UP election?

[raj2rif]

Who has told them about National Issues?

I really don't know what they are ? but when it comes to election I'm more than sure at present most of the people hardly think to whom they are going to vote..there are very few who think a lot before going to cast their vote keeping the national interests in mind...people follow the heard mentality..they have only few points to think upon like cast, religion and emotional issues...and when these issues come to rule people hardly think from mind..feeling of revenge is omni present in every election which is against the true spirit of democracy....politicians like mayawati know very well that how to play with the sentiments of the voters and because of this strategy they succeed every time... people cast their vote blindly inspite of knowing that he/she is the same person who had betrayed them..they are making the mockery of democracy...

Dear Mukesh,

I don't think people vote without thinking? The problem is what they are thinking while voting? Whether or not they know the repercussions of voting to the wrong person/party. Whether or not they know the national and state issues and why they are important over local and caste issues? Here on this vary forum, some of us don’t see beyond the caste to say the least, then why blame the general public.

Mr. Kadian has raised a very valid question, what to do and how to do? I think that we need to take baby steps and progress one by one. The first and foremost thing is to get the younger generation together under one umbrella. (easier said than done) I feel that this can be done to a larger extent if we unite under a small group and project a group leadership. Some one may call it communist way of functioning, but that is OK.

The first baby step is to educate our voters about the national issues and their importance over local issues and caste base voting. Selection of candidates by political parties is another thing that needs to be sorted out. But as Dr. RK has said “who is not a corrupt politician in UP”, we need to bring out some thing fresh and new. Here my recommendation is to bring out the youth. Organization like “Jan Jagriti” may be the answer. Let it be the core group of this organization that formulates the policies for it to become viable political alternatives in the years to come. I know it would alienate some of our members for some of us have our near and dear one in one political party or other. An organization like this once succeeds would definitely put those people out of business. So to expect a smooth sailing would be just a wishful thinking. But as Mr. Samar has said, we need to act rather than discuss. I have earlier supported this move on another thread. Let me ask the members as to how many of them are in favor of “Jan Jagriti” being converted into a political alternative in U.P. Haryana and Rajasthan to start with?

Some one can have a pool here. Let us ask the members who support it? Why they want to support it and who oppose it, their reasons for the same. Let us have an honest discussion.

 

[rameshlakra]

Dear Mukesh,

I don't think people vote without thinking? The problem is what they are thinking while voting? Whether or not they know the repercussions of voting to the wrong person/party. Whether or not they know the national and state issues and why they are important over local and caste issues? Here on this vary forum, some of us don’t see beyond the caste to say the least, then why blame the general public.

Mr. Kadian has raised a very valid question, what to do and how to do? I think that we need to take baby steps and progress one by one. The first and foremost thing is to get the younger generation together under one umbrella. (easier said than done) I feel that this can be done to a larger extent if we unite under a small group and project a group leadership. Some one may call it communist way of functioning, but that is OK.

The first baby step is to educate our voters about the national issues and their importance over local issues and caste base voting. Selection of candidates by political parties is another thing that needs to be sorted out. But as Dr. RK has said “who is not a corrupt politician in UP”, we need to bring out some thing fresh and new. Here my recommendation is to bring out the youth. Organization like “Jan Jagriti” may be the answer. Let it be the core group of this organization that formulates the policies for it to become viable political alternatives in the years to come. I know it would alienate some of our members for some of us have our near and dear one in one political party or other. An organization like this once succeeds would definitely put those people out of business. So to expect a smooth sailing would be just a wishful thinking. But as Mr. Samar has said, we need to act rather than discuss. I have earlier supported this move on another thread. Let me ask the members as to how many of them are in favor of “Jan Jagriti” being converted into a political alternative in U.P. Haryana and Rajasthan to start with?

Some one can have a pool here. Let us ask the members who support it? Why they want to support it and who oppose it, their reasons for the same. Let us have an honest discussion.

Dear Tewatia ji,

JJ ( www.janjagriti.com) has to succeed as an NGO first before taking any newer task. As of now only few people are involved, and prominent among them is Navin Gulia. His hands are to be stregthened both in terms of number of volunteers and finances (for hiring proffesional in order to carry out the process decisively). The pilot project at barhana should reach a level of self-sustained process before it can be emulated elsewhere. Lets make a campaign to increase its member base and also call for a meeting for the same.

Regards,

Well my analysis of UP election (on hindsight ) is as under :-

1) Congress would have done better had they projected Rahul as chief minister, well before the elections
2) BJP would have done better had they fielded younger profile both for candidates as well as for CM's post. They lacked a clear cut strategy and hoped for a hung assembly and therefore avoided criticising BSP, SP and thus lacking a fizz in their campaign.
3) Mayawati has done well because of clear cut strategy of going after SP (biggest comment being putting Mulayam and Amar sing to jail if voted to power). Good selection of candidates (In terms of winnablitiy) and obviously Brahmin factor has worked.
I think she would do better as pointed by RK Uncle with PM's carrot hanging infront. Mukesh bhai, what RK Uncle is pointing at is ongroung reality of a choice between "the devil and the deep blue sea". what u say is right in an ideal situation, but unfortunately life is not always ideal and perfect and one has to accept the reality and still "aspire" for a perfect world.

regards

 

[mukeshkumar007]

Let me ask the members as to how many of them are in favor of “Jan Jagriti” being converted into a political alternative in U.P. Haryana and Rajasthan to start with?

Some one can have a pool here. Let us ask the members who support it? Why they want to support it and who oppose it, their reasons for the same. Let us have an honest discussion.

if we have to ensure mass involvement in this organisation than we must have to convert it into a political-social structure.. because only than we can convinced the public that yes..this organisation could be an answer to their problems..at the initial stage we will have to raise national issues just to position our image nationally like what kejriwala has done by campaigning against the goverment's move not to show the file notings under RTI Act..now he and his organisation has an national image... I mean if we also get this kind of success it will help us to make the public agree with our vision...and I tell u.this can be done we just need atlest 100 dedicated member...but before converting it into a political organisation we should have an clear picture of every pros and cons of this move…

 

[dahiyars]

After UP Elections- An Analysis

On UP Election Results
THERE has been a clear verdict in the UP assembly elections. This is the first time since 1991, when a single party, the Bahujan Samaj Party, has won an absolute majority. This is welcome to the extent that there is no need for a government being formed with opportunist alliances and defections. The BSP leader Mayawati had become the chief minister on three occasions earlier after coming to an understanding with the BJP. The first time was in 1995 when the SP-BSP coalition government fell apart. The second time was in 1997 when Mayawati headed a BSP-BJP government with an understanding that the chief ministership will rotate after six months. The third time was after the 2002 assembly elections when after three months, the BSP and the BJP entered into an understanding. This opportunist combine also collapsed in 2003.
These alliances between the BSP, a party which represents the dalits, and the BJP were retrogressive in that the communal Hindutva party sought to maintain itself in power even though it had begun to lose ground after the heights reached in the 1991-92 days of communal polarisation.
Apart from the decisive victory of the BSP, the most notable feature of the UP election results is the major setback for the BJP. The BJP which had won 88 seats and polled 20.12 per cent in 2002 has come down to 50 seats and 16.9 per cent of the vote. The BJP, after the Punjab and Uttarakhand elections began nurturing hopes that it would achieve a similar success in Uttar Pradesh. This would have set the stage for its comeback at the national level. As decided by the Lucknow session of the party, in November 2006, the BJP went all out with its communal propaganda relying on the RSS. The hate campaign against the Muslims was blatantly displayed in the CD prepared for the election campaign. RSS personnel were given the role of managing the election campaign in key positions. In the entire campaign the BJP’s propaganda was no different from that of communal fanatics like Adithyanath of Gorakhpur.
The debacle suffered by the BJP has resulted in its getting the lowest number of seats since 1989. The people have rejected its communal platform. The BJP ignored the realities on the ground. In the last three years in a series of by elections held in the state, the BJP lost its deposits in a majority of the seats it contested. In the corporation elections held in November last year it won eight out of the 11 city corporations which gave it a boost. But it did not take into account the fact that the BSP did not fight the polls and the SP is traditionally weak in the big cities. The BJP did not do well at all in the nagar palika and nagar panchayat elections exposing its weakness in the rural areas.
Having cynically played the game of caste politics and “social engineering”, the BJP learnt to its mortification that the BSP has proved superior in this sport.
The Samajwadi Party had to fight against big odds. The three year record of the Mulayam Singh government evoked widespread discontent mainly due to the lawlessness and patronage of criminal activities by elements within the Samajwadi Party. This spoilt the image of the government and nullified the effects of some of the positive measures taken by the state government earlier. The SP has been able to retain its electoral base even though it lost in terms of seats and got only 97 seats. In percentage terms, the Samajwadi Party got 25.45 per cent of the vote as compared to 25.13 in 2002. There is an important lesson for the Samajwadi Party leadership and in particular Mulayam Singh Yadav. Without a sound socio-economic programme addressing the needs of the poor peasants and the rural poor, artisans, weavers and the working class, the SP cannot rally wider support by merely relying on caste equations. It was known prior to the elections that the main contest would be between the BSP and the SP. This has proved correct. The SP is the main opposition party today in Uttar Pradesh.
The Congress party which has been marginalised in the state in the last two decades had hoped that it would be able to revive its electoral base and increase its seats and percentage of votes. The campaign conducted by Rahul Gandhi was seen to be the instrument for this revival. The elections have not produced any miracles. The Congress’s decline remains a reality and the disease cannot be cured by whirlwind election campaigns by the Gandhi family.
The performance of the BJP and the Congress in the biggest state of the country has once again emphatically debunked talk about the emergence of a two-party system in the country. On the eve of the UP election results, president Kalam had commended the two-party system as good for democracy. The UP results are an assertion that the multi-party system is a reality and parliamentary democracy in India cannot be constrained into a two-party system.
The BSP victory therefore has a two-fold aspect. The first is the continuing appeal of dalit empowerment which the BSP symbolises. The second is the more systematic spread of caste as a political mobilisation tool, overriding other factors. It is this latter feature which threatens to overwhelm the positive features of the former. How the Mayawati government will perform and fulfill the aspirations of the dalits and oppressed sections remains to be seen.
R.S.Dahiya