Friends, are we writing eulogies or discussing Lok Pal??
On a Lighter side, Lokpal mein Kolaveri ka tadaka!!
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Eagerly waiting for your counter argument VP Ji and be assured that BJP and/or Team Anna are not sponsoring me.Whatever I said is solely my opinion based on observation of recent developments and my little knowledge of Indian constitution.
Friends, are we writing eulogies or discussing Lok Pal??
Sita Ram Bhai, I will again go through the remaining points in due course. But, on the issue of Lokayukta I am still not convinced. I don't see a big issue in it even if it would have constituted an infringement upon the State List. You know, first we need a strong and unified centre against the menace of corruption and the autonomy of States comes later. In the name of federalism, we can not afford to give unlimited powers to the states where the tiny regional groupings might indulge in acts of corruption without any strong unified and centralized mechanism. It was not without any reason that Sardar Patel brought all the princely states under one umbrella. Now, in the name of autonomy so many regional parties are engaged in horse trading and blackmailing.
We can't help horse trading and blackmailing and these things are also used by congress, specially horse trading. Congress run its 2 terms of power only by buying the MPs.
Lokayukt issue is clear, if govt. wants to bring, govt. must have put it under article 253 to make it mandatory but why dilema in this issue? Making it optional and putting it under 253 is absolute blunder, it is like "dhobi ka kutta ghar ka na ghaat ka". The very base of Indian constitution can not be altered as said by the supreme court. Federalism is one of them.
The issue is not only anti-corrption in the bill, it brings discipline with it as well. Discipline can not be given to lokayukt. It is the state govt. issue, period.
What I am trying to say is, the provisions are so badly put in the bill that a lay person like me can sense the vulnerabilities and back them with constitutional provisions. There are big lawyers (liars also) in the cabinet committe on lokpal bill, how can they make this kind of blunders? It tells their real motive behind this bill.
भाई जाखड़ , इसमें कांग्रेस आल्ला की के गलती स , गलती तो भाजपा आल्ला की स उनने भाव ठीक कोणी लाये घोड़ा के
असली संसोधन तो जाटलैंड आल्ले करण लागरे स , लोकसभा राज्यसभा वाले तो 3 दिन में ऐ थक हार लिए संसोधना न लेके | ले लो हाथ गाल के खींच दो मीटर सा बजट सैसन में इबके थामने पूरी तैयारी त जाणा स![]()
There is no harm in discussing them but it should be in positive mood/perspective.
1. If you have a bigger army of public servants, you need a big army to control them. A merger of CVC with lokpal is feasible.
2. There is no power concentration, lokapl will/can be made accountable to the parliament like CAG.
3. If laws were to be implemented, this govt. would have gone long ago. CAG like institution is required which works independantly. You have seen, CAG has brought this govt. to it's feet already in 2G scam.
4. There are checks, parliament can remove lokpal, like CAG and high/supreme court judges. If CAG, EC can work independantly, why not lokpal?
Bad governance makes it more evident that we need an indepandent agency to check corruption. What is the problem in making CBI independant? If CAG, EC are working, CBI can also function.
Jakhar Bhai,
The need of Lokpal emerged when other investigation agencies are not effective in tackling corruption. Now we are encapsulating ombudsman to tackle the corruption rather than addressing the real cause. Yes I agree that JanLokpal have some points which addresses the shortcoming of current ombudsman but that does come at a significant cost and risk. There are many reasons behind the corruption in existing system. Making some agency independent won't solve the issue of corruption completely. Having said that if you make CBI independent, there are risks associated with it. In some cases, CBI handles very sensitive information pertain to a country which could be Indian diplomatic relations with other countries etc. You got to consider that point of view as well. Now the other issue is bringing everything under one umbrella and having super powers. This is called "Power Concentration". If that is the concept then there is no need of having other governance. Then why do we have State and Centre Government. Why do we have different ombudsman for different sectors. What if Lokpal get corrupt. That means every sector becomes corrupt. Moreover an independent Lokapl might fall into trap of issues like Nepotism, mal-procecution etc. Now if you think that stringent laws can prevent corruption by making fear among bureaucrats then I would disagree with you. There are other issues associated with it. 1. Bureaucrats would hesitate to make calls. and that could hurt the Indian Economy very badly. 2 Draconian Bureaucrats. In my opinion, I would reiterate that its better to address the cause rather than coming with draconian laws which are stressing too much on "cure" and pose a threat to democracy. I would like to cite one of blog:
http://exitopinionpollsindia.blogspot.com/2011/08/why-jan-lok-pal-bill-is-draconian.html
Excerpt from the above blog:
There is a need for the nation to appreciate why Reforms 2.0 is a much superior option than a bill. For starters, their comparative track record should conclusively establish the superiority of the reforms over legislation. Besides, reforms are people liberating while legislation are people stifling.
Data from the real world indicate that societies with greater economic freedom have lower corruption. The differential rates of corruption of Hong Kong and Mainland China are a case in point. Despite capital punishment and draconian laws, corruption rate is much higher for mainland China than Hong Kong. As seen from above freedom from corruption index chart; Hong Kong is far above the world average while India and China are almost at par, this despite China's much "stronger" laws. Why? Simply because Hong Kong has a higher level of economic freedom and for a much longer time.
Accepting this approach does not mean that legislation has no place. All it means that reforms have to be the primary strategy of fighting corruption while legislation plays a secondary complementary role - to act as a deterrent and punish those who break the law. While the Jan Lok Pal Bill exudes a strong political intent of fighting corruption, the fact is, it is a poor solution and if implemented in its current form threatens vibrancy of both governance and the sustainability of economic resurgence:
If you take example of other developed countries like USA, Australia, UK. You find the same observation. And also please check the "Ease Of Doing Business Index". Which reveals about the economic freedom of a country. And also check the associated corruption index of that country.
Ease of Doing Business:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ease_of_Doing_Business_Index
Corruption Index:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
Example:
Ease of doing business rank :
New Zealand: 3
Singapore : 1
Corruption Perception Index Rank:
New Zealand: 1
Singapore: 5
CBI doesnot handle foreign or diplomatic investigations, it neither is responsible for national security issues. There are several other agencies specially for these tasks, like RAW. IB etc.
There isn't much danger of this power concentration. This propaganda has actually come from the fear of loosing power, which is currently highly concentrated with the political leaders and ministries. Even after lokpal bill, parliament will retain it's supremacy and in the very remote worst case, if something of this sort happens, the parliament can amend laws appropriately. We need not worry about this, we need to only worry about removing corruption which is eating into our lives everyday.
Friend,CBI doesnot handle foreign or diplomatic investigations, it neither is responsible for national security issues. There are several other agencies specially for these tasks, like RAW. IB etc.
There is no harm in discussing them but it should be in positive mood/perspective.
3. If laws were to be implemented, this govt. would have gone long ago. CAG like institution is required which works independantly. You have seen, CAG has brought this govt. to it's feet already in 2G scam.
4. There are checks, parliament can remove lokpal, like CAG and high/supreme court judges. If CAG, EC can work independantly, why not lokpal?
Bad governance makes it more evident that we need an indepandent agency to check corruption. What is the problem in making CBI independant? If CAG, EC are working, CBI can also function.
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