"Should the Govt amend HMA to ban 'same-gotra' marriage"?

Do you support same Gotra marriage?

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I also feel that it must be a very hard thing for a parent to kill their own child but some points raise some doubts in me.
In most cases it is the daughter who is killed by the males of the family. Could the reason be that many a times, males and females of the family are not that compassionately related. More over generally the people involved are some cousins/relatives (who probably have not even known the girl that well) or young brothers who might be easier to brain wash/provoke about the false sense of honour and are not as mature as the parents. The way I have seen some people talking of killing, I didn't feel that they were full of love for their daughers/sisters/relatives.

The people who even in principle support honour killing are also very much responsible for this practice because it is because of such people that the family feels the presure. The proportion of these supporters is quite large in rural areas.

Also the fact that they feel that they have an option of killing is dangerous. They have to be made to realize that pressure or no pressure, they don't the option of killing. These points might look naive and ridiculous to people here who mostly probably come from nice and educated families but I get these feelings from looking at people in the rural areas.


vijay said:
There is a lot of difference between saying something and actually doing it but i agree that there maybe many who can do it.

Every human have a devil inside oneself, people with strong will power can kill the devil but weaker can not. They hide their weakness behind this psudo bravery.

How come someone kill his own kid whom he brought up day by day, month by month and year by year ?

How come someone can keep his head upright by killing his own kid ?
Isn't it generally done to get their head upright back precisely because most people around them were in favour of killing and will praise their act.

How come they forget the innocent smile of the infant when they do this act ?

Instead of feeling ashamed of these acts people are talking about the bravery and proud by killing their own kids.

This is really shameful and disgusting.
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please have a look at the attached web shots

webshot 1 : poll results of "do you support same gotra marriage ?" rahul2212 says YES.
webshot 2 : poll results of "is honor killing justified ?" rahul2212 says YES.

he is very forward minded and supports same gotra marriage, but on the other issue of honor killing he is having a neanderthal mindset... lol !

brahmtewatia said:
now have a look at the PM that i received. i have even reported the matter, just half an hour back to satyeshwar when i saw him on-line. hope he takes some action.
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brahmtewatia said:
RahulSingh2212 <<< this guy is the only person who has voted YES. imo he is a troll on JATland with fake ID.

he joined JL in aug 2009 but knows JL history since 1999. he has so far posted one post and one thread questioning the originator of JL. how come he knows nitin dahiya when he himself joined in 2009. more than 50% of the members don't even know as to who is the owner of this portal... but this guy knows. please have a look at the post from him and assess yourself.

the idea is that his vote should be removed from the polls.
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Bhai rahulsing2212 is not JAT he send me this private message.......
RahulSingh2212 said:
yaar yeh goter ko le ke kham kha ka tamsha bana rakha hai. bechare jinka kite acha jugad na hota un ko mar dalte yen dharm ke rakhwale. kyon ki aisa hone laga to in dharam ke rakhwalon ko kaun poochega.

mujhe kuch nahin lena dena in baton se lakin bada ajeeb sa lagta hai.yeh T.V ,cinema,higher edication ko band kar do na kyon ki main resion woh hai asli jad woh hai.yeh sab baate jab matter karti thi jab saab kuch jameen per based hota tha.Baap jammen na de beta ke karega.Is liye kisi ko jaat main tai ger do uska gaam rehna durbhar ho jaaga. woh jameen ko chod ke kahan jayega.is liye har kisi ko woh sab accept karna padta tha jo panchyat kahti thi.lakin dear ab sab naukari per based hain.seen hi badal gaya hai.beta baap ki nahin sunta.kyonki jameen hogi kam. baap ke kar lega.yeh jo hariyana main marre hain agar woh ladka fauj main hota jab maar ke dikhate.gareeb ko pyaar karne ka hak nahin hai.unhone wahi galti ki bas.

ek kissa sunta hoon jo ek dam sach hai
ek ladka aur ladki ek gaon main aamne saame ghar tha woh ladka IAF main tha bangalore main posted tha.Us ladke nai bhag ke us ladki se court main shadi kar li aur apne reporting office ko bata diya.officer south indian tha uske liye yeh goter bakwas ki baten thi.uske gaon walon ne milke kadke walon per ladki bhagane ka case thok diya.panchayat aaygi bangalore main kathhi hoke.us ladke ne apne officer ko btaya ki panchayat aayi hai.uske office ne do gun main bula liye rifle ke saath.un panchatiyon se bola jo is ladki ko le jana chahta ho aage aaye. sabki dhoti gili hi gi ude. ek bhi na dikha us din pache.kit gayi wa panchayat.woh ladki do bacho ki maa hai aur ab us goan main rehti hai.

greeb ko pyar karne ka hak nahin hai.

main ya bat main forum main bhi likh sakta tha lakin yanahn baat ka batagand jayada banate hain samjhte kam hain.har baar main maja lewan ki sochte hain hai is liye.
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Iske hisab se to agar mata - pita se koi fayada na ho to unki bat manne ki jarurat hi nahin.........bhai kahan se liya itna gyan tune.....
Aageek ka kahani bhi likhi ha jo na to real ha aur na hi achhi ha.
 
vpsingh said:
I find your views very pragmatic but could not comprehend the last paragraph very well. How would you like the words 'left', 'right' and 'centrist', the connotations of sitting arrangements in Parliamentary parlance, signify our stance in the present context. Is the demand for a ban on marriage in the nearby village is leftist, rightist or centrist? Everything old is not necessarily outdated. At the same time everything old is not gold. The terms like "neo-liberals" or "neo-Nazis" are coined by us according to our conveniences. So far I have not seen any so-called "neo-liberal" advocating that we should discard everything old and adopt everything new. The terms old and new are too vague to be described in terms of customs. A healthy discussion among the community is essential to arrive at any logical conclusion with wide consensus. Views from each and every member of the Jat community has some relevance and deserve to be heard without branding such member with adjectives like 'neo-liberals' etc. and without putting extra words in his/her mouth like "anything that is OLD is OUTDATED, BAD and that is NEW is MODERN and GOOD". This kind of attributes convey a hidden message to discourage people to participate in the debate. If our ears are not accustomed to hear the dissenting noises, then it becomes difficult to express oneself freely and candidly. In such a scenario majority of people try not to earn the wrath of the hardliners and casually express in tune with the majority while hiding their real thoughts. If some people take a right to brand their dissenting fellow Jats as "neo-liberals", the same right can be exercised by the so called "neo-liberals" to brand the people across the road as "neo-Nazis" and the war of attrition will continue unabated.
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Thanks for the concurrence, it was partial though :), I never wished to brand anyone into a stereotype and if am advocating a centrist approach then this itself means accounting for contradictory views and reaching out for a pragmatic and mutually agreed solution.

To be clear: A rightist is someone for whom (as you put it beautifully)- OLD is gold (whether it glitters or not is of little importance to these guys :rolleyes:) and a leftist is so called liberal (whether neo or from old school of thought in liberalism) for whom it’s fashionable to look down upon anything that our grandparents did . Let us preserve what is good (assayed based on the scientific tools and age old experience we have today) and discard what is Bad-against basic human rights. In fact in my previous post I clearly put across examples of what is rightist and what is leftist..here it goes again:

“Let us preserve what is good & scientific (e.g.: avoidance of gotras to rule out inbreeding, age old ayurvedic healing methods, altruistic attitude of jats et al) and let us overcome what is bad (like honour killings, female feticide..)”
 
spdeshwal said:
Kusum ji

History is the proof my contention. Oldest democratic institutions and religious movements with no discriminative attitude towards any cast originated and flourished in Jat inhibited areas.

In the perspective of Indian cast and religious background, one can safely conclude that although exceptions are there but most Jats are very tolerant sensitive and respectful to people of other communities.


Cheers!
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Deshwal ji, where is the need of portraying ourselves as heroes in every breath. People have sufficient knowledge of history and also watching us. Let them make their assessment because self-praise is no recommendation. In every community, there are good people and bad people. Other communities also have counter claims about their heroism. For instance Rajputs proclaim to be equally valiant and dignified and to a great extent their claims seems to be legitimate too, if analyzed in the backdrop of historical 'battle royale' fought on the ground of Haldi Ghati and some other places in Rajasthan. As far as flourishing of democratic institutions and religious movements without any discrimination is concerned, it may be true because we liberally let Muslim and British Rulers to establish themselves and plunder our wealth. But I doubt it was voluntary and without any resistance from the Jat rulers. Having said that, I agree that majority of Jat people are very honest, straightforward and transparent. Unfortunately, some people from the community are bringing bad name because of their wrong deeds and mis-behaviour. We have no right to condemn other communities and should try to mend fences with them if we want to grow as Indians and want to see the country strong and progressive.
 
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Logo main kitna gussa aa gaya, had hai........koi kahta hai Rahul Jat nahin hai..koi kahta hai fake ID hai ...HA HA HA HA main JAT hi hoon

Bansi lal ne sarab band kri thi haryana main kaya woh band ho gayi......??? Jab humare charon taraf ka watawaran kharb hai to JAT bach jaga..Hounur Killing karne se to aur media main uchal gi baat jise na bhi bera tha us nai bhi bera pat ga.

Main na to kehta ki same gotre main shadi karni chaiye na yeh kahta nahin karni chaiye. yeh to apni apni soch hai. Pehle panch gotre chode jaate the shadi ke time ab teen hi kyon chodte hain.ab dadi ka bhi chodne lage.........yeh change kis liye aaya ???? aaj kahte hain bas hum to ek gotre hi chodenge........ yeh sab change hai jo samy ke sath sath hota aaya hai. Change ko koi nahin rok sakta.Jin ke chora ke bahya nahin hote wain kahawain sain ek hum to bas apna apna gotre chode sain bas.
aaj ke din paanch gotre se ek pai baat aali sai...kuch ek saal aur ruko bas..

Hum badon se suna karte UUTAM KHETI,MADHAM VOPAR,NEECH NAUKARI. Jat yeh neech kaam kyon kar rahe hain aaj. Jat ko to apni kheti karni chiye bas chahe usmain gujara ho ya na ho,woh doosre ke naukeri kyon karta haande sai aaj. yeh bhi jat ki ijjat ke khilf hai kisi ke yahan naukari karna. Jo cheej doosre ke fayde ki ho bas usmain jaa ke danda ada do.jismein apna fayda ho raha ho woh sab theek hai.

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Bhai panchatiyon inko rokiyo jara..................

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ग्रेटर नोएडा के जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की हिम्मत और मीडिया का दबाव काम आया और आखिरकार शनिवार को जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की शादी हो रही है।

ग्रेटर नोएडा के जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की हिम्मत और मीडिया का दबाव काम आया और आखिरकार शनिवार को जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की शादी हो रही है। जयवेंद्र चिटहरा गांव के रहने वाले हैं और मनीषा उनके पड़ोस के गांव में रहती हैं। दोनों के परिवार वाले उनकी शादी के लिए तैयार थे लेकिन पंचायत ने अड़ंगा डाल दिया। गांव की पंचायत ने फरमान सुनाया कि वो दोनों शादी नहीं कर सकते।
पंचायत ने तो यहां तक धमकी दे डाली थी कि अगर दोनों की शादी हुई तो दोनों को गोली मार दी जाएगी लेकिन जयवेंद्र और मनीषा पंचायत के आगे झुके नहीं। मीडिया ने भी जयवेंद्र और मनीषा का साथ दिया आखिरकार पंचायत दोनों की शादी के लिए तैयार हो गई। आज सुबह 10 बजे जयवेंद्र के घर से मनीषा के घर के लिए बारात निकलेगी।
 
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RahulSingh2212 said:
Bhai panchatiyon inko rokiyo jara..................

पंचायत के विरोध के बावजूद जयवेंद्र-मनीषा की शादी

ग्रेटर नोएडा के जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की हिम्मत और मीडिया का दबाव काम आया और आखिरकार शनिवार को जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की शादी हो रही है।
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Aaj taak kisi country mei crime rooka hai bhai..koi developed country ho ya developing country ho..exceptions are everywhere..Same is the case of these marriages..
 
RahulSingh2212 said:
Bhai panchatiyon inko rokiyo jara..................

पंचायत के विरोध के बावजूद जयवेंद्र-मनीषा की शादी

ग्रेटर नोएडा के जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की हिम्मत और मीडिया का दबाव काम आया और आखिरकार शनिवार को जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की शादी हो रही है।

ग्रेटर नोएडा के जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की हिम्मत और मीडिया का दबाव काम आया और आखिरकार शनिवार को जयवेंद्र और मनीषा की शादी हो रही है। जयवेंद्र चिटहरा गांव के रहने वाले हैं और मनीषा उनके पड़ोस के गांव में रहती हैं। दोनों के परिवार वाले उनकी शादी के लिए तैयार थे लेकिन पंचायत ने अड़ंगा डाल दिया। गांव की पंचायत ने फरमान सुनाया कि वो दोनों शादी नहीं कर सकते।
पंचायत ने तो यहां तक धमकी दे डाली थी कि अगर दोनों की शादी हुई तो दोनों को गोली मार दी जाएगी लेकिन जयवेंद्र और मनीषा पंचायत के आगे झुके नहीं। मीडिया ने भी जयवेंद्र और मनीषा का साथ दिया आखिरकार पंचायत दोनों की शादी के लिए तैयार हो गई। आज सुबह 10 बजे जयवेंद्र के घर से मनीषा के घर के लिए बारात निकलेगी।
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Ye jaton ka case nahin ha.......gujaron ka ha...... To yahan is case ke liye koi jagha nahin ha........ Bhai koi gujaron ki site dekh aur waham mang jawab.......
 
main panchayat ke virodh ki baat kar raha hoon.......kisi ka ghar na basan de yein.......ha ha ha ha
 
Waise bhi aaj kal media aur police ke pas to aesi saadian karane ke alawa koi kam raha nahin........
Police ko to tankhwa hi sirf larke ladkion ko suraksh dene ke liye hi milti ha , aisa hi lagta ha.........
 
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