैंक जैसी संस्थाओं को ऐसी बातें नमक-मिर्च लगाकर पेश नहीं करनी चाहिए. अगर वे ऐसा करेंगे तो फिर हम भी उनसे ये पूछेंगे कि उन्होंने अमीर और तथाकथित विकसित होकर क्या पहाड़ तोड़ दिए?

[18] हम गरीबी दूर करने के प्रयास कर रहे हैं. हमने अपने अस्तित्व को बचाने के लिए 947 साल तक संघर्ष किया है. हमें आज़ाद हुए सिर्फ 62 साल हुए हैं. सैकड़ों साल की क्षतिपूर्ति करने में समय तो लगेगा ही.
Upender Singh Laakda

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रै ओ
बटेऊ... के चाहवे है तू ?

मका 'मार्टीन लूथर किंग'
अर 'घटोतकच्च' नै भूल ग्या? किम्मे उन्हें भी बिठा लेता अपनी इस "बम्बई से गई पूना"... आली रेलगाडी मै.

मका थम जा,
घणेऐ ऍन.आर.आई कूच कर लिए हैं इंडिया कैड... कदे इब कै तेरा ही लम्बर लाग ले... मेरे बटे की, घनीऐ चमक री है यो चाँद.
 
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रै ओ फूफा... के चाहवे है तू ?

मका 'मार्टीन लूथर किंग'
अर 'घटोतकच्च' नै भूल ग्या? किम्मे उन्हें भी बिठा लेता अपनी इस "बम्बई से गई पूना"... आली रेलगाडी मै.

मका थम जा,
घणेऐ ऍन.आर.आई कूच कर लिए हैं इंडिया कैड... कदे इब कै तेरा ही लम्बर लाग ले... मेरे बटे की, घनीऐ चमक री है यो चाँद.

तेवतिया जी, मैं चाहूँ कि विदेश में जो भारत के लोग रह रहे हैं, उन्हें वहाँ चैन से जीन न दूं और वे भारत आने लगें तो उन्हें यहाँ भी न आन दूं. हा...हा...हा...सब पाके होड़ हैं ये, इनपे कोन्या फर्क पड़े इसी बातां का. मेरा के नंबर लागना था? मैं तो पहले ही भारत में हूँ.
 
तेवतिया जी, मैं चाहूँ कि विदेश में जो भारत के लोग रह रहे हैं, उन्हें वहाँ चैन से जीन न दूं और वे भारत आने लगें तो उन्हें यहाँ भी न आन दूं. हा...हा...हा...सब पाके होड़ हैं ये, इनपे कोन्या फर्क पड़े इसी बातां का. मेरा के नंबर लागना था? मैं तो पहले ही भारत में हूँ.
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kasuta gappodi se tu. hahahaha !!

एक लम्बर का !!!
 




... nd then, you would have been shot dead by now... blame it on racism !
mmm??? dint quite catch ya..
anyhoo.............I sometimes fear m a Racist..n a big one at that..
to vo hi hai..ek baar kisey travelling blog main padhaa tha, Topic- "how to avoid being mugged"
ek jawaab tha " lokk like a mugger yoself" lol
 
take it easy !... tho i had yr quote on the post, but the contents had nothing to do with you... just in general... easy (no pun whatsoever) !

folks step up on the wrong toe, when they make so many assumptions, i refer to yr recent episode with fateh sir.
catch the essence from (likewise similar) post # 144, where i has quoted sid... only for the sake of continuity.
 
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...मैं चाहूँ कि विदेश में जो भारत के लोग रह रहे हैं, उन्हें वहाँ चैन से जीन न दूं और वे भारत आने लगें तो उन्हें यहाँ भी न आन दूं. हा...हा...हा...

Arae tera bhla ho...Dekhiye phelwaan, kimmi galat faimee si chipatt re sae madhi si....ude baithe kisi NRI ka to tu waise bhi kuchh ukhaad konya sake (rae, ude aa kisi ka sirf ‘haat milaan khatir’ bhi phelan chaand/chaukhtae aale “port” pae visa thappae ki zaroorat haegee, zulmi…jo tere tae koe dae konya!)... phelan apnae ghraan ka hi kyun na dekh lae...kae bera baal-bachche kit tera naam roshan karan laag re hon... aer rahee baat ude tae Bharat mein wapas jaan walan ki; tae bhaiyee wa Dharavi mein ja kae thodi hi basann laag re sein, jo tere tae takra jan aer tu unnae ude jeen konya dae!!!... :);):rolleyes:
 
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It requires lion's heart to go through all the posts running into six pages; and hence I would apologize to those whose posts I did not read before getting on to posting my views. Having read some posts here; I have come to the conclusion that the discussion is on "Two approaches" that people take:
1. Some people back home think; that NRI's are not doing enough for the nation; and actually betraying the nation by getting education in India and then working abroad.
2. Some people living abroad (NRI's) think, that people who think as above (mentioned in 1) are those who wanted to go abroad, but could not go for whatever reasons, and their views are as a result of frustration.

To justify, our views we are giving all kind of examples, from driving Taxis and cleaining Toilets in foreign land, to the physical discomforts due to polution, outrageous traffice, law and order problems, and so on, the list goes on.

There are different reasons, that people leave their villages, and countries. Historically, people have migrated from one place to another for better opportunities. As they saying goes that the "Grass looks green on otherside of the hill". Every thing that shines is not a gold we all know that.

Now to the subject. If I got the question right; my answer in simplest form is that; (to thinking mentioned in 1 & 2 above) it shows lack of understanding of the issues and shallowness of ideas/views. More than any thing else it is the self ego, or frustration that results in bashing of any community, religion, nation or culture. We tend to pass judgement without hearing the case. I think some of you had posted "Nathuram Godse's" argument/statement at his trial; when he described Gandhi is judge of his own case; the irony is that Nathuram did the same. He became his own judge and thus assassinated Gandhi.

1. Those who feel, driving Taxis and cleaning toilets is a bad thing to do to make a living. To them, I would say that it is better than robbing people on street, occupying position of power and making money out of it and taking bribe to do one's own duty for which you get a salary that you agreed to get. These taxi drivers and Janitors have worked hard to put their children in best of schools. Not only that, there are convenience store owners, who come to their store, rain or shine, and keep the coffee ready at 5 AM in the morning in sub zero tempratures, why? because they want to ensure that their children can have a good education and better life. Essentially, what they are doing? They are helping people (their children) become better and meaningful member of the society. Now compare it to the son of a landlord in your own village (if still some people have enough land to meet the definition) who gets up at whatever time and wastes his time and his father's money for whatever he does.

2. Why a good thing should be linked to a particular nation, culture, religion or caste. You have good and bad people across the spectrum of society in every country. You talk about NRI's treated badly abroad. I have seen, Indians treated badly in India. Chamar, Chudhe whom you don't allow to drink water from your well and whom you don't allow to sit on your charpoy, are they not Indians? We so called intellectuals (as we all think that we are) have created so many bounds and breakers to divide the community all across the world, we know the ill effects of it but the effort continues relentlessly. All that we believe in NRI Vs RI's, Hindu Vs Muslim, Indian Vs Foreigners, White vs Black, Jat vs a Non Jat.

I wonder when would be the time, when we will look at another human being as a human being and treat him/her absolutely based on his/her contribution to the society and the skills that person has. Read my line below: Never judge people what they do, judge them how they do.

World is not perfect, and that is why it is called World, remember the sentence "Ye Duniya Hai Yaar". A taxi driver and a Janitor contribute as much to the society as any one else. Imagine if a Janitor does not come and clean your toilet one day? (I am talking about the time when you did not have flush system in villages); your house would have stinked more than your mind. Someone talked about people having four girl friends in foreign countries. Well, we don't know someone in India may be having even more. But why that should be an issue in first place. Have as many girl friend as you can afford. If you think that it is immoral; then don't have one. What do you mean by Girl friend? Does that mean that the person sleeps with all of them? Can't one have any other relationship with a woman? And if that be just a moral issue, then why do you like Raja Dashrath; he had three wives. King Bhimbhsar had three wives. Ajatshatru married his maternal uncles daughter effectively cousin. We don't mind that, but we always bash Islam for similar traditions. Why do we have double standards?

It is painful to read some of the comments people have made on this thread specially so because most of us are educated. Kindly think outside the box. Approach the issue in its entirity. Positive thinking may be more helpful. And remeber; money really does not make any one permanently happy or unhappy.

If one gets two full meals in a day; Happiness is just the state of mind thereafter.

Wow, everyone is busy doing tit for tat and this got buried somewhere on 5th page with no response whatsoever. Just bumping it up in case someone's interested in sane views.
 
Arae tera bhla ho...Dekhiye phelwaan, kimmi galat faimee si chipatt re sae madhi si....ude baithe kisi NRI ka to tu waise bhi kuchh ukhaad konya sake (rae, ude aa kisi ka sirf ‘haat milaan khatir’ bhi phelan chaand/chaukhtae aale “port” pae visa thappae ki zaroorat haegee, zulmi…jo tere tae koe dae konya!)... phelan apnae ghraan ka hi kyun na dekh lae...kae bera baal-bachche kit tera naam roshan karan laag re hon... aer rahee baat ude tae Bharat mein wapas jaan walan ki; tae bhaiyee wa Dharavi mein ja kae thodi hi basann laag re sein, jo tere tae takra jan aer tu unnae ude jeen konya dae!!!... :);):rolleyes:


2 माणसां की बातचीत में तू कहाँ तै कुदया रै?
मैंने पोस्ट नंबर # 139 में जो बातें लिखीं, उनमें एन.आर.आई. भाईयों का कोई जिक्र ही नहीं था. मि. तेवतिया ने पोस्ट नंबर # 142 में मजाक में मेरे से पूछा कि मैं क्या चाहूँ और कहा कि मैं ऐसी धर्म-कर्म की बात ना करूं, ना तो एन.आर.आई. को देश की याद आने लगेगी और वे भारत लौटने की सोचने लगेंगे. मैंने मजाक में कहा कि अगर ऐसा है तो फिर मैं ऐसी बात करने लगूंगा, जिससे वे वहीं रहें और भारत ना लौटें. मैंने ये भी लिखा कि ये सब समझदार, अपने फैसले खुद लेने वाले लोग हैं, ऐसी बातों से इन पर कोई फर्क नहीं पड़ता.
लेकिन तू पता नहीं कौन है और तुझे किस बात पर गुस्सा आया?

अब मैं तेरी इस बकवास का जवाब देता हूँ :
Arae tera bhla ho...Dekhiye phelwaan, kimmi galat faimee si chipatt re sae madhi si....ude baithe kisi NRI ka to tu waise bhi kuchh ukhaad konya sake (rae, ude aa kisi ka sirf ‘haat milaan khatir’ bhi phelan chaand/chaukhtae aale “port” pae visa thappae ki zaroorat haegee, zulmi…jo tere tae koe dae konya!)...
मेरा कुछ उखाड़ने या उखड़वाने का कोई इरादा ही नहीं है. मैं क्यों किसी एन.आर.आई. से बिना वजह हाथ मिलाने के लिए विदेश जाना चाहूंगा? अगर तू विदेश जाने को कोई बहुत बड़ी बात मान रहा है तो मुझे तो तेरी अक्ल पे तरस आ रहा है. जैसा चाँद-चौखटा मेरा है, उस पे मुझे गर्व है. अबे भाई मेरे सिक्स पैक एब्स हैं.


phelan apnae ghraan ka hi kyun na dekh lae...kae bera baal-bachche kit tera naam roshan karan laag re hon...
मेरे दिल्ली वाले घर का भी और गाँव वाले घर का भी हरेक कोना बहुत बढ़िया है. ये तेरे बाल-बच्चे तेरा नाम रोशन कर रहे होंगे. मैंने तो अभी शादी ही नहीं करवाई. पिछले 12 साल से मैंने तो किसी लड़की की तरफ कोई गंदा इशारा तक नहीं किया और इससे पहले की उम्र में भी कुछेक शरारतों को छोड़कर मेरी जिंदगी शीशे की तरह साफ़ है. यकीन ना आए तो बता दिए, यकीन भी दिलवा दूंगा, हालांकि मुझे खुद ऐसा करने की कोई जरूरत नहीं है.


aer rahee baat ude tae Bharat mein wapas jaan walan ki; tae bhaiyee wa Dharavi mein ja kae thodi hi basann laag re sein, jo tere tae takra jan aer tu unnae ude jeen konya dae!!!...
मेरे कहने का जो मतलब था, वो तेरी अक्ल में कोन्या घुसा. मैंने तो मजाक में कहा था कि मैं एन.आर.आई. को भारत में ना आन दूं, मतलब उन्हें ऐसी बात कहूँगा कि वे वहीं खुश रहेंगे.

अब सभी जाटलैंडर्स से एक सवाल :
भाई लोगों, मैंने पोस्ट नंबर 139 में ऐसा क्या गलत लिख दिया कि कुछ लोगों को इतना गुस्सा आया? ये तो कोई इंसानियत नहीं हुई. अगर ऐसी बातों से किसी को गुस्सा आता है तो ये तो उसके पापी और दुराचारी होने की ही पुष्टि करता है. वरिष्ठ सदस्य कृपया ध्यान दें.
 
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The Real Growth

Dear Mr. Phogat,
I have no dispute with your growth numbers. But then these are just the numbers. A nation's economic strength lies in the infrastructure it has and the manufacturing it does. Maximum growth in India has been due to its emergence in the I T sector over the last two decades. But most of the revenue is generated due to the service we provide. Service industry will always remain subservient to the manufacturing industry. That is one issue.
You have rightly mentioned that we are supporting 120 crore people. I also agree with you that Govt does not have the magic stick to turn the events overnight. But let me draw some conclusions from your statements (which are more like proud claims) only. If I produce 10 Kgs of wheat which is the largest number in the world, but consume 15 kgs; I dont' have boast about it for I am still in debt. I think another member had already derived this point home.
Regarding; govts action. Any thing can happen over a period of time, if someone is talking about it or planning about it. You have mentioned 120 crores, these may be the recorded numbers, we do have crores of people who are not even documented in the census. We all know including our government, yet we don't think about population control, we don't talk about it and we don't have in our election menifestos. Why, because some one tried it and got out of power. Yes I am reminding you all about Mrs. Indira Gandhi. I agree, the approach taken by Mr. Sanjay Gandhi and Mr. Bansilal was little off beat, yet the work was beind done. Only thing that while we had the right policy we did not have an effective execution plan. It just became a number game among the government officials to get recognition and thus backfired. The problem is that in past 30 years no one has even dared to talk about it. If you don't think, if you don't plan, things don't happen, and then people make statement "Govt ke pas koi Jadu Ki Chadi to Nahin Hai".
Like it or not, we have a problem at home, like any other nation. But by just boasting about the growth rate a number that has nothing to do with the basic needs of the poor people across the nation unless that growth gets translated into building the infrastructure and providing basic necessities to the people. A growth rate that just builds the bank balance of a select few, really has no meaning in nation building. And that is the real issue I am trying to address.
As per your own statement, you don't know who will get benefited by the sale of CPSUE's that constitues 40% of the GDP; itself should be a matter of serious concerns. These growth rates are the numbers to get the vote by people, I would like if these numbers are used to fill pot holes in the roads, provide black boards in primary schools, and ensure people get at least clean drinking water. By virtue of my job in India, I had the privilege to travel in remote areas of the country, and let me assure you, Delhi is not India, nor is area around it.
 
Bhai Upender,

I just selected the non persons specific content from your post for reply. Aapki post padh kar mujhe ab yeh lagne laga hai ki aap sach mei bahut seedhe (bhole) insaan ho. Yeh ek achi baat hai, par bhai yeh duniya seedhe addmi ko chain se nahi jeene deti, yeh bhi aapko achi tarah se pata hai. Yeh bhi ek sachai hai ki yeh Satyug nahi Kalyug hai.

Now coming to your reply. After going through your reply it is clear that you are glorifying poverty and try to defend poverty over a better life. There is no doubt that a rich persons have their own problems but that in no way justify poverty. When I say poverty I really mean poor people, who are really poor.

1) Those kids and their families jinhe aap koode ke dher mei saaman dhoondte dekhte ho (plastic, papers, cans etc). Us kude ke dher ke paas se gujarte time aap or hum apni naak band kar lete hai.
2) Those families who send their kids to work in a roadside dhaba, cycle repair shop, or to work in homes; when they should be studying in govt run free schools and playing with other kids.
3) Those who has to sleep on roads in winter and some of them never wakes up and die due to cold; some of them get a BMW driven over by a rich kid.
4) Those rickshaw pullers in Calcutta who pulls Rickshaw using their body; dont know if you have ever been to calcutta and have seen it in action.

and now some little fortunate poors who live in slums or similar area. In Delhi itself there are 3 million people living in slums. They live in unhygenic conditions without having access to proper drinking water, electricity and sewage.

Check this youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dw2UQzvLk&feature=related

You can find more information on malnutrition here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition_in_India
Excerpt: The UN estimates that 2.1 million Indian children die before reaching the age of 5 every year – four every minute - mostly from preventable illnesses such as diarrhea, typhoid, malaria, measles and pneumonia. Every day, 1,000 Indian children die because of diarrhea alone.

Is sabke baad bhi aap poverty ko glorify karo to mere paas koi "tark" nahi bacha hai. Hamme sabse pehle jagruk hone ki jaroorat hai, agar hum padhe likhe log in sab par parda daalne ka kaam karenge to kaise kaam chalega. Mei yeh nahi kehta ki mei or aap kranti le aayenge, lekin jo ek vote aap daloge woh bhi agar aap in sab baaton ko dhyaan mei rakh kar daaloge to samjho wohi bahut hai.

माना कि हमें तरक्की करनी चाहिए, लोगों को गरीबी रेखा से ऊपर उठाने के लिए भी प्रयास करने चाहिए, लेकिन अगर कोई गरीबी रेखा के नीचे नहीं रहेगा तो भी जिंदगी की चुनौतियां समाप्त नहीं होंगी, ये तय है.
इस दुनिया में इस बात का बहुत महत्व है कि इंसान ने क्या किया, इस बात का कोई विशेष महत्व नहीं है कि वो अमीर था या गरीब. श्रीराम तो 14 साल तक घोर गरीबी में रहे. क्या होता है जंगल में रहना, समझते हो? वहाँ बारिश भी आएगी, गर्मी भी पड़ेगी, सर्दी भी पड़ेगी. कहाँ नहाओगे, कहाँ कपड़े धोओगे? बहुत मुश्किल है जंगल में रहना, गरीबी रेखा से नीचे रहने वाले लोगों की जिंदगी से भी ज्यादा मुश्किल. गुरु नानक कहाँ अमीर था? बुद्ध तो बिलकुल गरीब होकर जंगल में चला गया था. महावीर ने भी कुछ ऐसा ही किया था. गांधी तो ठेठ कंगाली में रहा. मैं ये नहीं कह रहा कि हमें गरीबी दूर करने के प्रयास नहीं करने चाहिए, लेकिन पश्चिमी देशों और वर्ल्ड बैंक जैसी संस्थाओं को ऐसी बातें नमक-मिर्च लगाकर पेश नहीं करनी चाहिए. अगर वे ऐसा करेंगे तो फिर हम भी उनसे ये पूछेंगे कि उन्होंने अमीर और तथाकथित विकसित होकर क्या पहाड़ तोड़ दिए?
हम गरीबी दूर करने के प्रयास कर रहे हैं. हमने अपने अस्तित्व को बचाने के लिए 947 साल तक संघर्ष किया है. हमें आज़ाद हुए सिर्फ 62 साल हुए हैं. सैकड़ों साल की क्षतिपूर्ति करने में समय तो लगेगा ही.
 
हम गरीबी दूर करने के प्रयास कर रहे हैं. हमने अपने अस्तित्व को बचाने के लिए 947 साल तक संघर्ष किया है. हमें आज़ाद हुए सिर्फ 62 साल हुए हैं. सैकड़ों साल की क्षतिपूर्ति करने में समय तो लगेगा ही.

Bhai, waise to hum apni naak par makhi nahi baithne dete, par jab baat achievement ki aati hai to hum bagle jhankne lagate hai. Angrezon ko kosne lagate hai.

Hum apne aap ko Japan se kyu nahi compare karte, they have 12 crore populations whereas we have 120 crore. Their land area is 1 / 10th of India. Now see their GDP numbers. Their GDP is 4.356 TRILLION USD whereas India's GDP is 1.2 TRILLION USD. Inspite of having the advantage of more population and area why we have less GDP then theirs? Bhai woh log bhi barbaad ho gaye they WW II mei. Everyone knows ki unke upar 2 atom bom bhi giraye gaye they. Another example is Germany. Usse bhi WW II mei Allied forces ne barbaad kar diya tha but today even they are far ahead of us inspite of having a small size in comparison to us.

Par bhai farak shayad yehi hai ki wahan shayad Madhu Koda, Reddy's, Mayawati, Chautala, jaise corrupt neta nahi hai, jinhe bas apni pockets bharne se hi fursat nahi hai.
 
Wow, everyone is busy doing tit for tat and this got buried somewhere on 5th page with no response whatsoever. Just bumping it up in case someone's interested in sane views.
no kapil, thats not the case. every body following the thread have gone through col sir's views. the onus was more on RI's to stand up and have the courage to elaborate their views, further.

... nd btw kapil, good morning !
 
We Resident Indian's (RI's) ABUSE our Freedom - I

India has been plundered by all and sundry since time immemorial and yet it survives. Muslims here have more liberty than what they have in S Arabia (Haath kaat diye jaate hain chori karne pe or yahaan Mr Kasab has biryani), Christians are free to propagate their faith and Parsis chose to settle here. Dalai Lama has been a ‘Bateau’ since 1959. Hindus here can follow whichever Baba they want to follow. Freedom is there all around. One can do whatever one wants to do. One can puke, crap, bathe or cook in the middle of a national highway and yet care two hoots. I love this land for it gives total freedom in the truest sense. No where in the world can such a mass of humanity survive by only demanding and not doing. Come to think of it, this is what real ‘Swaraj’ is. Frankly speaking, even if I had the opportunity I would not want to shift to any other land. 1500 rupiye mahinye mein teen naukar mil jyan sein. Kun bartan manje apne!
# are you talking of that freedom, where one, zips his fast car's power windows down and lets fly a whoosh of pan-laden spittle. while his children throw out lay's wrappers… after-all its my india, my freedom !

# are you talking of that freedom, where one, scribbles graffiti and makes his love… “आई लव यू प्रिया” immortal by putting his signatures on those historical monuments… after-all its my india, my freedom !

# are you talking of that freedom, where one, has no sense of lane discipline and feels proud zippping in that ‘brownian motion’ (zig-zag)… whoooosh !!! after-all its my india, my freedom ! (… and my roads)

… wait, if at all we have lane discipline…

# are you talking of that freedom, where one, shows you the finger for letting you know, that you are going slow on the fast lane… after-all its my india, my freedom !

# are you talking of that freedom, where one, honks his horn behind you, the minute the signal a mile ahead turns green… after-all its my india, my freedom !

# are you talking of that freedom, where culprits like 'afzal guru' are fed and nourished like ‘Bateau’ in our jails… after-all its my india, my freedom !

# are you talking of that freedom, where one, hardly thinks twice on the urge of the ‘nature call’ and pee’s on to the nearest wall/pole… after-all its my india, my freedom !

......................................... period !!!

malik sir,


with due regard and respect to your opinion, i am sorry, but i wont accept that sort of definition of 'freedom'. we indians don’t understand/appreciate the meaning of freedom, instead - we abuse our freedom. we understand better the language of ‘danda’… the problem is “that” is not being enforced. if “that” would have been enforced/implemented, (my) india would have been far better place to be proud of.

… to elaborate further, among the list above, i pick up one problem - : urinating and spitting
one of it, is natural and the other a choice. we’ve not taught ourselves at any stage of our lives to be responsible in these acts. whenever there is a nature call… there is no option (for us) but to release it at the most convenient pvt place at the earliest, or face the embarrassment by the release in our own stockings. so the obvious choice is a pvt place, a wall, a pole for example... and which gives you shelter from others who chance to see you in action. this has been the teaching from childhood that the whole world is a place where you can relieve yourself whenever you like. never ever does any parent or teacher say 'dont do this' !!!... because there is no choice. there is no other place where one can go in privacy and cleanliness to relieve. so from childhood or adolescence we take to the walls/poles for getting rid of the pressure. even if we have facilities, no one cares to respect cleanliness or tidiness.

the mantra goes like… get into your nike shoes… and “just do it” and get off of it. sorry to say, sir… but that is the attitude. please appreciate, i am not saying that i am 'दूध का धुला'. but i guess and IMHO i am better than the 90% of those as listed above.

the average citizen gloats about how he gave the traffic policeman a slip or how he ran across a railway track while the train was a few meters away !!!... and not to forget those formula 1 driver’s that are crawling all over our streets (esp. delhi). bikes, autos and even cars weave through the narrowest gap as if there is a race going on…

… and i also must stop here, or else i’ll go on and on…

mera bharat mahaan, i am the king !!!

[FONT=&quot]so, tell me sir… are you talking of this freedom ?
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is this what you call as our... ‘Swaraj’?

regards

brahm(it) tewatia
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We Resident Indian's (RI's) ABUSE our Freedom - II

... but don’t worry about India too much. The worst that can happen to us is that we can again become ‘Gulaam’. No problem, actually no other people have the experience of remaining ‘Gulaam’ as we have. JAT to Gulami mein bhi independent thay. Therefore, keep doing well wherever you are.

Best regards,

JS Malik
sir,

on one hand you have been so exuberant with the sort of freedom that you mentioned and on the other hand you are ready to be
‘Gulaam’. i hope you dont mean to say that if we are not given "THAT" sort of freedom... we are better off, being ‘Gulaam’ ?

my sanity is lost between the words of wisdom and my perception, would appreciate your further elaboration for my enlightenment.

regards

brahm(it) tewatia
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एक लम्बर का !!!
Lagta to in baaton se bhi kuch aisa hi hai...

बेहतर होगा कि भारतीय वहाँ काफी सतर्कता बरतें. ऐसे में मेरे पास एक बहुत ही बढ़िया सुझाव है. भारतीयों को चाहिए कि वे आत्मरक्षा के लिए कोई सामान साथ लेकर चलें. इसके लिए चिल्ली गार्ड स्प्रे एक काफी उपयोगी चीज सिद्ध हो सकती है.
http://www.chilliguard.com/
यदि किसी भारतीय को कुछ असामाजिक तत्त्व वहाँ घेर लेते हैं तो यह स्प्रे काफी काम आ सकता है. इसके हमले से हमलावर कई घंटे देख नहीं पायेगा. इसका फायदा उठाकर भारतीय उस हमलावर या हमलावरों को पीट तो सकता ही है, साथ ही पुलिस को भी बुलाने का मौका उसके पास रहेगा. साथ ही इसे रखना भी गैरकानूनी नहीं है. इसके लिए वहाँ क्या क़ानून है, यह देख लें. यह स्प्रे 4 -5 हमलावरों को भी पीछे हटने के लिए मजबूर कर देता है. दिल्ली में भी चूंकि झपटमारों और बुरे लोगों की कोई कमी नहीं है तो मैंने तो यह स्प्रे मंगवा लिया था और यह मेरे पास रहता है. चूंकि ऑस्ट्रेलियाई अभी भारतीयों पर अधिकतर मौकों पर जानलेवा हमला नहीं कर रहे हैं, इसलिए वहाँ भारतीयों को कोई ऐसा रास्ता ढूंढना चाहिए कि सांप भी मर जाए और लाठी भी ना टूटे. यह स्प्रे या ऐसा ही कुछ अन्य सामान साथ रखने से हमलावर को भी सबक मिल जाएगा और खुद को बचाने वाला कानून के पचड़े में भी नहीं पड़ेगा.
 
What n Idea sir ji

per je kolli bhar li suru me hi urr sprey nikal hi nayi payya to

Lagta to in baaton se bhi kuch aisa hi hai...

बेहतर होगा कि भारतीय वहाँ काफी सतर्कता बरतें. ऐसे में मेरे पास एक बहुत ही बढ़िया सुझाव है. भारतीयों को चाहिए कि वे आत्मरक्षा के लिए कोई सामान साथ लेकर चलें. इसके लिए चिल्ली गार्ड स्प्रे एक काफी उपयोगी चीज सिद्ध हो सकती है.
http://www.chilliguard.com/
यदि किसी भारतीय को कुछ असामाजिक तत्त्व वहाँ घेर लेते हैं तो यह स्प्रे काफी काम आ सकता है. इसके हमले से हमलावर कई घंटे देख नहीं पायेगा. इसका फायदा उठाकर भारतीय उस हमलावर या हमलावरों को पीट तो सकता ही है, साथ ही पुलिस को भी बुलाने का मौका उसके पास रहेगा. साथ ही इसे रखना भी गैरकानूनी नहीं है. इसके लिए वहाँ क्या क़ानून है, यह देख लें. यह स्प्रे 4 -5 हमलावरों को भी पीछे हटने के लिए मजबूर कर देता है. दिल्ली में भी चूंकि झपटमारों और बुरे लोगों की कोई कमी नहीं है तो मैंने तो यह स्प्रे मंगवा लिया था और यह मेरे पास रहता है. चूंकि ऑस्ट्रेलियाई अभी भारतीयों पर अधिकतर मौकों पर जानलेवा हमला नहीं कर रहे हैं, इसलिए वहाँ भारतीयों को कोई ऐसा रास्ता ढूंढना चाहिए कि सांप भी मर जाए और लाठी भी ना टूटे. यह स्प्रे या ऐसा ही कुछ अन्य सामान साथ रखने से हमलावर को भी सबक मिल जाएगा और खुद को बचाने वाला कानून के पचड़े में भी नहीं पड़ेगा.
 
Bhai yeo tey videsh mein hee kaam aa sakey hai yahan India mein to saarey tamnchey liyea haandy hai wo tey dekh tey eak kimmey nikaal raya hai tad-tad ker dengey.......ha..ha..ha..ha.. so Bhai videsh mein rehney waloon key liyea badhiyea hai specially Australia mein rehney walon key liyea.
 
Found something interesting about India...
http://www.ndtv.com/news/cities/hoodas_host_lunch_for_20000_in_rohtak.php

Haryana CM's son is getting married second time. They invited almost 20000 people. There are pics attached and you can see that they are using Home Gas cylinders instead of commercial cylinders (Non-subsidized)

I talked with couple of people and whole city is jammed like anything. Police forces are in abundance at marriage venue as they are expecting some high profile guests...

Is there anything called accountability??

Gross misuse of govt funds..

It may not be related to ongoing discussions of this thread. I was watching bbc and British govt asked MPs to repay the exorbitant expense claims they claimed from Govt exchequer. Another new was related to Iraq ware Inquiry, Parliamentary pannel questioned everybody involved in talking Britian to Iraq war. People like Tony Blair faced really tough questions from the panel.

I think they were just trying to convey the message to the residents that everybody is accountable for their actions/decisions.

I don't know when we'll achieve this type of transparent approach in country.

Recently 25 jawans were massacred by Maoists in West Bengal. Maoist guy claimed responsibility of killings. Same Maoist leader is a very good friend of our Railway Minister Mamta ji..

We need to overhaul the administrative setup and we need to do it asap before it explodes.
 
sorry Brahm , my patience ran out on the second page :( Don't worry I will gather more courage and come back and read the posts ( for your's sake :p).

Anyways , I would probably fill this post with a couple of questions:
1) You asked whether NRIs have committed a sin , I would very politely ask : " With reference to ?" , one cannot judge their actions and behavior in isolation.
2) Now that I guess that your answer to 1) is RIs , I would say so what is it that they do differently from RIs? I belive most people's most priority item(though they themselves do not know or at least would not agree!) is to survive , to progress themselves , their family , their resource base. NRIs do the same probably. Anything different?

I will be crushed for behing humanistic here , but how different are people from each other? Categorisation of people is not all based on their color , creed , race (yes it is based to some extent!) but more on people's personal preferences. And specially Indian (and I am couting RIs + NRIs) should think on this game somewhat. A very simple question for all who believe that NRIs have done something wrong or are in anyways different : Do you like all 100+ crores of Indian folks who live in India? Do you like all those you know? Dont' you have favorites? Dont' you have personal preferences?

Well if you have then you better not talk anything against NRIs, they arre where they are because of their personal preferences , as simple as that.

PS: The argument is same if you replace the roles of RIs and NRIs. (Kapil wahts the tech term for a reverse proof ?).

QED.
 
Dear Mr. Phogat,
I have no dispute with your growth numbers. But then these are just the numbers. A nation's economic strength lies in the infrastructure it has and the manufacturing it does. Maximum growth in India has been due to its emergence in the I T sector over the last two decades. But most of the revenue is generated due to the service we provide. Service industry will always remain subservient to the manufacturing industry. That is one issue.
You have rightly mentioned that we are supporting 120 crore people. I also agree with you that Govt does not have the magic stick to turn the events overnight. But let me draw some conclusions from your statements (which are more like proud claims) only. If I produce 10 Kgs of wheat which is the largest number in the world, but consume 15 kgs; I dont' have boast about it for I am still in debt. I think another member had already derived this point home.
Regarding; govts action. Any thing can happen over a period of time, if someone is talking about it or planning about it. You have mentioned 120 crores, these may be the recorded numbers, we do have crores of people who are not even documented in the census. We all know including our government, yet we don't think about population control, we don't talk about it and we don't have in our election menifestos. Why, because some one tried it and got out of power. Yes I am reminding you all about Mrs. Indira Gandhi. I agree, the approach taken by Mr. Sanjay Gandhi and Mr. Bansilal was little off beat, yet the work was beind done. Only thing that while we had the right policy we did not have an effective execution plan. It just became a number game among the government officials to get recognition and thus backfired. The problem is that in past 30 years no one has even dared to talk about it. If you don't think, if you don't plan, things don't happen, and then people make statement "Govt ke pas koi Jadu Ki Chadi to Nahin Hai".
Like it or not, we have a problem at home, like any other nation. But by just boasting about the growth rate a number that has nothing to do with the basic needs of the poor people across the nation unless that growth gets translated into building the infrastructure and providing basic necessities to the people. A growth rate that just builds the bank balance of a select few, really has no meaning in nation building. And that is the real issue I am trying to address.
As per your own statement, you don't know who will get benefited by the sale of CPSUE's that constitues 40% of the GDP; itself should be a matter of serious concerns. These growth rates are the numbers to get the vote by people, I would like if these numbers are used to fill pot holes in the roads, provide black boards in primary schools, and ensure people get at least clean drinking water. By virtue of my job in India, I had the privilege to travel in remote areas of the country, and let me assure you, Delhi is not India, nor is area around it.

Col Saab,

Latest IIP figures released are 16.80% growth rate- Manufacturing Sector
If u remember around 2-3 yrs ago we were talking abut Oil for Food with some Oil generat
ing companies do u think govt was talking abut this without having enough food resources, i hav no idea what happen to that proposal. We r exporters of agri products ek aadh saal exception ley saktey hain.

I hav seen
kids of an farmer is becoming Egr,
Kids of an Chaprasi beocming officers,
an rikshawpuller is able give his childrens good education

Do u still think that benefit of progress do not goes to lower level

You talks abut Infra & corruption
Corruption is not an Indian specific issue
If you look at expenditure incc in 10 th & 11th five year plan on Infra & Energy sector you will get the answer, I hav no doubt on results of that.
 
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