Vande Mataram V/S Jan Gan Man

Good info...Thanks to all for this discussion...Can anyone tell something about "inqlaab jindabaad" .........was bhagat singh first who used this slogan?
 
I have said :There is no doubt that the song was actually sung for the occasaion to show the loyality to the Britishers ??? I didnt say that Tagore wrote it for them(Even though this is controversial). I said the occasion was not great.

I dont care what INC said. They on that day passed resolution to be loyal to the king. Who cares what they said?

I said no doubt because Tagore himself said this.

Moreover no one refuted the claim and statesman (the anglo paper) was widely read by congress people and other elite-No one refuted the claim-That create a doubt. And this is a funny claim that british media's hindi wasnt good. Lot of britishers knew Hindustani or at least you would expect a newspaper to have reporters who understand or least of the least some indian person/newspaper to at least correct them. Anyway I even didnt refer to this part. I said the occasion for which we wrote it and sung it wasnt great.

Secondly Nethaji had earlier chosen vande matram and there was one more song veer tu bade ja something like that but due to sikh and muslim soldiers he adopted this song written by Mr singh. In this particular song the reference to adhinayak was removed ? One can argue that why netaji's song didnt have adhinayak. Anyway lets leave that part.

Actually this thing struck to me when a few years before, during a conference, a Tamil guy told me about this. He said we Tamil dont sing it due to this adhinayak thing and because it was sung to welcome the King.

When there is so much controversies why not choose another song or remove this adhinayak and other controversial reference.

I have read all the material which you are pasting here. However I have my own understanding on this and you have your own. No arguments on that.
 
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I have said :There is no doubt that the song was actually sung for the occasaion to show the loyality to the Britishers ??? I didnt say that Tagore sung it for them(Even though this is controversial). I said the occasion was not great.

I dont care what INC said. They on that day passed resolution to be loyal to the king. Who cares what they said?

I said no doubt because Tagore himself said this.

Moreover no one refuted the claim and statesman (the anglo paper) was widely read by congress people and other elite-No one refuted the claim-That create a doubt. And this is a funny claim that british media's hindi wasnt good. Lot of britishers knew Hindustani or at least you would expect a newspaper to have reporters who understand. Anyone I even didnt refer to this part. I said the occasion for which we wrote it and sung it wasnt great.

Secondly Nethaji had chosed vande matram but due to sikh and muslim soldiers he adopted this song written by Mr singh. In this particular song the reference to adhinayak was removed ?

I have read all the material which you are pasting here. However I have my own understanding on this and you have your own. No arguments on that.
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Yes, that is fine. There is no doubt that ONE song was sung to praise King George V. I don't think the meeting itself was purely to show loyalty to the king. But Congress wasn't asking for independence back then- so there is nothing extraordinary in singing a song in honour of the British king. Personally, I don't think it is a big deal. At that time, most leaders were trying to get was self-governance within British rule. Even Bal Gangadhar Tilak asked for "swaraj" and not "swatantrata". As I said earlier, it'd be harsh to judge people of those times by our current standards. If singing a song makes one unpatriotic, then wonder what all our Jat ancestors who actually fought for the Britishers in both world wars, would be.
 
Yes and I wasnt agruing that it was a mistake then. This may have made a sense that time. I wasnt questioning Tagore or someone else. No one have problem as to what and for whom Tagore sing. It was mere reference to this song and more so because its our national anthem.

All I was saying is that in today's world, in today's reference this should be changed due to the above mentioned reasons in various posts. You may not agree on that but at least there should be unity on the national anthem. No one should have problem singing it.

At least I think so
 
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VipinJyani said:
I have said :

Actually this thing struck to me when a few years before, during a conference, a Tamil guy told me about this. He said we Tamil dont sing it due to this adhinayak thing and because it was sung to welcome the King.

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It is foolish to be swayed by the "Tamil Guys" because they are the same guys who have always been against use of our national language "Hindi" and still adamant to adopt it as a lingua franca of India.
 
VP Not everyone is as smart as you however I know the anti feelings which tamil has. But that instance made me to look into this thing in detail.

Sometime its good to look positive in negatives as well.
 
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VipinJyani said:
VP Not everyone is as smart as you however I know the anti feelings which tamil has. But that instance made me to look into this thing in detail.

Sometime its good to look positive in negatives as well.
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hahahaha...Vipin Bhai, I take your comment as a compliment- your intention notwithstanding. I, however, consider all of you here on JL much smarter than me and I am just struggling to be as smart as you are by taking advantage of the smart company of our 'good Samaritans'.
 
agar ye samar ki jagah samira hoti to quoted karke abhi kab ka uttar partutar ho chuka hota.
VipinJyani said:
I know what are you trying to say but why cant you take things directly rather than pointing finger towards someone else indirectly through my post.
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VipinJyani said:
I know what are you trying to say but why cant you take things directly rather than pointing finger towards someone else indirectly through my post.
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You failed to see the finger. It was directed towards you. In my opinion you are a very intelligent person, seriously.
 
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कुर्बान जाऊं उनकी सादगी पर, क़त्ल करते हैं और हाथ में खंजर भी नहीं

PS: Above is not directed to you, Vipin. It is for someone else.
 
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vo singh ji please you apna like ulta le lo....your likes are not welcome or appreciated .......agar ye samar ki jagah samira hoti to quoted karke abhi kab ka uttar partutar ho chuka hota.
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I know what are you trying to say but why cant you take things directly



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vo singh ji please you apna like ulta le lo....your likes are not welcome or appreciated .......agar ye samar ki jagah samira hoti to quoted karke abhi kab ka uttar partutar ho chuka hota.
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I know what are you trying to say but why cant you take things directly



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मुझे मालूम है आप गुस्से में हैं, मगर क्या करू महिलाओं की इज्ज़त करना मेरी फितरत बन चुकी है....and I mean it, seriously. Whatever, you think about me is your natural right.

Moreover, you have also made an indirect reference to one of my posts (through Vipin). It appears, that it is difficult to avoid any reference and counter reference on any social forum. I would, however, try not to make any reference to your posts or trigger any like/dislike button, if you can reciprocate the gesture.
 
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sir aaapki fitrate mausam ki trah badalti rahti hai.aapki hi lines remind kara rahi hu me jo ki aapne issi forum p likhi thi mane nahi........{.I hereby reciprocate your gesture and withdraw all my likes to your posts with retrospective effect and replace them with matching super dislikes. I reiterate that I dislike your attitude and comments from the core of my heart}.
vpsingh said:
मुझे मालूम है आप गुस्से में हैं, मगर क्या करू महिलाओं की इज्ज़त करना मेरी फितरत बन चुकी है....and I mean it, seriously. Whatever, you think about me is your natural right.

Moreover, you have also made an indirect reference to one of my posts (through Vipin). It appears, that it is difficult to avoid any reference and counter reference on any social forum. I would, however, try not to make any reference to your posts or trigger any like/dislike button, if you can reciprocate the gesture.
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ritu said:
sir aaapki fitrate mausam ki trah badalti rahti hai.aapki hi lines remind kara rahi hu me jo ki aapne issi forum p likhi thi mane nahi........{.I hereby reciprocate your gesture and withdraw all my likes to your posts with retrospective effect and replace them with matching super dislikes. I reiterate that I dislike your attitude and comments from the core of my heart}.
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Ritu ji, it is my realization that it was my overreaction to your dislike button. Everybody has a right to trigger the dislike button. If nobody would use this button, it would get rusted. But trust me, I have no ill will against you. We should not nurture any grudge due to difference of opinion during any discussion of common interest. Cheer up now.
 
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