Parliamentary panel for airport at Jhajjar

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Just sharing this news, No intention of CHAPLOSI ;); there are indeed some efforts that everyone can figure out if its good or bad accordingly. ​


Parliamentary panel for airport at Jhajjar
Tribune News Service​

Chandigarh, August 12
The dream of having an international airport within the National Capital Region (NCR) falling in Haryana may turn into a reality.
The Parliamentary Consultative Committee on Civil Aviation, where the issue was raised by Rohtak MP Deepender Singh Hooda, has recommended the setting up of an international airport at Jhajjar in Haryana as it felt that Delhi required more than one airport. The committee met in Delhi yesterday.
Earlier, Hooda had urged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in December last to use his good offices with the civil aviation ministry for setting up a greenfield airport-cum-cargo air complex within the NCR falling in Haryana.
Hooda had pleaded that the new airport would cater to low-cost passenger services, air cargo, private operators, helicopter services and aircraft maintenance services in an area of 4,347 acres in Jhajjar district.
The site is located in Mandothi, Jakhoda, Rohad, Saidpur and Tanda Heri villages in Bahadurgarh tehsil near the intersection of the NH-10 and the Kundli Manesar Palwal (KMP) expressway. Hooda had also urged the Prime Minister to ask the ministry to review the norm which prohibited the setting up of an airport within a radius of 150 km of an existing airport. The airport at Jhajjar would be within 150 km of the existing airport at Delhi. The government has recently revised the policy allowing the construction of a new airport within 150 km of the existing one, subject to permission from the cabinet.


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No matter the MP is from which party, but such representation and efforts must be there from all sides whether they are in opposition. Its always good to see the person speaking there in parliament. I have heard JP once speaking in parliament few years ago and now Deepender. Else all go there and come without much national recognition and courage to speak even.
 
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bahut acchi khabar hai hooda saab

hooda sarkar bahut acche kaam ker rahi hai kaffi jagha per
 
jitendershooda said:
No matter the MP is from which party, but such representation and efforts must be there from all sides whether they are in opposition. Its always good to see the person speaking there in parliament. I have heard JP once speaking in parliament few years ago and now Deepender. Else all go there and come without much national recognition and courage to speak even.
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Dear Jitender Ji,

That is the difference a good education makes to a leader. Deepender can live in the shadow of his father or make his own identity.

I don't know the basis of ruling of not having another airport within 150 KM of an existing airport, but I am sure it might have to do some thing with the air space management and safety. The aircrafts while taking of and landing need a safety cusion and that must not be compromised at any cost. May be it would have been a good idea to have an international airport outside this safety region even if it does not fall within the NCR.
 
raj2rif said:
Dear Jitender Ji,

That is the difference a good education makes to a leader. Deepender can live in the shadow of his father or make his own identity.

I don't know the basis of ruling of not having another airport within 150 KM of an existing airport, but I am sure it might have to do some thing with the air space management and safety. The aircrafts while taking of and landing need a safety cusion and that must not be compromised at any cost. May be it would have been a good idea to have an international airport outside this safety region even if it does not fall within the NCR.
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Tewatia ji,

I shared this news as I felt good to find him speaking and taking some steps at centre level. Which were missing by the earlier MPs ... whether they were from govt side or opposition.

Yes, you are right education makes good difference in a leader and his approaches.

Dont know much about the other technical aspects that you figured out regarding safety cusion but feel that they might have consulted some experts before this or even the authority will provide clearance only after some checks.

I googled for airports in UK but didnt found any issues for this ... or might be they have taken other measures ....

"The distance from Heathrow Airport to Luton Airport is 36 miles/58 km via the M25 or 28.3 miles/45.5 km in a straight line.

London Heathrow and Gatwick airports are located approximately 30 miles apart, and it is necessary to travel between them by bus.

Heathrow to birmingham (from luton is much lesser)
This is equivalent to 150 kilometers or 81 nautical miles.

http://www.airportguides.co.uk/
Airports very near to heathrow
Gatwick
Heathrow
Luton
London Biggin Hill
London City
London Southend
Stansted

There are around 10 airports within distance of 150 kms in UK"

yes, you are right that all these steps should be taken keeping infra in mind for the coming decades.
 
Luton and gatwick airport are extension of heathrow airport..
these are considered as london airports.

beised these airports , london city also have one airport.

this 150 km restriction comes when govt. provide maintainance work of airports to GMR group.

and GMR group doesn't want to loose any revenue to any other new airport..



jitendershooda said:
Tewatia ji,

I shared this news as I felt good to find him speaking and taking some steps at centre level. Which were missing by the earlier MPs ... whether they were from govt side or opposition.

Yes, you are right education makes good difference in a leader and his approaches.

Dont know much about the other technical aspects that you figured out regarding safety cusion but feel that they might have consulted some experts before this or even the authority will provide clearance only after some checks.

I googled for airports in UK but didnt found any issues for this ... or might be they have taken other measures ....

"The distance from Heathrow Airport to Luton Airport is 36 miles/58 km via the M25 or 28.3 miles/45.5 km in a straight line.

London Heathrow and Gatwick airports are located approximately 30 miles apart, and it is necessary to travel between them by bus.

Heathrow to birmingham (from luton is much lesser)
This is equivalent to 150 kilometers or 81 nautical miles.

http://www.airportguides.co.uk/
Airports very near to heathrow
Gatwick
Heathrow
Luton
London Biggin Hill
London City
London Southend
Stansted

There are around 10 airports within distance of 150 kms in UK"

yes, you are right that all these steps should be taken keeping infra in mind for the coming decades.
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jitenderbhai
I fully agree with you that Mr deepender has made is own personality,he is putting his best effort for an all round development of our region,we all should thanks him for his deeds.
 
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The idea of a new airport was floated some time back - see thread International Airport at Bahadurgarh (Haryana)...? . Discussion in this thread took place in August 2007 and most members expressed anxiety over the large area of rich agricultural land which would be turned into a concrete jungle after the airport project sets off.

This proposed area is in Jhajjar district, but not near Jhajjar city. This is close to Bahadurgarh, and is just a few kilometres away from Delhi border. From IGI Airport, it is hardly 35-40 kilometer away.

By the way, the UP Government is also trying to get permission for construction of an international airport at Greater Noida.
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dndeswal said:
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The idea of a new airport was floated some time back - see thread International Airport at Bahadurgarh (Haryana)...? . Discussion in this thread took place in August 2007 and most members expressed anxiety over the large area of rich agricultural land which would be turned into a concrete jungle after the airport project sets off.

This proposed area is in Jhajjar district, but not near Jhajjar city. This is close to Bahadurgarh, and is just a few kilometres away from Delhi border. From IGI Airport, it is hardly 35-40 kilometer away.

By the way, the UP Government is also trying to get permission for construction of an international airport at Greater Noida.
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Dear Deshwal Ji,

Thank you very much for the information. I was wondering why do we need so many international airport in close proximity. Obviously the construction of an International Airport would bring a lot of jobs and development to the area. If that be so, then why develop a developed area? Why not have an International Airport in Loharu, Bhiwani, Sirsa/Hissar areas of Haryana and Badaun Shahjahanpur, or Jhansi areas of UP?

May be some one can throw a little light on this issue.
 
raj2rif said:
Dear Deshwal Ji,

Thank you very much for the information. I was wondering why do we need so many international airport in close proximity. Obviously the construction of an International Airport would bring a lot of jobs and development to the area. If that be so, then why develop a developed area? Why not have an International Airport in Loharu, Bhiwani, Sirsa/Hissar areas of Haryana and Badaun Shahjahanpur, or Jhansi areas of UP?

May be some one can throw a little light on this issue.
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Dear Tewatia Ji,

You are right that the best place for airport can be in some undeveloped area and by this means that area will also be developed and thus keeping the agricultural land intact. Dont know if it is feasible as there can be many constraints.

1) Political - Might be some political view is there behind it.
2) Infra - Developing an infra upto that remote place will also be there if they will chose a land somewhere in loharu etc.

I just remember that this govt has taken two good steps in the starting ...
a) 6 lane from delhi to rohtak .... but it is still under files despite being both congress govts.. Kabhi Forest dept ... to kabhi koe aur ...
b) Sainik school/university in rewari was to be inagurated some day and till that day the clearance was not been sent by forest dept for the cutting of some hundred trees.

Dont know the reality but feels that the depts and people of other parties sitting there dont let the govt to do dev works even.

Aur pahele ki suni sunai .... jab bansi lal railway minister they to vidyutikaran ki baat chali (shayad EMU) thi delhi wali line ki ... bansi lal was stiff to take it to bhiwani ... but dept said that it can be till rohtak .... na hon di Bansi lal ne ... aur eeb jake iss govt mein baat banegi dikhey ... so mein te nue kahun sun ek je yo aata ho er aur kite dikkat manne sarkar lyan ne ... to aan dena chahiye ... kade iss pasho-pesh mein hade te bhi ja :)

To ho sakta hai ki iss terah ki kuch adchane uneh deekhti hongi. But still what you have said is right ... and we as can do something from JL also ...

1) Members like you and Dharampal ji who are abroad can write letter to Deepender at his address 9 Pant marg, New Delhi - 110 001.
2) Senior members like Jagmohan ji, Dev Dahiya, DND ji along with some youngers like Kuldeep etc and others who are there in and around delhi can discuss this among themselves and meet him personally. May this help.
3) Also RK kalkhande ji can put this to his ears being close to them.
 
Infrastructure development - A long pending requirement of the area

Dear Jitender Bhai,

No doubt, a very good and informative post by you. Though, as mentioned by Deshwalji, the airport proposal has been hanging on for quite some time now. As you and some other members rightly said, all the difference lies in well informed and educated leaders taking up the causes of their respective regions with the central government. In this context, there are lot of hopes and expectations from Deepender which I am sure he will be able to meet in the times to come.

Having said that, what needed to precede an international airport in the region was a well connected and maintained network of roads and railways in entire Haryana which unfortunately is lacking to a great extent (except for a national highway). Besides these, we need to have flyovers over railway crossings in case we need to provide hasslefree and time-saving travel to passengers criss-crossing the state. Its very normal to get stuck up in traffic jams in Delhi/NCR during office hours for 1-2 hours every day especially when it rains. Similarly, there has been flooding in Panipat and I think even in Sirsa during these monsoons.

Lets have airports but before that we need to have the very basic infrastructure including well maintained roads, drainage etc, etc, in today's world which is galloping at a very fast pace in economic terms. What cannot be understood in today's context is - why is the phrase 'infrastructure development' used to emphasise upon high price and high rise housing projects and malls and not on the actual infrastructure which includes roads, railways, ports, flyovers, dams, airports (if it is actually needed by the residents of the area) etc, etc.

I am sure Deependra will take note of these issues as well and make the residents of the state a happier and contented lot...
 
Kadian bhai bahut sahi kaho so ... Gurgame mein raho ho aap ... er bus service ee dekh lyo ... er badh ki aur kite ki ke gudgame ka ee haal bura tha ... sec 4,7,9,10 to katiye unplanned se hein ... koe drainage nahi ... er kera kad jake jitna aadmi soche hai utni efficiency aavegi ...

bhai yo sab sahi hon mein to bera na kukar ke er kun karega .... haan jitna kare usne sarah ke aadmi ne aur karan ne protsahit karo. Er wa EMU aali baat se ... je bansi laal na aadta to kad ki aa leti ... aan dyo jo aave na to baat jagi 20 saal ne .... Navin Gulia bhai kahya kare ek agar koe doosra kuch positive karan lag rahya hai to karan dyo usne even though aap nue samjho so ek kuch aur pahelyan karna chahiye .... to wahe baat se haan its the farz of a good welwisher of india to guide/tell them but if they still go with it in bahadurgarh (say by their political motives) then its ok ... let them do ... agar eeb nue debate mein bade rahe ki yo te door hona chahiye to manmanne agle 20 saal bhi na aave ...
 
All round development required

Well Jitender bhai,

I would have been happier if Deepender would have also initiated the setting up of highly subsidised world class Public Schools both at the primary and secondary levels for the children of the rural folk which would have produced in the times to come educated and well informed citizens of tomorrow just like him, would have sponsored bright students from rural background to institutions of higher learning both in India and abroad, provided the requisite training facilities to locals for generating the manpower required for the planned airport and many such projects of the future.

Whatever is said above, need not happen in isolation, but can precede or even take place simultaneously along with the approval and planning phases of such ambitious projects. Most of us have not got into the story behind the success of the Chinese in the field of Science and Technology so much so that it has gone on to become the world's manufacturing and production hub. If I am not wrong, in the 1970s China financially sponsored hoardes of Chinese students to undertake higher studies in the west particularly the US and return and contribute towards its quest to become one of the leading players in the global arena. And here we have the Chinese going from strength to strength. This is just an example of the role that education can play in any region's development - Actual development and not just the development in terms of Glass, concrete and steel structures all around.
 
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skadian123 said:
Well Jitender bhai,

I would have been happier if Deepender would have also initiated the setting up of highly subsidised world class Public Schools both at the primary and secondary levels for the children of the rural folk which would have produced in the times to come educated and well informed citizens of tomorrow just like him, would have sponsored bright students from rural background to institutions of higher learning both in India and abroad, provided the requisite training facilities to locals for generating the manpower required for the planned airport and many such projects of the future.
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Sunil bhai you are right if we talk about what SHOULD be then there are lots and lots of things that needs to be there and if they are delayed now even then it will be really hard to compete at international level and social problems will increase.

For the thing you mentioned above once I heard some good class schools and that too Subsidised or free(dont know much though just heard) in around 30 villages in Rewari-Kosali Side have been planned with Bharti. But that too now gone under some controversies as per CPM rohtak. Dont know what is the intention or reallity behind. (Here one thing came to my mind that there must be some site from Govt side where each and every new start or new starts should be mentioned with full details so that aam janta can know about what is the reallity. Politics is such cheap and even sometimes Media for their popularity amends the truth)
 
Bhai sahi kadam te sahraya e jaaga... bhagwaan kare ki yeh project successful ho aur haryana ki tarakki mein char chaand lagein !!! Shubhkaamnayein !!!
 
There are so many specifications for a new airport to be established.

No airport with 150 km (80 Nautical Mile, 1NM=1.85km or 1 min distace of longitude at equator) in INDIA.
This distance depends upon what sort of communication equippments we are using for tactical air navigation.
Generally we use in INDIA VOR with a colocated DME (VOR=VHF Omni Range Radar) & DME (distance measuring euippment).
As of now we are not using airborne GPS enabled Air Navigation for Air Traffic Control purposes.

Other than that there are as many as 100s of specification for a new airport to come.
Most important of them are as follows

1. Minimum seperation between aircrafts in that FIR (Flight Information Region)
2. Approach path
3. Take off path
4. Geographical issues
5. Holding procedures
6. VAD constraints
& many many more...


If two airports are very near it creats lots of problems for ATC to keep the mandatory seperation between aircrafts for it's safety.
When it comes to aviation SAFETY comes at first priority.
then Orderly flow of traffic & then Expeditious movement of air traffic.



When airctarft come in the appraoch phase of landing it come with 50 nm to 30 nm circle around that airport. i.e. 60-100 kms
Afterwards they start descending in height in orderly manner with a minimum vertical seperation of 1000 ft between two aircrafts.
Our INDIAN FIRs are having jurisdiction only upto 46000 feet.
& after 40,000ft only level 41000, 43000 & 45000 are available.
As we know Air Traffic is growing day in day out so it become very difficult for ATCOs to keep the seperation without delay.
Same thing happens to the outgonig aircrafts being in ascending phase.
If an airport come very near to the existing one then there would be risk of Flight Level conflicts we call it Air Miss which is treated as a significant incident.
Having airports within less than 150 km will make the conflicting traffic in Ascending & Descending phase.

However if some appropriate authority approve it this 150km constraint can come to 90-100 km but not less than that.
It if comes less than 90-100 km then Take off & Landing procedures at both the airports have to changed which will take lot of time may be months or years.

Heathrow or Gatwick etc etc they are having some reduced seperation minima because of having more accurate Comm euipp & better resourses which made it easy for them of having another airport near to the existing one.
On the other hand they are having more than one Runway at most of the airports. some are having as many as 6 Runways which they use simultaneously.
INDIA will also be in that phase some years later.


Many more things to discuss...

Rahul
Jr Executive (ATC)
Airports Authority of India
CSI Airport Mumbai
 
Development actually is not bad and should be supported wholeheartedly. But how would one define development?

Does development only mean having glass and concrete jungles (buildings) all around or does it mean having well educated citizens who can make the right choices and who can distinguish right from wrong. It is and has never been in the interest of the politicians to see the people become educated and well informed. They have always taken the route of playing gimmicks to dupe the poor and innocent electorates.

Yeh to wahi baat hui - Registaan (Desert) mein kissi ko zor kee pyaas lagi ho aur aap usko paani ke badle 5 Star Hotel ka khana paroso. What we need is development starting from the grassroots level which is from bottom to top and not necessarily from top to bottom because as was highlighted by the famous example outlined by the late PM Rajiv Gandhi, we all know -out of Rupee 1 the government spends how many paise (benefits) reach the common man.

We need not criticize Deepender, but as the people who elected him can at least ask him to also provide us the basic facilities and infrastructure which should have been provided in the first place without us asking for it. I am sure the small town people and simple peasant folk need better education (School level), Housing, sewage, drainage, entrepreneural opportunities more than INTERNATIONAL airports and Casinos (you never know tomorrow some politician may come up with the concept of a Casino in Haryana).
 
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crsnadar said:
There are so many specifications for a new airport to be established.

No airport with 150 km (80 Nautical Mile, 1NM=1.85km or 1 min
Heathrow or Gatwick etc etc they are having some reduced seperation minima because of having more accurate Comm euipp & better resourses which made it easy for them of having another airport near to the existing one.
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Thanks Rahul for this nice information.

skadian123 said:
Development actually is not bad and should be supported wholeheartedly. But how would one define development?

Does development only mean having glass and concrete jungles (buildings) all around or does it mean having well educated citizens who can make the right choices and who can distinguish right from wrong. It is and has never been in the interest of the politicians to see the people become educated and well informed. They have always taken the route of playing gimmicks to dupe the poor and innocent electorates.

Yeh to wahi baat hui - Registaan (Desert) mein kissi ko zor kee pyaas lagi ho aur aap usko paani ke badle 5 Star Hotel ka khana paroso. What we need is development starting from the grassroots level which is from bottom to top and not necessarily from top to bottom because as was highlighted by the famous example outlined by the late PM Rajiv Gandhi, we all know -out of Rupee 1 the government spends how many paise (benefits) reach the common man.

We need not criticize Deepender, but as the people who elected him can at least ask him to also provide us the basic facilities and infrastructure which should have been provided in the first place without us asking for it. I am sure the small town people and simple peasant folk need better education (School level), Housing, sewage, drainage, entrepreneural opportunities more than INTERNATIONAL airports and Casinos (you never know tomorrow some politician may come up with the concept of a Casino in Haryana).
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I appreciate your thoughts Kadian bhai. You are right that the learned or better to say the wiser ones who knows what is right and what is wrong must take part in the progress of state or country. They either meet up the representative or atleast write to them it may have some affect on them. You are right that most of the moves in states or centre are politically influenced. Even the opposition of the moves is also always political to bring bad name to the govt and never the opposition show courage to clap for the good done. I have never heard any constructive move from the opposition members that they have met CM or MP to discuss about the pros-cons. Here on JL also there are few young gen opposition members who should have done that as they are into it and it would be constructive rather than rallying for nothing but politics.

In this case also if few people will discuss this and go to meet him I am sure there must be some outcome. Either the People will came to know the facts that they are not having clear picture now or the MP will provide a thought on this. Now as Rahul provided the clear picture of the technicalities so either centre is going to bring some changes in IG airport as already there is massive work going on there for its extension. Dont know what it is for .... but there might be some adavance tech is going to be introduced .... or some more runways etc.
Also we are also not having clear picture why he is stiff on this area only to go for the airport? These only can come when either there is some platform where each govt moves are well depicted or debated. Or we approach them to discuss all these. But atleast it is good to find MP taking some steps rather going there and come after good sleep as earlier did.

Now you have said that first provide basics then go for high. I feel in todays world they should go side by side. Looking at the political structure that has been build in decades we cant think of someone who would change at once but atleast there should be some chunks of steps forward towards this. Eeb to agar koe iss gandagi ne saaf karega to usne iss keechad mein bad ke ee thoda thoda karna padega kyonki ek dum te je sidhanvadi ban gya to agli bar naa ana.

Also one more thing .... its a two way game ... eeb unke paas wo log hi chakkar kat-te hein jinhe apne personal kaam karvane hote hein ... and they go for them .... jab aise log mandali bana ke unse sawal jawab karenge ki ye kyon aur wo kyon nahi ... tab jake uneh thoda dar paida hoga ki kuch aacha karna chahiye .... even I say for me ... I discuss and write to them rarely... or never took any initiative to build some group who study such moves and meet them without any personal interest to get it done though we have met once for JJ and not for other progressive issues. Also in one of the debates Yatinder said here that people are also lacking responsibility its not only govt that can do all magic but there must be some help from people. Wo aap ho sakte hein, mein ho sakta hun, Senior members like tewatia ji, Dharampalji, Dev, Dnd ho sakte hein.

Doctor Ranvir Dahiya a member of this forum once said that I am wondered how these politicians have divided the society. A person of same stature is having same kind of problems but they never come forward to go for a rally for those forgetting their caste and creeds. But they rally easily for the caste-creed thing though these groups themselves have so many diversities in their problems. Like reservation and other issues we can hear voices but very rarely hear any voice or movement for such problems. though we can go for those also if there is already a wrong system inplace but the latter should also be there.

Anil Sangwan bhai ... wo aapke gaon ki taraf Kosali mein ghane ee gamman mein inneh ek bharti ke sath aache schools with less fees or no fees shuru kiya hai ... aap bataiyo kime boojh ke bera patte to details .... pros-cons both.
 
Delhi airport gets the longest runway today

Le bhai Rahul teri sun li sarkar ne dikhey .... Rahul we all are having no knowledge of any kind of such instruments mentioned here .... perhaps you could better dig into it and enlighten us if they are the ones those you were talking about .... means will after all these instruments the 150 km limit can be reduced? And if so then upto how much kms?

Ek aur suni thi manne pachle saal ek apne dhore Smog ya FOG ke liye equipments nahi hein aur na hi pilots trained for these? So please put some light on that also .... perhaps if they are doing this much expansion then these kind of facilities would also be installed.

Please reply ....

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http://www.ibnlive.com/news/delhi-airport-gets-a-new-runway-today/71711-3.html

Delhi airport gets the longest runway today

New Delhi:The Delhi Airport is all ready to unveil the country's longest runway on Thursday. The runway is more than four thousand meters long which makes it the country's largest one.

The new runway will also have advanced instrument landing system, which allows aircraft to land in visibility as low as 50 metres. DIAL upgraded several new aircraft parking stands to meet this standard.
Over 650,000 tonnes of asphalt concrete has been used, which, according to the DIAL official, could have built 75 km of six-lane expressway.

The new runway is expected to nearly double the airport's peak hour capacity from 35-40 aircraft movements currently to about 75. Currently, the two existing parallel runways handle nearly 700 flights a day.

Yet, the hovering time, which has come down with measures such as adding rapid exit taxiways that allow aircraft to move away from the runway faster, and reducing time between two flight take-offs, is still about 20 minutes.

The runway will be equipped with a new CAT 2 B instrument landing system to facilitate landing during poor visibility. This runway can also handle big aircrafts like the Airbus A380 and also the Antonov AN-225.


The inaugural ceremony will start on Thursday with the landing of an Air India aircraft. Two brand new fire engines are expected to give it a grand water cannon welcome. The first commercial test flight is slated for August 21st.
 
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