What was haryanvi language called in past ?

fatehsingh said:
and that area is known as JAT BELT AND HARYANVI LANGUAGE IS SYNONYMS TO JATS
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Bhai, Do you know that this area and the population of this BELT is less than any one of the district of Rajasthan ..... where more than 15 districts are dominated by Jat's ( by population ) .... and they don't speak Haryanvi Language.

Still you want to say that haryanvi Language is Synonym to Jats ? :)
 
rkumar said:
Point well taken as far as scripts are concerned. However, I can't think of even single book of any historical significance ever written in so called Hqaryanvi or Deshwali language. We often claim that Vedas, Purans, Geeta etc all were written on the land of Haryana. How come none of these books or any other afterwards find any mention of Haryanvi/ Deshwali ? Any Pandu lipi books ever written in Haryanvi??

RK^2
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RK ji

What you mean by language ???

Same question is put to other members who say Haryanvi is not a language.

If someone says that it is a boli of Hindi than he simply does not know that there was no Hindi just few centuries earlier but languages Brij ,Deswali,Bagari were even than spoken by same people.

Sanskrit was never used as a language of communication than How can it be considered a language ?

Now take case of Script, Devanagari itself came out of Sarda which came out of Gupta than Brahmi etc....etc..This is a continuous process.


Lastly came question of some written material as we know a lot was destroyed in Muslim invasion and later this invasion lead to development of Hindi and Urdu ,but we have still a lot written in Brij ,Marwari and other Languages /dialects of this earlier Haryana Desh .

Finally as per a common Haryanvi villager Dada Lakhmi wrote on virtually every thing that exist in this world .:)
 
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jat222in said:
I think Haryanvi is not a language. It is a BOLI. The script is same as of HINDI is. "Devnagri". And it is written in devnagri. So there is a difference between language and boli. Further I would like to know more about the topic.
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How can an old language(haryanvi ) be a dialect of new language Hindi.

Top correct it can be said that Hindi is a dialect of Haryanvi that included Brij ,Bagari,Deswali and Khari Boli.
 
The word Hariana, occurs in a 1328 AD Sanskrit inscription kept in the Delhi Museum, which refers to the Haryana region as The heaven on earth.
 
narenderkharb said:
RK ji

What you mean by language ???

Same question is put to other members who say Haryanvi is not a language.

If someone says that it is a boli of Hindi than he simply does not know that there was no Hindi just few centuries earlier but languages Brij ,Deswali,Bagari were even than spoken by same people.

Sanskrit was never used as a language of communication than How can it be considered a language ?

Now take case of Script, Devanagari itself came out of Sarda which came out of Gupta than Brahmi etc....etc..This is a continuous process.


Lastly came question of some written material as we know a lot was destroyed in Muslim invasion and later this invasion lead to development of Hindi and Urdu ,but we have still a lot written in Brij ,Marwari and other Languages /dialects of this earlier Haryana Desh .

Finally as per a common Haryanvi villager Dada Lakhmi wrote on virtually every thing that exist in this world .:)
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Nice informative reply bhai saab!!!
 
Well personally speaking "Haryanvi" has a influence beyond haryana also.....western UP,Delhi,suprsingly belts of Himachal(infact typical pahari language has an accent remerkably similar to haryanvi)...plus the BHRAJ bhasha also is similar to haryanvi with minor changes,major part being accent......n also that Punjabi also has many things common with HARYANVI!

so the debate sholud be of a GREATER HARYANVI language and we will see influences with rajasthani language also(This one's for my Rajasthani bhai's :) )!
 
I think people are drawing the fine line between the states again here ... irrespective of talking about the community as a whole ....... i just mentioned about the population and the dilect they speak only and the wise people are taking that as a statism ...... i am not into it.

Few years back i was studying in KUK as a student of M. Sc. ( Chemistry ) and one of my friend was from Himachal. He used to speak a language which was almost similar to Haryanvi ( except some minor changes in accent ) ..... We may felt nice that OUR dilect is wide spread ...... One day he told me that 'your' Haryanvi dilect seems closer to "our boli' and it seems that your haryanvi boli is influenced from our boli ......... What say ?

Did they adopted 'ours' or we adopted 'theirs' ..... who will decide that ?
 
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lrburdak said:
The word Hariana, occurs in a 1328 AD Sanskrit inscription kept in the Delhi Museum, which refers to the Haryana region as The heaven on earth.
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True Laxman ji ,

I think you are mentioning the sarvala sanskrit inscription in the reign of Muhammad bin Tughalak .

Before that Palam Sanskrit Inscription of 1276 also mention Haryana Desh.

Earlier a Khandit Parsasti in Ajmer Museum mention same Haryana country as Arnoraj captured same Haryana not any other country .

and earliest we find Sridhar book in appox 1050 Ad .Over a period of time this region has again and agin been refered as Desh Haryana

But its capital had recorded refernce even earlier..


Since we know Delhi was not founded by Anangpal in appox Eight century it was repopulated .

Original Delhi was founded King Dellu who ruled somewhere near Alexander times and was the source for famous saying Delhi Dillu Jat ki ...

Founding of Dehli by King Dehlu is well attested by Fariesta in his Book History of Muhammadan conquest of India .
 
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narenderkharb said:
True Laxman ji ,

I think you are mentioning the sarvala sanskrit inscription in the reign of Muhammad bin Tughalak .

Before that Palam Sanskrit Inscription of 1276 also mention haryana Desh.

Earlier a Khandit Parsasti in Ajmer Museum mention same Haryana country as Arnoraj captured same Haryana not any other country .

and earliest we find Aridhar in app ox 1050 Ad .

But region existed even before that as Delhi is recorded country of this very own Haryana Desh.


And as we know Delhi was not founded by Anangpal in appox Eight century it was repopulated .

Original Delhi was founded King Dehu who lived in second or third century BC. and was the source for famous saying Delhu Dillu Jat ki ...

Founding of Dehli by King Dehlu is well attested by Fariesta in his Book History of Muhammadan conquest of India .
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vo jo dhol dhamake ka role hota hai is sangeet me. vahi is duniyan ke sangeet me haryanvi language ka role hota hai. jitne marzi koi sazz bajjen, per ye jo saaszz hai jat ka, aur ye jo aawaazz hai jatt ki kadde kitti dekhe nne mille.
 
saaszi chaturang chadhi, vir rung me turang chadhi, sarza sivaji jung jeetan chalat hain,

bhushan bhanat naadd brihad nagaran ke nadi nad mad gabran ke rallat hain..:)
 
udde nne kadi koi maharashtra me balhara naam ka jatt hoya karta. arabians attested his presence over there.
 
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ye szjass (jats), saastz or aawaazz, unhin logon ki hai. sakas were the most just people upon earth, similar were gutasya putras of ujjaini.. where from passes kark or makar rekha in ujjain..:)
 
Yes I agree with Narender Bhai. Western UP is eastward migration of Jats/Aryans. Lower western UP is migration from lower Haryana (Faridabad etc) and eastern Rajasthan. Like from Bharatpur district etc. and its languages are also similar to Braj. Upper western UP is from upper Haryana, Rohtak etc. Khadi Boli is also similar to Haryanvi in its hardness and bit rudeness. Exactly speaking Khadiboli of Meerut etc. is mixture of Haryanvi and Braj.

Similarly Multani is mixture of Haryanvi and Punjabi.

In mass migrations where shifting of major populations took place it was always from West to East. Rainfall keeps increasing from west to east becoming maximum in Chirapunji. From about 25cm rainfall in Punjab, 37cm rainfall in western UP, about 60 cm in Central UP, even more in Bihar and North East. Upto western UP Jat migrated in Copper/bronze age. Mahabharta is a story of Jats in Bronze age where no iron is mentioned. After advent of Iron around 2800 years back, Jat was able to clear the thick forests of Central/Eastern UP and Bihar (due to heavy rainfall) for agriculture. Thats why we find sudden rise of Mahjanapadas around 600BC. who due more rain and more surplus food were able to sustain huge armies whom Allexander feared.

There was conflict of Jats with the aboriginal tribes of these regions while clearing forest who did not like the entry and the agriculture change that this Jat was bringing by burning the forests by Mahayagnas. Story of Ramayna is the story of Jats during this period due to the above reasons. We find even great kings like Maharaja Janak practicing agriculture and Sita is born from earth and plough.......

Suddenly we find rise against brahminsm in east by various sects originated by kshatriya kings like Budhism, Jainism. It is due to natural traditional conflict of Jats with brahmins which continues till today. Suddenly Ajatshatru, More (mauryas), Nanda (Nandal) kings are seen in Bihar. As if a vast majority of Haryanvi Jats migrated to Bihar region.

Those Jats still continue in all these lands in form of various Jats/Zats/Jatis/Castes.....
 
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