Narender, is it yours? found in Indiaforum... looks like your;-))))
How is "caste and tribes of northwest India" by Rose?... have you read it?
As per "stand"... its not deabte of opinions that we have take a stand... we all come across facts and we try to make sense out of them... no one can claim to be more true than others but can only provide proofs... I have made my position as clear as I could... you haven't replied what do yo think of Talageri's book and Dr K presentation?
-vinod
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1255
"True
Jats are the original inhabitants of this land and their presence in other countries is due to their west ward migration that might have happened long long ago.
Reason being If we see right from Indus valley civilization we find no reason to believe the influx of such a huge population that become almost single major group of north west India.
There is no breakage line observed in craniometric analysis during the supposed influx of these supposedly shakas.
The material culture of indus valley is just the culture of even modern day jats of nortwest.
The skeltel analysis shows that these indus valley people were just similar to present day people a majority of which is again jats.
The shell ornaments bullock carts and animals as water buffalow are the same and are assosiated with jats mainly.
It seems most probable that the indus script changed to telgu and kannar towards south and they (jats) spoke parakrit language with a definite dravidian base.
Again I would like to know how one get the idea that saka were related to jats .The term sythian was used in the same sence as maratha or punjabi and denoted many groups of course jats too were termed sythian by greeks as evident from the use of this term for jats of indus area in Periplus of E sea as well as jats or jatae of jaxartes area by Herodotus.
If we see the recent genetic findings under Polarity and temporality of Y-chrmosomal distribution identifying both endogenous and exogenous .E..
Than it clearly disapproves Austro asiatic theory of michael witzel for people of indus valey civilization.
It disapproves dravidian theory of Asko Parpola and Mahadevan by placing their origin in deep paninsula.
Than who others could be the inhabitants of this civilization except north Indians living today and groups as jats bania and other casts excuding certain groups as gujjar huns meds and other with a clear record of arrival from outside India.
With various genetic studies giving vedic groups a pamir origin and conferming IE genes although very small, who could be the inhabitants of Indus Civilization except jats and other north indian groups as bania sc bc and others.
Now another important point why jats seek their ancestory in sythian or sakas.
This is due to a basic fault in accessing Indian history via some foreign historians as cunnigham todd and others who after finding their mention in central asian records could never think that these jats could have moved from India as they belived this most fertile land to be left to aryans who were to come and start the history of India.
Again a deliberate skipping of their history by leftists (due to resistance offered to muslims) and Indian Historians (why God knows)had made them to disbelive and have a short of apathy for its writers.
Just think while muslims write their history right from muhammad times Indians history writers could think of Surjmal.What about jat sikh kings,what about jat rulers of sindh before chach what about Indo parthians who always called them jats,what about maurya kings ,while the guy like raja Nahar singh who captured delhi for Bahadur saha was never mentioned pages were written on other players of lesser contribution.jats who fought ghori ,attacked ghazani when he was returning from raids on somanath never find a mention, what one find is they were robbers of highways,story is endeless but in nutshell they doubt history as taught in indian books and are searching their past from other sources.It wil take some time to know them that they were Indian always and more Indian than many so called ancient kshtriya a fake term.
Please see this and ponder a little about unjustice to jat history.
Indian and many international scientist are burning midnight oil over who were the inhabitants of Indus valley Civilization,after many theories they made a great discovery of a language bruhei with a dravidian base still spoken in pakistani and belochistani areas adjecent to indus valley civilization and concluded that its inhabitants were dravidians ,every body wondered why they did not ask who were these bruhies to pinpoint who exactly were these indus valley people but they never did till today I too belived that there might not be any data about these bruhie people till one day when I read this book on the cast and tribe of north west india where Rose the british historian says these numbruhei people inhabiting laki mountanis are jats of johya and other clans.
When we Indians will give them their right place in history. "
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