Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostrasized by JAT's... Yes or No ?

[singhvp]

VP Sahib

Did you really mean to write this?

Do you have evidence for this?

Ravi Chaudhary

Ravi Sahab,

Even though, I have very convincing reply, I have decided not to reply to your post to avoid any potential controversy in view of the turbulent weather nowadays. My earlier post may also be deleted if found objectionable by you.

 

[brahmtewatia]

Khap issue & Irresponsible Media - brahm P. tewatia ko gussa kyun aata hai !


माईलौर्ड अपनी अगली पोस्ट लिखने से पहले मैं कुछ अर्ज़ करना चाहूँगा...

जाटलैंड पर सबसे पहली पोस्ट में यह कह दिया गया था कि मर्डर करना गुनाह है...
लेकिन मीडिया ने नहीं सुना, और जाटों के कल्चर को नष्ट करने कि पूरी साज़िश कि गई.
दूसरी पोस्ट के आने से पहले, मीडिया ने हंगामा कर दिया और केस बना दिया दफा 302 के तहत मर्डर का.
जबकि जाटलैंड पर सबने यह कबूल कर लिया था, कि मर्डर करना गुनाह है और जाटों का कल्चर बिलकुल सही है.

और मैं भी यह सच अपनी पोस्ट में लिखने ही वाला था कि चड्ढा साहब (मीडिया एंड पिस्सू's) ने फिर से अपनी चाल चल दी (2nd episode on ndtv)
और पब्लिक को गुमराह करके हमें फिर से पोस्ट लिखने पर मजबूर कर दिया.
नहीं तो माईलौर्ड पहली पोस्ट के बाद ही ये साबित हो गया था कि मर्डर करना गुनाह है... गुनाह.
और आज... आज आप फिर से पोस्ट लिखवाने पर मजबूर कर रहे हैं ?

इस पोस्ट[FONT=&quot] को लिखने से पहले जाटों का कल्चर ख़तम हो जायेगा माईलौर्ड, और [/FONT]आप केस बनायेंगे तालिबानी हुकूमत का.
... और फिर से पोस्ट[FONT=&quot] लिखने को कह देंगे.[/FONT]
और इस तरह, ना तो कोई पोस्ट लिखने वाला रहेगा और न ही हमारे इस कल्चर को बचाने वाला
... रह जाएगी तो बस ये पोस्ट.

[FONT=&quot]और जाटलैंड पर यही होता आया है माई लौर्ड... [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
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पोस्ट पे पोस्ट, पोस्ट पे पोस्ट, पोस्ट पे पोस्ट, पोस्ट पे पोस्ट !!! [FONT=&quot]
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लेकिन कनक्ल्युज़न नहीं निकला माईलौर्ड[FONT=&quot]... कनक्ल्युज़न नहीं निकला[/FONT]...
... मिली हैं तो बस ये पोस्ट.

[FONT=&quot]मीडिया के दलालों ने हमारी मासूम पोस्टों को इन्साफ के [/FONT]खिलाफ एक हथियार कि तरह इस्तेमाल किया है माईलौर्ड...
अपने चैनलों कि टी. आर. पी. बढाने के लिए अपने रंगमंच पे ये लोग जाट कल्चर का धंदा हैं... धंदा.
जहां झूठ बोला जाता है, बकवास कि जाती है और पब्लिक को गुमराह किया जाता है...
... और रह जाती हैं तो बस ये पोस्ट... सिर्फ पोस्ट.

जाटलेंडर अपना कीमती समय निकाल कर यहाँ आते हैं, और लिख जाते हैं
... तो सिर्फ ये पोस्ट.
... बस पोस्ट माईलौर्ड
… रह जाती है तो सिर्फ और सिर्फ ये पोस्ट.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

ना सन्नी पाजी ना कोई बात नहीं हमें पता है पिछले पांच साल में अपने सिर्फ हमें फ्लॉप फिल्मे ही दी हैं पर हम भी बेशरम हैं किसी ए फिल्म काढ ल्यो हामने जरूर देखनी है सोचा हाँ कदे तो अकल आवेगी ! बाकी आपने देख्या नहीं आजकल पोस्ट के अलावा जाटलैंड पे गेम्स की धूम मची है एक मेम्बर पन्दरा बार भजा लिया पर कसुता कीड़ा हो रह्य है खेला का तीसरे दन नए कुड़ते पहर के फेर आ ले है इब तो सुना है जनानिया के कुड़ते पहर के आया है !पन्नू ने धूमा ठा राख्या है काम धंधा छोड़ के आर्केड चैम्पियन हो रहया है ! चौपाड़ में भी धूम मच रही है! पर आपने पोस्ट तें फुर्सत हो तब ना

 

[brahmtewatia]

These kind of boycotts are fluid in nature and not long-lasting. In our society, it is not very difficult to bribe the people. Even one bottle of whisky is enough to buy the loyalty of a Panchayat Member or a group member to ease the restrictions on a censured family. In some cases, the Panchayats/social congregations would themselves exonerate the convicted family at the time of Panchayat election if the family has substantial votes.

VP Sahib

Did you really mean to write this?

Do you have evidence for this?

Ravi Chaudhary

ravi ji,

my knowledge on panchayats may not be 1% of yours. neither i've attended or seen the proceedings of any panchayat. but this is for sure that our panchayats are no more a consecrated or a pious institution, as might be the perception of many on this portal.

i cannot be very precise about the rot that (now) exists in our panchayat system esp if you talk of sarpanch's being bought by a bottle of liquor. but i can definitely quote you an example who happens to be my distant rishtedar nd how he managed to got elected. he made the liquor flow in abundance amongst chamar's nd chudha's of the village and got elected as a member, not once, but couple of times. not only this, he happens to be the close aide of village sarpanch. this count of incidence is well known to me nd i can say that with conviction.

its no wonder that the same may hold true for sarpanch(s) as well.

 

[brahmtewatia]

the member was/is a JAT.

Would you please mind telling that those 'some' members were Jat or from other castes?

 

[virj]

ravi ji,

my knowledge on panchayats may not be 1% of yours. neither i've attended or seen the proceedings of any panchayat. but this is for sure that our panchayats are no more a consecrated or a pious institution, as might be the perception of many on this portal.

Which Panchayat u talking about ?? The democratic & elected one or Khap one?

 

[brahmtewatia]

isn't it very clear nd evident in my post ?

Which Panchayat u talking about ?? The democratic & elected one or Khap one?

 

[virj]

isn't it very clear nd evident in my post ?

It is indeed. I was little confused as some reference in the thread was toward khap panchayat. But the thing which u mentioned happen even in a few MLA & MP elections as well.

 

[chanderbhan]

marriage within gotra

our values and customs should not be broken by mare untimely and ill matured persons. These customs have some value and meaning behind in our society, otherwise till now people would have not known whose father is who. inter cast marriage is still acceptable but within gotra/village it should not be.

 

[atamjeet78]

Marriage within gotra
As mentioned earlier there is only one thing permanent and that is "Change"
How hard we may try but we wont be able to beat it. Over the years we have changed our profession have changed, eating habbits have changed our clothes have changed. So there will be change for sure.
I am open to change but it should be gradual. Change should not happen overnight b'cos overnight changes are distructive. We can compare overnight changes with earthquake thats a change in a moment and we know what happens after that.... "CHAOS".
As community stands today we are not ready for marriage within same gotra nor with in mothers gotra. I personnaly dont favour dadi and nani gotra too.
But now a days nanni kanni karne lagge hain. May be dadi's gotra will be sidelined too .
But it should be slow n steady

 

[sanjaymalik]

Got elected in election through influence of liquor flow is rampant and everyone know about this fact no specifice evidence required.
But a Sarpanch/panch or head of any panchayat bought for a single bottle of liquor is first time came to know.Thanks for such a great information, it's just like a SANSANIKHEJ Khabar INDIATV without any base.

on the topic of thread those who break our jat customs, traditions, culture must be ostrasized from our society or village or community instead murder through proper instructions instead of harrass punishment like murder.

 

[rsdalal]

Brahm,
You are talking about elected panchayats and VP was refering Khap panchayats. Why to mix up things ?

ravi ji,

my knowledge on panchayats may not be 1% of yours. neither i've attended or seen the proceedings of any panchayat. but this is for sure that our panchayats are no more a consecrated or a pious institution, as might be the perception of many on this portal.

i cannot be very precise about the rot that (now) exists in our panchayat system esp if you talk of sarpanch's being bought by a bottle of liquor. but i can definitely quote you an example who happens to be my distant rishtedar nd how he managed to got elected. he made the liquor flow in abundance amongst chamar's nd chudha's of the village and got elected as a member, not once, but couple of times. not only this, he happens to be the close aide of village sarpanch. this count of incidence is well known to me nd i can say that with conviction.

its no wonder that the same may hold true for sarpanch(s) as well.

 

[ravichaudhary]

Thread locked for 3 days

Ravi Chaudhary

 

[brahmtewatia]

Brahm,
You are talking about elected panchayats and VP was refering Khap panchayats. Why to mix up things ?

ranvir, go through the thread once again. i am not mixing the issue. also, i nowhere see VP talking of khap panchayats in his below quoted posts, unless i am terribly mistaken.

We are simply wasting our energy and time on an issue which is virtually non-existent. Coming generations will define their future according to their conveniences in the prevailing circumstances. If they will find the prevailing customs relevant, they will automatically adopt, if not they will reject at any cost and will find the loopholes. It is practically very difficult to constantly monitor and meticulously enforce a social boycott. These kind of boycotts are fluid in nature and not long-lasting. In our society, it is not very difficult to bribe the people. Even one bottle of whisky is enough to buy the loyalty of a Panchayat Member or a group member to ease the restrictions on a censured family. In some cases, the Panchayats/social congregations would themselves exonerate the convicted family at the time of Panchayat election if the family has substantial votes.

Please read "Some of the Panchayat Members" and which is true.

 

[ravichaudhary]

Dear Brahm, Vipin , others


Please do not get distracted by Shri V P Singh' s post. It is not relevant to the topic.

For closure:

These kind of broad brush comments are not made , I suggest ,after refection, but on the spur of the moment.

Of course in elections of all kinds wining and dining takes place. Parties are thrown,gifts are given people are made to feel good, and their support and vote is sought.

That is a far cry from being able to buy a Panchayat member for a Rs 50 bottle of liquor.

I have suggested elsewhere, that in future anyone making such allegations on this forum, should support it with evidence or refrain from making such accusations.

Could we move on, and discuss the topic(s) at hand,in a rational manner

Ravi Chaudhary

 

[vijay]

Rightly said Ravi Ji.

I think it was a nice gap to recollect out thoughts and to forget about the instant impulses on some minor comments/arguments.

I think that same gotra marriage incidents are rare and we should not take them as a major threat to our societal structure. Its just about few people violeting the customs and traditons for their personal reasons instead of any societal revolution. This may be considered as a social crime and let their families decide their social punishment rather than taking law in their own hands.

 

[rsdalal]

It is very valid to bycott and expell people from society, if somebody does not follow the set forth rules.
Society is just like a extended family and people need to respect the rules.

 

[brahmtewatia]

for some very valid reasons, i put this thread in "social responsibility" instead of "current affairs", cos the matter, though is highlighted in the present context but the subject, imo, definitely holds its ground in "social responsibility".

was wondering for quite some time nd i am confused over my own poll (haven't voted yet)...

"ostracizing : हुक्का पानी बंद"... has this been our tradition or practice ?

what's the difference between the two ?... would appreciate your sensible comments.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

for some very valid reasons, i put this thread in "social responsibility" instead of "current affairs", cos the matter, though is highlighted in the present context but the subject, imo, definitely holds its ground in "social responsibility".

was wondering for quite some time nd i am confused over my own poll (haven't voted yet)...

"ostracizing : हुक्का पानी बंद"... has this been our tradition or practice ?

what's the difference between the two ?Consult dictonary... would appreciate your sensible comments.

हुक्का पानी बंद ना तो प्रेक्टिस है ना कस्टम ये एक सजा है और सजा इन दोनों में से कुछ भी नहीं हो सकती ये उन ओछी हरकत करने वालो को सबक सिखाने के लिए है जो समाज के कानून नहीं मानते उन्हें समाज में उठने बैठने का हक़ नहीं है !

 

[arvindc]

for some very valid reasons, i put this thread in "social responsibility" instead of "current affairs", cos the matter, though is highlighted in the present context but the subject, imo, definitely holds its ground in "social responsibility".

was wondering for quite some time nd i am confused over my own poll (haven't voted yet)...

"ostracizing : हुक्का पानी बंद"... has this been our tradition or practice ?

what's the difference between the two ?... would appreciate your sensible comments.

Both are same. ostracizing : has a broder meaning. हुक्का पानी बंद - is more specific, in context of jatland.