"Should the Govt amend HMA to ban 'same-gotra' marriage"?

Do you support same Gotra marriage?

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Punjab will not give water.Their stand is very clear....

Best time to resolve SYL was when there was congress govt at Punjab , Haryana & Centre...But these buggers want to keep this issue alive.....There is no will to resolve the same!!!!
 
hemanthooda said:
Punjab will not give water.Their stand is very clear....

Best time to resolve SYL was when there was congress govt at Punjab , Haryana & Centre...But these buggers want to keep this issue alive.....There is no will to resolve the same!!!!
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Pakistan ko pani dena manjoor hai par haryana ko nahin.
 
Why are we diverting from marriage to syl,

Raviji, where has d. r. chaudhary gone, he must reply the good question of this boy dev.

How can a responsible person like dr can hide himself. His statement of bying girls from oter states is correct but further sale after satisfying himself, is not at all correct.

Because a jat cannot sell a girl once accepted as his wife.

I am also aware that we had this bad practice of selling girls, it is still going on behind the curtain, it may be in disguised manner, but I have never heard of reselling a wife.

This is where D. R. has gone wrong.
 
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ravichaudhary said:
Courts are there to implement current Law, not make new Law.

Courts are the wrong place for such a petition.


The law has to be amended by parliament.

Ravi Chaudhary
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Raviji you are correct High Court and Supreme Court only can make their observations, and direction while dealing with an issue but can not make new legislation.

Even i have had opioned when someone ask for PIL that no use of filing PIL on this issue, moreover when the top Judges has already expressed their stand of same gotra marriages during interview at the time of retirement cermony of CJI Balakrishanan.
 
sanjaymalik said:
Raviji you are correct High Court and Supreme Court only can make their observations, and direction while dealing with an issue but can not make new legislation.

Even i have had opioned when someone ask for PIL that no use of filing PIL on this issue, moreover when the top Judges has already expressed their stand of same gotra marriages during interview at the time of retirement cermony of CJI Balakrishanan.
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Judges come with their own biases.

They are not neutral.


If the court was made up of Jat judges, they would not give a decision against Jat custom.

A panel of judges , made up judges from a community where Sa Gothra marriage is permitted will not give a judgment against their norms.

What was the make up here?

The norm is 'Jiski Lathi uske Bhains!'

Naresh Kadyanji should not have rushed in. These matters have to be strategized.

That is the one thing,that this forum is for!


We would like to see the lawyers brief, and their arguments. Let build on that.

Ravi Chaudhary
 
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ravichaudhary said:
What was the make up here?

The norm is 'Jiski Lathi uske Bhains!'

Ravi Chaudhary
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उड़े तो लाठी और भैंस पहल्यां तैं अपनी कोणी थी! उड़े तो नुए सिंग्ग मारन गए थे!
 
Arvindc said:
उड़े तो लाठी और भैंस पहल्यां तैं अपनी कोणी थी! उड़े तो नुए सिंग्ग मारन गए थे!
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Thik kaha arvind bhai. I think some people just went there either for name or in jest and it wil have -tive impression among rest of the public who dont follow this custom. I think the best course is lets get united on this and put pressure on legislature
 
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dkumars said:
yessssssssssss ... I love being here and being modern and myself.
At least not writing just to please others.

Just wondering who is that brave guy who voted yes.
I could not decide and marked cant say. It's time and situation which decides right and wrong.
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actually m satisfied wat wid u said bt u knw wat dis shud b banned when we talk about dadi's gotra ..i think dadi ka gotra to kam se kam ab void karna chaiye bt still em nt in da favour of same gotra (of mom or dad ) dese gotra shud not b aovided yaar it shw dat apne hi bros ya sis ke sath marrige its quite felt dirt...n as welll as ye apni cast aur religon ko gira k zindagi jine ki baat hogi .n m totally against it...at last i jus want to say dat dadi ka gotra chhod ke shadi karna sounds really gud bt maa papa ka gotra chhodna is a crime in our jaat samaj>>>>>>>
 
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    89 90.82%
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    3 3.06%
VERY INTERESTING .. 6.12% ARE BUDDHIHIN PEOPLE ( NOT JAT)
 
Here the issue is not of supporting same gotra marriage or not but forcing it to others which is not just unfair, but can be barbaric in the form of "honour killing" ...I am surprised to read the views of so called modern Jats that they are ok with sales of girls , killing in the name of honour but can't have tolerance to accept same gotra marriage ...in any case thses gotra are now running from more than 10 generations and scientifically if at all there is any harmful effect of in-breeding its only till 3rd generation..
P.S: I have voted yes because before loving someone I am not not ask her biodata and I cant make strangers my sister
 
another point of view at honour killing

The very disscusd thing honour killings, in these days have defamed mostly the Jat community. Because in most of the cases it is related with Jat families. And i know what i m going to say will be a bit controversial, but i want to. According me the views of Khap panchayat are right. Even the Medical science have established the thing that there should be no marriages between brothers and sisters. They have established the fact that 21 gotras of the a family should be skiped while establishing a relation of husband and wife. In this case Jat community is more generous it skips only 5 gotras now. But the way of establishing this fact by killing the couples is totaly the mind set of our present voilent, impatient youth. If our constitution or our government takes the resposibility of preserving our culture than there would not be any need by the family members of victims to do such horrible things which no one would ever want to. Now some of you are going to say that the traditions can not be impossed by constitution or government but the recent example of Rajasthan Sarkar's new act in the favour of old parents is the example of preserving the tradition. So the new discussion begins........waiting.....
 
This thread really needs to be moved to another section called "is honor killing justified". Arre maanoge kee naa, what is the point of discussing one thing again and again.

ompoonia said:
The very disscusd thing honour killings, in these days have defamed mostly the Jat community. Because in most of the cases it is related with Jat families. And i know what i m going to say will be a bit controversial, but i want to. According me the views of Khap panchayat are right. Even the Medical science have established the thing that there should be no marriages between brothers and sisters. They have established the fact that 21 gotras of the a family should be skiped while establishing a relation of husband and wife. In this case Jat community is more generous it skips only 5 gotras now. But the way of establishing this fact by killing the couples is totaly the mind set of our present voilent, impatient youth. If our constitution or our government takes the resposibility of preserving our culture than there would not be any need by the family members of victims to do such horrible things which no one would ever want to. Now some of you are going to say that the traditions can not be impossed by constitution or government but the recent example of Rajasthan Sarkar's new act in the favour of old parents is the example of preserving the tradition. So the new discussion begins........waiting.....
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sir..i joined it late so till now i m not able to find all the places here...so i pasted it here...and one more thing is that till now we are not able to find any solution of this problem..and u r already bored with d disscussion..so come with a nice cure for this cancer which is really spreading, the discussion will be over..
 
ompoonia said:
Now some of you are going to say that the traditions can not be impossed by constitution or government but the recent example of Rajasthan Sarkar's new act in the favour of old parents is the example of preserving the tradition. So the new discussion begins........waiting.....
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Welcome to the Jatland. Could you please tell me little bit more about this new act. If its not realted to this thread, u can start a new discussion if u want
 
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Its really disgusting and shameful to see that so many so called educated fellows are supporting honour killing giving illogical reasons of duty, intra-gotra marriage,occurrence of such henious acts in other communities/regions of the world, race purification etc..People can have different views but how can one justify any sort of killing (and honour kiling cases are amongst the brutal ones ) .I wonder what kind of education we are getting and will be delivering to our future generation. Honour killing doesnt kill an individal or a couple but destroy the whole family . Unfortunately I dont see any end to such cases in the country and within our community.Its high time we should work against such evils in the society rather than glorifying it and shielding such acts in the name of "honour".
 
Shocked by growing cult of “honour killings” being reported across the country, the Supreme Court on Monday issued notices to the Centre and some states on the issue.

A bench of Justices R. M. Lodha and A. K. Patnaik sought response from the respective governments on the petition filed by NGO ‘Shakti Vahini’ expressing grave concern over the recent spurt of such killings carried out at the instance of khap panchayats ( Kangaroo courts) in villages in the North.

The NGO complained that though there was a spurt in such killings in Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal and Haryana, neither the Centre nor the state governments were taking steps to curb the menace due to “vote-bank politics.”

The khap panchayats function beyond the control of police, and their verdicts on marriages outside castes or same ‘gotras’ are rarely defied. In many recent cases, runaway couples have been brought back and murdered without a murmur of protest among the families. Fathers, uncles or even brothers take out their anger on boys or girls who dare to defy the established rules and traditions.

Haunted by the panchayat leaders who act like the Taliban, there have been instances of couples committing suicides on rail tracks, swallowing poison or hanging themselves in a death pact. Shockingly, the relatives involved in the murders have no remorse and even feel proud over protecting the “honour” of the family.

For instance, in a latest case, the father and uncle of a 19-year-old girl, who was allegedly tortured and electrocuted to death along with her boyfriend in the capital have been arrested. Suresh Kumar Saini and Om Prakash, father and uncle respectively of the victim Asha Saini, were arrested for allegedly committing the gruesome murder, police said.

Asha and Yogesh Kumar had been found murdered at her uncle’s residence on on Monday morning and the girl’s uncle Prakash and other members of her family were untraceable after the incident. “Saini and Prakash have confessed to the crime,” police claimed. Asha allegedly had an affair with Yogesh and wanted to marry him but her family was vehemently against the match as the boy belonged to a different caste.

“Honour killings,” which have been ratified by some 'khap panchayats', is a social problem and such issues could be resolved amicably.

some decisions of the 'khap panchayats' violated the law of the land. "There is no law that bars two adults from the same 'gotra' marrying each other, but society sometimes do not accept this. We have to sit together to resolve the issue".

The Delhi High Court had on Friday made a man withdraw a petition seeking a direction to the Union Government to carry out amendments in the Hindu Marriage Act banning marriages within the same gotra.
 
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