Safety of Women ???

[amitdabas22]

Bhai i beg to differ on the issue of prostitution being discussed here in the context of eve teasing and women safety !!
I think legalising prostitution will better the situation for the girls involved in the trade.
But the criminals wudnt be deterred by such an action as they are already not afraid of the police or anyone and are doing a far greater offence !

 

[singhvp]

I think government must set up fast track courts for rape and molestation cases. The punishment should be harsher, even a life imprisonment for a rapist may be considered.

 

[jagdeepchd]

The same is true about most of the European countries too. I got the same warning in Brussels (Belgium) where I used to go for jogging in a nearby park late in the evening after office hours. I used to encounter many young girls/ladies jogging in the park and lake-side in the dense woods. The other day I asked one of my local lady colleagues how safe they are in a lonely place at odd hours. She told me that here it is you who should watch out. Girls/women were quite safe. We never heard/read even a single incident of molestation/rape or indecency during our stay of about 3 and half year.

Its an interesting thread, Mr VP Singh I hope you escaped unscathed.

 

[singhvp]

Its an interesting thread, Mr VP Singh I hope you escaped unscathed.

Hahaha.....you are right. I was able to escape unscathed.

 

[jagdeepchd]

Hahaha.....you are right. I was able to escape unscathed.

But then on a serious note..safety of women needs a lot to be done in India..and very harsh and exemplary punishment ought to be there for people commiting crimes against women

 

[upendersingh]

Generally, it is assumed that there is illiteracy, backwardness etc. in India so that's why Indians have violent tendency towards women. But it is not true. World's so called developed countries have highest rape rate in the world.
Click Here to see the rape rate in the different countries of the world.
Crime against women is there from the very beginning of the life on this planet and it will be in future too. To cope with it, it will be better for women to have self-safety equipments with them all the time as Ritu Ji have prescribed in her post.

 

[deepika]

After visiting a couple of countries i have realized that India is the most unsafe country when it comes to girls and ladies safety....in some countries prostitution is legal which makes it safe for the girls and women to hang out all night....in some countries a rapist is punished so badly that men don't dare do it...for example during my stay in Malaysia i discovered that the police chops oof rapists organ,i guess thats one reason why i never heard of any sexual harassment case over there....so if Government of India implements same kind of punishments for rapists here i am sure it will help in reducing it.

 

[singhvp]

Generally, it is assumed that there is illiteracy, backwardness etc. in India so that's why Indians have violent tendency towards women. But it is not true. World's so called developed countries have highest rape rate in the world.
Click Here to see the rape rate in the different countries of the world.
Crime against women is there from the very beginning of the life on this planet and it will be in future too. To cope with it, it will be better for women to have self-safety equipments with them all the time as Ritu Ji have prescribed in her post.

हा हा हा हा हा ......... भाई उपेंदर पहली बात तो सब महिलाओं को पिस्तोल का लाइसेंस मिलना मुश्किल है और अगर इन के हाथ मैं पिस्तोल थमा दिया तो सब तैं पहले एक दूसरी पर ए तान देंगी.

On a serious note the data seems to be far from reality. There is something wrong somewhere. For example, if you compare two countries with different population figure the scenario would be like this. For example in a country with a total population of 100 if the total number of the guilty is 10 the percentage would be 10%. On the other hand in a country with population of 1000 where the number of culprits is same i.e. 10 the percentage would be less - 1%. I am sure total number of rape cases in India is the highest. This is my assumption that in some countries there might be many false cases lodged by the estranged wives against their would be-Ex just to justify their divorce petitions. Most probably, such cases might have been taken into account by the surveyors by mistake. I am sure you will recheck and come again with more authentic information. I don't believe any country can surpass us in this regard. (But Pakistan could be a probable challenger).

 

[virj]

For example in a country with a total population of 100 if the total number of the guilty is 10 the percentage would be 10%. On the other hand in a country with population of 1000 where the number of culprits is same i.e. 10 the percentage would be less - 1%. I am sure total number of rape cases in India is the highest.

Sir,

It should always be compared in percentage not in numbers. However I guess the figures are based only on the reported cases. One could argue that lot of cases dont get reported in many countries and the definition of law differ in each country. Such surveys are only indicators and never represent true pictures despite being based on some real facts. In some countries, its legal to beat a wife(as long as you dont leave a mark) and rape too. So whats a rape in one country isnt a rape in other. SO cant really compare! Can we?

 

[ritu]

sir ek mahila ke liye balatkaar sirf maut jaisa nahi zilatt bhari maut jaisa hai.aur ye baat ek aurat hi samjh sakti hai.aapko ye uphaas karne ke liye point dikha hoga par mane us mahila ki jagah khud ko rakhar ye sallah di ki do whatever it takes to protect your dignity,bcoz i have two young niece who are working outside house and travel sometimes late in night i had first hand experience of somewhat similiar situation.while doing msc one day after returning late in the evening from local market to university me and my friend chose the shortest route to reach early hostel to avoid filling entry.that was a grave mistake we saw two boys running towards us,and we both decided to run as fast as we could.i was so scared and could not run and my friend went ahead.these boys almost came up to me and about to grab my hand then suddenly my friend came back running fiercly like a lioness and stood in front of me and hold one of the boys by his wrist.they got so scared and ran back .i will never forget that incident and my saviour friend in this life time..

हा हा हा हा हा ......... भाई उपेंदर पहली बात तो सब महिलाओं को पिस्तोल का लाइसेंस मिलना मुश्किल है और अगर इन के हाथ मैं पिस्तोल थमा दिया तो सब तैं पहले एक दूसरी पर ए तान देंगी.

On a serious note the data seems to be far from reality. There is something wrong somewhere. For example, if you compare two countries with different population figure the scenario would be like this. For example in a country with a total population of 100 if the total number of the guilty is 10 the percentage would be 10%. On the other hand in a country with population of 1000 where the number of culprits is same i.e. 10 the percentage would be less - 1%. I am sure total number of rape cases in India is the highest. This is my assumption that in some countries there might be many false cases lodged by the estranged wives against their would be-Ex just to justify their divorce petitions. Most probably, such cases might have been taken into account by the surveyors by mistake. I am sure you will recheck and come again with more authentic information. I don't believe any country can surpass us in this regard. (But Pakistan could be a probable challenger).

 

[singhvp]

Sir,

It should always be compared in percentage not in numbers. However I guess the figures are based only on the reported cases. One could argue that lot of cases dont get reported in many countries and the definition of law differ in each country. Such surveys are only indicators and never represent true pictures despite being based on some real facts. In some countries, its legal to beat a wife(as long as you dont leave a mark) and rape too. So whats a rape in one country isnt a rape in other. SO cant really compare! Can we?

Yes, sounds logical, Vipin.

 

[singhvp]

sir ek mahila ke liye balatkaar sirf maut jaisa nahi zilatt bhari maut jaisa hai.aur ye baat ek aurat hi samjh sakti hai.aapko ye uphaas karne ke liye point dikha hoga par mane us mahila ki jagah khud ko rakhar ye sallah di ki do whatever it takes to protect your dignity,bcoz i have two young niece who are working outside house and travel sometimes late in night i had first hand experience of somewhat similiar situation.while doing msc one day after returning late in the evening from local market to university me and my friend chose the shortest route to reach early hostel to avoid filling entry.that was a grave mistake we saw two boys running towards us,and we both decided to run as fast as we could.i was so scared and could not run and my friend went ahead.these boys almost came up to me and about to grab my hand then suddenly my friend came back running fiercly like a lioness and stood in front of me and hold one of the boys by his wrist.they got so scared and ran back .i will never forget that incident and my saviour friend in this life time..

Ritu ji I am also equally worried about the grave situation but this does not seem to be a viable solution as it might lead to misuse of arms under a false pretext also. Govt has to beef-up security measures to stem the rot.

 

[ravinderjeet]

जब में मुंबई में आया था ,एर मन्ने लुगाई देखि आधी रात ने ,रेल में सफ़र करदी, एर सड़कआँ पे एकली हांडती तो घणाए सपरा मान्या था | फेर मन्ने आपने पुराणे सहपाठीयाँ पे बुझी तो उन् ने बताई ,अक कई साल पहलम आड़े एक पुलिस कमिस्स्नर आया था | उंने सरकार का समर्थन ले कें ,एर जो भी बन्दे थया जांदे ,इवटीजिंग एर मोल्स टेसन में ,उन् ने थाणे ले जांदे ,एर इस्सा बक्कल तारया करदे ऍक माणस चालन जोगा ना रन्दा | उस बखत कोए भी कोर्ट में परस्तुत नि करया जाया करदा | एर फेर घर्कयाँ नु बुला के उनके सामी भी ऊह की तुड़ाई होंदी ,एर ऊह की चीख पुकार उनके घर्क्यान ताहि भी सुनांदे, बस और कोए सजा नि दिया करदे ,उस बन्दे का चरित्र परमाणपत्र बणा दिया करदे | ५-७ साल में छेड़खानी इस्सी ख़तम होई अक इसका रिवाज-ए चाल्या गया | इब्ब तो इस्सा हाल से छोरी लुगाई छेड़खानी कर दें सें ,पर माणसआँ की हिम्मत कोणी |

 

[pragati]

pragati psychopaths are everywhere,though incidenes are less and partial reason is rate of population. fear of severe punishment and effective police system also stops perverts in western countries from doing these henious crimes.

Absolutely right Ritu di...psychopaths are everywhere.....

 

[pragati]

ek mahila ke liye balatkaar sirf maut jaisa nahi zilatt bhari maut jaisa hai.aur ye baat ek aurat hi samjh sakti hai/QUOTE] ritu

v true Ritu di....aur ye bhi sach hai ki ye baat sirf mahilaaye hi samaz sakti hai, agar purusho ki samaz me ye baat aa jaaye to shayad aise cases na ho aur shayad itne senstive topic ka mazak na bane....

 

[akshaymalik84]

I think everybody wants to stop prostitution rather than encourage it...
I meant to say only about the safety even at mid-night so that the girls can also walk out like boys......how would prostitution be encouraged by having icecream by girls at midnight at india-gate, sorry but i don't understand.....

Don't say everybody want to stop it. Encouragement is other thing.

Phillipins/others and india are different countries with different kind of people. Please Don't compare cities like Manila, bangkok, KL etc. with Delhi.

Safety of a person is in its own hands. Don't blame others for that. If you are dependent on others for your safety then you are most unsafe.

 

[pragati]

other thing

Don't say everybody want to stop it. Encouragement is other thing.

Phillipins/others and india are different countries with different kind of people. Please Don't compare cities like Manila, bangkok, KL etc. with Delhi.

Safety of a person is in its own hands. Don't blame others for that. If you are dependent on others for your safety then you are most unsafe.

Sorry, but you did not pick the meaning...not your fault..don't want to say anything now.

 

[arunshokeen]

Very well said my friend although i reply late but really do you really think its that mach easy to blame, do you really know only 55% of Girls files cases of such incidents and in these also many ive up in procedding, and what if we just blame without thinking of law, aap janthe h, agar ik ladki legal process ka misuse ya use kare, toh uske liye kisi bhi person ko jail karana easy ho, i very well understand the problem of Topic but truly speaking blaming judiciary or Police or society is very easy the problem need solutions as form of suggestions and not allegations on these thinks, is banglaro is safe for Girls ,or UP does not have such crime,

The police along with judiciary is the major culprit

• The police strength is too low and to make it worst even those are too busy in VIP security/ Movement of dignitaries etc, thus effectively reducing strength to 1 per 100000 citizen - it should be increased to 1 policeman per 1000
  
• Callous attitude of police is another big reason - we all have been privy to seeing people just brazenly disregard traffic rules and the cop witnesses as mute helpless spectator.

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• The lesser said about our JUSTICE system, better it is. It is to defend people with power. It only shield criminal and instil no fear in them, instead the common man fears it and avoids it at any cost succumbing to the injustice being meted to him.
• No one is afraid of law - the fear and timely justice will go a long way is curtailing not only this problem but the larger pandemic "the corruption"

The President of the country has hanging cases for mercy pending for 10 years or 20 years - for god sake take some decision "yes" or "no" and stop sending wrong message to everyone down the line. The CBI is puppet in the hands of the Govt, the justice system is always too little too late, the bureaucrats still living in the British era, very few honest politician and un-deterred corruption at the highest places. God only knows how things are happening in this country.

 

[upendersingh]

हा हा हा हा हा ......... भाई उपेंदर पहली बात तो सब महिलाओं को पिस्तोल का लाइसेंस मिलना मुश्किल है और अगर इन के हाथ मैं पिस्तोल थमा दिया तो सब तैं पहले एक दूसरी पर ए तान देंगी.

On a serious note the data seems to be far from reality. There is something wrong somewhere. For example, if you compare two countries with different population figure the scenario would be like this. For example in a country with a total population of 100 if the total number of the guilty is 10 the percentage would be 10%. On the other hand in a country with population of 1000 where the number of culprits is same i.e. 10 the percentage would be less - 1%. I am sure total number of rape cases in India is the highest. This is my assumption that in some countries there might be many false cases lodged by the estranged wives against their would be-Ex just to justify their divorce petitions. Most probably, such cases might have been taken into account by the surveyors by mistake. I am sure you will recheck and come again with more authentic information. I don't believe any country can surpass us in this regard. (But Pakistan could be a probable challenger).

वी.पी. सिंह जी, रितु जी ने केवल पिस्तौल ही नहीं लिख रखी थी, बल्कि और भी कई चीजें लिख रखी थीं, स्प्रे वगैरह.
Datas are quite right, sir. As Vipin has said in his post, such datas are in % or per capita. It may be that total number of rape cases are higher in India than many other countries, but how many girls per 1000 were raped, datas are about that. If some country has 1 lac females and out of them 2000 are raped annually then it's a matter of more concern despite the fact (for example) that in India 5000 girls are raped annually out of 10 lac. As far as false cases, unregistered cases etc. are concerned, then it can be said for all countries. Here in some earlier posts KL is being claimed to be so safe, but some time back there too such a case came in light, which generally can be assumed to happen in India or Delhi only. Read it:

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Malaysian girl raped by uncle for six years

Kuala Lumpur, June 29. 2010 (ANI): A Malaysian man raped and sexually abused his now 12-year-old niece for six years.The incident came to light when the 12-year-old girl told her mother.

The accused, a 56-year-old Rela officer, was detained when the girl, accompanied mother lodged a complaint with the police.
The girl said that his uncle started harassing her sexually when she was 6.
She said that her uncle who lived just metres from her home in Kampung Seberang Takir, took her to secluded areas and forced
himself on her.
According to police sources, the girl was initially too young to understand what was happening but as she grew older, her
uncle allegedly warned her that he would hurt her if she told anyone, reports The New Straits Times.
Doctors at Sultan Nur Zahirah hospital confirmed the rape reports.
State CID chief Superintendent K. Manoharan confirmed the arrest refused to speak more about the issue



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I just mean to say that whole world is bad and something solid is needed to do to stop (or diminish I should say) such wild and satanic behaviour.

 

[singhvp]

originally written by Upender Singh.
I just mean to say that whole world is bad and something solid is needed to do to stop (or diminish I should say) such wild and satanic behaviour.

Upender thanks for the research. Isolated incidents apart, over all scenario in KL is not as bad as in India. Ladies can move around upto late in the evening without being victims of vulgarity, molestation, hijacking rape etc. I have noticed people usually do not stare or make lewd remarks even on exceptionally beautiful girls dressed up in the ultra modern & short attires. They would simply have an innocuous glimpse and turn their eyes away. At the most someone would hurl a gentle smile out of courtesy. But in India, the picture is entirely different including the capital city - registered cases notwithstanding. Sex-starvation is writ large on people's faces. Herds of wild beasts (cheap brand Romeos) are always on the hunt and leave no opportunity to target ladies starting from the age group of 4 to 55.
Cannot speak for the whole world but after having traveled to about more than 30 odd countries (some of them more than 5-10 times), I have realized that India is one of the worst places I have ever visited, for ladies as far as their safety is concerned.