ravinderjeet
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itne paahyaan me rhwey itney joot kahyaa karein ,ar kaadh ke bagaaye paachhe khonsdaa,to bhaai yo s khonsdaa.
Sukbir Siwaich, Times of India on Jats
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sanjeev1984
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kya hum is sale siwach ka kuch nahi kar sakte... or kuch nahi to kuch general dayer jaiya karnama to kiya hi ja sakta hai... jab tak saanp zinda rehta hai vo zehar ugalta hi hai...
श्रीमान सिंह साहेब,
आपका लेफ्ट विंग से प्रेम समझ में आता है जैसा की आपने कई पोस्ट में जिक्र किया है किन्तु अब आप व्यक्तिगत संबंधो के आधार पर जगमती या DR को पाक साफ़ घोषित कर रहे हैं. ये बड़ा आश्चर्य चकित कर देने वाला है ! आपका मत है की ये सज्जन लोग सिर्फ *आनर किलिंग* के खिलाफ ही बोलते हैं ! जरा इनका नाम गूगल सर्च पर डाल कर इनके लेख पढ़िए ! ये दोनों विषाक्त मानसिकता से जाटों के विरुद्ध लिखते हैं ! जगमती स्वयम एक राजनितिक संघठन से जुडी है इसका तात्पर्य साफ़ है की अपने राजनितिक स्वार्थ के लिए वो ये सब सांग रच रही हैं ! पर इन दोनों मुर्ख प्राणियों को ये आभास नहीं की जाट बेल्ट में ऐसे तो कदापि वोते नहीं मिलेंगे हाँ कभी न कभी जुत इनकी सेवा अवस्य कर देंगे !
आपके संज्ञान हेतु कुछ लिंक सलंग्न हैं :-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2125/stories/20041217002304200.हतं
http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article424506.ece?homepage=त्रुए
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...battle-against-khaps/articleshow/5932833.कम्स
ये जुत महान सिवाचो , ज्ञानी धानी DRs एवं लेनिन की उतराधिकारी जगमतियो की सेवा में
विद मच हेट फ्रॉम
समर
मेरा मानना है, सिवाच जैसी वृति के लोग किसी मानसिक विकार या मानसिक आघात से ग्रस्त होते है !
इस तरह के विकार का मूल कारण, विगत में ऐसे लोग किसी तरह के असाधारण व् अनैतिक वयवहार के शिकार स्वयं भी रहे होते हैं !
ऐसा हरगिज संभव है कि मि. सिवाच या तो स्वयं इस तरह के वयवहार के भोगी रहे हैं या साक्षी रहे हैं!
खासकर बाल्यकाल में ऐसी किसी घटना से रूबरू होना उनके मनमस्तिष्क पर गहरी छाप छोड़ देता है और उनके वय्क्तितत्व को ताउम्र प्रभावित रखता है !
इन्ही कारणों के चलते ये लोग पलायनवादी हो जाते हैं ! समाजिक मान्यताओं के विरूद्ध आचरण करते हैं !
डॉ दौलतराम चौधरी, एक शिखाविद होने के साथ साथ एक प्रतिभाशाली पत्रकार भी थे ! राजनैतिक अभिलाषाएं भी थी ! अच्छी सुरुआत भी हुई ! बंसीलाल जी ने इन्हें हरयाणा प्रशाशनिक चयन बोर्ड का अध्यक्ष भी बना दिया था ! महत्वाकांक्षाएं और बढ़ी, लेकिन राजनीत एक अलग तरह का खेल है और उसमे वह विचारों और सोच के चलते अपने आपको ढाल नहीं पाए ! 'पींग शुरू किया, सिस्टम के विरुद्ध लिखते -२ हार थक घर बैठ गए ! पुरानी आदतें जब कभी कुलांचे मारती हैं तब अपनी भड़ास निकालने के लिए ऐसा कुछ लिख जाते है ! आदमी बुरे नहीं हैं , ऐसा कभी नजदीक रहे लोग मानते हैं! में भी कई बार मिल चुका हूँ !
जगमाती जी जिस संघठन से जुडी हैं, में उसे कामचोरों का 'टोल' मानता था और अब भी मानता हूँ ! ये लोग खुद, कुछ भी सकारात्मक नहीं करते और सबसे निट्ठले लोगों का समूह है !दुसरे मेहनतकश लोगों कि प्रोग्रेस से इर्षा करते हैं ! मुझे हैरानी इस बात कि होती है कि जगमती सरकारी नौकरी में होते हुए इस तरह कि बकवास लिखती रहती है !
सत्यपाल
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ravinderjeet
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samarkadian
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श्रीमान सिंह साहेब,
आप स्वयं के विपिन को लिखे वाक्यांश को देखिये और पुन: मेरा प्रतिउतर पढ़िए ! आपने उदृत किया था कि ये व्यक्ति सिर्फ ''आनर किलिंग'' के खिलाफ इखते हैं और एक प्रकार से आपने जगमती कि जमानत ली है कि वो जाटों के विरुद्ध नहीं लिखती और आश्चर्य का विषय ये है कि आपको इन लेखो में तनिक भी जाट-अवमानना के चिन्ह नहीं दिखाई दिए.इस महिला के पति कैसे हैं अथवा कैसे नहीं हैं इससे इसके स्वयम कि प्रतिबधता उजागर नहीं होती !
हम इस धागे में ऐसे व्यक्तियों कि संकीरण व् नीच मानसिकता एवं निहित स्वार्थ का विवेचन कर रहे हैं न कि आपकी वामपंथी या गैर-वामपंथी राजनैतिक विचारधारा का प्रमाण ले रहे हैं! आप एक प्रबुद्ध व्यक्ति हैं और इसके लिए आपका सर्वोपरि समान करते हैं ! आप किसी भी विचारधारा को प्रेम करे इस विषय से मुझे कोई आपति नहीं है किन्तु जैसा आपने लिखा कि आप हरेक विचारधारा को विवेक के तराजू में मापते हैं तब मै पूछना चाहता हूँ कि आपको इन लेखो में कुछ भी विषाक्त नज़र नहीं आया ? यही मै अपनी पूर्व पोस्ट में भी पूछ रहा था किन्तु आपने इसे घुमा दिया !
जैसा कि देशवाल सर ने व्यख्या कि dr एक प्रतिभाशाली परन्तु कुंठित व्यक्ति है और ऐसे ही जगमती सरकारी नौकरी में रहते हुए अपनी राजनितिक अभिलाषा से इतनी मोहित है कि इसे जाटों कि अच्छी परम्पराए भी तालिबानी एवं उत्पीडन युक्त लगती है ! जब वो अपनी जीविका के प्रति ही ईमानदार नहीं है तो सामाजिक भलाई कि बात तो कोसो दूर है
जहाँ तक सिवाच का विषय है वो मतिभ्रम एवं दिवास्वप्न में वास करने वाला व्यक्ति है जिसे toi जैसे तुच्छ पत्रकारिता वाले समाचारपत्र ने स्थान दे रखा है
ये जूता आतम-रक्षा के लिए दिखाया गया है जैसा कि महान भगत सिंह ने स्वयम कि विचारधारा के पक्ष में कहा था ! और विडंबना देखिये कि उसी महान व्यक्ति कि विचारधारा वाले तथाकथित व्यक्ति[ [जगमती] शाब्दिक प्रहार कर रहे हैं
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Dear Vijay
I agree with some of your observations. We often move away from the topic of discussion and the real issue would loose its impotence during the discussion. Even I got carried away with the stand and feelings of the fellow members. In fact, I am of the view that we still shy away from discussing a sensitive topic like this.
My main objection to Mr. Siwach's article should have been on different level. Actually, my objection to his article was two folds. One was that he unnecessarily singled out Haryana. Where as Incest is prevalent in every society including Haryana and other parts of India. We have recently witnessed worst kind of incest abuse in Australia and some times back in Austria.
Other objection is to his linking this to the 'Inter Gotra" Controversy and the involvement of the khaps. It may be argued that such topics may not be fully discussed in isolation. But, at least I felt that his intention of publishing his article was deliberate attempt to invite criticism and controversy.
Also, Mr. Siwach did not provide any link or detail for his observations.At the same time, it can't also be denied that incest is prevalent in Haryana as well other part of India.
I happened to read a report presented by BBC, Conducted by some NGO RAHI in New Delhi. Here is the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/259959.stm
We may doubt the authenticity of the report or may not agree fully with the data but can't completely ignore it.
I hope members could discuss it sincerely or request the moderators to close the thread.
Sateypal
I agree with some of your observations. We often move away from the topic of discussion and the real issue would loose its impotence during the discussion. Even I got carried away with the stand and feelings of the fellow members. In fact, I am of the view that we still shy away from discussing a sensitive topic like this.
My main objection to Mr. Siwach's article should have been on different level. Actually, my objection to his article was two folds. One was that he unnecessarily singled out Haryana. Where as Incest is prevalent in every society including Haryana and other parts of India. We have recently witnessed worst kind of incest abuse in Australia and some times back in Austria.
Other objection is to his linking this to the 'Inter Gotra" Controversy and the involvement of the khaps. It may be argued that such topics may not be fully discussed in isolation. But, at least I felt that his intention of publishing his article was deliberate attempt to invite criticism and controversy.
Also, Mr. Siwach did not provide any link or detail for his observations.At the same time, it can't also be denied that incest is prevalent in Haryana as well other part of India.
I happened to read a report presented by BBC, Conducted by some NGO RAHI in New Delhi. Here is the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/259959.stm
We may doubt the authenticity of the report or may not agree fully with the data but can't completely ignore it.
I hope members could discuss it sincerely or request the moderators to close the thread.
Sateypal
Interestingly, I found no other information on this topic concerning Haryana other than Mr Siwach's article and also a dozens of blogs, sites that carry same article from TOI, including a Pakistani Daily.
The only source quoted by Mr Siwach was a study by UNICEF in Rohtak Disst. of Haryana and the sample size of 83 girls. No more information or source anywhere but vague statements by individuals in other articles.
Some statements, are unbelievably so absurd that it leads to instant irritation. Some Proff. Ravinder Kaur of IIT Delhi was quoted as saying, “In North India, the father-in-law almost had the right to physical relations with a daughter-in-law, and in most cases the female was not in a position to resist much.
The very young husband also had no say in the matter.
Widows would routinely be married to a brother of the dead husband. Sharing of the wife by brothers was also not uncommon, ” says Ravinder Kaur, a professor at IIT-Delhi.
I can understand the anger of members as we all come from that background and know how the facts have been twisted and exaggerated to sensationalize and to make it a bit spicy reading. But again I would reiterate that there would be isolated consented and unconsented cases in rural as well as urban Haryana.
Sateypal
The only source quoted by Mr Siwach was a study by UNICEF in Rohtak Disst. of Haryana and the sample size of 83 girls. No more information or source anywhere but vague statements by individuals in other articles.
Some statements, are unbelievably so absurd that it leads to instant irritation. Some Proff. Ravinder Kaur of IIT Delhi was quoted as saying, “In North India, the father-in-law almost had the right to physical relations with a daughter-in-law, and in most cases the female was not in a position to resist much.
The very young husband also had no say in the matter.
Widows would routinely be married to a brother of the dead husband. Sharing of the wife by brothers was also not uncommon, ” says Ravinder Kaur, a professor at IIT-Delhi.
I can understand the anger of members as we all come from that background and know how the facts have been twisted and exaggerated to sensationalize and to make it a bit spicy reading. But again I would reiterate that there would be isolated consented and unconsented cases in rural as well as urban Haryana.
Sateypal
@Vijay @Deshwal ji: I fully concur with the views expressed by both of you. In fact I also owe the responsibility of taking the topic slightly off the rails by making some 'off the cuff' remarks which I feel were necessitated by introduction of two unwarranted characters in the 'Siwach Episode' by some of our distinguished writers. I couldn't help react to it as they were not directly concerned with the present episode and their articles on Khaps do not deal with 'incest'. Moreover, we had already discussed them at length under a different topic concerning same-gotra marriage etc. Hence, there was no need at all to revive these characters. This could be because of my little interaction with one of the characters that I thought it necessary to give a brief background information about her credentials.
Now that we have come on the track again, I would like to say that unparliamentary and violent reactions to objectionable articles in media are not going to help. The antics like 'display and use of shoes' may again be reported as a cheap gimmick by 'hostile' media which would further worsen the already tarnished image of Jat community. We should counter such articles by logical arguments documented through media. If we think media is biased and don't carry our articles, we must go further and take up the matter with appropriate regulatory authorities controlling media. The moderators have started a thread also on 'Jats and a dialogue with media', perhaps. Our think-tanks must make use of this thread instead of using foul language and circulating 'e-juta' on this already congested web-site. Let us make efforts to make Jatland a very rich web-site by giving our valuable inputs rather than exhorting Juta parade and 'photogaraphs of broken shoes'.
Now that we have come on the track again, I would like to say that unparliamentary and violent reactions to objectionable articles in media are not going to help. The antics like 'display and use of shoes' may again be reported as a cheap gimmick by 'hostile' media which would further worsen the already tarnished image of Jat community. We should counter such articles by logical arguments documented through media. If we think media is biased and don't carry our articles, we must go further and take up the matter with appropriate regulatory authorities controlling media. The moderators have started a thread also on 'Jats and a dialogue with media', perhaps. Our think-tanks must make use of this thread instead of using foul language and circulating 'e-juta' on this already congested web-site. Let us make efforts to make Jatland a very rich web-site by giving our valuable inputs rather than exhorting Juta parade and 'photogaraphs of broken shoes'.
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The original poster wanted to discuss the below.
He asked are these things limited to rural haryana? Rural haryana means jats. Yes when the name rural haryana comes then jats comes automatically.
The original poster also said its a very bad article to malign our state? And the article was by whom? Sukhbir Siwach.
So discussing sukhbir siwach, his intentions, his motive are very well within the theme of the thread. The article has also quoted DR chaudhary, hence even he is connected though distantly. S.s's intention are very clear. Moreover in his article he didnt suggest any remedies. Also the article itself is not written after well research. His quotes from an anti hindu sites also reflect his approach. He himself forget that bhrama was cursed by shiva for 'unknowlingly' having a bad eye on his daughter. So from the very first reference in mythology incests are punished.
Also people are mixing two thing together. Child sexual abuse and incest. Though both are correlated but have different meaning.
The S.S claims it happens more in rural areas however as far as child sexual abuse is concerned. I think it happens more in urban and semi urban areas. Reason : The culprit get lonely child more often in urban areas then in rural areas. In rural areas its hard to find a lonely child except in khets as they is always someone present at home
Sukhbir Siwach says : Incest is our heritage. He also claims its more in rural haryana due to skewed sex ratio. Then how could he explain the incest in west where they have equal sex ratio? Child pornography is a problem in west. How would he explain where culprits(in child sex abuse) are married and are so called 'uncle'. What does this has to do with sex ratio?
He quoted Yama in incest reference but the fool doesnt know that Yama was against incest relation and was cursed because of that.
Anyway child sex abuse is really an issue in all societies. The solution is legalise (slowly-slowly) prostitution and sex education. Educate our children about these things so that they know if any such advances are made towards them. Educate them how to deal with such situations. Educate them to report these immediately to parents and even to police.
He asked are these things limited to rural haryana? Rural haryana means jats. Yes when the name rural haryana comes then jats comes automatically.
The original poster also said its a very bad article to malign our state? And the article was by whom? Sukhbir Siwach.
So discussing sukhbir siwach, his intentions, his motive are very well within the theme of the thread. The article has also quoted DR chaudhary, hence even he is connected though distantly. S.s's intention are very clear. Moreover in his article he didnt suggest any remedies. Also the article itself is not written after well research. His quotes from an anti hindu sites also reflect his approach. He himself forget that bhrama was cursed by shiva for 'unknowlingly' having a bad eye on his daughter. So from the very first reference in mythology incests are punished.
Also people are mixing two thing together. Child sexual abuse and incest. Though both are correlated but have different meaning.
The S.S claims it happens more in rural areas however as far as child sexual abuse is concerned. I think it happens more in urban and semi urban areas. Reason : The culprit get lonely child more often in urban areas then in rural areas. In rural areas its hard to find a lonely child except in khets as they is always someone present at home
Sukhbir Siwach says : Incest is our heritage. He also claims its more in rural haryana due to skewed sex ratio. Then how could he explain the incest in west where they have equal sex ratio? Child pornography is a problem in west. How would he explain where culprits(in child sex abuse) are married and are so called 'uncle'. What does this has to do with sex ratio?
He quoted Yama in incest reference but the fool doesnt know that Yama was against incest relation and was cursed because of that.
Anyway child sex abuse is really an issue in all societies. The solution is legalise (slowly-slowly) prostitution and sex education. Educate our children about these things so that they know if any such advances are made towards them. Educate them how to deal with such situations. Educate them to report these immediately to parents and even to police.
Dear fellow members,
1)I spoke to Mr Siwach over the phone and has asked him to be a member of our site.
He needs to answer some very relevant questions put up by some members here.
2) Vp ji, it seems you have not watched numerous discussions on TV where Jagmati has participated. Had you seen, you would not have defended her so.
She always speaks about Jats controlling their women and poor people and much more.
The 'rule of thumb' to control women I suppose evolved in England.
I happened to read about it in a book titled "Battered Women".
google 'thumb rule' ... i paste here some of what i got...
It is often claimed that the term originally referred to a law that limited the maximum thickness of a stick with which it was permissible for a man to beat his wife, but this has been discredited.[1][3] British common law before the reign of Charles II permitted a man to give his wife "moderate correction", but no "rule of thumb" (whether called by this name or not) has ever been the law in England.
....Nonetheless, belief in the existence of a "rule of thumb" law to excuse spousal abuse can be traced as far back as 1782, the year that James Gillray published his satirical cartoon Judge Thumb. The cartoon lambastes Sir Francis Buller, a British judge, for allegedly ruling that a man may legally beat his wife, provided that he used a stick no thicker than his thumb,
.... In the United States, legal decisions in Mississippi (1824) and North Carolina (1868 and 1874) make reference to—and reject—an unnamed "old doctrine" or "ancient law" by which a man was allowed to beat his wife with a stick no wider than his thumb.
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We Jats know our drawbacks, there is so much that needs to be done. But these Jagmatis/DRs/Siwach should stop sensationalising things for their own selfish motives.
Things will change, but at their own pace. No over-night changes can be expected in a society.
Also, not everything need to be changed.
Maligning a community in media is not going to solve any problems.
And irresponsible journalism would be harmful for these journos as well as these newspapers.
regards,
bharti.
1)I spoke to Mr Siwach over the phone and has asked him to be a member of our site.
He needs to answer some very relevant questions put up by some members here.
2) Vp ji, it seems you have not watched numerous discussions on TV where Jagmati has participated. Had you seen, you would not have defended her so.
She always speaks about Jats controlling their women and poor people and much more.
The 'rule of thumb' to control women I suppose evolved in England.
I happened to read about it in a book titled "Battered Women".
google 'thumb rule' ... i paste here some of what i got...
It is often claimed that the term originally referred to a law that limited the maximum thickness of a stick with which it was permissible for a man to beat his wife, but this has been discredited.[1][3] British common law before the reign of Charles II permitted a man to give his wife "moderate correction", but no "rule of thumb" (whether called by this name or not) has ever been the law in England.
....Nonetheless, belief in the existence of a "rule of thumb" law to excuse spousal abuse can be traced as far back as 1782, the year that James Gillray published his satirical cartoon Judge Thumb. The cartoon lambastes Sir Francis Buller, a British judge, for allegedly ruling that a man may legally beat his wife, provided that he used a stick no thicker than his thumb,
.... In the United States, legal decisions in Mississippi (1824) and North Carolina (1868 and 1874) make reference to—and reject—an unnamed "old doctrine" or "ancient law" by which a man was allowed to beat his wife with a stick no wider than his thumb.
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We Jats know our drawbacks, there is so much that needs to be done. But these Jagmatis/DRs/Siwach should stop sensationalising things for their own selfish motives.
Things will change, but at their own pace. No over-night changes can be expected in a society.
Also, not everything need to be changed.
Maligning a community in media is not going to solve any problems.
And irresponsible journalism would be harmful for these journos as well as these newspapers.
regards,
bharti.
Bharti ji, I do not claim to have watched all the TV programmes covering Jagmati but remember to have watched at least three in the recent past (one on NDTV, One on ZEE and one on some other channel may be India TV). As far as my graying memory cells recollect, she never said that incest is very common among Jats in Haryana. She was, of course, vehemently critical of the functioning of Khaps which many of us on JL also did, without maligning the entire Jat community purposely or otherwise. Therefore, the underlining argument is that she should not have been dragged on this thread which deals exclusively with the article of Mr. Siwach on a different topic i.e. alleged ‘incest’. Number two, even if she was ever reported to have been indulged in the crime of alleging Jats of incest, the punishment proposed to be handed down by our colleagues is not in conformity with our ‘rich tradition’ of respecting women. If she is guilty of tempering with our chastity, she could be contacted by our community leaders and counseled not to do so again. If she doesn’t listen, we can challenge her arguments by our counterpoints in media. If media doesn’t accommodate us we can go to Press Council or move the court with a defamation suit. Resorting to foul means viz. abusive language and display/use of shoes etc., that too against a woman, does not behove of a civilized society like ours. I do not think anybody would ever do that (and one better not to do) as it would provide the hostile sections of media another alibi to malign the community.
In our Vedas it is perhaps written somewhere that : [FONT="]यत्र[/FONT] [FONT="]नार्यस्तु[/FONT] [FONT="]पूज्यन्ते[/FONT] [FONT="]वसन्ते[/FONT] [FONT="]तत्र[/FONT] [FONT="]देवता. I have all respect for ladies and would be the last person to endorse any such move (including the ‘thumb rule’ as quoted by you) which contravenes the prescriptions of our rich cultural heritage and social values.[/FONT]
Warm regards
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VP ji,
Things have changed in 'recent past', so the change in Jagmatis' attack too. Have you noticed that Bengali journo no longer writes anything on Khaps and Jats and Jatland( yes, she did that story on our Jatland too)? Why? Because some things must have changed in 'recent past'
Now the paper uses these Jat journalists and that too not so often.
It had been a year long campaign, or maybe for more than a year, the Benglan and her team was the one writing against Khaps/Jats. Jagmati/AIDWA and DR were in full support.
It all began with that campaign and Jagmati and DR were very much a part of that.
I do not read this story of Incest by Siwach in isolation. This is a part of that campaign and all of the Jagmatis/DRs are part of it. Moreover, marrying within gotra/village is incest for Jats and she advocates Manojs and Bablis. And here we are discussing incest in Haryana particularly among Jats. So her name is bound to be dragged in this discussion.
regards,
bharti.
Things have changed in 'recent past', so the change in Jagmatis' attack too. Have you noticed that Bengali journo no longer writes anything on Khaps and Jats and Jatland( yes, she did that story on our Jatland too)? Why? Because some things must have changed in 'recent past'
Now the paper uses these Jat journalists and that too not so often.
It had been a year long campaign, or maybe for more than a year, the Benglan and her team was the one writing against Khaps/Jats. Jagmati/AIDWA and DR were in full support.
It all began with that campaign and Jagmati and DR were very much a part of that.
I do not read this story of Incest by Siwach in isolation. This is a part of that campaign and all of the Jagmatis/DRs are part of it. Moreover, marrying within gotra/village is incest for Jats and she advocates Manojs and Bablis. And here we are discussing incest in Haryana particularly among Jats. So her name is bound to be dragged in this discussion.
regards,
bharti.
At last there is some action not words. The article written by Mr. Siwatch is just a show of poor journalism and is unwarranted. The acrimony in his article about rural society in Haryana clearly suggests that he has been influenced by some anti-social element.But the point is showing our anger in these posts in not going to stop him writing further.
We know that media plays a bigger role in shaping people opinions.Avoiding reading TOI can be a solution but not the complete one. There might be many people in India, who don’t know much about Haryana and Khaps, can be grossly miss-leaded by this poor journalism. One solution is as what VP sir has suggested, “The matter needs to be taken up with Press Council of India or other appropriate authority regulating the scurrilous writing.” Or invite these Journalist to our platform and discuss the topic at the length can help. Otherwise TOI or some other newspaper will be publishing these forever.
This is already done by many. It was raised with TOI too.
Do you know anyone who has done this before? If that is true, then the other solution is take this matter to the court that a complaint was lodged against these newspapers for publishing fallacious information and no action has been taken by the Press council of India or some other authority.
vpsingh;252522 .... .... which would further [B said:
"yad bhaavam tad bhavati" - You perceive according to your mental makeup.
This media portrayed image of the community should be discarded. The community has given an un-matching fame to the country in sports (recently in Olympics) and has sacrificed enough lives to defend and protect the country folks to be described in a tarnished image.
On this incest thing, whoever I have spoken to on this, in last few days, no one even has even heard any such incidents in Haryana in their whole life. I am really wondering how Mr Sukhbir Siwach could build such imaginations and how was it allowed to be published in a major (circulation) daily?
Yes I do know. Some people have reported this. Other details are in various forums. I myself have reported this as well. I reported this to TOI too and as you know Bharti ji has spoken to Sukhbir Siwach herself.
It has been 3 days now. So far I havent heard anything back. Once I hear anything back I would post it here. But I am not very hopeful of a reply.