Who is communal ???

[cooljat]

Ya True !!

I wonder how can someone justify Modi's brutal act?! .. Guj Riot was a well planned genocide. How can someone treat him as Hero same applies for Sajjan Kumar, Thats Rubbish !!

Killing innocent ppl be it Muslim or Hindu, Sikh or Christians is heinous n cowardice act and it has been practicing here in India now and then and moreover it is disheartening to see it is being justified as well. Thumbs down !!

Comparing two worse things and justifying one is highly unacceptable. You ppl are advocating BJP, tell me what this party has done for betterment of our country. They are equally communal rather more than Congress. Haven't you noted what they have done with Christians recently?? RSS, Bajrang Dal are nothing but Terrorist Groups.

Why don't you ppl understand, India is not a religious country and don't belong to Hindus only. It is a secular country where you'll find every kind of ppl belongs to diffrent cast, creed, colors like Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians, Buddhism. And mind you they all have been living here for hundreds of years and this country is equally theirs as to our.

So instead of burying the gap between different religions and promoting living in peace, harmony and love ... you ppl are adding fuel to communal fire and spreading hatred.

Thats a Shame !!

Manmohan singh is a much better man.
On this forum we have admirers of people like Narendra Modi, Sajjan Kumar etc.
Obviously it was my good luck that I was not a innocent muslim victim in modi's state or was not an innocent sikh child victim when those things supposedly happened. Otherwise I would have been done. Probably butchered by rampaging mobs in Modi's gujarat or burned alive by mobs in Delhi riots. And then afterwards there would have been endless and useless commissions doling out bogus reports absolving everyone!
Thank God for making me a hindu in secular India! I feel very lucky!

 

[skarmveer]

Congress to Hamesha say hee comunal rahi hai aaj kee koi nai baat hai kaya.

Congress ney hamesha hee angrejoo waali neeti aapnai hai, Samaj ko hamesha vibhajit kerkay rakha hai. Pahley desh key tukdey kiyea fir samaaj key tukdey kiyea or fir hinduo ko bhee jaatiyeo mein baantney waali congrees hee hai.

Congress ager itnee hee achchhe or imaandaar party hai to lagbhag sarey desh mein aatankwaad keu hai, Kashmir say leker North-east tak kaunsa easa rajay hai jo kese na kesee tarah aatankwaad say nahee jujh raha or Bihar, MP, WB,Andhera, Tamilnadu or Maharstra Naxali hinsa key sikar hey kaun jimmeywaar hai iska ?

Aaj Manmohan Singh kehtey hai kee muslimo ko unka adhikaar nahi mila to kisney nahi diya unka adhikar 62 saal mein say 54 saal to congrees ka hee shasan raha hai.

Abhee bhee congrees ka pet nahi bhara muslimo ko unkee jansnkhya key anupaat mein Pakistaan dene key baad bhee, jitney aajade key samai they us-say kanhee jayada hai is desh mein or jameen bant bhee gai. Aaj bhee Bangladeshi rojana yahan aa rahey hai or congress unhey rashan card or voter card deker yahan ijjat say rakh rahee hai keu ?

Or jahan tak Manomohan Singh kee baat hai to wo to bina reedh ka insaan hai or nahi to kripya batai kee usney easa kaunsa kaam kiya hai jismey desh ko uskee Budhi or Gayan ka laabh mila ho.

 

[amans]

Clap clap. good number of people looking very much unlike the aryans are clapping for hitler. The faithful followers of hitler at jatland I salute you guys. I do not agree with you. I am a secular moderate person etc etc. I think hitler was a evil monster. I am too a member of jatland.
But as a courtsey to a fellow jatlander I beg you to not put me in the concentration camp along with the races you despise the jews, the russians, the gypsies and the rest. One follower even has a baby in his lap! Hope you have some pity for all the babies nazis burned in ovens. Wow these jatlanders I did not know you had so much nazi in you. Again, I salute you Sirs. Hope you get the honorary nazi title in your hitlers army. But the best job you would get under your hitler would be digging ditches. Good luck.

 

[sidchhikara]

Jo History aapne padhi wo kisne likhi? Yes my friend little knowledge is dangerous thing apply it to yourself also
Wo hota to ye karta all blank like your head. Jo hua nahi uske kayas laga do. aaj keh de Saddam zinda hota to biological weapons se naas kar deta.
Hitler ko log utna hi jante hain jitna likha hai. Aisa usne kya likha apni kitab mein ki janta uski bhagat ho gayee. uske desh ke log uske liye marne mitne ko tayyar ho gaye.

Dude first off calm the hell down !! ... have you seen the manifesto of the Third Reich ... have you seen those grainy videos from the 30's and 40's?

Go on youtube and look at some evidence before mouthing off inanities. If you were in Germany in the 40's, Nazi stormtroopers would've chased you down and shot you before they shot a Jew because many Jews were skilled/ talented .. in your case not so much. You would've said something stupid ... like the stuff you write here and that would've been it ...
For any future unsolicitated retorts from you - apna kaam kar err pare ne marr !

Here's a video of one of many concentration camps where Jews were tortured..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-Fx8HbMxc&feature=related

 

[skarmveer]

Agar isse tarah Muslim tustikarn chalta raha to Hindu kab tak saheyga ?

Modi ney keu easa kiya ? iskee kaya aavshkta thee ? Jitna sab ney modi ko bura bhala kaha utna 53 saal key congress key shashan mein hua dango ka agar virodh hota to iskee naubat nahi aati. (Congrees key karyakaal mein anginat dangey hua they). Agar is desh mein isee tarah dharm parivartan or muslim tustikarn chalta raha to eak din Gujrat say kai hajar guna bada narsanhaar hoga fir keseey jimmewaar thahraogey.

Ya True !!

I wonder how can someone justify Modi's brutal act?! .. Guj Riot was a well planned genocide. How can someone treat him as Hero same applies for Sajjan Kumar, Thats Rubbish !!

Killing innocent ppl be it Muslim or Hindu, Sikh or Christians is heinous n cowardice act and it has been practicing here in India now and then and moreover it is disheartening to see it is being justified as well. Thumbs down !!

Comparing two worse things and justifying one is highly unacceptable. You ppl are advocating BJP, tell me what this party has done for betterment of our country. They are equally communal rather more than Congress. Haven't you noted what they have done with Christians recently?? RSS, Bajrang Dal are nothing but Terrorist Groups.

Why don't you ppl understand, India is not a religious country and don't belong to Hindu's only. It is a secular country where you'll find every kind of ppl belongs to diffrent cast, creed, colors like Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians, Buddhism. And mind you they all have been living here for hundreds of years and this country is equally theirs as to our.

So instead of burying the gap between different religions and promoting living in peace, harmony and love ... you ppl are adding fuel to communal fire and spreading hatred.

Thats a Shame !!

 

[brahmtewatia]

"when whales fight, shrimps are eaten"... look at the calm tht prevailed after godhra incidence.

we cannot do much abt these pseudo(sadu)-secularists nd the sadu government feeding them. if they don't listen... my above quote will HOLD GOOD, every now nd then and time and AGAIN.

its high time that india shud be declared a 'HINDU' nation... enuff of this sick-ularism. if not satisfied... read my posts
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http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=181000&postcount=52
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=181001&postcount=53
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=181002&postcount=54
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182181&postcount=69

also read my other posts on the thread nd dont forget to read this one
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[dndeswal]

• No need to blindly take the sides of Hitler. Similarly, no need to blindly follow Western (rather Jewish) notions about him. Talk to a German citizen and seek his views.

• Whatever bad deeds might have been done by Hitler, India remained unaffected from those. Rather, he proved to be a blessing in disguise for India. Though Hitler was defeated, the WW-II started by him crushed the backbone of British empire and India got freedom soon thereafter.

• India's freedom was the direct result of WW-II and the acts of a handful of Indian youth like Subhash Chander Bose. Don't be in a utopia that Gandhi's charkha-operating theory paved the way for India's freedom.

• Why Subhash Chander Bose had a hand-sake with Hitler? Simple theory - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

• Britishers left India but their illegitimate sons remained behind, who are still the ruling class. They did not allow Bose's name to appear in history textbooks taught in Indian schools.

• Why common illiterate Jats in villages don't have that type of hatred against Hitler ? Because they are not reading the history books written by Whites (or Jews). Secondly, though SC Bose was a Bengali, 90% of his soldiers in the INA were from Jatland areas (including Punjab). Illiterate Taus in villages know this secret, our hi-tech brothers sitting in the US are ignorant.

• After WW-II, in 1948, Churchill and his followers created an artificial "Homeland for Jews from all over World where they can live peacefully". This place is now called "Israel". The result is before the world - continuous bloodshed on that "Land of Peace" ! Has Hitler taken birth again to punish the Jews in Israel ?

• Sitting in US, criticize Narendra Modi for nothing – none will stop you. Though Bush is not in power now, criticize him now through the media, about his policy of slaughtering innocent citizens of Iraq. Then see what happens – Obama will repatriate some “bad guys from India”.

No offence please. Ameen !

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[vijay]

• India's freedom was the direct result of WW-II and the acts of a handful of Indian youth like Subhash Chander Bose. Don't be in a utopia that Gandhi's charkha-operating theory paved the way for India's freedom.

• Britishers left India but their illegitimate sons remained behind, who are still the ruling class. They did not allow Bose's name to appear in history textbooks taught in Indian schools.

I wonder how many people here know that Subhash Chandra Bose was declared as a war crminial by the US and British governments. After independence, India also declared SC Bose as a war criminal wanted Dead or Alive in India. Those warrants were pulled back by the First anti-Congress government during 1975-77.

 

[yudhvirmor]

Communal ting will stay in india till we get educated.. I understand that we have to move ahead from religious hatered. As a democracy, We have two ways to go ahead:

1. UK or EU way: Appease minorites. Dont work for thier welfare, let them kill people as its their relegious freedom.

2. American Way: Give them respect, Educate them and give them flavour of nationalism. They make them part of society and the live together and say Long Live America!!!

I found american way more relevant. Communal flavour will stay until and unless we bring Nationalism in picture..

We can stand as nation or can fall on the relegion lines...

 

[cooljat]

Second with your sane n sensible viewpoint here, bro.

We certainly gotta think ABOVE this communal crap for betterment of our Country and as far I believe EDUCATION is the only way !

Cheers to you ..

Communal hting will stay in india till we get educated.. I understand that we have to move ahead from religious hatered. As a democracy, We have two ways to go ahead:

1. UK or EU way: Appease minorites. Dont work for thier welfare, let them kill people as its their relegious freedom.

2. American Way: Give them respect, Educate them and give them flavour of nationalism. They make them part of society and the live together and say Long Live America!!!

I found american way more relevant. Communal flavour will stay until and unless we bring Nationalism in picture..

We can stand as nation or can fall on the relegion lines...

 

[skadian123]

Why do we need to have the MINORITY and MAJORTIY tags which have so beautifully been used by the successive Congress governments at the centre when all citizens are equal and granted equal rights and liberties by the constitution.

If congress is not communal, why is it giving 5% reservation to MUSLIMS as part of its manifesto?? It's playing a very clever gimmick of highlighting this part of its manifesto only to the minorities while to the rest it's playing the so-called development card. It's playing the same development card with which the BJP burnt its fingers during the run-up to the 2004 elections.

Write-ups against Minority appeasement do not appear here and elsewhere because of hatred of any kind against minorities but for the simple demand for equal treatment to all citizens in terms of rights and priviliges. No one is more special than the other - Each and every Indian citizen is special.

If we take educational backwardness to be the reason behind Islamic fanaticism, how can we explain the countless terrorist cases where well educated muslim Engineers, doctors and software professionals were the brains behind the dastardly acts? Even if education is not able to change a community's outlook, then nothing will including the special treatment awarded by the government. For a moment, even if we buy the argument that muslims are educationally backward, who is responsible for it? While hindus realised and sent their children to schools imparting modern education, no one stopped the muslims. It was their personal choice. In terms of governance, Congress has ruled this country for so long since independence, is it not then the Congress governments' fault to have failed on this aspect?

We need to come out of the text book examples of secularism, equality, brotherhood etc., and take a fresh look at the ground realities. Congress is portraying itself a champion of all the above terms, yet none of it exists in real since it started ruling India since Independence. We as a nation will have to pay a heavy price by overlooking the consequences of living in these text book examples. It would affect us all - the sooner we realise the better. All that is required is:

a) Abrogation of Article 370
b) Implementation of Uniform Civil Code
c) NO reservation on the basis of religion (Minority appeasement)
d) Revocation of ration cards and other official documents and
Deportation of Bangladeshis
e) Immediate hanging of Afzal Guru as per the Supreme Court order
f) Abolition of Haj subsidies when no similar facility is afforded to any other
community.
g) Check and control on foreign and internal funding of madrasas/Islamic
institutions.
h) Dealing firmly with the terrorists and their supporters with no liniency at all.

It is time that we address the above mentioned issues especially the ones pertaining to terrorism with an iron hand. Being goody-goody is good only till the time the nation and we exist. With the continuation of the present approach, the existence of the nation would very much be at stake especially so with the Taliban almost knocking at our doors. Let's not repeat history wherein India was invaded from its western frontiers over the centuries. However, the drawback this time would be that we already have a sizeable muslim population on this side of the border parts of which may act as sleeper cells and provide logistical support to the foreign mercenaries. A case in point is Azamgarh... (Breeding ground of terrorism)

 

[mukeshkumar007]

Reading these hatred and irrational replies make me fearful for a moment that where as a nation we will are heading towards? Will it be the same united India or we still have to see more partitions in future. Today you people are fighting on Hindu, Muslim and tomorrow you might be fighting on Jat, Baniya nd so on..
Where will you stop?
Sometime I used to wonder that why the hell there is a need of word like minority or majority in a secular structure but I got my answer after reading so many threads on Jatland and closely observing the way people used to think?
They show they are so concerned and true nationalist but I wonder.

 

[skadian123]

Well my dear friend Mukesh,

It seems there is some communication gap somewhere. Either you have not got the message behind this thread right or it has not been communicated properly.

In none of the replies posted on this thread the word hatred is used or implied. No one is talking of fighting with muslims. No one is talking of killing anyone. It's not very clear from where and how have you drawn these conclusions.

The message behind this thread which is very much clear is: the duplicity or double standards followed by our political MASTERS in dealing with citizens of different faiths/religions. No one has asked in any of the replies about any partition. In fact, by opposing minority appeasement and demanding uniform civil code, it is being pressed upon to have set of common/uniform laws/rules for all the citizens which would further bind the society rather than bifurcating it on religious lines by the pseudo-secularists like the Cogress party. Would like to know from you if any of the points mentioned below are unjustified or they reek of hatred (or malice):

a) Abrogation of Article 370
b) Implementation of Uniform Civil Code
c) NO reservation on the basis of religion (Minority appeasement)
d) Revocation of ration cards and other official documents and
Deportation of Bangladeshis
e) Immediate hanging of Afzal Guru as per the Supreme Court order
f) Abolition of Haj subsidies when no similar facility is afforded to any other community.
g) Check and control on foreign and internal funding of madrasas/Islamic
institutions.
h) Dealing firmly with the terrorists and their supporters with no liniency at all.

 

[anil_rathee]

Its about two parties not two persons

Manmohan singh is a much better man.
On this forum we have admirers of people like Narendra Modi, Sajjan Kumar etc.
Obviously it was my good luck that I was not a innocent muslim victim in modi's state or was not an innocent sikh child victim when those things supposedly happened. Otherwise I would have been done. Probably butchered by rampaging mobs in Modi's gujarat or burned alive by mobs in Delhi riots. And then afterwards there would have been endless and useless commissions doling out bogus reports absolving everyone!
Thank God for making me a hindu in secular India! I feel very lucky!

My friend , i think my question was clear and precise and it was abt the two parties of india based on the statments of thr leaders.

I too admire Manmohan singh as a person. I have never commented on him as a person. But in this statement the ideaology of his party reflects.

Anyway guys I think we all are going off-topic. Please come back and share ur views on these two statments..

 

[anil_rathee]

Anju ji,

Even I am not a political person. But I can't stop myself to respond on the things happeneng around, specially if it is of importance for INDIA.

thanks for your sincere comments
Anil

Anil,.

Based on the limited evidence in your post, there should not be any dilemma.
I am a great ADMIRER of Narendra Modi's modus operandi-Religion is sacred only to get to the vote banks.He provided an identity and sense of pride to a common man who otherwise never knew what it meant to be a Hindu till Modi's arrival on the political scene. He is a very progressive man with a vision into the future, without any narrow and confining retrospection, backed by an amazing ambition, and mullah of economic development.
On the flip side is Manmohan Singh,too caught up in his humanitarian mind set, cannot play the same game so well and fails miserably in developing this "rich (secular) country of poor (in hindutva) people" (Manmohan Singh's Quote about India san the inserts).
Mind you, I am apolitical.
Regards,
Anju

(PUN intended, very much)

 

[samarkadian]

My friend , i think my question was clear and precise and it was abt the two parties of india based on the statments of thr leaders.

I too admire Manmohan singh as a person. I have never commented on him as a person. But in this statement the ideaology of his party reflects.

Anyway guys I think we all are going off-topic. Please come back and share ur views on these two statments..

On Topic, then, let us reframe your question Anil.

What is communal?

This may give a thought to reflect precisely on who is communal and who is not.

My opinion, we all are communal or pro-communal in our nature, politicians deliberately know the point and keep on switching the knob with respect to situation as this time parliament elections are around.

Another qustion: Is being communal ( less or more) bad?

 

[poonamchaudhary]

Being communal becomes bad when we become oblivious to larger welfare of the nation, society, country as a whole. It is bad because it takes into account only welfare of a particular section of people mostly at the cost of larger welfare of nation/society. To some extent most people are communal and casteist. We tend to identify ourselves in a certain way and community, caste, religion give us an identity and a sense of belongingness. We tend to draw towards people of our own community, caste or religion. Whenever we interact with a group of people and we get to know that a certain person in that group is of our community we naturally get closer to that person. So I believe that this tendency is there in humans in different degrees. It is but natural being part of society. But the problem comes when this tendency is so pronounced that our obligations for society or country as a whole take a backseat. Then this word "communal" comes into picture. There are many glaring examples to show the extent of harm it can cause. Gujjar riots, shiv sena's antics are just the examples to show how communalism can divide the society and disrupt the functioning of country. It doesnt mean that we should not strive for welfare of our own community. We should but in the process we should not become blind to the interest of the nation itself. As far as politicians are concerned, they only incite the communal feelings to garner votes. Their interest lies in votes and power and cashing on communal sentiments is just a means to achieve that.

 

[gajender]

seculirism definition

Saying Jai Shri Ram means u are communal. and if u want to be secular then say Alla-Hu-Akbar.
If u are still called Communal then only way left to become secular is to join Congress.

 

[fateh]

It is well known fact that no political party is secular, no politician is secular, no organisation or hardly one can find an individual who is secular in real sense in India including defence forces. Indian society, political system, political parties, leadership, even individual thinking is totally effected by religionism, casteism, areaism, subcasteism, favouritism, goondaism & selfishness. The most important ism, The Nationalism is totally missing.

 

[deep123]

I gone through the statements of leaders of two prominent political parties of India. One who claims to be Secular and another who is blaimed to be communal.

Please see the statements below and decide who is communal and who is secular: -

Narender Modi - (communal party)
"When I introduce a new water supply scheme in Gujarat, I always think how many Gujarathis will derive benefit from this scheme. I never care about how many Hindus are going to get benefit or how many muslims will avail benefit or never do calculations like the ratio of quantity of water available to hindu to muslim."


PM Manmohan Singh - (secular party)
"Minorities have special rights on all resources available in this country - particularily muslim community. My Government will provide special care & attention to protect rights & interests of muslim community."


Now i am confused................
I am not able to decide "who is communal and who is secular"

Can somebody help me to come out of this dillema.......???

Hats off to you dear for writing such a eye opening lines. I can't understand how Congress consider themselves as a Secular party despite being the 84 Riots.