Vande Matram : What Do You Say ???

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i have few more pics of him which i don't think that can be posted here
well it was just to show that the guy shouting for nation is enjoying private parties with britishers
do u know who is this lady?????
what if i say real reason behind kasmir partiotion or Indian partition?????
She is wife of last lord of india.......... if u turn some pages of history you will find out why
She asked Nehru to take help of UN forces for cease fire when Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel was winning war against nawab of kashmir
dekhne ka nazariya chiaye...bura ya aacha kuch bhi nahi hai is dunia mein.....
that's only how we see things
 
A Lot Has been Written

i have few more pics of him which i don't think that can be posted here
well it was just to show that the guy shouting for nation is enjoying private parties with britishers
do u know who is this lady?????
what if i say real reason behind kasmir partiotion or Indian partition?????
She is wife of last lord of india.......... if u turn some pages of history you will find out why
She asked Nehru to take help of UN forces for cease fire when Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel was winning war against nawab of kashmir
dekhne ka nazariya chiaye...bura ya aacha kuch bhi nahi hai is dunia mein.....
that's only how we see things

Dear Sehrawat Ji,
A lot has been written about the relationship between, Mr. Nehru and Lady Mountbaton. We would like to share those pictures with you on this site unless they are obscene.
The point here is, are we discussing Nehru the politician or Nehru an ordinary citizen.
For every single thing that has gone wrong we blame, Nehru, while we keep praising others who were part and parcel of his cabinet and were expected to raise their voice in case he was going wrong. In a democratic set up if the Cabinet did not aprove any decision, then no matter who is the PM, the decision can't be impelmented. The PM does not enjoys the Veto Power. To me all those part of Nehru's cabinet are responsible for all the political decisions those turned out to be harmful for the nation. We just can't ignore the good side of Nehru's achievement, the industrial revolution.

To me, on two issues every single PM prior to Rajiv Gandhi failed. The first was the education policy (which we did not have till Rajiv introduce it) and the second one is the management of our Water resources which still is not being given the priority and importance it deserves.

Another issue that current crop of politicians is not willing to touch is the population control and strict family planning. Fortunately we have the both good and bad effects of the single child norm available to us and thus it makes sense to have some thing going on on this issue.
 
bro,,,, only punjab,sindh,ujrat,maratha provinces r mentioned bcoz they were under british rule..... the provinces ,which were under portuguess rule rnt mentioned...........it was sung to honour the visit of king n queen..........:(

Rupi I already said that I tend to agree with you but not everybody will agree with you & thus i requested that somebody show some proof. It was for proof that I spent a lot of time to pull out all 5 stanzas which were all in praise of (according to most of us) of God but why were the 1st stanza written & sung during George V's visit & rest 4 during a 1936 visit of King & queen of england shows the true intentions behind "jan Gan Man".

thanks for adding that certain provinces were under PORTUGESE rule & that's why they are not mention in it.Also, 2 main reasons for choosing "jan gan man" were that #1 it was easier for bands to play & #2 it did not mention the motherland to be praised as a GODESS ( which would annoy , it still does) muslims coz for muslims you can only parise allah as a god.

I think if not proof atleast there seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence regarding "jan gan man " not being an anthem being country's song at the time of it's inception.
 
Dear Sehrawat Ji,
A lot has been written about the relationship between, Mr. Nehru and Lady Mountbaton. We would like to share those pictures with you on this site unless they are obscene.

Shreemanji,
Some years back I came across a book in Secunderabad Club Library that had a specific instance of Nehru-Edwina relationship. I was flipping through and managed to read a few pages.
Russy Modi's father was a big businessman then. He had invited Nehru and Mountbattens for holidays some where in his mansion. One evening it was dinner time and everyone was waiting. But Nehru and Edwina were nowhere to be found. Then Russy was sent to look for them. He found them togwther in bed in a compromising position.

I thought I would be able to get hold of the book and read it full. Unfortunately, that was the last chance I got to see that library. If I am not mistaken, it was written by Sh Arun Shourie
 
Baat Itihas ke is hisse ke nahi ho rahi baat hai ki kya humara rashtriya gaan isliye hi bana tha ????jaisa ki rupinder na bataya
waise bhi farak kya parta hai ????
itihas badlne se fayda nahi hai
haan bhavisya mein kya kar sakte hain jo ki aage chalke ek aacha itihas bane????
mein yahi kahunga ki is topic par agar proof hain to dikhaye jayein
nahi hai to ise yahin chod diya jaye
kyon manyatain kharab ki jayein jo chal raha hai wo chalne do
waise bhi kitne log respect dete hain in cheezo ko????
sache man se bataiyein to sayad 10%
jo dete hain dene do
yahan kitne honge jinhe poora rashtriya gaan yaad hai??????????
 
Guys get your facts right

Check this out to find out the truth.

National Anthem...please gets your facts cleared 6/20/2006 12:24 AM
To my shock I received a mail today (20th june 2006) from a friend who tried to explain me the "true" meaning of the National Anthem of India. The explanation was such that it gave me an impression that Tagore wrote the Anthem in a drive to get the honour of a Nobel laureate.


The explanation was as follows:
"I have always wondered who is the "adhinayak" and "bharat bhagya vidhata", whose praise we are singing. I thought might be Motherland India! Our current National Anthem "Jana Gana Mana" is sung throughout the country.

Did you know the following about our national anthem, I didn't.

To begin with, India's national anthem, Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, was written by Rabindranath Tagore in honour of King George V and the Queen of England when they visited India in 1919.

To honour their visit Pandit Motilal Nehru had the five stanzas included, which are in praise of the King and Queen. (And most of us think it is in the praise of our great motherland!!!)

In the original Bengali verses only those provinces that were under British rule, i.e. Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, Maratha etc. were mentioned. None of the princely states were recognised which are integral parts of India now Kashmir, Rajasthan, Andhra, Mysore or Kerala. Neither the Indian Ocean nor the Arabian Sea was included, since they were directly under Portuguese rule at that time.

The Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka implies that King George V is the lord of the masses and Bharata Bhagya Vidhata is "the bestower of good fortune".

Following is a translation of the five stanzas that glorify the King

First stanza (Indian) People wake up remembering your good name and ask for your blessings and they sing your glories. (Tava shubha naame jaagetava shubha aashish maage, gaaye tava jaya gaatha)

Second stanza Around your throne people of all religions come and give their love and anxiously wait to hear your kind words.

Third stanza Praise to the King for being the charioteer, for leading the ancient travellers beyond misery.



Fourth stanza Drowned in the deep ignorance and suffering, poverty-stricken, unconscious country? Waiting for the wink of your eye and your mother's (the Queen's) true protection.

Fifth stanza In your compassionate plans, the sleeping Bharat (India) will wake up. We bow down to your feet O' Queen, and glory to Rajeshwara (the King).

This whole poem does not indicate any love for the Motherland but depicts a bleak picture. When you sing Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, whom are you glorifying? Certainly not the Motherland. Is it God? The poem does not indicate that.

It is time now to understand the original purpose and the implication of this, rather than blindly sing as has been done the past fifty years.

Nehru chose the present national anthem as opposed to Vande Mataram because he thought that it would be easier for the band to play!!! It was an absurd reason but Today for that matter bands have advanced and they can very well play any music. So they can as well play Vande Mataram, which is a far better composition in praise of our dear Motherland India.

Wake up, it's high time! Shouldn't Vande Mataram be our National Anthem."
soucre :http://www.humnri.com/HumZ/Articles/Article.aspx?number=13750

This explanation astounded me and I being an appreciator of the works of tagore could not digest such an explanation. I tried searching over the net for the explanation of the National Anthem and found one another variant of the same.

Here it goes (basically its translation into English)



Thou art the ruler of the minds of all people,
dispenser of India's destiny.
Thy name rouses the hearts of Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, the Maratha country,
in the Dravida country, Utkala (Orissa) and Banga ( Bengal);
It echoes in the hills of the Vindhyas and Himalayas,
it mingles in the rhapsodies of the pure waters Jamuna and the Ganges.
They chant only thy name,
they seek only thy blessings,
They sing only thy praise.
The saving of all people waits in thy hand,
thou dispenser of India's destiny.
Victory, victory, victory to thee.

After reading the first explanation when you read the second one your mind (biased) keeps on drifting to the first explanation and you might continue to think that it infact was written in the honour of The Queen and King Goerge V. I have written to Visva Bharati and am still awaiting a reply from them, but mean while a friend of mine clarified the controversies after looking up her resources.



It was found out that the .....................................................................................

......................."Controversy exists regarding the appropriateness of Jana Gana Mana as the national anthem of an independent India. The poem was composed in December 1911, precisely at the time of the Coronation Durbar of George V, and is a paean in praise of "the overlord of India's destiny". The composition was first sung during a convention of the then loyalist Indian National Congress in Calcutta on Dec. 27, 1911 [1]. It was sung on the second day of the convention, and the agenda of that day devoted itself to a loyal welcome of George V on his visit to India. The event was reported thus in the Indian press:

"The Bengali poet Babu Rabindranath Tagore sang a song composed by him specially to welcome the Emperor." (Statesman, Dec. 28, 1911)
"The proceedings began with the singing by Babu Rabindranath Tagore of a song specially composed by him in honour of the Emperor." (Englishman, Dec. 28, 1911)
"When the proceedings of the Indian National Congress began on Wednesday 27th December 1911, a Bengali song in welcome of the Emperor was sung. A resolution welcoming the Emperor and Empress was also adopted unanimously." (Indian, Dec. 29, 1911)

Unsurprisingly, the belief gained ground that the poem had been written in honour of the visiting monarch. Others aver that the newspaper reports cited above were misguided, the confusion arising since a different song, written in Hindi by Rambhuj Chaudhary, was sung [2] on the same occasion in praise of the monarch. However, the two poems were written in different languages; Tagore already enjoyed much fame in India, and newspaper reports are both consistent and categorical on the point of Tagore having himself sung his composition on the occasion.



Nevertheless, other explanations for the motivations that informed the creation of the poem have been proposed. On a visit to India, The poet Yeats received a visit from an Indian admirer who was also, in Yeats' words, "an Indian devotee" of Tagore. In a letter to a lady friend, Yeats quoted this unnamed devotee as giving him a 'strictly off the records' version of events dealing with the writing of Jana Gana Mana. That version, as presented in 1968 by the Indian Express newspaper, was this:

"He (Tagore) got up very early in the morning and wrote a very beautiful poem.... When he came down, he said to one of us, 'Here is a poem which I have written. It is addressed to God, but give it to Congress people. It will please them." [3]

Thus, Tagore is said to have written the poem in honour of God. In a letter to Pulin Behari Sen, Tagore himself wrote:

"A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata [ed. God of Destiny] of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense."



If you read the whole song (5 verses) (the bengali version) then the song is no doubt is a prayer song praising the eternal Lord. If you read the 4 th verse of the song, here Bharat Bhagya bidhata is depicted as female (Tumi Mata). King George could not be female, however someone now may argue it means British queen).



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Ghoro Timiro Ghono Nibiro

Nishithay Pirito Murchhito Deshe

Jagrata Chhilo Tabo Abichalo Mangalo

Nato Nayanay Animeshe

Duhswapnay Atanke

Rakkha Karilay onke

Snehamoyee Tumi Mata



Jano Gano Dukho Trayaka

Jaya Hey Bharata Bhagya Bidhata

Jaya Hey, Jaya Hey, Jaya Hey,

Jaya Jaya Jaya, Jaya Hey



Janagano mano is a prayer song, which uniquely describes the geography of then India (in the first verse), and quite logically was adopted as the National Anthem for secular India.

In 2005, there were calls to delete the word "Sindh" and substitute it with the word Kashmir . The argument was that Sindh was no longer a part of India, having become part of Pakistan as a result of the Partition of 1947. Opponents of this proposal hold that the word "Sindh" refers to the Indus and to Sindhi culture and people who are an integral part of India's cultural fabric. The Supreme Court of India refused to tamper with the national anthem and the wording remains unchanged."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Gana_Mana#Controversies and http://www.mukto-mona.com/Special_Event_/5_yrs_anniv/asim_k_duttaroy/Genesis_of_Janagana.pdf

I & my friend thought it was our moral responsibility to make you aware of this so that you donot loose faith in your own National Anthem. We believe that its now your social responsibility to spread this knowledge.
 
your translation may be right. bt i suspct because the people who adopted it as national anthem could be well aware about its meaning and if it was a prayer to our motherland, it could not have been adopted. the people responsible to adopt it as national anthem could not be so irresponsible.
i suggest you to ensure authenticity of info given by you.
 
the translation may be right but there could be no such blunder mistake on the part of people who adopted it as national anthem that a poem written to welcome a english lord could be a national anthem.
i do not exact meaning of whole poem but can say the this is a prayer to our mother land.
this may be objectionable that this covers all regions which are now part of pak.
 
hard to beleive. there could be no such mistake on the part of people who adopted it as national anthem. a poem written to welcome a english lord could not be adopted as national anthem.
i do not know its exact meaning but can say this is a prayer to our motherland.
i suggest to ensure authenticity of information.
only that part of anthem objection that covers areas which are now in pak.
 
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