What is the origin of Jat Language.

mere remnants of the oldest and truly mightiest people upon the earth (had ever seen) still dwell in the area from Indus to ganges, named as Jats/gots. who made the world civilised not only in physical but social/philosophical/theological/religious sciences also.
 
i feel that boundaries of india were not the same as today we see. It must have exceeded in north south west and east. thats why the word is Indo-european. n not indo-central asian-south asian-west/east asian-european. mahabharta must have occurred in greater India. Krishna must have been same in other countries also like in india. Do you have krishna word in dacian language? search other names also I'm sure u'll find them in your language or nearby. And truly I feel not only Krishna but almost all names of Mahabharata heroes/villains n all goths of Jats are not limited to India alone. They truly do not have full meaning in hindi/sanskrit etc. many of them like gujjars were sanskritised as gurjars as late as 6-7 century AD.

today there is a news in hindustan times news paper in India "A 2200 year old miniature golden chariot considered to be a part of an ancient diadem has been unearthed in a Thracian burial mound in Bulgaria's Black Sea coast"
 
Last edited:
Is this subject somewere ?
If by aryan you understend indo-european(that wiki language family) and if schytians are IE speakers them self then schytians are a branche of IE.
The problem is more complicated.The dates are not enaf.
We have very few words from schytian language.From this experts conclude that schytians spoke an iranian language or even sanscrite(an least some tribes).So i belive that schytians are a branche of aryans(IE more exactly).Is like you ask ,are we new-yorkers or americans?<!-- / message -->
 
<TABLE class=tborder id=post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 id=td_post_ style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ffffff 1px solid">Or do you mean ,when we jats enter in India?
1-as aryans in 1500BC?
2-as schytians in 200BC?
3-We was allwais here (an least from paleolithic)?
4-are we real jats ,or just take this name from some invaders that call them selfs jats?

<!-- / message --></TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ffffff 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #ffffff 0px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ffffff 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ffffff 1px solid">
user_online.gif
</TD><TD class=alt1 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ffffff 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #ffffff 0px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ffffff 0px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ffffff 1px solid" align=right><!-- controls --></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
smeker said:
<TABLE class=tborder id=post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 id=td_post_ style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ffffff 1px solid">Or do you mean ,when we jats enter in India?
1-as aryans in 1500BC?
2-as schytians in 200BC?
3-We was allwais here (an least from paleolithic)?
4-are we real jats ,or just take this name from some invaders that call them selfs jats?

<!-- / message -->
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ffffff 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #ffffff 0px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ffffff 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ffffff 1px solid">
user_online.gif
</TD><TD class=alt1 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ffffff 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #ffffff 0px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ffffff 0px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ffffff 1px solid" align=right><!-- controls --></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Click to expand...

mind your words, Soka, Jat never takes/borrows this Got from anywhere.
 
nknauhwar said:
mind your words, Soka, Jat never takes/borrows this Got from anywhere.
Click to expand...
.
Im not historian but,
Do you tell to an engginier or biologist doctor how to do his job? No?
Then how do you contradict an historian who study all his life this problems? Is history a lesser science?
The generations of historians simply waste their time.They get it all wrong.?
Is very true that ideologies,like nationalism,imperialism etc may darken the minds of some historians.Many theories can not be fully prooven because of insuficient data.
And how an linguist say to me:"more etimologies for an word mean no etimology at all".
Are 2500 arheologic sites in Indus culture,which 75% are on Sarasvati(?) valley.This civilisation is show as being peacefull ,then who are thoose from Mahabharata and Ramayana who fight wars there?
May people from Sarasvati was in conflict whit thoose from Indus(the people whit 100 cities)?

If the drying up of river Sarasvati was the cause for disparition of harapan settelments,then why the setelments from Indus valley also disapierd even the river Indus didnt dry up (as sarasvati did).
 
Last edited:
smeker said:
.
Im not historian but,
Do you tell to an engginier or biologist doctor how to do his job? No?
Then how do you contradict an historian who study all his life this problems? Is history a lesser science?
The generations of historians simply waste their time.They get it all wrong.?
Is very true that ideologies,like nationalism,imperialism etc may darken the minds of some historians.Many theories can not be fully prooven because of insuficient data.
And how an linguist say to me:"more etimologies for an word mean no etimology at all".
Are 2500 arheologic sites in Indus culture,which 75% are on Sarasvati(?) valley.This civilisation is show as being peacefull ,then who are thoose from Mahabharata and Ramayana who fight wars there?
May people from Sarasvati was in conflict whit thoose from Indus(the people whit 100 cities)?

If the drying up of river Sarasvati was the cause for disparition of harapan settelments,then why the setelments from Indus valley also disapierd even the river Indus didnt dry up (as sarasvati did).
Click to expand...

where is the evidence of wars of Ramayna/Mahabharta/Indus valley?
 
where is the proof that Jat/Aryan invaded India? However, I can depict many proofs which are other way round.
 
We, Jats were the architects of Roman Civilization also. I feel it was our creation.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
smeker said:
Ramayana it self is an evidence for wars.Ramayana depict wars.
How do you explain the high levels of radioactivity in the bodies found in Indus valley? Nuclear explison?
Click to expand...

By evidence of war, I mean archeological evidence and material remains. No large scale human bodies/skulls are found in Indus Valley, and absolutely nowhere out of so many sites. No people on such a large area which is almost equal to half of Europe could be overpowered overnight so silently by magic.

Whatever peaceful Indus people were but no country/people welcomes foreigners in a way that ok you please stay here and we are leaving this land peacefully and moving further ahead in India.

There is only one explanation to it that there was no Aryan invasion in Indus valley. Like Budhism arose in India and spread all over the world similar way Jat arose in Indus valley and spread in India, Asia and Europe.

Like Jat/Got/Getae etc. word is found all over Asia and Europe more than the Aryan word, similarli Jat/Jati(caste)/Got(gotra) word is found all over India till today much more than the Aryan word. Even in Indus valley area where we talk of Aryan invasion, there also its Jat and Jat only since antiquity, till today and no Aryan word is prevalent.

These theories somtimes look funny. That suddenly some Aryan invades such a vast land and suddenly again disappears in a blue leaving Jats here.

However, I do not totally disregard your theory. But arguments are heavy on other side also.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
sktewatia said:
By evidence of war.
and Jat only since antiquity, till today and no Aryan word is prevalent.

These theories somtimes look funny. That suddenly some Aryan invades such a vast land and suddenly again disappears in a blue leaving Jats here.

However, I do not totally disregard your theory. But arguments are heavy on other side also.
Click to expand...
I didnt claim that.Is not my theory.I didnt suport any aryan invasion theory.
 
smeker said:
I didnt claim that.Is not my theory.I didnt suport any aryan invasion theory.
Click to expand...

Soka

Its not that Jat invaded other people. The fact is other way round. Its other people only right since Aryan, Cyrus, Alexander, Timur, British etc. who invaded Jats in India.

However, there are no traces of these invaders here but Jats still hold their name in their land....just like Budhism does all over world. Like in your land Romania also.
 
And from someone who has done lots of work on analysing origin of Indian languages..

"I have compiled over 250,000 such words in a semantic clustering at
http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/html/indlexmain.htm It is called
Indian lexicon."

Click on any word http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/Indian Lexicon/00000semcluster1.htm and see its cognate in various Indian langauges...

As we know some words used in rural area in Haryana and north India in general don't have any cognate in IE language... but these words retained themselves thru prakrit languages, its also important to study them to fully understand Haryanavi language...


-vinod
 
Last edited:
Interesting !

Tewatia sir, Burdak Ji, Vinod, Soka Norman,

I found an interesting link and need your inputs here !

This links says that the Dhillon Jats are called the descendants of King Karna, the eldest son of Kunti, mother of Pandavas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhillon

What say ?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top