Poverty of Soul

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pscil said:
A man incapable of loving himself cannot love anyone else. Love is the coming together of two complete individuals, who are at peace with themselves. The self is the closet thing to dharam that I can think of in the english language.
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Who doesnt love oneself.... rather loves more than anyone else.....thenceforth the selfish intersts cave in.
 
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rkumar said:
Rarely I have come across a person who does not love himself or herself. Those who hate themselves, either hang or get reformed till they love themselves. Lovingoneself can be called illuson or mirror gazing also. Real test of a person is in loving others I suppose.

RK^2
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Mein vikhandvad mein nahin padta:p
 
neels said:
Then the question arises....whom the person loves more... himself or anyone else... and hence the selfish intersts would cave in.
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Mam love is not a race abour more or less jitna bhi mil jaya bhoot hai. Baniya ke tool thode na chal rahi hai.love is about giving, and only he can give give who has something
 
Listen to your Heart...

...it always shows you the path.

But being a social creature there is some way of treading along the path.
Different people so different ways of treading.
 
crsnadar said:
Different people so different ways of treading.
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Well said Rahul....n being a Psychologist I should understand the individual differences the most. Different people, different thought process, different opinions... Nothing Right, Nothing Wrong.
 
pscil said:
Mam love is not a race abour more or less jitna bhi mil jaya bhoot hai. Baniya ke tool thode na chal rahi hai.love is about giving, and only he can give give who has something
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Didn't mean that Sir... but a question comes to mind,,,as they say love shud be selfless... if one loves oneself most... how can he love others selflessly.
I believe Love is being selfless, considering more of the interests, likings, happiness of the person one loves,,,, but when one is more directed towards self,,, for him his interests are above all.

Just a thought,,, not to offend your opinion.
 
neels said:
Didn't mean that Sir... but a question comes to mind,,,as they say love shud be selfless... if one loves oneself most... how can he love others selflessly.
I believe Love is being selfless, considering more of the interests, likings, happiness of the person one loves,,,, but when one is more directed towards self,,, for him his interests are above all.

Just a thought,,, not to offend your opinion.
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Neelam mai Sir nahin hu. You and me are saying the samething.You need to understand yourself only then you can do something for others. Man as they say is his own greatest enemy. Apne ko mar ke doosro ko khushi dena angrezi mein sadomaschoism kehta hai purane hindi filmo mein dekhte the
 
pscil said:
Neelam mai Sir nahin hu. You and me are saying the samething.You need to understand yourself only then you can do something for others. Man as they say is his own greatest enemy. Apne ko mar ke doosro ko khushi dena angrezi mein sadomaschoism kehta hai purane hindi filmo mein dekhte the
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Crisp and simple.GOOD ONE.
 
Its really gud to see a healthy and genuine discussion after a long time...

Well I feel that if one love oneself than they surely have lot more to offer others. Once you have experienced the feeling of loving yourself...nd by loving I do not think it means being selfish.....One should be true to oneself....and when you are in love you rarely think of what you are getting...What you get and what you don´t is probably something you look in relationships and not in love....
You feel the goodness and peace within you...and you want to share and spread that feeling to everyone around you. One just feel like seeing and making everyone else to be as happy as the person themself felt.....
 
shashiverma said:
Its really gud to see a healthy and genuine discussion after a long time...

Well I feel that if one love oneself than they surely have lot more to offer others. Once you have experienced the feeling of loving yourself...nd by loving I do not think it means being selfish.....One should be true to oneself....and when you are in love you rarely think of what you are getting...What you get and what you don´t is probably something you look in relationships and not in love....
You feel the goodness and peace within you...and you want to share and spread that feeling to everyone around you. One just feel like seeing and making everyone else to be as happy as the person themself felt.....
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So very true.This feeling is divine...very few have access to that as it requires a clear understanding of one's conscience and aatama.It is altogether a different awakening.It is simple for those who are kind but impossible for those who are polluted from with in.
 
neels said:
Didn't mean that Sir... but a question comes to mind,,,as they say love shud be selfless... if one loves oneself most... how can he love others selflessly.
I believe Love is being selfless, considering more of the interests, likings, happiness of the person one loves,,,, but when one is more directed towards self,,, for him his interests are above all.

Just a thought,,, not to offend your opinion.
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Neelam loving yourself and loving others mein contradiction nahin hai. It is seeing reality from a dialogical point of view and not from a monological perspective. The monological pespective was the reason why Newton could not fully understand the complexity of nature, which Einstien managed to reveal. We use simultaneously the classical mechanics of newton and the relativity of Einstien. Both theories are true at the same time but not on the same level.
 
pscil said:
Neelam loving yourself and loving others mein contradiction nahin hai. It is seeing reality from a dialogical point of view and not from a monological perspective. The monological pespective was the reason why Newton could not fully understand the complexity of nature, which Einstien managed to reveal. We use simultaneously the classical mechanics of newton and the relativity of Einstien. Both theories are true at the same time but not on the same level.
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Very True.
 
Love is the spiritual self within us, where we feel peace of mind to see or make someone happy.
A person who loves oneself is the happiest one and only happy and contented people can see or make others people happy and hence can attain the sublime feeling of love.
Whenever there is such a spiritul bond, one can understand the feelings of loved ones without any word spoken out. Believe me, one can feel about someone being happy or sad even from thousands of miles away.:)
 
shashiverma said:
Its really gud to see a healthy and genuine discussion after a long time...

Well I feel that if one love oneself than they surely have lot more to offer others. Once you have experienced the feeling of loving yourself...nd by loving I do not think it means being selfish.....One should be true to oneself....and when you are in love you rarely think of what you are getting...What you get and what you don´t is probably something you look in relationships and not in love....
You feel the goodness and peace within you...and you want to share and spread that feeling to everyone around you. One just feel like seeing and making everyone else to be as happy as the person themself felt.....
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shashi u hit the nail on the head
 
Hats Off!!

Well, RK uncle Saluations n kudos to u! :)

Luv is a buzzword, n read thousands of articles about it but Uncleji this one was arguably the best explanation in very satisfying n simple words!! :)

You Rock uncleji!!

keep Guidin' & Enlighting' us with your wisdom!


Rock on
Jit

rkumar said:
all of us have some sort of description of what the love is all about. Let me attempt to put my version ;

" Like eight notes in music, we human being have these basic traits of Kam Krodth, lobh, moh, irsha..etc. Like skillful mixing of notes produces the music, same applies to the mixing of human traits in right amount. Like playing music , it needs lots of training to mix hum traits as well. Love between two persons is a coninuous play of human traits. One has to be extremely smart to play it well all the time. When we talk of love between two persons, it becomes a very complex issue. Both of them should be either naturally alike ( very rare indeed) or both must know how to play human traits in "Jugalbandi" to last it forever. There is one more possibily I can think. Its not necessary that both have to be equally skillful. If one is extremely skilful and another is just natural ( not manupulative), things work equally well. Volmes have been written on love because permutations and combinations of human traits is almost infinite.

Infatuation is intoxicating indeed, but unfortunately does not last long in most of the cases. However, it leaves behind some strong experince to learn and explore the deeper meaning of love or for that matter any other human emotion. Unfortunately not all people undergo through infatuation in their life. Like one needs good ears for music, one needs a very sensitive heart for love and a strong brain to identify different levels of human traits to mix them in right amounts. Like everyone can not be a musician, everyone can not be a great lover. In my view this the art of love."

RK^2
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A well know fact...

...We cann't always achieve all that we LOVE & wanna Possess.
LOVE doesn't accord you to Aquire what you LOVE.

Sometimes & Some situations in life enforce your larynx to LIE to carry out so many vital & ornamental changes in other's life. However denouements may spoil your life to some extent but...

...it's all up to you where you COMPROMISE & how far you COMPROMISE.
Isiliye Kabhi Kabhi Jhooth Bhi Bolna Padta Hai.......but samajhne waale samajh jaate hain.
 
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