We should decrease population or increase??

[nd-chora]

Once again RSS president K.C.Sudarshan thinks about downfall in hindu population. Two days before also he advised all hindus to give birth at least 3 childerens. Some hindu religious leaders also giving this type of statements. Noticeable thing is that Sudarshan presides the RSS which controls 40 institutes and parties including BJP. BJP has rule in 4 states. They all consider RSS as a mother. Surprising thing is that after Sudarshan last statement Madhaya Pardesh govt. has changed one rule also, according to that if u have more than 2 childeren u cant fight for Panchayat Election. Now its scrap from MP. This is just one example, things would not stop here only.BJP ruled Govts. can do so many acts that would be opposite to center Govt.'s family planning scheme.From last 30-40 years the revolution that created among public, environment that we made for population control would be washed out.
On international level our condition will be like ' One step forward two steps backward'.
Sudarshan defends his statements saying that " If we see since 1881 the population of other religion in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh increasing rapidly as compare to Hindus. At that time Hindus were 79.02% and in 1991 the Hindus population in these three countries remains only 68.03%.
In India muslim population growth rate is 10% higher than Hindus".

Question is that Sudarshan is right or wrong?

Per my views instead of giving this type of statements we should do some revolutionary work in other community or religion to control there population. Due to illitracy, poverty, insecurity and more important religious fundamentlism that persist in their community , is the main cause for population growth.If we will move the wheel totally in opposite direction, definitely there would be more new problems for our country. For this task co-operation of all is needed. Dont consider it as a Hindu problem, its a country problem...MERE BHARAT KI SAMSHYA.

JAI HIND

 

[positivelook]

Absolutely right Population is our contry problem and we hhave to control it. I rekon every religion have to control population. Sudarshans advise of three childrens is not acceptable in current scenario. Population is giving birth to so many problems. So in my point of view control on population is demand of today's India.

Abhimanyu Phougat

 

[keshavdahiya]

Very serious problem for india

HI EVERY ONE,
Now this is the most crucial stage of our economy and already the second largest country after china in regards to population.
Its really surprising how these people come up such wierd ideas of inceasing the population.
BUT ITS TERRIBLY SORRY TO SAY these people definitly needs to be "Culled"
(which is a population genetic term meaning to eliminate from the population either by sterlising or by killing them).....the later one is ofcourse not applicable but we can imply the first method for them
I wish it cud be done.
But we definitly need some policy to reduce the population growth rate.
AND THATS A DAMN SERIOUS ISSUE

DANGI BHAI Sudershan ke uper kaambal gerr ke chiter marne chahiye,har pher 2 min saans leke hat ke sodh bhar deni chahiye jib inke baat samjh mein awagi

 

[devdahiya]

Pehlyaein ghanne sein

Bhai Ristedar, hadde pehlyaein perr dharan ki jaghan na mill rhi.............kidde-makodyan ki dhhall bharya padya se sab kim. jo sein unn ne-e aadhhe kar dyo kyukre.

 

[captmanjeet]

No No No!!!

wheather he is sudershan or the shahi iman who so ever talks population increase and gives what ever reasons in that context be it relegious or the social equilibrium, he is a traitor in my opinion.I dont think we depends on the advice of all these so called self styled leaders of relegions.But i am afraid they do make an impact on the 70%of the population of my country.This is my biggest worry because these peaple has a strong base of illitrate indians.Peaple tend to follow them without making any querries.Need of the hour is EDUCATION.As discussed in many threads here on jatland these sort of problems can onl;y be tackled by educating the masses so that they can find out the real motive of these trators.

 

[badan]

wheather he is sudershan or the shahi iman who so ever talks population increase and gives what ever reasons in that context be it relegious or the social equilibrium, he is a traitor in my opinion.I dont think we depends on the advice of all these so called self styled leaders of relegions.But i am afraid they do make an impact on the 70%of the population of my country.This is my biggest worry because these peaple has a strong base of illitrate indians.Peaple tend to follow them without making any querries.Need of the hour is EDUCATION.As discussed in many threads here on jatland these sort of problems can onl;y be tackled by educating the masses so that they can find out the real motive of these trators.

Correct, Capt Manjeet

Badan Singh

 

[badan]

Once again RSS president K.C.Sudarshan thinks about downfall in hindu population. Two days before also he advised all hindus to give birth at least 3 childerens. Some hindu religious leaders also giving this type of statements. Noticeable thing is that Sudarshan presides the RSS which controls 40 institutes and parties including BJP. BJP has rule in 4 states. They all consider RSS as a mother. Surprising thing is that after Sudarshan last statement Madhaya Pardesh govt. has changed one rule also, according to that if u have more than 2 childeren u cant fight for Panchayat Election. Now its scrap from MP. This is just one example, things would not stop here only.BJP ruled Govts. can do so many acts that would be opposite to center Govt.'s family planning scheme.From last 30-40 years the revolution that created among public, environment that we made for population control would be washed out.
On international level our condition will be like ' One step forward two steps backward'.
Sudarshan defends his statements saying that " If we see since 1881 the population of other religion in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh increasing rapidly as compare to Hindus. At that time Hindus were 79.02% and in 1991 the Hindus population in these three countries remains only 68.03%.
In India muslim population growth rate is 10% higher than Hindus".

Question is that Sudarshan is right or wrong?

Per my views instead of giving this type of statements we should do some revolutionary work in other community or religion to control there population. Due to illitracy, poverty, insecurity and more important religious fundamentlism that persist in their community , is the main cause for population growth.If we will move the wheel totally in opposite direction, definitely there would be more new problems for our country. For this task co-operation of all is needed. Dont consider it as a Hindu problem, its a country problem...MERE BHARAT KI SAMSHYA.

JAI HIND

Dear

Popuation problem is there. No comment on political view. Popultion controll will be according to the Malthasian theory. This is fact. Every thing has a gragh - increasing - reaches the maximum - then decrease - then minimum - then increase. --- this is the circle. Also emplies on popualtion. Controll on pupaltion is tried by artificial methods and at last by nature. It is written by the author.

Badan Singh

 

[gsvijay1]

I don't know why Sudarshan think so much about population, he should give some thoughts on poverty and illiteracy in India. Increasing population will only increase these problems.

 

[rameshwarsingh]

this is high time for hindus to wake up.

Mr Sudarshan has rightly commented and urged every Hindu to increase population. This is the high time we should wake up. We are latterly sleeping. When other community has taken a target to reighn not only India but whole World, we are worried about population. Other community is achiving its target in three ways:

• by killing hindus like in J & K. In other parts also where there is their dominance, they ask hindus to move away.
• By giving birth to on an average of 8 childern per couple.
• by helping Bangladeshis to illegally come to India.

When all of members who have posted replies have tried to prove themselves “intellectual” by worrying future of India, none of them seems worried to save Hindu community. Today, the policy of Govt is pro muslims because their population is increasing and more importantly, because they cast their votes to a single party. Such discipline and unity has led state and central govts to make policies that will keep them pleased.
Let me give some examples of what is happening politically which may have lead Mr Sudarshan to give such comments.
Today Mr Ram Bilas Paswan demands a muslim CM.
Mulayam Singh Yadav from UP wants a separate University for them.
CM of Andhra demands 5% reservatiuon for them.
Bharat Milap was stopped at Mau because the sound of loudspeakers was disturbing Namaz.
And there are more and more similar incidents.
Why? They are disciplined and their population is increasing. We are not disciplined and united. We are least bothered about their killing of hindus, intruding of Bangladeshis and pro-muslim govt policies. When someone like Mr. Sudarshan asks us to think over fate of Hindus, people from our own community starts criticizing him. Just think, Has Mr. Sudarshan asks something which will yield him some personal benefits. He is talking about saving Hindu community. He has produced some data and the data indicate that again the time of Babar is coming very soon.
Just Thinka all Jats! We are first Hindus and then Jat. We are Kshitriya. History tells us that our prime responsibility is to save Hindu Community.
Wake up, unite, be disciplined and think positively wghat Mr Sudarshan says.
One more thing I want to share with all of you. I am not a RSS supporter. I am commenting on this suggestion only given by RSS chief and I am commenting on the replies of members.
Rameshwar

 

[punia]

Mr Sudarshan has rightly commented and urged every Hindu to increase population. This is the high time we should wake up. We are latterly sleeping. When other community has taken a target to reighn not only India but whole World, we are worried about population.
Why? They are disciplined and their population is increasing. We are not disciplined and united. We are least bothered about their killing of hindus, intruding of Bangladeshis and pro-muslim govt policies. When someone like Mr. Sudarshan asks us to think over fate of Hindus, people from our own community starts criticizing him.


Aapne bilkul dik kaha per - Agar ham Hindu population ko jayada karne ki bajaye Muslim community ke uper bhi yehi kanoon lagu kar de " Ham do hamara eek " to dik rahega. They are living in India , are Indians and they should respect the need of Country in this hour.

 

[prachi]

HI!
I am really scared that people can think about increasing the population for betterment of hindus. Are we not enough!!! If you are really bothered about the changing religion ratios than how about removing the quota system and other means for favouring the muslim minorities? After all if you want muslim to suffer how about ensuring that families with more than two kids ( any religion) get a negative treatment from the govt.
India definatley cannot think about reversing it population control strategies if it really wants hindus to thrive rather than just live???
prachi

 

[nd-chora]

Mr Sudarshan has rightly commented and urged every Hindu to increase population. This is the high time we should wake up. We are latterly sleeping. When other community has taken a target to reighn not only India but whole World, we are worried about population. Other community is achiving its target in three ways:

• by killing hindus like in J & K. In other parts also where there is their dominance, they ask hindus to move away.
• By giving birth to on an average of 8 childern per couple.
• by helping Bangladeshis to illegally come to India.

When all of members who have posted replies have tried to prove themselves “intellectual” by worrying future of India, none of them seems worried to save Hindu community. Today, the policy of Govt is pro muslims because their population is increasing and more importantly, because they cast their votes to a single party. Such discipline and unity has led state and central govts to make policies that will keep them pleased.
Let me give some examples of what is happening politically which may have lead Mr Sudarshan to give such comments.
Today Mr Ram Bilas Paswan demands a muslim CM.
Mulayam Singh Yadav from UP wants a separate University for them.
CM of Andhra demands 5% reservatiuon for them.
Bharat Milap was stopped at Mau because the sound of loudspeakers was disturbing Namaz.
And there are more and more similar incidents.
Why? They are disciplined and their population is increasing. We are not disciplined and united. We are least bothered about their killing of hindus, intruding of Bangladeshis and pro-muslim govt policies. When someone like Mr. Sudarshan asks us to think over fate of Hindus, people from our own community starts criticizing him. Just think, Has Mr. Sudarshan asks something which will yield him some personal benefits. He is talking about saving Hindu community. He has produced some data and the data indicate that again the time of Babar is coming very soon.
Just Thinka all Jats! We are first Hindus and then Jat. We are Kshitriya. History tells us that our prime responsibility is to save Hindu Community.
Wake up, unite, be disciplined and think positively wghat Mr Sudarshan says.
One more thing I want to share with all of you. I am not a RSS supporter. I am commenting on this suggestion only given by RSS chief and I am commenting on the replies of members.
Rameshwar

Mr. Rameshwar Ji I am not satisfy with you and Sudarshan on this logic. We(hindus) are not sleeping, we just woke-up, in the past we were sleeping when there was no control on number of childerens. If other communities are increasing their population its only due to their lack of proper education about benifits of family planning. Due to that there is poverty,illitracy and worsed condition in that community. Take example of arab countries and u said pakistan and bangladesh, there is no limitation for no. of childerens birth, so whats the situation of these countries on international level. In Pak and Bangladesh more than 30% population even can not afford two times bread for their childerens. so whats the use of this type of useless population? If you want this type of domination for our Hindu community then i am sorry for both of you and sudarshan. We cant make the same mistake that we made in past. There is no doubt now ki " HINDU JAAG GAYA HEI ".
Hey man plz learn from Israil, a handful of jews, a very small country surrounding by all muslim countries, PER SAB KE NAAK MEIN DAM KER RAKHA HEI, thats called community domination. Lets tell me where is muslim domination after being the most populated religion.
So my dear here quality matter not quantity.
We are indians first all other hindu,jats comes after this.
So plz rethink about your opinion for sake of my country. Plzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[rameshwarsingh]

Unite! unity is great strength.

Mr davender dangi ji
You wrote that hindu jaag utha hei. Saccha jagna to wo hoga jab goernment hamari mutthi mein hongi. .Most of the members think that by increasing 2 to 3 children by hindu community, our national population will increase. Aur wo kutte ki tarah bachche paida karte hein to desh ki abaadi ko kuchh nahin hota. Has any govt shown interest to make a universal law for family planning. No one can. Because no one wants to annoy them.
Ok what is the solution? I sggest to unite. Today hindus’ population is more than muslims. Let’s unite and cast vote to a single party. How this will be implemented, it is to be worked out. When the message will go to political parties that hindus have united, who h hoga jo hum chahenge. And then we can have a law for compulsory family planning. Our govt policies will be pro-hindu. No any will attack shree Ram temple and akshardham temple.
Unity of Hindus is the best solution, I see. Now I request all members to work out a plan how we can unite and how can political parties uinderstand importance of hindu votes.
rameshwar

 

[nd-chora]

Mr davender dangi ji
You wrote that hindu jaag utha hei. Saccha jagna to wo hoga jab goernment hamari mutthi mein hongi. .Most of the members think that by increasing 2 to 3 children by hindu community, our national population will increase. Aur wo kutte ki tarah bachche paida karte hein to desh ki abaadi ko kuchh nahin hota. Has any govt shown interest to make a universal law for family planning. No one can. Because no one wants to annoy them.
Ok what is the solution? I sggest to unite. Today hindus’ population is more than muslims. Let’s unite and cast vote to a single party. How this will be implemented, it is to be worked out. When the message will go to political parties that hindus have united, who h hoga jo hum chahenge. And then we can have a law for compulsory family planning. Our govt policies will be pro-hindu. No any will attack shree Ram temple and akshardham temple.
Unity of Hindus is the best solution, I see. Now I request all members to work out a plan how we can unite and how can political parties uinderstand importance of hindu votes.
rameshwar

sir i think u r diverting the thread issue, hindu unity is diffrent thing that v can discuss separatly . can u unite hindus by increasing its population ?
yes its a need of hour for family planning there should be an universal law and more importantly basic education should me made compulsory so that muslim community might be able to know the draw backs of crowded family. main problem is due to illitracy in their community.

 

[jitender_singh]

Hi,

I fully endorsed the idea of Sudarshan.things are not going right way..muslim population is increasing in a big way everywhere....

lets have example of assam at independance it has less than 5 % of muslim population but now it has more than 30% due to pro-muslim politics of Congresss..same is happening in other states..

its my personel opinion , in coming years they will be the cause of third world war...they are uniting themselves everywhere, they are not bothered about development..

Best thing would be that india should implement uniform civil code and one child policy as china have..

Regards
Jitender

 

[rameshwarsingh]

Many members have opined that today’s problems are due to illiteracy and poverty. There is a big write-up in today’s Hindustan times. Following are some quotes:
“ it is often said that to remove terrorism one must go to the root cause. The truth is that poverty does not necessarily cause terrorism nor does prosperity necessarily remove it. If poverty and unemployment were the main causes then terrorism should have occurred in the poorer parts of India like north bihar first before it hit Punjab, the most prosperous state.; or in J & K with a poverty ratio of only 3.5% against the national average of 26%. Both these terrorisms manifested religious overtones and had considerable access to external support.”
I have linked terrorism with increasing population of muslims because terrorism is nothing but result of increasing muslim population. U make a universal family planning code, the problem will vanish

 

[itsnavin]

In today's world...population is India's strength! We need to make full use of it. But we should be careful not to fuel it's growth beyond limit. Muslim population growth in our country is warning not to the Hindus but to country's prosperity. If muslim population give their full to India, there is no harm but if they have a "don't care" attitude, it's a bad signal. Center and state govts should encourage muslims and assure them that they are not a minority community. Hence increasing their participation in building the Nation!

However, Hindus are not left behind pulling India backwards. There are Maoists, Naxals, VHP, ShivSena, RSS etc etc..I don't think they are contributing anything positive except fueling controversies like mentioned in the thread.

 

[mukeshkumar007]

Yeh Sudarshan ke kitne bache hai??? .... I think 10-12 to honge hi koi batayega....

Agar Sudarshan Maharaj, unko kilane pilane ki guarantee de to is baat par soch sakte hai … Nahi to kal ko bhooke marte wo hamara hi sar fodenge ...
Haa to Sudarshan ji kya kehna hai apka..... I am waiting for ur reply..???

In today's world...population is India's strength! We need to make full use of it. But we should be careful not to fuel it's growth beyond limit. Muslim population growth in our country is warning not to the Hindus but to country's prosperity. If muslim population give their full to India, there is no harm but if they have a "don't care" attitude, it's a bad signal. Center and state govts should encourage muslims and assure them that they are not a minority community. Hence increasing their participation in building the Nation!

However, Hindus are not left behind pulling India backwards. There are Maoists, Naxals, VHP, ShivSena, RSS etc etc..I don't think they are contributing anything positive except fueling controversies like mentioned in the thread.

Navin you are absolutely right.. Now Indian govt. must think seriously to implement UNIFORM CIVIL CODE. All parties must specially Congress and BJP join their hand together to bring it. Muslim alone can’t be blamed for the slow progress of our Nation. If we (Hindu) have not been able to bring Muslim together in building the Nation prosperous than I think it is our fault... There is going something wrong in our system which is not accepting Muslim easily to come up together to make India strong. We must need to think seriously on this issue; meanwhile we must need to reject such silly appeal because it may confuse the innocent public.

 

[vinodks]

How media plays!!!

This is classical example of how media plays vital instrument in forming public opinions. Somebody starts a thread with a post without giving links and 20 more people jump in with 'yes-yes' slogan without caring to go deep into matter. Did anybody ask Dangi to give source of news? That shows indifference of public and acceptance of media 'as-it-is'. Dangi, could you give any proof that MP state changed its law based on Sudarshanji's statement??

I am strongly against population growth and I agree with all of you regarding population control. The remark made of Sudarshanji must have been in taken out of context... "Sudarshan's statement has been torn out of context. He only wanted that the population control measures be made applicable to all without any discrimination", RSS spokesman Ram Madhav said. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1550132,0008.htm

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/nov10/n9.asp

I have personally met Sudarshanji and a group of us talked for 3 hours. He talks a lot. I mean A LOT. And in surge of emotions he sometimes says "unwise" things, which are not politically correct. Thats why RSS appointed someone else as media person who is more suave in media. Everybody knows media is anti-RSS. He showed us original copy of interview regarding his views about Advani's statements and actual news report. News reports had collection of unrelated sentences combined whose meaning got changed. And reporter said it was done to make interview concise. So I am careful of what media feeds me becuz I know media survives on controversy.

But that doesn't affect strength of RSS (which grows mainly thru personal contacts) because those who are involved know what they are doing and don't give a damn to media. One hindu said something sensitive on population and 20 hindus jumped in to criticize him, these 20 people should empart their wisdom to thousands of those muslims who "say and DO" such things by producing dozens. That will be more effective check of population growth.

Navin, I would think twice before naming Maoist, Naxalist and RSS in same sentence. The role RSS has is a dirty but important job. Its not surprising that it's been blamed in 'leftist' or secular media. And sophisticated, educated and "secular" people like us hesitate to deal with dirty job.

BTW Mukesh, keeping in mind your age I'm giving you allowance for immaturity. Sudarshanji is unmarried and is of your grandfather's age. You should think before making any stupid remarks about a respectable person. He devoted his life for the cause he believes in.

Mukesh: "If we (Hindu) have not been able to bring Muslim together in building the Nation prosperous than I think it is our fault... "
That's typical example of STOCKHOLM SYNDROME. You have really great heart that you learned to care about your muslim brothers. You know how much preference they are given in name of minority? Reservation in AP is latest example. I won't say more on that.

-Vinod

Yeh Sudarshan ke kitne bache hai??? .... I think 10-12 to honge hi koi batayega....

Agar Sudarshan Maharaj, unko kilane pilane ki guarantee de to is baat par soch sakte hai … Nahi to kal ko bhooke marte wo hamara hi sar fodenge ...
Haa to Sudarshan ji kya kehna hai apka..... I am waiting for ur reply..???

Navin you are absolutely right.. Now Indian govt. must think seriously to implement UNIFORM CIVIL CODE. All parties must specially Congress and BJP join their hand together to bring it. Muslim alone can’t be blamed for the slow progress of our Nation. If we (Hindu) have not been able to bring Muslim together in building the Nation prosperous than I think it is our fault... There is going something wrong in our system which is not accepting Muslim easily to come up together to make India strong. We must need to think seriously on this issue; meanwhile we must need to reject such silly appeal because it may confuse the innocent public.

 

[raj2rif]

Wrong Way to Tackle the Problem

Increasing population is that of the nation whether of Hindus or Muslims is a very dangerous suggestion. Instead of asking Hindus to increase their population, he should ask Muslims to follow the family planning norms and national view of having maximum of two children. Mr. Sudarshan can't do it, because he does not see, Muslims to be part of this Nation, as has been the case of most of the people in RSS.

While it is essential to maintain the demographic equilibrium, asking a particular community to increase their population to achieve this is just a shortsightedness. This is just to achieve cheap popularity in the garb of Nationalism. Because these leaders are short of ideas to do some thing good for the nation, they resort to such ideas. It is not only the Muslims; it is also some sections of our Hindu society that has as much as 7 to 8 children per couple. See the constituency of Ms. Mayawati.

The question here is how to ensure that the population is controlled in each section of the society, firstly to maintain the demographic equilibrium and secondly to reduce it to the level where our natural resources can easily support it. One of the way is to ensure that no one who has more than two children is kept in the government jobs, be it Hindu, or Muslim, upper caste or SC/ST or for that matter any category. The rule should be universal for central jobs as well as state government jobs, with no discussions or debate on the issue. This will also help get rid of the politicians who win elections of such issues. The private sector should also be encouraged to give preference to the people who have just two or less children, as far as jobs and promotions are concerned.

Population is a big problem for the country and needs some very strong measures, however unpopular they may be. While politicians can’t pursue this cause, as they might run the risk of their political career, may be it is time for Supreme Court to take charge through a Presidential Ordinance. Some how we need to make some provision in the constitution that would permit Supreme Court to take unilateral actions on issues of such nature.