This is why I hate ISLAM

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deswal said:
Thanks for sharing more of your views, Dahiya Sahab! Let others' comments be poured in. In the meantime : Do you believe percentage of moderates is relatively lower in Muslims. If yes, what are the reasons and possible remedial action?
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Moderation and Islam don't go together. If at all there any groups in Islam, they are rigid and very rigid and extremely rigid ones. In Saudi Arabia every student spends about 1/3rd of his time in religious studies. Even talking about any other religion can invite death sentense in many of the Islamic countries. Human brain needs freedom to be creative. Islam does not have any place for free thinking and this is the reason that they are locked in past. Revolution has to come from within.

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Remedy

I agree that "revolution has to come from within" .
The problem is that there is very small number of muslims who think that a "revolution" is needed. I think that there won't be any revolution but rather an IMPLOSION , these people carry so much hatered in there hearts and minds that when they won't find anybody else to kill they will start killing each other. For eg. you can see that in IRAQ they are killing each other ( SHIA & SUNNI) wo kahte hain na ki jab Paap ka ghada bhar jata hai to .........
 
these people dnt even excuse even Chhoturam

due to whom they r thr. at this height. they bloody never knew how taimur faced jats in mongolia n thereafter in india in western UP, i.e. sarvkhap panchayat.
 
oe, guddu nadir shah ji, ye nadar pe aap thoda prakash to dalo

bhai u nadar te hum ne kadi kitte koyna sunya. thoda aap is pe prakash dalenege ji? ya bhai kitt ka gott se? kitne gaon se? kitt sen? ya te bhai koi bahut hi badda gott dikkhe se!




crsnadar said:
Dear All,
NAMASTE.

I want to know ki,
JIS DESH ME DO WAQT KI ROTI KE LIYE LALE PADE HUE HAIN AUR DESH PAL PAL JANSANKHYA KE BOJH SE DABA HI JA RAHA HAE WAHA YE LOG 10-12 BACHCHE PAIDA KAR RAHE HAI TO PHIR BHI KYA YE LOG SADBHAVANA KE HAQDAAR HAIN?

YA PHIR IS DESH KA HINDU TAB JAAGEGA JAB KOI VIKALP HI NAHI BACHEGA AUR PHIR SE DANGA AUR BHUKHAMRI PHELEGI?

PAR YAAD RAKHNA KI HAR BAAR JEET EK KI HI NAHI HOTI.
DUSRI BAAR CHAUHAN BHI HAAR GAYA THA.

ek baat aur,
JIS DESH ME LOG JAISE TAISE APNA PET PAAL RAHE HAI AUR PHIR BHI HUM KAI HAZAR CARORE RUPYE DEFENCE ME LAGA DETE HAIN AUR RESEARCH ME LAGA DETE HAIN, KYA ISLIYE KI INKA ISTEMAAL BILKUL BHI NAHI KARNA HAI, YA PHIR INKA ISTEMAAL KEVEL INDIAN PILOTS KO TRAINIG ME MAARNE AUR JAB INME JUNG LAG JAAYE TO INHE SHOWPIECE BANAKAR SAJA DEIN?
KYA YE ITNA PAISA ISLIYE HI KHARCH HO RAHA HAI?

JAWAB DIJIYE.

BYE
Rahul Nadar
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Reasons

Dr Tewatia,

Can you kindly contribute in our efforts to identify the reasons for their being what they are today. I do hope you can. Please! On receipt of more inputs we will try to straighten the loose ends.
 
Namaste Tewathia Sir.

Dear Tewathia Sir,
The gotra NADAR is actually NADARYA.
They are also called BOHRE.

I m from Bulandshahar District village FIROZPUR.
on Khuraj-Jewar (Jewar Tappal Jattari Peshawa etc.) road this village exists.

Brij bhasha yahan boli jaati hai.
12 village yahan par hai.
12 village Bulandshahar-Anupshahar road par hai
& so many villages are there in Rohtak (Haryana) at Bohargarh.
150-200 saal pahle ye NADARYA BOHRE Rohatk se hi aakar base the yahan.
Aisa bade bujurg log batate hai humko.

my village is FIROZPUR.
neighbour village GOTHNI (Tewathia & NADAR are there).
Fomere VC of Meerut university is from GOTHNI (Dr R P Singh).

Baaki agar koi bahut bada gotra nahi to bahut chhota bhi nahi hai.
Hum maan lete hai ki aapka hi gotra bada hai aur hamara chhota par sammaan chaaronn taraf hae thoda bahut hamare gotra ka jabki hamare pados me Thakuron ke gaon jyaada hai, lekin chalti JATon ki hi hai.

Bye
RAHUL NADAR
 
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deswal said:
Dear Friends,

The best thing about this thread is that many people have contributed. All have their points—straight from their hearts.

Most of the subscribers hate either the Islam or the Islamic people. As of today the scenario is not different in other parts of the non Muslim population. Reasons are obvious. I ,now, wish to take this discussion to the more practical side: solution. Sub-topic is “ How to Handle the Muslim Community of Today?” Can we eliminate them from the globe? A firm no! Can we simply ignore them? I think no given their worldwide population. I believe everybody agrees upto this point. Can we convert them to other religions and if so will they be better people after such conversion, if possible at all? What are the other possible ways of handling them? I hope if we are able to find the appropriate answer, that will be our best contribution to the mankind. And till we find any solution, should we hate them? If yes, which other religion on this earth teaches hatred towards members of the other communities? If none, are we right if we hate them? I am not saying we should love them when they hate us. I feel hatred is like a baby that harms its own mother. My question is what should be our response. Should we behave towards them as they do towards us ? Or should we try to make them behave themselves, when ever and where ever they act differently? This problem is not jat specific or Hindu specific. It rather concerns the whole non Islamic world.
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Deswalji, Appaki uljhan kaafi tricky hai.
Manv to hum ban jaayen lekin doosre ki guarantee nahin hai. Aap shanti se rahna chahen lekin kya woh bhi shanti rakhne ke liye tayyar hai ?

A guess non- muslims dont really have a choice.
Prophet unamguously laid down that this world is Dar-ul-harb and it has to be converted to Dar-ul-slaam. He made it a religious duty for every believer. And created the stories of '72 houries and charming young men' as incentives for dirty jobs. The mullahs picked up from where he left, and have been refining the strategies to ensure the the Islamic ideology keeps flourishing through arousing hatred against all things 'kafir' . Prophet himself practised every immoral act like deception, terrorism, rape, plunder, daam, bhed, subjugation - dhimmitude, etc to force people into Islam. So no immoral action is propbhited as long as the victim of islam is a 'kafir'

Ye3s, its is always some people who act like this. Unfortunately, all through the age, islam has had enough misguided persons or vested interests to keep the offensive going against non-muslims. .. If the bits and peices of political, religious and social happenings all over the world are considered as a whole, this popuilation of volunteers will only multiply.. It is not going to reduce.. nowhere in the world.
Non muslims really have no choice but to defend.. But then, defensive action never won any war. At best it avoided defeat for the time being. For the time being, because today it is Syed Shahabbudin, some years latewr it will be another bhai-bhand of his.

Some poeple are talking of an implosion.. That is again remote. How long should the free world wait and hope like hell that till the muslim world implodes and reforms itself to human standards, the war will not reach their homes ???
As things stand today no body is immune to acts of terrorism.. no body and absolutely nowhere in the world. If you have been following news you must be aware that today LeT, HeI etc have support cells all over India, the terrorist are coming from even remote parts of Africa and Americas, and within mainland muslim organisations there is open support to Kasjhmiri terrorism & seperatism.
It may also be recalled that no muslim moderate leader or mullah or ideologue or personality (like Praful Bidwai Shabana Azmi , Safdar Hashmi, Mr Pataudi ) etc have ever said that Kashmiri muslims should not think of seperatism.
 
Conclusion

Dear Friends,

We will try to sum up the reasons for Muslims' being as they are, next Sunday. Please try to figure out the reasons and post your comments as soon as you can.

Thanks!
 
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islam koi darm nai hai yeh toh manavta ke nam per kalank hai




jis admi ke dil mein karoona nam ki cheej nai hoti woh eslam hai
hatya karna aur gandgi inka dharm hai



jai hind jai jat
 
At the outset let me make an earnest request to the worthy members to be excused for trying my pen on a topic I am no authority on. Social science has never been my subject of study at any level. So the present effort is based on what I could perceive in day to day life including visits to the Jatland.com.

Reasons for what they are appear to be more of geographical in nature than religious.

As we know Islam originated in the Arab heartland and spread to other countries of Asia and Africa in the 7th century. In most of the areas that came under its influence from 7th century onwards did not have access to any kind of modern education. Many countries, except India and a few other countries, were very poor in natural resources until discovery of oil in the 20th century and thus did not attract the European colonisers. Most of the Muslim population, therefore, does not have exposure to the modern education which could have kindled the process of free thinking among its members. Many of us may be knowing that notwithstanding his stand on creation of Pakistan Mohamad Ali Jinnah was a free thinker because of the influence of modern education and was alleged (by his critics in the Muslim community—Rafiq Jakaria’s book may be read for further details) to have slighted Islamic tenets on more than one occasions. Fate of some uneducated muslim daring so to do can only be imagined even after half a century Jinnah did so . Stories about such instances from Afghanistan are available on this site. So I have no hesitation to say that lack of modern education is the first and foremost reason for their present position.

2. Secodly with the discovery of oil in the Arab/gulf region in the 20th century when easy money became available any motivation for getting modern education got buried deep in the desert. A new class of economically rich but socially poor emerged. Unfortunately, a part of the newly found easy money found its way among the Muslims outside the oil rich region in the form of charities. More unfortunately, most of this money is being used to fuel the flames of hatred against the non Muslims either by the secessionists or by the mullahs to serve their selfish ends. Pertinently the Quran Shareef, and I am delighted to say, has atleast one chapter (Ayat No 109) that speaks in conciliatory terms about followers of the other faiths.

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The Disbelievers

109.1 O unbelievers!
109.2 I do not serve which you serve,
109.3 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
109.4 Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
109.5 Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve;
109.6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

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So I firmly believe that their scripture commands them to adopt the principle of ‘live and let live’. These are the mullahs and secessionists that are misguiding them to the world of hatred , contempt and so called jehad in order to serve their selfish ends. Frankly speaking every religion has such kind of elements. Difference lies in the percentage. Among the Muslims this percentage is on very high side because of their educational backwardness and availability of easy money which make them relatively more vulnerable to negative propaganda.

3. Third and the last reason I believe is the monarchial or autocratic system of governance in most of Islamic countries. Needless to state that such system suppresses the seeds of free thought.

4. In view of above I personally feel that so long as they do not develop a taste for the modern scietific education and have access to easy money they are going to remain as they are. No body except they themselves can help them out of this.

5. Lastly about our reaction and attitude towards them. I personnaly feel we must refrain from falling into the tempetation of ‘hate for hate’. If we hate we are going to lose some how or the other and in some form or the other. I am not advocating that we should love them when they hate us. But there is something in between. They desreve pitty and not hate or contempt. Formidable is the word that should beat describe us to them.


Learned and worthy members may kindly like to comment.
 
The Inter-religious Council of Russia opposed the construction of a large Hindu temple in Moscow, as it “does not conform with the historical and cultural tradition of the Russian capital”

•Representatives on the Council included the Department of External Church Affairs of the Moscow Patriarchy, Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad; acting chairman of the Central Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Russia, Mufti of Perm Oblast Muhammadgali Khuzin and other faith leaders
Mufti Khuzin underscored that "Russia is a country that has a thousand year old tradition not only of Orthodoxy, but also Islam, Judaism and Buddhism, and construction in its capital city of a large Hindu temple centre would be, to a certain degree, a sacrilege."

Why does the Mufti have to oppose a Hare-Krishna temple ?
 
my view

iam totaly agree with u
every party is trying to lure muslims votes like they are guests in india
due to this no such laws can be implemented against islamic fundamentalists
1. like there population is increseing at very high pace
3. in one statement imam of jama masjid said if priwar niyojan be applyied on us we will come on streets to openly revolt
4.congress is also supporting them if there is Pota they say against muslims only ,in many states where congress govt is there they are going for there reservations again and again,
5.muslim vote bank is causing problem
the main culprits are own political parties



YogeshJagal said:
Dahiya saab!

Apne bulbule mein se London bahot dekh liya, eb India mein dekho te ke ho rah!

I'm amazed that nobody ask what is the strategy of govt. to cop up with this dangerous mentality. The problem is that they always keep themselves isolated. They are too many in India (30% or more of total population) to be ignored. Therefore, 'eb sirf Hate se kaam na chalye'. Govt. need to bring them in the mainstream and take strong steps to curb islamic fundamentalists.
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