Two Dalits burnt alive after clash over dog

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-after-clash-over-dog/articleshow/5846407.cms

HISAR: An argument between a Dalit and a Jat over the former’s dog led to near-unbridled violence in a village in Hisar district which was tense throughout Thursday after an 18-year-old physically challenged Dalit girl and her father were burnt alive on Wednesday.

The Dalits refused to cremate the bodies, demanding a CBI probe and compensation, apart from sacking of the Jat tehsildar of Mirchpur village where the violence began. Angry demonstrators also protested in front of the Civil Hospital where post-mortem was conducted on the girl, Suman, and her father, Tara Chand.

A police probe revealed that Rajender, a Jat, and Yogesh from Valmiki (Dalit) community, got into an argument early this week, after the latter objected to Rajender hurling stones at his dog. When the matter reached the panchayat, two representatives of the Valmiki community — Veer Bhan and Karnpal — were summoned but ended up being beaten by the Jats.

Jats are alleged to have torched 25 Dalits houses in the village. ‘‘My father and sister were at home when armed men came raiding around noon and set our house on fire,’’ a shocked Tara Chand’s son Amar said. An eyewitness to the attack, he hid and saw the gangs doing the rounds.

The police, who have been charged with not taking cognizance of Dalit complaints of threats from Jats over the last three days, registered a case on Thursday and sent additional forces to Mirchpur. ‘‘We have taken 25 suspects into custody and are interrogating them,’’ said Anant Kumar Dhull, IG, Hisar range. Among others camping in the village along with the IG are SP Subhash Yadav and DC O P Sheoran. Haryana DGP Ranjiv Dalal said the trial would be conducted in a fast-track court.

Parmod Bagri, president of Hisar Valmiki Samaj, said, ‘‘This (arson) was another Gohana (a village that saw Jat-Dalit feud in 2005) and Jhajjar in which five Dalits were lynched in 2002.’’
 
Another unhuman act! This type of activities will further spoil our image all over the world.

Though i don't believe the media that 25 houses were set to fire because in Gohana kaand they showed 50 houses as being burnt, whereas in actual only two houses caught fire. But still how lame the thinking and Activities can go for setting two people on fire, that too alive? or wo bhi sirf kutte ke kaatne par!! UNBELIEVABLE (at least for me).

Kam to ye valmiki bhi nahi hote. ye bhi sar fodne ko taiyar rahte hai. Ghaatt to in ne bhi nahi ghaali hogi. Naam bhi laave se ak Jaat inke ghar loot le ge. They too are frauds, but that does not take away their "right to live". And how can you set another person on fire? Even after so much of education, people don't value a life.Disgusting!

sarakar ne 1-1 lakh ki ghosna ki hai inko dene ke liye. 1-1 laakh diye te ke unki jindagi ulti aa jagi??

Aur ye ladayi ek hafte se chal rahi thi.. what had PANCHAYAT done to resolve this?? There is no information on the steps taken by Panchayat to resolve this issue. Can someone throw some light here?


PS : I'M NOT supporting the dalits here. Don't misinterpret me. kade koe sa lath le ke mere pache bhaj le.
I'm just opposing another uncivilized act by our so called civilized society of Jats.
 
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Hissar Incident

Going by media reports, the provocation from Harijan community was not enough to be warranting such a ghastly act as arson leading to the death of one physically challenged girl and a male folk from the same family. Moreover, no one can be allowed to take law in hand. The incident is, therefore, reprehensible. It will definitely arouse castiest passions resulting in a political flare up. In wake of judicial activism in recent years as well as ever increasing media power - which has traditionally been anti-Jats for wrong or right reasons - this kind of behaviour which is nothing but foolishness will give them another recipe which is bound to warrant adverse publicity bringing a bad name to the entire community which is already in docks due to honour killings. Such kind of acts will lead to further alienation of the community from their fellow communities leading to further marginalisation politically. Having a fair idea of the topography and demographic/caste equation in Hissar and surrounding areas , I can emphatically say that Jats have an edge over other communities and no community, especially the Harijans have the audacity to dare Jats for a brawl. The Gohana incident, Tikait’s remarks about Maya leading to his arrest and recent honour killing had already done an irreparable loss to the community. We have to be cautious in our dare devilry and must learn to live in harmony with other communities if we want peace and progress.
 
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1. In my opinion, mistake is from both sides. Both parties are equally responsible for this incident. Aur kisi ki bhi jyaada galti ho, kisi ko jinda jalaane ka haq kisi ko nahi.

2. Police and administration is not as sensitive as it should be. Mostly they reach the spot once crime is committed. In one of newspapers, I read that despite repeated called from Dalits for help, policemen from helpline '100' replied something like this "Aa jaawangey, ke bumb paat ra s mirchpur mein?"

3. Sometimes these backward classes try to misuse the SCST Act against non SC-STs. Whereever in majority ( even a single mohalla), they bullish other castes passing by that area. Excellent example is backward mohallas in towns like Rohtak. Kisi ki bahu beti safe likad ke dikha dyo andhere mein.. Aur bhi bahut se examples hain aise.

4. As Deepak rightly said, where were the Panchayatis when this crime was being committed?
 
Going by media reports, the provocation from Harijan community was not enough to be warranting such a ghastly act as arson leading to the death of one physically challenged girl and a male folk from the same family. Moreover, no one can be allowed to take law in hand. The incident is, therefore, reprehensible. It will definitely arouse castiest passions resulting in a political flare up. In wake of judicial activism in recent years as well as ever increasing media power - which has traditionally been anti-Jats for wrong or right reasons - this kind of behaviour which is nothing but foolishness will give them another recipe which is bound to warrant adverse publicity bringing a bad name to the entire community which is already in docks due to honour killings. Such kind of acts will lead to further alienation of the community from their fellow communities leading to further marginalisation politically. Having a fair idea of the topography and demographic/caste equation in Hissar and surrounding areas , I can emphatically say that Jats have an edge over other communities and no community, especially the Harijans have the audacity to dare Jats for a brawl. The Gohana incident, Tikait’s remarks about Maya leading to his arrest and recent honour killing had already done an irreparable loss to the community. We have to be cautious in our dare devilry and must learn to live in harmony with other communities if we want peace and progress.

When a hindu and muslim riot is errupted the same ''Shyt Times of India'' quote it as Minority/Majority and now clearly reporting Jat and Dalit. Surely this 'Shyt Times Group' of eunuched and castrated reporters have a hidden agenda and consiously looking for reports to malign the community.
 
2. Police and administration is not as sensitive as it should be. Mostly they reach the spot once crime is committed. In one of newspapers, I read that despite repeated called from Dalits for help, policemen from helpline '100' replied something like this "Aa jaawangey, ke bumb paat ra s mirchpur mein?"
http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/local/haryana/4_6_6358073.html
This is what police did after the crime. They added more fuel to fire.

3. Sometimes these backward classes try to misuse the SCST Act against non SC-STs. Whereever in majority ( even a single mohalla), they bullish other castes passing by that area. Excellent example is backward mohallas in towns like Rohtak. Kisi ki bahu beti safe likad ke dikha dyo andhere mein.. Aur bhi bahut se examples hain aise.

bangar ke pul ke dhore jo indira colony se, us se steek koi example nahi ho sakta is baat ka bhai. Er dusri jagah sukhpura chauk aali colony se saansiya ki.
Rohtak me jitne galat kaam hove se, mostly aade ke e log kare se. Er police pakdan jave bhi se kade to unpe draanti le ke toot pade se.

Lets not digress from the topic here. The question still remains the same, who has the right to burn people alive? Apang ladki ko bhi nahi baksha inhone. Aur ye news sabhi akhbaro me hai, not in TOI alone. Even on news channels.
 
Lets not digress from the topic here. The question still remains the same, who has the right to burn people alive? Apang ladki ko bhi nahi baksha inhone. Aur ye news sabhi akhbaro me hai, not in TOI alone. Even on news channels.

Kisi ko haq nahi hai bhai kisi ko jinda jalaaney ka...... doshi ko saja milni chahiye..... Lekin mere mann mein ek baat aur aati hai, chahe koyi kitney gussey mein hi kyu na ho, Apang kunwaari ladki ko jinda jalaane ka dardnaak kaam jaan boojhkar nahi karega....Lekin Aajkaal ke gaabru Josh mein hosh kho dein sein.... Dhyaan e nahi diya hoga aak kitna bada galat kaam kar rahe so.....er koye jinda aadmi bhi fass ra hoga ghar mein......
 
Law and order situation in this country is a joke.

What is T@tti of India paper doing printing Jat and Dalit in the very first line - infact first and third word? Why not print the details like location, time, names - this caste information should be printed only if they have it by good information that it was crime based only on caste - and that was central to the news report. TOI has the lowest standards in reporting worldwide ... worst paper in the world ... no question about it.
 
Well said SID , TOI is psuedosecular also......

Media has become SC itself, before any case they give the verdict publicly.There must be some law to control the Media....Specially in situations of Mob fights , danga's etc.....

BR
Hemant Hooda
 
Setting houses on fire was intentional and burning poor handicapped gal wasn't intentional. I am sure those people in mob were not aware of the fact that somebody is inside the house when they were setting it on fire. Whatever happend is really unfortunate.

SC/STs will now shout from the top of the roof to make sure they get maximum compensation. These idiots don't understand that they can't survive in village with Jat support. All land holding is still with jat and other caste people heavily rely on agriculture land to earn livehoods for themeselves. I hope this incident won't unfold like Gohana one.

Again its an adminstrative failue and Police forces didn't responded the way they should respond. Majority of police in India is manning the roads when some VIP is travelling.
 
Ofcourse, I donot know story of both sides, but our people have done wrong, they must be punished as per law. Otherday we were discussing about jats, I would like to remind to some my brothers that this is the example of an educated behavior by our brothers of miragepur & writers of few posts above, I could never immagine such sameful posts by jatlanders. Request withraw immediately please, Upender & devinderplease.
 
Ofcourse, I donot know story of both sides, but our people have done wrong, they must be punished as per law. Otherday we were discussing about jats, I would like to remind to some my brothers that this is the example of an educated behavior by our brothers of miragepur & writers of few posts above, I could never immagine such sameful posts by jatlanders. Request withraw immediately please, Upender & devinderplease.

No probs dear frm my side ... but sometimes u shud react in such a way that the other pig can understand it comfortably.
Have u noticed his writing style and hatred towards others and imparting the same to others( at least trying)
 
No probs dear frm my side ... but sometimes u shud react in such a way that the other pig can understand it comfortably.
Have u noticed his writing style and hatred towards others and imparting the same to others( at least trying)

Uppu is a good guy yar.
 
No probs dear frm my side ... but sometimes u shud react in such a way that the other pig can understand it comfortably.
Have u noticed his writing style and hatred towards others and imparting the same to others( at least trying)

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