Reservation versus Commonwealth Games

Stopping flow of water, untold misery to the ordinary people ; what sympathy the agitation, in the present form , is going to generate
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The views are come out of surrounding we are living, problems and challenges faced by us.
You need to put your foot in others shoe. Giving advice is easy. Ask them who deserve it and deprived.
Scholars with poor financial background lost there golden age and missed there career to reach knew highs.
We are waiting for reservation since 1991 and paid the cost by loosing the thousands of bright scholars career.
And the affect will be seen in there generations to come.

These criticizers on stopping water will not going to come out of there houses to support the movement even in peaceful rallies.
Ye sari...internet pe beth ke comment dene walo ki fauj se. If you able to prove us wrong, go for Gandhigiri.
Note from History: Remember Bhagat Singh party supported Lala Lajpat Rai ("Gandhigiri") against Simon go back. Everybody knows the consequences.

Reservation is long time demand of Jats since 1991. Don't extend the issue make it "NOW" or "NEVER".
"NOW" for Jat reservation and "NEVER" to Congress vote bank if they don't deliver.



It is actually amazing to see so many people agreeing selfishly with such arrogant and anti-social jat acts. When any other community does such a thing then we start pointing fingers and now we are following the same path. Jats are no more fighters, because now we are fighting in the shield of common citizens of India. And for what??? Reservation.. It is hilarious and as well as shameful. Well for the proponents of reservation I have a suggestion. If this blackmail doesn’t work then please form a terror organization and target innocent people. Why not hold the commonwealth athletes hostages? Those who are agreeing with such anti-social acts of holding the public at ransom, you have no rights to criticize maoists, islamic terrorist or Hindu extremist. Jats have lost the balls to fight head on in competition in the open category and this is the level that we have drooped to. India was fortunate to host Commonwealth games this time and instead of supporting out government to make it a success, we are doing everything to embarass our nation on the world stage.
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Bro by and large I agree with your views, if stopping water, electricity not work out... what next???
Fact is present action by Jats is not one day decision. We wait for long more than 20 years. Is this the test of Patience?
We are not extremist neither against law. But its Govt. which is provoking us to show the power to get the deserving share.
Its unsaid law of land...If you deserve it grab it. We are not in charity event !!!

Well, I personally don't need reservation but supporting my eligible, deserving but financially suppressed Jat fellows.
Have a look over today's cost of living and studies. "People revolt the system only when survival is in danger" by Virender Kaleramna.
 
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जींद, जागरण संवाद केंद्र : अखिल भारतीय जाट संघर्ष समिति के प्रदेशाध्यक्ष हवा सिंह सांगवान ने कहा कि यदि जाटों को आरक्षण नहीं दिया गया, तो वे किसी भी कीमत पर कॉमनवेल्थ गेम नहीं होने दिए जाएंगे। दिल्ली के जंतर-मंतर पर 28 जुलाई को होने वाला जाट सम्मेलन ऐतिहासिक होगा तथा इसी दौरान कुछ अहम फैसले भी लिए जाएंगे।
उन्होंने कहा कि दिल्ली में होने वाले सम्मेलन के लिए समाज के लोगों को जागरूक करने के लिए फतेहाबाद, करनाल, पानीपत, रोहतक, झज्जार, भिवानी, हिसार, महेद्रगढ़, सोनीपत आदि में जाट आरक्षण रथ शुरू किए जा चुके है तथा सभी रथों को समाज के लोगों का भरपूर समर्थन मिल रहा है। उन्होंने कहा कि जाट समाज शैक्षणिक और सामाजिक तौर पर पूरे देश में पिछड़ा हुआ समाज है तथा पिछड़ा वर्ग में शामिल होना उनका संवैधानिक अधिकार है। उन्होंने कहा कि देश में जाट समाज को छोड़कर अन्य किसान को समान रूप से आरक्षण दिया गया है। उनकी आरक्षण की मांग किसी प्रदेश सरकार से नहीं, बल्कि केंद्र सरकार से है। इस दौरान राष्ट्रीय उपाध्यक्ष धर्मपाल ने जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति की जिला इकाई की भी घोषणा की। जिले सिंह को जिला संयोजक नियुक्त किया गया। उनके अलावा उमा सिंह, नोरंग सिंह, महताब सिंह को जिला सचिव नियुक्त किया गया। हितैष ढांडा को जिला युवा विंग का अध्यक्ष नियुक्त किया गया।
 
Now higher casts also recommended to be considered as OBCs, soon each and every one will be classed OBC and entitled for reservation. Bls 31
 
sir, this is the best and only solution left to finally eliminate the reservation when there is no gain left once everyone gets the reservation.

bls31 said:
Now higher casts also recommended to be considered as OBCs, soon each and every one will be classed OBC and entitled for reservation. Bls 31
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bls31 said:
Now higher casts also recommended to be considered as OBCs, soon each and every one will be classed OBC and entitled for reservation. Bls 31
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Till how long you will remain Self proclaimed high class???? If you look at the Gurnam singh commision report Jats are below many OBC's ( you can easily get on google) Lets take a pragmatic approach in our thinking.

Sutarmurg ka jab koi sikar karta hai to vo apna munh chupa leta hai to sochne lagta hai usse koi dekh nahi raha so many Jats are like that only.

N I', surprsied to read Many saying that hume aarkshan mila to hum niche chalein jayenegy ...sarkar to aarkshan deti hai kisi jati ko upar uthane k liye.
Chamar, meene, yadav aarkshan se upar uthein hain to fir JAT ko aarkshan niche le jayega ye kaise?
 
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Now higher casts also recommended to be considered as OBCs, soon each and every one will be classed OBC and entitled for reservation. Bls 31
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Ya..!!! tats hold true but govt. feels reservation the master key for upliftment. And they left us with no other option.
Or govt. should abolish it and go for below poverty line (BPL). Lawmakers are intelligent people so putting citizens in vicious trap
of caste,reservation politics and not development.

As govt. indentified BPL and distributing food grains through PDS (Public distribution system) to them. Whats the problem to give helping hand to these needy BPL families in education, employment. I am strong supporter of reservation but on economic ground not on caste basis. Macro level glance make us understand govt. is playing with citizens. They don't want the caste demon to get away from politics. And no one ask question on progress in development front.
 
vir2703 said:
Ya..!!! tats hold true but govt. feels reservation the master key for upliftment. And they left us with no other option.
Or govt. should abolish it and go for below poverty line (BPL). Lawmakers are intelligent people so putting citizens in vicious trap
of caste,reservation politics and not development.

As govt. indentified BPL and distributing food grains through PDS (Public distribution system) to them. Whats the problem to give helping hand to these needy BPL families in education, employment. I am strong supporter of reservation but on economic ground not on caste basis. Macro level glance make us understand govt. is playing with citizens. They don't want the caste demon to get away from politics. And no one ask question on progress in development front.
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Good point but BPL definition by GOI is itself flawed.For Urban areas it is Rs. 539 per person per month & Rural areas it is Rs.357 per person per month , how can some one survive??What abt those who are marginally above the BPL???

I would rather call it is Bluffed poverty line ...... GOI need to really redefine BPL realistically ....
 
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गोहाना, संवाद सहयोगी : अखिल भारतीय जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति की ओर से गाव बरोदा में एक पंचायत का आयोजन किया गया। समिति के प्रतिनिधियों ने इस मौके पर जाटों को आरक्षण देने की माग को जोर-शोर से उठाया। प्रतिनिधियों ने कहा कि जाटों को हरियाणा प्रदेश व केंद्र में आरक्षण का लाभ दिया जाए।
इस मौके पर समिति के प्रदेश महासचिव मूलचंद दहिया ने मुख्य वक्ता के रूप में कहा कि जाट समुदाय के लोगों का मुख्य व्यवसाय कृषि था। उन्होंने कहा कि अब जाट समुदाय के लोगों के पास पर्याप्त जमीन नहीं बची है, जिसके सहारे वह उचित ढग से उनकी आजीविका चल सकें। उन्होंने कहा कि पहले जिन जमींदारों के पास दस से बीस एकड़ जमीन होती थी अब उनके पौत्रों के पास मात्र एक से दो एकड़ ही जमीन हिस्से में आती है। कुछ किसानों के पास तो जमीन के मात्र कुछ ही टुकड़े बचे है। उन्होंने कहा कि जाट समुदाय के लोगों की नौकरियों में भी अनदेखी हो रही है। उन्होंने कहा कि दिल्ली, राजस्थान के अलावा कई प्रदेशों में जाटों को आरक्षण का लाभ मिल रहा है जबकि हरियाणा में इन्हें यह सुविधा नहीं दी जा रही है। उन्होंने कहा कि जाट समुदाय तब तक चैन से नहीं बैठेगा जब तक उनको आरक्षण का लाभ नहीं दिया जाएगा। उन्होंने कहा कि आरक्षण के मुद्दे को लेकर जंतर-मंतर पर भी पंचायत का आयोजन करेगे। पंचायत में गाव बरोदा, खानपुर खुर्द, बनवासा, कोहला, बुटाना आदि के ग्रामीणों ने भाग लिया। इस मौके पर अजीत सिंह, प्रेम सिंह, डीसी छिक्कारा, बिजेंद्र, चंद्रभान, अशोक मदीना, बलजीत दुहन, सुरजमल, जसमेर दहिया, सुरेद्र आदि ने भी ग्रामीणों को संबोधित किया।
 
Jat demands OBC reservation, threaten to block Delhi



The Akhil Bharatiya Jat Arakshan Sangharsh Samiti has warned that if the government does not pay heed to its demand for extending reservations to jats under the “other backward classes” category, they would disrupt the Commonwealth Games in New Delhi in October. It warned that the Commonwealth Games baton relay, which is now in Allahabad, might also be disrupted. The members of the community had on June 13 taken control of the Sonia Vihar water regulator head in Ghaziabad and cut off water supply to Delhi. Speaking at a press conference, the samiti’s national president, Mr Yeshpal Malik, said the ministry of social justice had promised the jat community that it would look into their demand by July 10.
Mr Malik said, “There is no indication from the government that it plans to do anything. Hence, we will chalk out our strategy and go ahead with our earlier declaration of disrupting the Commonwealth Games 2010 if the government does not respond.” He said members of the jat community, whether they be Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs, should be given reservation under the OBC category in Union government jobs and also in states where there is no such reservation — like Haryana, Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir. Mr Malik also said the strategy of disrupting the Commonwealth Games would be chalked out on July 28 when members of the community will stage a “warning demonstration” at Jantar Mantar. Given that Delhi was “surrounded” by jats, Mr Malik warned, his members would be in a position to cut off power, petroleum, gas, milk and vegetable supplies to the national capital if the need arose.
 
hemanthooda said:
Good point but BPL definition by GOI is itself flawed.For Urban areas it is Rs. 539 per person per month & Rural areas it is Rs.357 per person per month , how can some one survive??What abt those who are marginally above the BPL???

I would rather call it is Bluffed poverty line ...... GOI need to really redefine BPL realistically ....
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Please mention the authentic source for the figures.

Article on redefining the BPL..reference financial express 2007.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/will-poverty-rise-in-new-bpl-definition/200572/0

Govt. link on BPL
http://india.gov.in/outerwin.php?id=http://chdfood.gov.in/BPL.aspx
http://india.gov.in/govt/viewscheme.php?schemeid=795

Still this reservation criteria is better than caste politics.
Eventhough around 25 per cent Indians are still under BPL based on govt. definition.
 
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vir2703 said:
Please mention the authentic source for the figures.

Article on redefining the BPL..reference financial express 2007.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/will-poverty-rise-in-new-bpl-definition/200572/0

Govt. link on BPL
http://india.gov.in/outerwin.php?id=http://chdfood.gov.in/BPL.aspx
http://india.gov.in/govt/viewscheme.php?schemeid=795

Still this reservation criteria is better than caste politics.
Eventhough around 25 per cent Indians are still under BPL based on govt. definition.
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Here is the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_threshold


An para from the page....
"India's official poverty level, on the other hand, is split according to rural vs. urban thresholds. For urban dwellers, the poverty line is defined as living on less than 538.60 rupees (approximately USD $12) per month, whereas for rural dwellers, it is defined as living on less than 356.35 rupees per month (approximately USD $7.50).[10] By this measure, only 27.5% of Indians live in poverty,[citation needed] whereas by the World Bank standard of $1.25 per day, 42% of Indians live in poverty[citation needed] - this is the third highest rate in South Asia after Bangladesh and Bhutan."

Other link..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Below_Poverty_Line_(India)
 
Seeking job quota, Jats threaten to disrupt Commonwealth Games...

Dont know why... but I think no one has any knowledge here about this demonstration that happened on July 28.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...pt-Commonwealth-Games/articleshow/6228686.cms

NEW DELHI: A large number of Jat community members protesting for reservation in jobs attempted to storm the Commonwealth Games office here this afternoon but were prevented by police.

The protestors marched towards the Games' headquarters from their protest site, a few hundred metres away at Jantar Mantar, police said.

However, due to a large number of police personnel deployed near the protest site the protestors were prevented from reaching the office.

The Jat Mahasabha, which is spearheading the protest, threatened that they will try everything possible to disrupt the sporting extravaganza if their demand was not met with.
 
TOI carried an article on agitation by Jats seeking reservation. Here I paste the link below. I found that some stupids had posted highly derogatory remarks about Jats. I replied to at least three of them. My comments were also carried by TOI which may be found under the article. Some of you may also like to give suitable replies to those anti-Jat morons.

Seeking job quota, Jats threaten to disrupt Commonwealth Games http://toi.in/Up4-sZ
 
सारा नाम मिट्टी में मिलाने के बाद इस Reservation के झुनझुने को लेकर नाचने से क्या मिलेगा.
कुछ मेहनत करना भी सीखने दो इस आने वाली पीढ़ी को.
 
I second Rahul's opinion. Rather than taking the help of reservation, the new generation should learn to strive for success on the basis of discipline, hard work and intelligence.

The point that reservation may help in up-liftment of community may have some truth, but not getting reservation is not an obstacle in path of success. If a person does not get something due to some limitations (financial or academic), then the solution is to develop the abilities and not asking for the benefits directly (without work).

And if someone thinks that getting reservation itself requires work and hence qualifies as justified reason for getting the benefits, then we are validating the theory that "Work is Workship" does not hold any significance today and as we recognize for sure, this is not the philosophy that Jats should believe in and pass on to future generations.
 
crsnadar said:
सारा नाम मिट्टी में मिलाने के बाद इस Reservation के झुनझुने को लेकर नाचने से क्या मिलेगा.
कुछ मेहनत करना भी सीखने दो इस आने वाली पीढ़ी को.
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katti sahi gyaan ki baat kahi bhai par teri koi sunne koni maine bera s par koi n tu laagya rah ;)
 
जल्द ही आने वाले समय मे Reservation बस Economic Basis पर होगा.
मानो या ना मानो लेकिन होना यही है कोई रोक नहीं सकता.
लेकिन ये Caste based Reservation जाते जाते भी बहुत सी जातियों के मुह पर कालिख पोत देगा और मानसिक रूप से उन्हें अपंग बना देगा.
सुनने मे थोड़ा कड़वा लगेगा पर सच यही है और जिसे देखने और इससे बचाने के लिए शायद आज के बुजुर्ग जिन्दा भी नहीं रहेंगे.
इस पुती हुई कालिख का Political & Social मुनाफा वो लोग उठाएंगे जो आज सही रास्ते पर हैं.

करना ही था तो कोई अच्छा काम करते.
Reservation को मिटाने के लिए आवाज उठाओ.
गरीबों के लिए लड़ो और हर जाती के गरीबो के लिए लड़ो.
समाज की बुराइयों के लिए लड़ो और अपने अन्दर की बुराइयों को मिटने की लिए भी लड़ो.

Reservation को समझो. ये कोई अमृत नहीं है जो मिलते ही धन की वर्षा हो जायेगी या दुःख दूर हो जायेंगे. इससे कुछ होगा तो वो ये की आने वाली पीढ़ी अपंग ज़रूर हो जायेगी.
दृढ शक्ति खो देगी आत्मविश्वास खो देगी.
आने वाली पीढ़ी का आत्मविश्वास बढ़ाना या लौटना है तो इस Reservation को मिटा दो बस.

एक बार मेरे Parents भी पड़ोसियों की देखादेखी 6/7 साल पहले Reservation Certificate बनवा के ले आये थे Delhi State Govt का.
मुझे जब मालुम चला तो थोडा अजीब सा लगा. लेकिन फिर कुछ दिनों बाद मेरा दम सा घुटने लगा. मुझे लगा जैसे मैं अपनी नज़रों ही गिर रहा हुं .
फिर एक दिन थोडा हिम्मत करके मैंने अपना Certificate फाड़ के जला दिया. काफी गर्व महसूस हुआ मुझे और लगा जैसे मैं भी मेहनत की खुली हवा में सांस ले रहा हुं.
Engineering Complete करने के 4 साल बाद तक छोटी मोटी job करते हुए Preperation करता रहा और तब जाके मुझे Govt Job मिली (obviously in General Category). Govt Job को समाज में सफलता माना जाता है इसीलिए मुझे ये करना ज़रूरी था और इसीलिए उसके बारे में लिख रहा हुं.
वैसे Govt Job कोई बड़ी बात नहीं है आजकल.
Pvt Jobs की Reputation ज्यादा है आजकल.

मेरा अनुरोध युवा जाटों से है की वो इस Reservation के चंगुल से बहार निकलें और मेहनत, सम्मान और आत्मविश्वास की खुली हवा में जियें और सफलता पाएं और हमारे INDIA का नाम सारी दुनिया में ऊँचा करें.
 
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2006 ki baat hai, hisar university ke engg college ki, mere ek dost ne batayi thi.......wahan ek jaat professor tha english ka (shayad)........bahut achhi angrezi bolta tha & uski aawaz main bhi dum tha.......uske uss session ki first class thi to wo sabse introduction le raha tha.........& thoda sa majak bhi kar raha tha.......ek ladke se poochh to wo ladka uthaa....& bol nahi paya..........to ussne thoda tej si aawaz main poochhaa......ki who r u? darr ke mare uss ladke ne bola............SC/ST..........sab ke sab hans kar pagal ho gaye kati...........

bhai jaton ko reservation mile yaa nahi..........main iske barein main kutchh nahi kahunga.................but agar kal koi teacher yaa professor agar jo humse yaa humare bachchon se poochega ki who r u to main nahi chahta ki wo SC/ST bole............

ek baar bus main ek bande (when i was going to vrinadavan) ne poochaa ki haryana main jaat OBC main gaye hai ab to tumari mauj ho jawegi............maine poochha ki kab se aa gaye to usne bataya ki usse kutchh jaat sirname wale ladke mile they jo reasevation se kisi collage main admission lekar aaye they........tab maine usko samjhaya ki kutchh SC/ST apne sirname main jaton ke sirname use karte hai....iska matlab ye nahi hai ki wo jaat ban gaye.........maine usko apne hi gaon ka reference diya.......mere gaon main Rathee hai....but hai wo sare chamar...........

I do agree with bhai rahul.....main ye nahi kahta ki sab ke sab chhotu raam ji ban jao.........magar kam se kam........usnke raaste pe to chalo..........aaj tak main ek hi aise jaat leader ko dekh paya hoon jisne niswatrh bhav se apne jaat bhaiyon ke liye kaam kiya............naa ki jaat bhaiyon ke liye balki sabke liye kaam kiya.......magar main aise bahut sare immandaar aadmyoin ko bhi janta hoon....jinhone chhotu raam ji ke raaste pe chalne main safalta payi hai......
 
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