Walking with Comrades

[sanjaymalik]

Even who was main founder of this CPI(M), was not andorsed the way now they are heading these days- Mr Kanu Sanyal,he was also against the idea of armed struggle against the state.he just did not consider this naxalbari movement to be that extent, sanyal also rejected the idea of advocay of individuals assassination.he was also critical of the activities of present day maoists. and recently commited suicide due to shift in ideology.
abstract form article on life of kanu Sanyal- Frontline.
Now it becames a totally terrrorist outfit which is obstract the way of development for the tribals in remote areas with some hidden agenda.

 

[arvindc]

Arvind, sorry for being blunt, but you are just showing your ignorance repeatedly. Or if I have to be more uncharitable, then you may be one of the "misguided brother" who wants to overthrow the Indian state and is just obfuscating the issues here. I am giving you facts and you are giving me "your" opinions.

The fact is that whatever you are giving here is also your opinion and the issue with you seems to be that this “opinion” has been built by constant feeding of incorrect information by media. (you can judge media by judging how factual the media opinion is on the intra-gotra issue). I will try to bring the other side of the issue, through the "facts" that you have given.

The foremost thing is the use of terminologies, Maoists, Naxals and tribals. Let me give you the perspective fo these terms.

Maoists = People who believe in Maoisim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism)
Naxals/Naxalites = A group of people involved in an movement that started as a peasant rebellion in the eastern Indian village of Naxalbari.
Tribals = A tribe (community) whose majority of the population lives in the forests.

Now what do you call a person who is a tribal community, believes in Maoism and participating in the Naxalite movement?
The topic that we are discussing here deals with this uprising of the tribals and peasants for their (fundamental) rights. This uprising has now formed a guerrilla army. So at the ground level, the tribals, Maoists and naxalites are the same people.
There are some influential, capitalist people (with some in government too) who prefers to call the whole issue only as a “Maoists master plan” to gain public sympathy and to give a legitimate angle to their ultimate, inferior aim of clearing (to the extent of genocide) the tribal population from the forests. The forests have valuables resources with which the capitalists want to fill their swiss accounts. However, the forest is the home of these tribal people and these people are against setting up of these mines (and big dams). In this situation, these people had two fundamental options either flight or fight. (In my opinion, none (fight/flight) is superior then other, both are adorned by nature. Both have to be used judiciously, based on the situation).

1. So you "think" that it is a mass movement and so you go on to define mass movement and its objectives. What mass movement? Who are the people fighting the Maoists in State and non-State forces like Salwa Judum? Are they not from the masses? You are not the one who gets to define the objectives of the Maoists The leadership of Maoists has described it in full detail. And then you are basically throwing conjectures around by saying the movement would continue without these leaders. Mass movements don't hide in jungles, burn trains, indulge in looting. There was a mass movement during Emergency under JP and it truly involved the masses. There have been local mass movements for Uttarakhand, Telangana, etc. Appreciate the difference.

What mass movement? - The movement of these tribals and peasants who are fighting for survival with dignity.

Salwa Judum? - refer to the post by Vipin Jyani (The Chhattisgarh Government has admitted in the Supreme Court that Salwa Judum and security forces had burnt houses and looted property and compensation has been ordered to the families of the victims of these atrocities.)

Are they not from the masses? – Yes they are from the masses but have drifted away from the movement.

You are not the one who gets to define the objectives of the Maoists The leadership of Maoists has described it in full detail. And then you are basically throwing conjectures around by saying the movement would continue without these leaders. -Yes, I am not the one who defines the objective of the Maoists but neither are you. The objectives pointed by you are the short term objectives of the CPI(M) party. Since Maoism is their ideology the ultimate objective could be thought of bringing a governance style based on Maoism. (refer to the CPI(M) agenda below)

Mass movements don't hide in jungles, burn trains, indulge in looting. There was a mass movement during Emergency under JP and it truly involved the masses. There have been local mass movements for Uttarakhand, Telangana, etc. Appreciate the difference. - Could not get what you are trying to convey here. If it’s regarding the definition of what is called a mass-movement, then let’s not debate it here.

2. What's there to assume in who the leadership is. Who the leaders are is not an unknown. And what concerns of tribals is the movement addressing? Is it tribals' concern to overthrow the State through a protracted war? Let's say I ASSUME that is the tribals' concern- then as an INDIAN, I consider these people to be terrorists and anti-national and it is State's duty to suppress them.

And what concerns of tribals is the movement addressing? - It is addressing the atrocities of the poor tribals and peasants.

Is it tribals' concern to overthrow the State through a protracted war? Let's say I ASSUME that is the tribals' concern- then as an INDIAN, I consider these people to be terrorists and anti-national and it is State's duty to suppress them. – Those who have studied the problem at the ground level have described the issues and concerns. Read this thread for details. Remember, Maoism is an ideology and the bullets from the security forces can not kill it. What these bullets kill is a physical human body, the body of a poor tribal/peasant human being. Even if all of these people are eliminated, the problem wILL not solve. The problem - greed in the capitalists mind, wILL only become bigger and stronger and would start targeting (exploiting) the next class (middle lower-class, like farmers).

3. This was the killer one. It just shows how you want to overlook solid evidence and believe in your fantasies. What I gave to you was from the CONSTITUTION OF THE MAOISTS, as drafted and followed by them. The guy whose statement I gave here is the official spokesperson for the Maoists. And you just dismiss that as ambition of the "few". Hitler and his "few" cronies decided what actions Germany took. Ditto with Mao and his "few". History teaches us to be wary of the ambitions and actions of the "few" who LEAD, not the fantasies of hundreds who FOLLOW.

As mentioned above, the pointed by you are the short term objectives of the CPI(M) party. These are not my fantasies, this is what I have gathered from the wise people and people who have gone there and got a first hand experience. I value the opinion of these people rather than of those who opinion based on media reports setting in there AC rooms.
Even the links suggested by you (the so called facts) also mention the core issues and concerns of this fight.


In the interview of Gurucharan Kisku (tehelka.com story) “Our area is so hilly and remote that no benefits of government policies ever reach the villages. I wanted to be part of the revolution again to preserve our community, cultural identity and language. We needed a revolution to bring development to our society.”


“Are you still a Maoist?
Complicated question. If you apply Maoist theory, then I am the real Maoist. If you consider Maoist as someone who kills police officers and innocent people, I am not one. I am the one following the party line. They [Kishenji’s group] have wavered.

What is the agenda of your group?
It is important for the people of India to understand the difference between the demands of the Adivasis and that of the Maoists. We have started uniting the tribals of [West] Bengal, Orissa and Jharkhand. We are yet to decide on a formal name for our group and the direction our struggle will take. We are going to decide soon what our next steps will be. Wherever there are Adivasis, we will start our movement there. We don’t have any radically new agenda to offer. Within our tribal societies, we have our own democratic structures and we will let that take due course. Our immediate objective is to bring back the primacy of our language and culture in our society.”
contd...

 

[arvindc]

..continued from previous post

Do you believe in the Constitution and the democratic process?
To get what the Indian Constitution promises us, like what the 5th Schedule promised us tribals, we need a popular uprising. Where is it written that the police can inflict such brutality on us? I don’t believe in elections or panchayats. Adivasis cannot expect justice through the existing democratic process. I also don’t believe in the Maoist description of the Constitution. For the self-esteem and self-respect of Adivasis, we need to have our own systems and structures in place. No one wants the extensive bloodshed we are witnessing now.

WHENEVER I OPPOSED THE KILLING OF ADIVASIS, I WAS TOLD TO THINK OF THEM AS CADRES OF THE CPM

Then why do you insist on keeping arms? When would you use them?
We have no plan to use them if our revolution can be successful without arms. But we have so many enemies that we need something for our own protection. We will only use arms in self-defence. If the State uses repression, we will be forced to take up arms.”

From the link:http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/maoist/documents/papers/partyconstitution.htm (which you “selectively” described as CONSTITUTION OF THE MAOISTS)

Maoist Documents​

Party Constitution ​

Central Committee (P) ​

CPI (Maoist) ​

FOREWORD
The present draft document has been finalized by Joint CC of the erstwhile CPI (ML)[PW] and the MCCI in September 2004 after extensive discussions. Five draft documents were prepared after intense discussions in a series of bilateral meetings held between the high-level delegations of the two erstwhile parties between February 2003 and September 2004. The Joint CC meeting deeply studied these five draft documents, freely exchanged the rich experiences acquired through the revolutionary practice during the past three decades and more, and arrived at a common understanding on several vexed questions confronting the Indian revolution in the backdrop of the international developments.
The present document – Party Constitution – is the synthesis of all the positive points in the documents of the two erstwhile parties, as well as their experiences in the course of waging the people’s war, fighting against revisionism, and right and left opportunist trends in the Indian and international communist movement, and building a stable and consistent revolutionary movement in various parts of our country.
We are placing the present document before the entire rank and file of our new Unified Party for immediate guidance and implementation. At the same time, it should be borne in mind that this is a draft for the forthcoming Congress of the Unified Party. Hence, it has to be enriched further by the participation of all the Party members and suggesting amendments where necessary. Thus it should become an effective weapon in the hands of the Party for solving the fundamental problems of the Indian revolution and to advance it towards victory.
Central Committee (P)

21-9-2004​

Communist Party of India (Maoist)​

CHAPTER-1 : GENERAL PROGRAMME
The Communist Party of India (Maoist) is the consolidated political vanguard of the Indian proletariat. Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is the ideological basis guiding its thinking in all the spheres of its activities. Immediate aim or program of the Communist Party is to carry on and complete the new democratic revolution in India as a part of the world proletarian revolution by overthrowing the semi-colonial, semi-feudal system under neo- colonial form of indirect rule, exploitation and control and the three targets of our revolution—imperialism, feudalism and comprador big bourgeoisie. The ultimate aim or maximum programme of the party is the establishment of communist society.
....
Article - 4: Aims and Objectives:
The immediate aim of the party is to accomplish the New Democratic Revolution in India by verthrowing imperialism, feudalism and comprador bureaucratic capitalism only through the Protracted People’s War and establishes the people’s democratic dictatorship under the leadership of the proletariat. It will further fight for the establishment of socialism. The ultimate aim of the party is to bring about communism by continuing the revolution under the leadership of the proletariat and thus abolishing the system of exploitation of man by man from the face of earth.
The Communist Party of India (Maoist) dedicates itself at the service of the people and revolution, herishes high affection and respect for the people, relies upon the people and will sincere in learning from them. The party stands vigilant against all reactionary conspiracies and revisionist maneuvers.
Article - 5: The party will continue to hold high the banner of proletarian internationalism and will put its due share in achieving the unity of the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist forces at international level.

4. Again, you are sure that Maoists would welcome humanitarian help. No one would like to risk their life on your conviction, especially given Maoists' track record. You can't distribute medicines when you don't know that the next step you take may blow you up in a landmine. I will agree that governance has to improve. But it just can't improve while Maoists are there.

No one hates development. If you think it is risky, use aero planes/ helicopters to drop medicines and food. And yes, if it is that risky, then were those poor BSF people send on a suicide mission to gain public sympathy? I think you should ask this to your beloved HM who gave direct (unusual of a HM) orders to that CRPF team.

5. Again your believes on why Maoists are violent are independent of the facts. The Maoist ideology predates any tribal revolt. The "revolutionaries" who swayed or coerced tribals into taking up arms ALWAYS had that agenda. It is there in their constitution. "Protracted people's War", "People's Liberation Army", "Violent armed struggle to overthrow the proletriat" is all part of a planned strategy inspired from Mao's own "revolution" in China. It is not a question of opinion, it is well documented. Maoists proclaim this proudly. They grew up on these ideas. The tribals areas just provided them with the opportunity to practise their ideology.

It is not the “Maoists” which is the core issue. The real issue at core (ground) level is greed, exploitation and a real bad governance. The Maoists angle is highlighted in an attempt to vague the real issue and gain public sympathy by linking and leveraging upon the anti-Chinese feeling in the India.

 

[vijay123]

No arm struggle in these days can be successful. It can bring unrest in the area for some time but can not be a solution. You can look at any of the armed struggles going around in the world. LTTE being the prime example. Again if you see such armed movement against a big state like India, they are then destined for failure. J&K struggle is going on for many decades, we had militancy in Punjab for a decade, there was Assam movement, but none of them succeeded. These can only keep the issue alive for can not result in any sort of independence governance. If the current struggle get intensified then govt will also scale its counter operations and it even has the option to use 1.1 million strong Army too. Same is the fate with Communist govt all over the world, except for China no one succeeded and we know the human rights record of China as well. There is no alternative to democracy. Even India got independence through non violence which is actually the strongest weapon again a state. If there is a disobedience movement by a large section, I dont think govt can afford to ignore it.

 

[upendersingh]

Do you think LTTE still a problem for Sri Lanka? If not, then do you think LTTE have been eliminated by non-violence?

 

[arvindc]

Official Panel Questions Govt Approach To Naxal Issue (http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?682964)

Questioning the government's approach towards Naxalite problem, members of an official panel that had gone into extremism issue have said instead of it telling the ultras to abjure violence, both sides should declare a ceasefire and create an atmosphere for talks.

"If the government is serious enough to alleviate the tribal problem, then it should persuade the Maoists to come for talks," former IAS officer Debabrata Bandopadhyay, Chairman of the panel, told PTI.

The Planning Commission had set up the expert group on Development Issues with the Causes of Discontent, Unrest and Extremism in May 2006. The panel has already submitted its report on Development Challenges in Extremist Affected Areas.

Observing that the government is taking a "wrong approach", Bandopadhyay said, "The government should not speak of (Maoists) abjuring violence. Both sides should go for a ceasefire and create a conducive environment so that they can sit for talks.

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Terming the Maoist problem as a "political" one, Bandopadhyay said, "The tribals are suffering from injustice for long because of the failure of the administration to implement protective regulations in scheduled areas resulting in land alienation, forced eviction and dependence on money lenders."

He said that over 2.40 lakh out of 8 crore tribal population in the country have been displaced and not yet been rehabilitated. "Police operation cannot solve the problem."

 

[arvindc]

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?265515

It is, however, when there is some real soul-searching that former cops start seeing eye to eye with civil society. So when former Punjab DGP K.P.S. Gill asks what use is a highway in Dantewada to a tribal when his basic needs of a hospital, school or employment are not addressed, one wonders whose side he is on. Or when he observes that “corruption built into the system which fails to deliver is more destructive than the criticism of the civil rights groups”. It is a view that is echoed by former IPS officer, K.S. Subramanian, when he says that there is a lot of structural violence in the state, and Naxal violence is a response to it. According to him, Chidambaram should perhaps start listening to human rights groups instead of relying heavily on intelligence inputs from cops who have a security mindset, oblivious to the larger issues of structural imbalances, development issues and displacement.
Perhaps that’s the advice the home minister should take. Listen to human rights activists for a change instead of blaming it all on them. And then listen some more.

 

[arvindc]

Do you think LTTE still a problem for Sri Lanka? If not, then do you think LTTE have been eliminated by non-violence?

Yes, LTTE has been eliminated by force (violence) but I do not aprove of that force. - We are lucky to be born out of Jaffana.

LTTE, might not be a problem now, however, was LTTE the problem? Nope, it was a symptom.

 

[arvindc]

"What is the root cause of the problem in the tribal areas?
The intent is to give every inch of land to corporates for mining and plants. I gave mining rights to NMDC, a government undertaking. Raman Singh would like to hawk all the land to corporates. The tribals are living on land that has the richest iron ore in the world and bauxite, rubies and diamonds. He would like to provoke a war where the forest is flattened and the people driven out."


- Ajit Jogi Chhattisgarh first chief minister, a permanent member of the CWC and an MLA.
Link: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?265519

 

[kapdal]

Arvindc, your antics would have been really funny if they were not on such a serious issue. You are quoting any Tom, Dick and Harry who is saying anything that gels with your own blinkered views. Do you know who Ajit Jogi is? He was disowned by Congress when he was caught on tape trying to buy MLAs. Where do you think the money came from? So much for lecturing on corruption.

Then you quote KPS Gill on corruption again to support your views. Do you know what KPS Gill's solution would be despite his acknowledment of corruption? It'd be the way he dealt with Punjab terrorism. Everyone who talks of tackling the Maoists talks about tackling corruption, development, etc. However, do the Maoist supporters talk about need for Maoists to shun violence, to shun their anti-national agenda of overthrowing the state and establishing communism?

Then you don't even know the difference between CPI(M) or CPM and CPI (Maoist). You have liberally used CPI (M)/CPM for CPI (Maoist). CPI (Maoist) and its previous avatars (CPI (Marxist-Leninist), Maoist Communist Center, People's War Group) has been at loggerheads with CPM since 1960s when CPM decided to pursue electoral politics (thus becoming a part of democratic process). They rule in West Bengal and fight CPI (Maoist) day in and day out. Learn the difference before indulging in blatant copy paste. Your knowledge of the matter is really shallow and it shows the way you dismiss the Maoist agenda as proclaimed by Maoists (and not by me or anyone else) and as followed by them for 4 decades. You want to eschew the reality for some arty-farty ideas of "people's struggle", "ground realities" & "mass movement"- being propogated by any one and his dog who has ever seen a tribal, even if in a magazine photograph. Content and logic matters, not whether you are sitting in AC or hot plate.

 

[kapdal]

The issue of development...DOUBLE THINK

Maoist supporters are a classic example of Orwellian phrase- Doublethink.

"In the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting as correct two mutually contradictory beliefs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

It only suits that 1984 was also a novel about a totalitarian state of the sort Maoists believe in. The perfect doublethink is on the issue of development. So the neighbourhood left-liberal would get on the roof top and shout, "Why can't the tribals be left alone" and follow it up with "The real issue is lack of development and poverty". For the love of god I can't understand how the tribals can be left alone and tribal areas developed simultaneously. Development doesn't happen in vacuum. You need capital (yeah the sick capital) to build roads, health centers, schools, pretty much everything. You need these places to have a standard of living that attracts teachers, doctors and other service providers. And the tribals themselves need to connect to the world if they have to "develop" or improve their standard of living. You can't simultaneously live off the forest and come out of poverty. If you want to have roads, schools, hospital and jazz in tribal areas, then by definition tribals can't be left alone.

This double think is apparent even in the leader of pseudo-liberal, Arundhati Roy's 10 page rant in Outlook. In the same breath, she talks about how tribals don't walk on the roads, but cross them (implying they don't need roads/development as long as they have their forests) AND developmental issues like lack of education, health-care. In one example, she sheds crocodile tears on how tribals are severly underpaid for their tendu leaves by middlemen who then sell the leaves for exorbitant prices. A little common sense would say that tribals well-connected with the market (through roads, modern communication channels, etc.) could get the market price for their leaves.

Tribals can decide how much development they want through their elected representatives.

 

[arvindc]

Arvindc, your antics would have been really funny if they were not on such a serious issue. You are quoting any Tom, Dick and Harry who is saying anything that gels with your own blinkered views. Do you know who Ajit Jogi is? He was disowned by Congress when he was caught on tape trying to buy MLAs. Where do you think the money came from? So much for lecturing on corruption.

Then you quote KPS Gill on corruption again to support your views. Do you know what KPS Gill's solution would be despite his acknowledment of corruption? It'd be the way he dealt with Punjab terrorism. Everyone who talks of tackling the Maoists talks about tackling corruption, development, etc. However, do the Maoist supporters talk about need for Maoists to shun violence, to shun their anti-national agenda of overthrowing the state and establishing communism?

Then you don't even know the difference between CPI(M) or CPM and CPI (Maoist). You have liberally used CPI (M)/CPM for CPI (Maoist). CPI (Maoist) and its previous avatars (CPI (Marxist-Leninist), Maoist Communist Center, People's War Group) has been at loggerheads with CPM since 1960s when CPM decided to pursue electoral politics (thus becoming a part of democratic process). They rule in West Bengal and fight CPI (Maoist) day in and day out. Learn the difference before indulging in blatant copy paste. Your knowledge of the matter is really shallow and it shows the way you dismiss the Maoist agenda as proclaimed by Maoists (and not by me or anyone else) and as followed by them for 4 decades. You want to eschew the reality for some arty-farty ideas of "people's struggle", "ground realities" & "mass movement"- being propogated by any one and his dog who has ever seen a tribal, even if in a magazine photograph. Content and logic matters, not whether you are sitting in AC or hot plate.

You call the serious talk as funny antics. You choose to call the people like Ajit Jogi - Ex-CM, KPS Gill, E N Rammohan (former director-general of BSF who was appointed by HM to probe Dantewada massacre), K.S. Subramanian (former IPS officer) as Tom, Dick and Harry. You even ignore the references you yourself had given, Gurucharan Kisku and the “CONSTITUTION OF THE MAOISTS”, which all point to the same root problem. You choose to ignore the opinions of the people who had actually gone to the affected areas and had studied the problem closely.

If all of this is nonsense in your view, then it would be interesting to know what makes ‘sense’ to you? Who are the people in your ‘opinion’ who should be believed and are worth quoting on the subject?

I wonder if it is your lovely HM, whose statements have been opposed by his own party, or the media, whose truth can be easily gauged by the reporting of the Jat community and the Khap issue.

Anyway, thanks for pointing out the error on the CPI (M), in my post it should be read as CPI (Maoist).

 

[arvindc]

Maoist supporters are a classic example of Orwellian phrase- Doublethink.

"In the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting as correct two mutually contradictory beliefs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

It only suits that 1984 was also a novel about a totalitarian state of the sort Maoists believe in. The perfect doublethink is on the issue of development. So the neighbourhood left-liberal would get on the roof top and shout, "Why can't the tribals be left alone" and follow it up with "The real issue is lack of development and poverty". For the love of god I can't understand how the tribals can be left alone and tribal areas developed simultaneously. Development doesn't happen in vacuum. You need capital (yeah the sick capital) to build roads, health centers, schools, pretty much everything. You need these places to have a standard of living that attracts teachers, doctors and other service providers. And the tribals themselves need to connect to the world if they have to "develop" or improve their standard of living. You can't simultaneously live off the forest and come out of poverty. If you want to have roads, schools, hospital and jazz in tribal areas, then by definition tribals can't be left alone.

This double think is apparent even in the leader of pseudo-liberal, Arundhati Roy's 10 page rant in Outlook. In the same breath, she talks about how tribals don't walk on the roads, but cross them (implying they don't need roads/development as long as they have their forests) AND developmental issues like lack of education, health-care. In one example, she sheds crocodile tears on how tribals are severly underpaid for their tendu leaves by middlemen who then sell the leaves for exorbitant prices. A little common sense would say that tribals well-connected with the market (through roads, modern communication channels, etc.) could get the market price for their leaves.

Tribals can decide how much development they want through their elected representatives.

So you think that the whole tribal population and all these people who opinion against your beloved HM are a victim of doublethink. What is more likely, is that either you have been brainwashed by the media or you have been infested with the same greed which is also the root cause of this problem.

The tribals opposition to the roads is understable as these are used by the security forces to launch attacks on them and are also used by the mining lobby to exploit the forest.

Also, you need to get to the psychology of the person who is tortured, raped, and exploited (like a slave) for years. Would that person be interested in construction of road or a free life (even if it is nomadic)?

They had been victimized by the "democracy" that you speak of. It is difficult for them to fall back to the same thing again. The democracy that you are talking about (peoples democracy) is only an illusion, the real thing at work today is democracy of corruption, read post: http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?29770-Walking-with-Comrades&p=244107&viewfull=1#post244107)

IMO, it would is in the interest of all to give them a chance of self-governance by a special provision in the Indian legislation. Self-governance through self-determination is an example of real democracy. (The khaps issue is fundamentally same). I do not see any reason of objecting to this by people who are not at all linked to the area. Self-governance by these tribals is not going to impact any one outside the tribal area. So why is this opposition?

 

[upendersingh]

Yes, LTTE has been eliminated by force (violence) but I do not aprove of that force. - We are lucky to be born out of Jaffana.

LTTE, might not be a problem now, however, was LTTE the problem? Nope, it was a symptom.

What do you want? Rule of Naxalites and Maoist on whole country? Will then you be satisfied? Do you want Indians to live under the doctrines of Mao (a Chinese). If yes, then why do you want Indians to live with no self-respect. If Maoist rule India, then Chinese will tease Indians saying look you Indians we have forced you to adopt Maoism. You Indians have become slaves to a Chinese.

Why do you want so Mr. Gandas?

 

[kapdal]

You call the serious talk as funny antics. You choose to call the people like Ajit Jogi - Ex-CM, KPS Gill, E N Rammohan (former director-general of BSF who was appointed by HM to probe Dantewada massacre), K.S. Subramanian (former IPS officer) as Tom, Dick and Harry. You even ignore the references you yourself had given, Gurucharan Kisku and the “CONSTITUTION OF THE MAOISTS”, which all point to the same root problem. You choose to ignore the opinions of the people who had actually gone to the affected areas and had studied the problem closely.

If all of this is nonsense in your view, then it would be interesting to know what makes ‘sense’ to you? Who are the people in your ‘opinion’ who should be believed and are worth quoting on the subject?

I wonder if it is your lovely HM, whose statements have been opposed by his own party, or the media, whose truth can be easily gauged by the reporting of the Jat community and the Khap issue.

Anyway, thanks for pointing out the error on the CPI (M), in my post it should be read as CPI (Maoist).

Tom-Dick-Harry was ONLY for Ajit jogi. There was para break to make the difference clear. On one hand you are shedding copious tears on corruption and on the other vouching for a guy who is a mascot of corruption in tribal land. That IS double-think.

KPS Gill and the other gentlemen you are quoting are making very good points about the conditions in tribal areas and how that helps the Maoists in pushing their agenda. But these guys don't belong to "Government is BAD, Maoists are GOOD" brigade who paint govt. as the oppressor and Maoists as victims. They have a BALANCED view. Even the home-minister who you love to berate has talked about a 2-pronged approach with improving conditions in tribal areas as important as tackling Maoists.

Now, tell me where have you or any other Bleeding Heart Liberal (BHL) has acknowledged a single wrong doing on part of Maoists? Do BHLs look at Maoist constitution and say that overthrowing of Indian state or espousing violence as a legitimate mean to impose communism on India is unacceptable? No, instead they justify or obfuscate these issues like you did. Do BHLs look at the oppression of tribals by Maoists where they force the tribals to provide food & shelter, misbehave with them and kill anyone not in agreement with them? No, according to BHLs, Maoists are angels incapable of any wrong-doing. Do BHLs listen to tribals like Kisku who have been with Maoists and expose their venal agenda and tactics? No, you just want to look at parts where he talks about bad ground conditions (that all sane people agree to) but close your ears when he exposes Maoists. The word of a tribal leader who has been with Maoists is not good enough for you. But words of people who have spent a few days on the ground, like Arundhati Roy, are like a gospel truth. I read her article and it is so obviously contrived to present what she wants to present. She is a master in fiction writing with a booker to boot.

I have not ignored anything. You can read my posts- and I have always acknowledged that bad conditions and ill-will amongst common people provide a breeding ground for ideological warriors, whether they are Maoists or Taliban. But the guys spreading the virus (Kishenji or Bin Laden) are themselves not victims, they take advantage of the conditions to push their agenda.

 

[ravichaudhary]

Why did the Naxal movement not take hold in Western UP or Haryana?

Ravi Chaudhary

 

[virj]

In 2006, with the rapid increase in civil unrest and the resultant violence, the Planning Commission set up a special committee to look into the causes of this unrest and violence. In its report published last year the Committee states that traditionally the poor have resorted to gathering forest materials and things grown in common lands to make two ends meet. With the increasing use of common lands for profit by certain business or political interests, their livelihoods have becoming even more tenuous. This, the Committee feels, is the real cause of the spread of “Naxalism” and violence. It further states that this widespread unrest has plagued the polity for some time. For a large section of people basic survival is a problem. “The Constitutional mandate (Article 39) to prevent concentration of wealth in a few hands is ignored in policy making”. Have you noticed this principal being followed except in the breach? Can you say that you have seen the Rs 32 lakhs used by your MP in any way ( every month) that has visibly changed the lot of the poorest? I certainly can’t. And the travesty continues. It is with this backdrop of governmental failures to the poor that Mr Chidambaram’s violent statements against the Maoists and Naxalites, and his unleashing of brutal force against Adivasis needs to be seen. Who is the bigger public enemy – someone who rooks the nation daily of hundreds of crores or a group of Adivasis agitating not to be deprived of ancestral lands? Who needs the army out against them, the Ministers and Robber Barons raping and pillaging India or allowing this rape for profit, or a bunch of women and children trying to eke out a living and protecting their men folk even if they have killed wrongly?

I am in no way condoning the violence of the Marxists or Naxalites. I abjure violence under all circumstances, and abhor it. But picking up a gun is only one obvious form of violence. The rape of the country in the name of business, of development and the amassing of colossal sums of money at the cost of millions of people and the land is a much greater form of violence. And yet it gets the blessings of our governments. In fact it is lauded by the same inner circle with awards and plaudits.
The Naxalites are petty change as violence mongers compared to these avaricious robber barons. Let us call a spade a spade and go after the true enemies of our people.

Full article here at http://www.mallikasarabhai.com/js42.html



Is this lady(and the planning commission) correct on what she/they think where the real problem lies ??

Apart from Ravi ji's question can learned member please comment on this as well?

 

[upendersingh]

Maoist attack leads to train collision, over 100 killed

At least 120 passengers are feared killed and 160 injured after suspected Maoists derailed 13 coaches of Mumbai-bound Gyaneshwari Express leading to a collision with a goods train in West Midnapore district early on Friday.



If this is not TERRORISM, then what is it?

Should still Naxalites be supported?

Shouldn't still Naxalites be eliminated?

 

[fateh]

Brother, it is terrorism, even reason of takingup weapons against the state may be different, they must be brought back to the main stream of national life by taking care of their problems & if still they donot surrender, they must be eliminated at the earliest.

 

[shailendra]

Pakistani Links?...

...What is now becoming increasingly obvious is that these Naxals have stepped up the tempo (brazenly confident) and apparently whatever newer intelligence is being gathered and being made public on the red terror suggests that their forces are constantly increasing their capabilities, which include more men and sophisticated machinery.

There are reports that have uncomfortably also started to point towards links they well may have with anti-national groups such as the Lashkar-e-Tayiba or maybe other Pakistan-based groups who could sneakily be providing support to the uprising.

It is not hard to see these Naxal terrorists are only focused on disrupting the concept of democracy and they would align with any force even it is anti-national; just to further their cause.